The Run In: All the Games - All the Teams...

[hamster]

Well...

 

If Blackpool, Derby or Watford do get sucked back into the relegation mire - it will take me two minutes to update the table.

 

As it stands though; I can't see any of the 3 relegation places going to anyone except those teams that are shown in the table above.

 

To our advantage (hopefully) our players will be properly phsyched up for the run in. This break is perfect for us, fans and players alike, it's time to muster the troops and dig in. A win for us AND Forest next week should drag at least one other team into it, that team's fans and players will be ****ting themselves and we will have the advantage of already being in the correct mindset.

 

I can hope, cant I?

[hamster]

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Also, if we get the points against Charlton, we go to Watford with the sole purpose of dragging them into it again. They will be after a point imo and that is when you want to play teams at this stage as it really is **** or bust time.#

Still hoping here.

[Window Cleaner]

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Also, if we get the points against Charlton, we go to Watford with the sole purpose of dragging them into it again. They will be after a point imo and that is when you want to play teams at this stage as it really is **** or bust time.#

Still hoping here.

 

Also, if we thump (or merely beat) Charlton we could go to Watford having moved out of the bottom 3 for the first time in yonks, that would be a big mental boost.

[SNSUN]

If, which in this context is the biggest word in the world, IF we can pull out the results, then looking at the fixture list I think Barnsley (despite games in hand) and Norwich could go down.

 

In my mind we're down with Charlton, and viewing the season as a whole, we possibly deserve to be. Then it's one of four. I still think Blackpool could be in the mix come the end of the season, but ultimately Barnsley have the toughest run in, and they could also come down.

 

Still, while there's hope, there's a whole ton of praying to be done. Thinking we'll beat Charlton next week would be foolhardy - they'll be just as up for it as us. A win would certainly give us a pleasant boost though.

[sfc6mufc3]

Forest have now signed Blackstock until end of season

[saints_is_the_south]

To stay up we need to imo: beat Charlton & Palace & then get draws against Watford, Burnley & Forest.

[NickG]

Can't decide best result for us from Notts Forest's next game, Barnsley

[Window Cleaner]

Can't decide best result for us from Notts Forest's next game, Barnsley

 

Draw 1-1 or so,keeps them both in the scrap. The more there are the better chance we have of staying up.I think Forest will get a severe tonking though,Davies has gone mad on the loans front, signing more loan players than he can field and destabilising the team when it doesn't need to be .

[DT]

Draw 1-1 or so,keeps them both in the scrap. The more there are the better chance we have of staying up.I think Forest will get a severe tonking though,Davies has gone mad on the loans front, signing more loan players than he can field and destabilising the team when it doesn't need to be .

0-0 better as goals scored counts I think, all being equal on goal difference?

[.comsaint]

Updated Saturday 4th April following the day's results & our pizz-poor home defeat to Charlton.

 

Updated for those that still care that is...

Edited 4 April, 2009 by .comsaint

[SaintNeil90]

Looking at all the fixtures, i reckon 49 points would be enough to survive. That means saints need 3 wins or 2 wins 3 draws from last 6 games.

[um pahars]

My problem with yesterday is that it looks as though Plymouth are now out of it.

 

I know there are still six games left, but they are 6 points ahead of us, so even if they only win 1 of their last 5 games we would have to win three of ours just to pull level.

 

I think it's now 2 teams out 3 (Us, Norwich & Forest) and I don't like those odds!!!!!! Maybe Barnsley can be pulled back into it, but they have 5 points and a game in hand on us.

 

I've gone from being somewhat optimistic to rather pessimistic after yesterday.

[Whitey Grandad]

My problem with yesterday is that it looks as though Plymouth are now out of it.

 

I know there are still six games left, but they are 6 points ahead of us, so even if they only win 1 of their last 5 games we would have to win three of ours just to pull level.

 

I think it's now 2 teams out 3 (Us, Norwich & Forest) and I don't like those odds!!!!!! Maybe Barnsley can be pulled back into it, but they have 5 points and a game in hand on us.

 

I've gone from being somewhat optimistic to rather pessimistic after yesterday.

Agreed. I've gone from 'running out of games' to 'run out of games'. i'm still clinging to the hope that is Tuesday night. Until Wednesday, that is.

