How the "locals" in Luton welcome home British soldiers

[Gingeletiss]

Let's see!!, what would a real Prime Minister do, something like this maybe.........said three weeks ago.

 

Whole world Needs A Leader Like This!

 

 

 

 

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

 

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

 

 

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

 

 

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

 

 

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

 

 

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

 

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

 

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

 

 

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

[Gingeletiss]

Try this for a few words of truth.....

 

I have been wondering about why Whites alone can be racists and no other race is.....

Proud to be White

Michael Richards makes his point..............

Michael Richards, better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld, makes a good point.

 

This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...

 

‘Someone finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'..... and that's OK.

 

But when I call you, ******, Kike, Towel head, Sand-******, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist.

 

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

 

You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day.

 

You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day.

 

You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.

 

You have the NAACP. You have BET... If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists.. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

 

If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.

 

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.

 

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.. Wonder who pays for that?

 

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.

 

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.

 

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US . Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.

 

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.

You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

 

You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

 

I am proud... But you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be racists?’

There is nothing improper about this e-mail. Let's see which of you are proud enough to send it on. I sadly don't think many will. That's why we have LOST most of OUR RIGHTS in this country. We won't stand up for ourselves!

BE PROUD TO BE WHITE!

 

It's not a crime YET... but getting very close!

[JohnnyFartPants]

Let's see!!, what would a real Prime Minister do, something like this maybe.........said three weeks ago.

 

Whole world Needs A Leader Like This!

 

 

 

 

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

 

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

 

 

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

 

 

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

 

 

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

 

 

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

 

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

 

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

 

 

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

 

This is ancient and he was got rid of shortly afterwards. It is actually a very good speech but it wasn't the point I was making. If you allow white "British" people to have a point of view you can't then take it away from others just because they are Muslims, black or whatever.

 

Agreeing with his comments in his speech is not the same as saying they have no rights to protest or that they should all **** off home, not in the slightest.

[Pancake]

Try this for a few words of truth.....

 

I have been wondering about why Whitesalone can be racists and no other race is.....Proud to be White

Michael Richards makes his point..............

Michael Richards, better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld, makes a good point.

 

This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points...

 

Load of old ball sacks as usual:

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp

[Pancake]

Let's see!!, what would a real Prime Minister do, something like this maybe.........said three weeks ago.

 

3 weeks ago? i was sure he left office in December 2007...

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/australia.asp

 

Oh yeah, more BS...

[JohnnyFartPants]

The only other thing I have against the great John Howard Speech is that it never happened (not three weeks ago or ever). It is a bastardisation of an American speech from many years before.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Even so.. Great speach

 

If it didn't happen, it wasn't spoken so not a speech. Unless a "speach" is something entirely different.

[saint francis]

Got any more little gems Gingeletiss? I'm sure Pancake and JFP will happily sit here and make you look like an arse all day.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Great text then f**k face

 

Manuscript?

[Scudamore]

Manuscript?

 

No. Very long SMS.

 

Not the St Mary's Stadium

[Draino76]

I have great respect for what the troops do for our country. I for one can understand what they go through, as I have played through Call of Duty 4 on the Playstation on veteran level and found it quite difficult.

[JohnnyFartPants]

No. Very long SMS.

 

I hope he has a good bundle package on his phone.

[JohnnyFartPants]

I have great respect for what the troops do for our country. I for one can understand what they go through, as I have played through Call of Duty 4 on the Playstation on veteran level and found it quite difficult.

 

That was beautiful.

[Scudamore]

I have great respect for what the troops do for our country. I for one can understand what they go through, as I have played through Call of Duty 4 on the Playstation on veteran level and found it quite difficult.

 

Where's the queues of people waiting to appplaud real heroes like Draino76 here?

 

That's the real problem with this country...

[GenevaSaint]

Oh the Irony of it all. They're voicing their opinions in a democracy where free speech is a right. The same thing we're trying to give them in Irag and Afghanistan.

 

P.S. I don't agree with what they say, but it's a right they have.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Exactly the same tbf

 

The troops use xbox controllers for UAV's in iraq.

 

No they don't.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Umm yes they do.

