Surman's miss

[saint_ed]

I really meant that the significance reminded me of fryatts miss, although it was from a similar position. i agree fryatts was a worse miss.

 

I certainly am not one to blame Surman. he is, despite last nights effort, one of our best players.

We will miss him when he goes to a higher placed club.

 

the goal against PNE is soon forgotten by his critics.

 

 

Fryatt was in the six yard box when he missed, Surman was only just inside the penalty box. I agree that we will miss him hugely though.

[Hopkins]

It was nowhere near as bad as that. McGoldrick smashed the ball towards Surman so although a player of his ability should have probably hit the target, those claiming dead grandparents could have scored are talking well and truly out of their arse.

 

You are talking out of your arse. I love Surman, think he is our best player, we will miss him terribly when he leaves. The guy is quality and passionate. However, he was shocking last night, and that miss summed it up.

 

It was a sitter, he should have at least hit the target. He didn't. Nevermind. However...to say that McGoldrick smashed the ball towards him is complete and utter ********, it was a nice, well placed, well weighted inside of the boot pass. McGoldrick quite easily could have smashed it towards goal, or smacked it towards Euell or Saga who were both hanging around the 6 yard box, but no, he looked up, saw Surman running in and played it behind everyone else into his path...what followed next was truely horrific.

[saint_ed]

You are talking out of your arse. I love Surman, think he is our best player, we will miss him terribly when he leaves. The guy is quality and passionate. However, he was shocking last night, and that miss summed it up.

 

It was a sitter, he should have at least hit the target. He didn't. Nevermind. However...to say that McGoldrick smashed the ball towards him is complete and utter ********, it was a nice, well placed, well weighted inside of the boot pass. McGoldrick quite easily could have smashed it towards goal, or smacked it towards Euell or Saga who were both hanging around the 6 yard box, but no, he looked up, saw Surman running in and played it behind everyone else into his path...what followed next was truely horrific.

 

Yeah I agree he had a shocker, but its no surprise when people get on his back after a couple of miss placed passes. Some tit behind me never stops bloody moaning and my frustration from that has now spilled onto here regarding my defence of Surman.

 

I would like to see the pass by McGoldrick again, but it was right in front of me and the first thing I remember thinking was he had put far too much pace on the pass. I don't deny that Surman should have hit the target, however chastising him for the miss isn't going to do anyone, particularly him any good in the lead up to what is arguably 4 of the most important games in our history.

[Gordon Mockles]

I agree with saint clark, although from the itchen corner it may have been deceiving. Not like it was 4 or 5 yards out, goal gaping tho.....was it?

 

I didn't think it was that clear cut either to be honest.

 

I think he had time to take a touch first. At least he should have 'hit the target'

 

Come on, the ball was travelling with a ton of pace, he was to the left of goal and he was at least 12 yards out.

As I said, a good chance but not a sitter.

 

I may be wrong but I dont think he meant to miss it

 

You're all quite wrong. I won't deliberate as you're entitled to your opinions, whether wrong or not, but it was right in front of me (being behind the goal in the Chapel) and a clear cut chance that Surman missed from 11-12 yards out. Simple as that.

 

It may not have been on the goal line, or with a marooned keeper and en empty net but it was still a golden opportunity at very close range and Surman blo*dy well knew it. Just watch his response?! Speaks volumes!

 

There were some defenders in the vicinity but it was certainly not taxing. Bear in mind he is a professional footballer and this was a bread and butter chance. The ball was not travelling with a ton of pace, it came across the goal mouth (a very welll weighted pass by Mc Goldrick who I don't like nor rate but a great ball to pick out Drew) and Surman hooked it across goal. It was also on his instep, of his LEFT foot. All in his favour. You don't get too many chances like that in a game. Drew did not have time for a touch. It was a case of hit it hard and into the back of the net. He pulled it wide of the goal. A poor effort.

 

I may be wrong but I dont think he meant to miss it

 

One of the few posts of sense!

 

FWIW, I like Surman and he threads a good pass through. He had a very poor game but the reactions on here are a tad knee jerk and unfair. He does lack pace and isn't strong in the air but we've always known this. He still has good assets to contribute to the squad (well, the managers seem to think so) and cares a lot about this club. Sadly, our lack of quality in the squad, sheer lack of depth in playing staff and desperate need for our stronger players (tired or not) like Surman dictated that he statred instead of some 16 year old scholar! Make of that as you will.

[londonsaint1604]

He should have got it on target at least and probably should have scored, but from reading some of the posts on here I was expecting to see him missing an open goal from 6 yards out with loads of time and space. Having just seen the highlights I think some people are being very harsh indeed.