[Amesbury Saint]

I cannot see us winning another game this season

[.comsaint]

My problem with yesterday is that it looks as though Plymouth are now out of it.

 

I know there are still six games left, but they are 6 points ahead of us, so even if they only win 1 of their last 5 games we would have to win three of ours just to pull level.

 

I think it's now 2 teams out 3 (Us, Norwich & Forest) and I don't like those odds!!!!!! Maybe Barnsley can be pulled back into it, but they have 5 points and a game in hand on us.

 

I've gone from being somewhat optimistic to rather pessimistic after yesterday.

 

Incredibly 'strange' that all those bottom 6 clubs play each other on the final day of the season:

 

Plymouth v Barnsley

Charlton v Norwich

N Forest v Saints

 

Weird. You couldn't make it up!

[ludgershallsaint]

I think there's still hope that Barnsley could be dragged in.

 

Seven games left, five are away and the two home games are against Swansea and Wolves.

[Saint_Ash]

Incredibly 'strange' that all those bottom 6 clubs play each other on the final day of the season:

 

Plymouth v Barnsley

Charlton v Norwich

N Forest v Saints

 

Weird. You couldn't make it up!

 

I still reckon that it could come down to having to win away at forest to stay up. And no doubt a 95th minute goal for either team will do it.

[John D]

I still reckon that it could come down to having to win away at forest to stay up. And no doubt a 95th minute goal for either team will do it.

 

I agree - Being optimistic I can see Norwich picking up 6 points from their last 5 games (lose to swansea, Ipswich and Reading) whilst beating Watford and Charlton. Forest picking up 9 points (beating bristol city, Coventry and Blackpool - losing to Sheff Utd) and then facing us

 

By my maths that means we need 4 wins and we could overhaul them both - would have to target the palace, burnley, sheff wed games for these 9 points. Then winner takes all against Forest.

 

Of course this conveniently ignores the fact that we don't look like we could beat an egg at the moment or that the FL could make it all irrelevant anyway!

[.comsaint]

Updated tuesday night following the 2-2 draw at Watford.

[Amesbury Saint]

3 wins and we will be ok. just

[fanimal]

We can win 4 out of the last 5 we must!!

[Summers]

19. PLYMOUTH.........Plyd 41...(GD -13)...Pts...46

20. BARNSLEY..........Plyd 40...(GD -12)...Pts...45

21. NORWICH...........Plyd 41...(GD-9 )....Pts...43

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22. NOTT'M FOR.......Plyd 41...(GD-19 )...Pts...42

23. SAINTS.............Plyd 41...(GD -17)....Pts..41

24. CHARLTON.........Plyd 40...(GD -23)....Pts..32

 

 

REMAINING FIXTURES:

 

 

PLYMOUTH: Coventry (H); Birmingham (A); Doncaster (H); QPR (A); BARNSLEY(H).

 

NORWICH: Swansea (A); Watford (H); Ipswich (A); Reading (H); CHARLTON(A).

 

NOTT'M FOREST: Bristol City (H); Sheff United (A); Coventry (H); Blackpool (A); SAINTS (H).

 

BARNSLEY: Watford (A); Swansea (H); Reading (A); Coventry (A); Wolves (H); PLYMOUTH (A).

 

SAINTS: Wolves (A); Crystal Palace (H); Sheff Wed (A); Burnley (H); FOREST (A).

 

CHARLTON: Birmingham (H); Coventry (A); Blackpool (H); Cardiff (H); Derby (A); NORWICH (H).

 

 

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*Updated as & when each team play. Correct as of Tue 7th April 2009

 

With most teams having either 5 or 6 games left to play, it is more than likely that, due to the fact that Saints are still in the mix, that things can still all change, one big result can be massive for any one team. The last day couldn't have been predicted with the bottom six all playing each other.

 

But FWIW to those who like predictions, Here's mine

 

Personally though, I'm not seeing the point in classing Charlton's, however, I believe that they'll beat Norwich on the last day, because i reckon Norwich will crumble like they did on the last day of the Premiership season where we were both relegated.