 

Umm, no they don't.

 

http://www.pyrosoft.co.uk/blog/2008/04/29/army-use-xbox-like-controller-to-fly-desert-hawk-3-uav/

 

I refer you to this bit, "The plane uses an XBOX-like controller, but it is not exactly the same."

[JohnnyFartPants]

It is based on an xbox controller as all the troops are used to this. It is basically the same but without Microsoft logo for obvious copyright reasons.

 

So they don't use xbox contollers then? Glad we cleared that up.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

From my point of view, being a Socialist, I am obviously 'anti' this war, HOWEVER, there is a time and a place for anti-war demonstration and at a 'welcome home' parade is not it!! I could not do the job that the Army does. Saying this however, the protesters should not be aiming their disagreement towards the servicemen and women directly but the MoD and government. Soldiers become mere working class pawns in all of this and the government should have been, long before now, held to account for the crimes that they have FORCED these servicemen and women to do!

[JohnnyFartPants]

You really are a complete tw*t

 

It's easier saying they use an "xbox controller" than "a controller which is the spitting image as an xbox controller but without the MS logo for copyright issues"

 

It's easier to call you a "human being" than a "dragged up nonce low life piece of scum with racist issues and an inflated opinion of himself caused mainly by his simplistic brain functions" but it doesn't mean the latter is not wholly more accurate.

[Franny's Tash]

I put Muslim fanatics on a par with the Catholic scum who are trying to wreck the peace process in Northern Ireland.

 

If them fenians are so bothered about being part of the Republic of Ireland, why don't they drive the 40 miles or so and go f*cking live there.

Interesting view of the 'peace' process

[Hamilton Saint]

Let's see!!, what would a real Prime Minister do, something like this maybe.........said three weeks ago.

 

Whole world Needs A Leader Like This!

 

 

 

 

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

 

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

 

 

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

 

 

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

 

 

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

 

 

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

 

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

 

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

 

 

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

 

 

I wonder what Australia's aboriginal people think of this view of their country's culture and history?

 

By the way, this "Christian" God that is spoken of above is the same God that the Muslims believe in - just a different name. Both religions are monotheistic; to speak philosophically, they just use different names for the same "ground of being".

[skintsaint]

If you want to protest, protest outside your local MP, houses of Parliament etc.

 

Dont blame the players, blame the game.

[StuRomseySaint]

Interesting view of the 'peace' process

 

After spending about a year of my life over there 'policing' them in the most 'Republican' area of Northern Ireland, 6 of the months leading up to the Good Friday agreement, I may have more 'extreme' views than most.

[.comsaint]

Would the majority of posters on this thread even have battered and eyelid if these anti-war protesters had been white?

 

Well...

 

If that had been a muslim march & a fair number of white demonstrator's had stood there with "Tube Station Murderers", "Baby Murderers" and "Dirty filthy Bombers" placards being waved all over the place - do you think many of the white protesters would be arrested? Bundled into police vans? Roughly treated?

 

I think we both know the answer to that...

[bridge too far]

I put Muslim fanatics on a par with the Catholic scum who are trying to wreck the peace process in Northern Ireland.

 

If them fenians are so bothered about being part of the Republic of Ireland, why don't they drive the 40 miles or so and go f*cking live there.

 

History not your strong point then?

[bridge too far]

After spending about a year of my life over there 'policing' them in the most 'Republican' area of Northern Ireland, 6 of the months leading up to the Good Friday agreement, I may have more 'extreme' views than most.

 

S0 - before you went over 'there' to police 'them', did your masters not tell you about the history that led to the troubles?

[JohnnyFartPants]

S0 - before you went over 'there' to police 'them', did your masters not tell you about the history that led to the troubles?

 

Is that at all relavent to having then come home from living in the situation and formulating an opinion based on first hand experience. You do advocate freedom of speech don't you?

[bridge too far]

Is that at all relavent to having then come home from living in the situation and formulating an opinion based on first hand experience. You do advocate freedom of speech don't you?

 

Absolutely - you know I do.

 

I just wondered how much factual information is given to serving troops before they are posted to various trouble spots.