 

PLYMOUTH: Coventry (H) W; Birmingham (A) L; Doncaster (H) D; QPR (A) L; BARNSLEY(H). D - Points gained 5 - Overall Tally - 51

 

NORWICH: Swansea (A) D; Watford (H) D; Ipswich (A) L; Reading (H) L; CHARLTON(A). L - Points gained - 2 - Overall Tally - 45

 

NOTT'M FOREST: Bristol City (H) L; Sheff United (A) L; Coventry (H) W; Blackpool (A) D; SAINTS (H). D - Points gained 5 - Overall Tally - 47

 

BARNSLEY: Watford (A) D; Swansea (H) D; Reading (A) L; Coventry (A) L; Wolves (H) L; PLYMOUTH (A). D - Points gained 3 - Overall tally - 48

 

SAINTS: Wolves (A) L; Crystal Palace (H) W; Sheff Wed (A) D; Burnley (H) D; FOREST (A). D - Points gained - 6 - Overall Tally - 47

 

CHARLTON: Birmingham (H) L; Coventry (A) D; Blackpool (H) L; Cardiff (H) L; Derby (A) D; NORWICH (H). W - Points gained - 5 - Overall Tally - 37

 

Which now leaves the final table, with my reckoning being..

 

Plymouth 51

Barnsley 48

Saints 47 - Slightly better goal difference, barring an absolute hammering

Forest 47

Norwich 45

Charlton 37

[fanimal]

Shades of several previous seasons! But then I have no doubt as always it will go to the last game....oh god, the stress!!

[It's There]

Let's hope we're still in with a shout for the forest game..especially as it seems ages since we actually won a game! I'm usually optimistic, but.............

[Mr X]

Can anyone honestly see us winning away at wolves? that 6-0 under Burley seems light years away. We will do very very well to get a point

[Saint_clark]

Can anyone honestly see us winning away at wolves? that 6-0 under Burley seems light years away. We will do very very well to get a point

 

This season seems to be the one for the big teams choking.

[SaintDonkey]

Okay obsessing about this as I wind down before the long weekend I thought I'd see what would happen based purely on the form tables. Looking at the home and way sides form over the last 5 games. If one side is more than 2 places in the table above the other then they win, within 2 places a draw. E.g. Plymouth lose at home to Coventry because Plymouth are 20th in the home form table and Coventry are 15th in the away form table.

 

 

 

PLYMOUTH: Coventry (H) Lose; Birmingham (A) Lose; Doncaster (H) Lose; QPR (A) Draw; BARNSLEY(H) Draw.

 

2 points

 

BARNSLEY: Watford (A) Lose; Swansea (H) Win; Reading (A) Win; Coventry (A) Lose; Wolves (H) Lose; PLYMOUTH (A) Draw.

 

7 points

 

 

NORWICH: Swansea (A) L ; Watford (H) L; Ipswich (A) L; Reading (H) L; CHARLTON(A) D.

 

1 point

 

NOTT'M FOREST: Bristol City (H) D; Sheff United (A) L; Coventry (H) L; Blackpool (A) D; SAINTS (H) L.

 

2 points

 

SAINTS: Wolves (A) Lose; Crystal Palace (H) Win; Sheff Wed (A) Win; Burnley (H) Lose; FOREST (A) Win.

 

9 points

 

 

CHARLTON: Birmingham (H) Draw; Coventry (A) Draw; Blackpool (H) Lose; Cardiff (H) Draw; Derby (A) Draw; NORWICH (H) Draw.

 

5 points

 

 

So the final table would be:

 

20 Barnsley 52

23 Southampton 50

19 Plymouth 48

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21 Norwich 44

22 Nottm Forest 44

24 Charlton 37

 

So taking a totally dispassionate measurement Saints survive! Honestly when I started this exercise I had no idea how it would turn out (in fact in my head I had Saints and Barnsley joining Charlton in League 1).

 

Obviously this would make the last game of the season very interesting since Forest would need to beat Southampton to end up with the same number of points - and how much they beat us by would determine who went down.

 

I know it's all meaningless but it's cheered me up a bit!

Edited 9 April, 2009 by SaintDonkey

[badgerx16]

So, for tomorrow are we all cheering for the Swans and Brizzle C ?

[.comsaint]

Updated following the abysmal showing at Molineaux.

[Saints Warrior]

This really would be a miracle great escape with Barnsley and Norwich having such a favourable last game of the season. The Palace game will have to be a win for Saints if both these teams win today. If Barnsley have a forward who can kick the ball intentionally then they should win 3-0 easy.

[saint lard]

Forest losing at the mo.0-1 Bristol city.

[.comsaint]

Updated following Saturday's results. Could have done without that late, late Dexter Blackstock goal for Forest - but that's life I guess.

[SFC Forever]

No matter what the others have done we still need 3 wins.

Time is not on our side.

[gjphilsaint]

Charlton can be relegated on Monday if they lose and Forest get a point!

[SNSUN]

Palace - picked up form of late.

Wednesday - Good win against Norwich

Burnley - more resiliant this season

Forest - desperate to stay in the league.

 

Can't even see where the next point is coming from, let alone the next win.

 

Keeping the faith, albeit that it's a tiny, minute, minescule, scrap of faith. (But am mentaly prepared for League One also.

[Amesbury Saint]

Palace - picked up form of late.

Wednesday - Good win against Norwich

Burnley - more resiliant this season

Forest - desperate to stay in the league.

 

Can't even see where the next point is coming from, let alone the next win.

 

Keeping the faith, albeit that it's a tiny, minute, minescule, scrap of faith. (But am mentaly prepared for League One also.

 

or

 

Palace mid table - gone on their holidays

Wed - mid table - gone on their holidays

Burnley - almost certain of a play off place now, so start to rest key players for play offs by the time we play them

 

Forest match - do or die match!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

or

 

Palace mid table - gone on their holidays

Wed - mid table - gone on their holidays

Burnley - almost certain of a play off place now, so start to rest key players for play offs by the time we play them

 

Forest match - do or die match!

 

Palace will not lie down....Warnock is manager and will not allow it

Wed..??? our best chance of any points

Burnley far far better than us and bang on form

Forest...too much "never say die attitude" for us to handle, unlike our lot

[AlfredKo]

Palace will not lie down....Warnock is manager and will not allow it

Wed..??? our best chance of any points

Burnley far far better than us and bang on form

Forest...too much "never say die attitude" for us to handle, unlike our lot

 

 

Palace, last time when we played them two of our goals conceded are individual stupid mistakes. James will never make the same mistake again. Size is not Alex Pearce. Even if Size played the same standard against Wolves, he will be able to give Kuqi a tough afternoon. If Kuqi is not better than Harewood then we should be fine.

 

Wed, last time we played them, they were the poorest to come down to SMS this season. With a goalscorer in our team, we should win this game.

 

Burnley, given that they rest their key players. If we can't beat a Burnley reserve team at home, our players won't deserve to be anyone.

 

Forest, I am not afraid of playing their team. Just seen the goals this morning, two of them were down to very poor defending of Bristol City. Size, Perry, Skacel, James won't make those kinds of mistakes. When I am worry about is the "Sky effect", everytime we played away on Sky this season, we will definitely lose by 3 goals difference. I really hope any of our players can break this rule, just like breaking our must lose record against Watford.

[adysaint]

We have to target the Sheff Wed game - awful team, nothing to play for, no atmosphere in half full stadium...

 

If you could have picked an 'must win' away game, I'd pick that one...

[exit2]

20. NORWICH...........Plyd 43...(GD-8 )....Pts...46

21. BARNSLEY..........Plyd 42...(GD -14)...Pts...46

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22. NOTT'M FOR.......Plyd 43...(GD-18 )...Pts...46

23. SAINTS.............Plyd 43...(GD -19)....Pts..44

24. CHARLTON.........Plyd 42...(GD -23)....Pts..34

 

 

REMAINING FIXTURES:

 

 

NORWICH :Ipswich (A); Reading (H); CHARLTON(A).

 

NOTT'M FOREST: Coventry (H); Blackpool (A); SAINTS (H).

 

BARNSLEY: Reading (A); Coventry (A); Wolves (H); PLYMOUTH (A).

 

SAINTS:Sheff Wed (A); Burnley (H); FOREST (A).

 

CHARLTON:Blackpool (H); Cardiff (H); Derby (A); NORWICH (H).

 

how close is this going to be!

[SaintSAB]

We better hope Reading, Coventry and Blackpool are at their best!

[Window Cleaner]

We better hope Reading, Coventry and Blackpool are at their best!

 

Not to mention Plymouth on the last day, that game Plymouth-Barnsley worries me.