 

You know - about what might, just might, have led to the problems in the first place.

[Jillyanne]

Christ Shane, you are on one today aren't you.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Absolutely - you know I do.

 

I just wondered how much factual information is given to serving troops before they are posted to various trouble spots.

 

You know - about what might, just might, have led to the problems in the first place.

 

When you say "first place" are you refering to Henry II in 1171 or the far more modern and considered terrorist actions of the IRA?

[Pancake]

Right, Ive seen a few complaints about this thread and some of the view expressed here.

 

As it stands Im not going to censor or delete anything but I do feel a simple reminder of the forum rules is needed:

Off-Topic

The Lounge - this forum is for general discussion of "off-topic" matters, but generally on a serious note.

The Muppet Show - this forum is for light-hearted chat and banter, and most of the usual forum rules don't apply here (within reason). Racist, homophobic and/or pornographic content is still strictly forbidden. Some other content may not be safe for work... such content should clearly be marked in the topic title as "NSFW" or "NWS".

 

• DO NOT post racist and/or sexist messages.
  

• Infractions: Implied racist remark - 4 points, expires after 6 months
  

 

With that in mind, can I request that whatever your views are on what certain people are going, there is no need to imply that cross sections of society are "scum" based on religious views, ethnicity or place of birth.

 

Play nice kids please.

Edited 11 March, 2009 by Pancake

[Scudamore]

This is the Lounge

Edited 11 March, 2009 by Pancake

[Jillyanne]

This is the Lounge though.

[JohnnyFartPants]

It doesn't matter what room we are in to be fair. Nobody should feel that they are perhaps nothing more than scum. Scum is a disgusting by product of dirt and excrement and it should be thought about very, very carefully before it is levied in anyone's direction, okay?

[Pancake]

This is the Lounge

 

This is the Lounge though.

 

Yeah, a C&P error, corrected now.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

S0 - before you went over 'there' to police 'them', did your masters not tell you about the history that led to the troubles?

 

Exactly, about how the British have raped and pillaged that nation for over 400 years.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Exactly, about how the British have raped and pillaged that nation for over 400 years.

 

400 you say?

[Scudamore]

Yeah, a C&P error, corrected now.

 

And why have you apparently editted my post? Although the content is as i remember it...

[Pancake]

And why have you apparently editted my post? Although the content is as i remember it...

 

I took out your quote that showed by error.

[Scudamore]

I took out your quote that showed by error.

 

There's no such thing as the perfect crime eh?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

400 you say?

 

You can easily trace this back all the way to Cromwell.

[JohnnyFartPants]

You can easily trace this back all the way to Cromwell.

 

Indeed. Having said that, you can with most coutries, only most are a bit more grown up about it. Why don't we pass the buck and blame the Romans?

[StuRomseySaint]

History not your strong point then?

 

Difference between me and you, correct me if I am wrong, is that I have been over there whereas you have read books.

 

I am fully aware of the origins of the word ' fenian ' , however that is the 'tag' labeled on Catholic people from Northern Ireland by Protestants.

 

Catholics label Protestant 'huns'

 

Then again, if you had done more than read a book, you would know that. :-)

Edited 11 March, 2009 by StuRomseySaint

[wheels]

These 'protestors' are only able to protest given the freedom of speech we enjoy in this country - a freedom that would not even exist were it not for our armed forces in the past.

 

Ironic isn't it!! :smt011

[StuRomseySaint]

S0 - before you went over 'there' to police 'them', did your masters not tell you about the history that led to the troubles?

 

I am fully aware of the politics and history behind it all.

 

What I do know, is that the vast majority of Republican people hated me when I was on patrol, would spit at me, petrol bombs, and in one instance shoot ( but miss, lol ) .

 

Whereas Protestant people would invite me into their house for a cup of tea, shake my hand and teh ladies would flash their boobies.

 

Excuse me for being a bit biased. :-)

[jeff leopard]

I've got to say that I'm really sickened and depressed by most of posts on this thread. When people start quoting an Australian prime minister (Australia's human rights record is utterly appalling) or a racist comedian (the only thing people should be saying more often is that Sinfield was rubbish) on ethical or racial issues, you just know we're phucked as a nation. The next generation won't just be sorting out our financial mess, but also having to deal with our moral bankruptcy.