[70's Mike]

we need to win at Sheffield because Burnley are going to be very tough

[mitch01]

20. NORWICH...........Plyd 43...(GD -8 )...Pts...46

21. BARNSLEY..........Plyd 42...(GD -14)...Pts...46

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22. NOTT'M FOR.......Plyd 43...(GD-18 )...Pts...46

23. SAINTS.............Plyd 43...(GD -19)....Pts..44

24. CHARLTON.........Plyd 42...(GD -23)....Pts..34

 

 

REMAINING FIXTURES:

 

 

NORWICH : Ipswich (A); Reading (H); CHARLTON(A).

 

NOTT'M FOREST : Coventry (H); Blackpool (A); SAINTS (H).

 

BARNSLEY : Reading (A); Coventry (A); Wolves (H); PLYMOUTH (A).

 

SAINTS : Sheff Wed (A); Burnley (H); FOREST (A).

 

CHARLTON : Blackpool (H); Cardiff (H); Derby (A); NORWICH (H).

 

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*Updated as & when each team play. Correct as of Mon 13th April 2009

 

Nowich vs Ipswich D

Norwich vs Reading W

Norwich vs Charlton D

 

Norwich safe on 51

 

Forest vs Coventry W

Forest vs Blackpool D

Forest vs Saints L

 

Forest on 50

 

Barnsley vs Reading L

Barnsley vs Coventry D

Barnsley vs Wolves D

Barnsley vs Plymouth D

 

Barnsley on 49

 

Saints vs Sheff D

Saints vs Burnley D

Saints vs Forest W

 

Saints on 49

 

Charlton are gone.

 

Hope I have been a bit pessimistic, if we beat Sheff things will look a whole lot better I think. I still believe it can happen...I just dont think it will.

 

All my support from Nicaragua though!

[AlfredKo]

It is ****ing tight now!!!! Blackpool and Plymouth are not safe yet at this moment. Also Coventry and Reading have a big say about which two teams relagated with Charlton. Even Coventry can be relagated if they undergo four successive heavy defeats. Not until the final whistle on the survival Sunday, the result for this massive relagation battle will not be easily decided!!!!!!

[saints_is_the_south]

REMAINING FIXTURES:

 

NORWICH : Ipswich (A) - Lose; Reading (H) - Lose; CHARLTON(A) - Draw. 47 points

 

NOTT'M FOREST : Coventry (H) - Win; Blackpool (A) - Draw; SAINTS (H) - Draw. 51 points

 

BARNSLEY : Reading (A) - Lose; Coventry (A) - Lose; Wolves (H) - Lose; PLYMOUTH (A) - Lose. 46 points

 

SAINTS : Sheff Wed (A) - Win; Burnley (H) - Draw; FOREST (A) - Draw. 49 points

 

CHARLTON : Blackpool (H) - Win; Cardiff (H) - Lose; Derby (A) - Lose; NORWICH (H) - Draw. 38 points.

 

20. Forest - 51

21. Saints - 49

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22. Norwich - 47

23. Barnsley - 46

24. Charlton - 38

[.comsaint]

Some good news regarding Forest anyway!

 

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11727_5185236,00.html

[maxi_sopez]

any chance of us and forest just needing a draw to stay up! that would be good just go and get a draw, like sweeden and denmark i think did in the euro's

[SaintDonkey]

Reading's form - or lack of it - is looking critical to our run in. If they beat Barnsley and Derby they'll be secure in the play offs by the time they face Norwich. So ideally we need them to beat Barnsley, but then screw up against Derby so they need a win against Norwich.

 

On the other hand we'd like Burnley to be safe in a play off place by the time we play the, but that only happens if they beat Sheffield United and Swansea and Preston both lose. However that would mean that Reading wouldn't need a win again Norwich.

 

 

So to get to a laboured point. Which is prefereable - a motivated Reading side needing a win against Norwich? Or a demotivated Burnley coasting against us?

 

I'd probably go for a demotivated Burnley myself - safe in a play off position - since Reading are looking so hopeless at the minute I reckon Norwich will beat then at Carrow Road whatever.

[SFC Forever]

If we can beat Weds and then win our last home game against Burnley we won't have much to worry about anyway. After two such wins(miracles do happen) Forest should be a doddle. We could send them down as payback for losing at home to them.