 

I for one believe in the right to protest and free speech for all. I do not believe in this mentality of 'all our boys fighting abroad are heroes and its wrong to criticise them whilst the they're serving', that's the kind of blinkered mentality allowed the holocaust to happen. I appreciate troops do a $hitty job with 2nd rate equipment, and yes, having their noses rubbed in it on their return home is tough on them, but they freely chose to join the army in the first place and aren't they supposed to be tough lads? And its not like they've just returned home from destroying the death star or freeing the ewoks, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been deeply unpopular from the start, and have IMO made the world, and in particular this country, a much more dangerous place.

 

And for anyone "special" enough to think that the current situation (previously known as the war on terror) is about race, that this is somehow a war of civilisations, a conflict between the West and the East, then explain to me how the most fanatical, hard-line and oppressive Isamic nation on Eath is also the West's closest allie, money-lender and oil supplier, Saudi Arabia, the nation that gave us Osama Bin Laden and 7 of the 9/11 high-jackers.

 

As other posters have pointed out, this is only news because it can appease the knee-jerk racists out there. If they had been Pensioners Against the War would some of the posters on here fantasise about letting off a few rounds, sending a few tea-cosy-heads to meet their maker. Oh how hilarious it was when we started chanting, 'phuq off back to the 1940s' and 'Oi Granny, phuq off and make me a Victoria sponge'

 

And a special message to StuRomseySaint, I'm really worried about you dude, please go and see your GP as a matter of urgency, cos if Jade Goody has proved anything at all, it's that racists die of cancer

[Torres]

Actually, BTF has somehow raised an interesting question - what kind of education were squaddies given before being posted to NI?

[JohnnyFartPants]

Actually, BTF has somehow raised an interesting question - what kind of education were squaddies given before being posted to NI?

 

Something along the lines of, "And Stu, if those proddy birds show you their boobies they may want phucking, so use a condom, got it?"

[wheels]

I've got to say that I'm really sickened and depressed by most of posts on this thread. When people start quoting an Australian prime minister (Australia's human rights record is utterly appalling) or a racist comedian (the only thing people should be saying more often is that Sinfield was rubbish) on ethical or racial issues, you just know we're phucked as a nation. The next generation won't just be sorting out our financial mess, but also having to deal with our moral bankruptcy.

 

I for one believe in the right to protest and free speech for all. I do not believe in this mentality of 'all our boys fighting abroad are heroes and its wrong to criticise them whilst the they're serving', that's the kind of blinkered mentality allowed the holocaust to happen. I appreciate troops do a $hitty job with 2nd rate equipment, and yes, having their noses rubbed in it on their return home is tough on them, but they freely chose to join the army in the first place and aren't they supposed to be tough lads? And its not like they've just returned home from destroying the death star or freeing the ewoks, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have been deeply unpopular from the start, and have IMO made the world, and in particular this country, a much more dangerous place.

 

And for anyone "special" enough to think that the current situation (previously known as the war on terror) is about race, that this is somehow a war of civilisations, a conflict between the West and the East, then explain to me how the most fanatical, hard-line and oppressive Isamic nation on Eath is also the West's closest allie, money-lender and oil supplier, Saudi Arabia, the nation that gave us Osama Bin Laden and 7 of the 9/11 high-jackers.

 

As other posters have pointed out, this is only news because it can appease the knee-jerk racists out there. If they had been Pensioners Against the War would some of the posters on here fantasise about letting off a few rounds, sending a few tea-cosy-heads to meet their maker. Oh how hilarious it was when we started chanting, 'phuq off back to the 1940s' and 'Oi Granny, phuq off and make me a Victoria sponge'

 

And a special message to StuRomseySaint, I'm really worried about you dude, please go and see your GP as a matter of urgency, cos if Jade Goody has proved anything at all, it's that racists die of cancer

 

Having read your post, it's plain to see how much of a hypocrite you are!!

 

You spout off about moral bankruptcy, but then wish cancer upon someone.