[krissyboy31]

He should have got it on target at least and probably should have scored, but from reading some of the posts on here I was expecting to see him missing an open goal from 6 yards out with loads of time and space. Having just seen the highlights I think some people are being very harsh indeed.

 

That's what I thought. From the way it was explained on here, it was up with the Ronnie Rosenthal miss, that always gets on the 'gaffs' DVDs.

[Gordon Mockles]

It's been done to death now but it was a very good chance. You can't dispute that!

[Weston Saint]

It's been done to death now but it was a very good chance. You can't dispute that!

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/page/Football/Championship/VideoIndex/0,,12555,00.html?mvnAssetId=3800793

 

Look at the highlight here. It was a chance but no more that many others in many other games.

[Gordon Mockles]

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/page/Football/Championship/VideoIndex/0,,12555,00.html?mvnAssetId=3800793

 

Look at the highlight here. It was a chance but no more that many others in many other games.

 

I don't think the reply does it justice cos it doesn't look as clear cut as it did Tuesday night, sat right behind the ball. Still, what'd done is done. Should have buried it. He didn't. 1 point, more to do.

[Weston Saint]

I don't think the reply does it justice cos it doesn't look as clear cut as it did Tuesday night, sat right behind the ball. Still, what'd done is done. Should have buried it. He didn't. 1 point, more to do.

Your perception of clear cut perhaps. Many on here have said it was not as you saw it and the camera suggests the same. My last word on the subject.

[derry]

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/page/Football/Championship/VideoIndex/0,,12555,00.html?mvnAssetId=3800793

 

Look at the highlight here. It was a chance but no more that many others in many other games.

 

Agreed, but it was his worst performance for a long time, lots of misplaced passes.

 

We gave the ball away a lot. Their goal was a direct result of us giving the ball away up front and a quick break.

 

Bringing Wotton on and sticking him in front of the back four instead of Gillett allows the opponents to attack round the outside, he is nowhere near mobile enough to play there. It causes us to defend deep and that is why we concede late goals. Sticking Liptak alongside the centre backs to attack the ball makes more sense. Taking off Saganowski was just stupid even though he wasn't playing that well.

 

Our crosses, free kicks etc were dire, the kids shooting at the mascot were getting the ball into the air, pity the players couldn't.

[saint_ed]

You're all quite wrong. I won't deliberate as you're entitled to your opinions, whether wrong or not, but it was right in front of me (being behind the goal in the Chapel) and a clear cut chance that Surman missed from 11-12 yards out. Simple as that.

 

It may not have been on the goal line, or with a marooned keeper and en empty net but it was still a golden opportunity at very close range and Surman blo*dy well knew it. Just watch his response?! Speaks volumes!

 

There were some defenders in the vicinity but it was certainly not taxing. Bear in mind he is a professional footballer and this was a bread and butter chance. The ball was not travelling with a ton of pace, it came across the goal mouth (a very welll weighted pass by Mc Goldrick who I don't like nor rate but a great ball to pick out Drew) and Surman hooked it across goal. It was also on his instep, of his LEFT foot. All in his favour. You don't get too many chances like that in a game. Drew did not have time for a touch. It was a case of hit it hard and into the back of the net. He pulled it wide of the goal. A poor effort.

 

 

 

One of the few posts of sense!

 

FWIW, I like Surman and he threads a good pass through. He had a very poor game but the reactions on here are a tad knee jerk and unfair. He does lack pace and isn't strong in the air but we've always known this. He still has good assets to contribute to the squad (well, the managers seem to think so) and cares a lot about this club. Sadly, our lack of quality in the squad, sheer lack of depth in playing staff and desperate need for our stronger players (tired or not) like Surman dictated that he statred instead of some 16 year old scholar! Make of that as you will.

 

 

I was also sat right behind the goal, and I disagree totally with your assessment. As many have said, it was a good chance at best but by no means a sitter. Amazing how opinions vary.

Edited 12 March, 2009 by saint_ed

[Chez]

Taking off Saganowski was just stupid even though he wasn't playing that well.

 

I'm sick and tired of reading ****e like this. Saga is not a ****ing god. He has been absolute dog **** in the last few games and he should have been subbed ages before he was. I kno0w the guy can score goals but the other ten men and no where near good enough to carry him all night long. We were 1-0 up FFS. We didn't even need a bloody goal, what we needed was a striker that actually did something.

 

If you were Patterson sat on the sidelines watching Saga waltz about, falling over, winning **** all in the air, giving the ball away every time he gets it and effectively being a passenger, would you wonder what the **** the manager was doing. Patterson can score goals, did you not see his goal against Ipswich.

 

No one, and I mean no one is too good to be subbed.

[Hopkins]

To be fair it was 1-1 when Saga was subbed. That said, I agree totally, the bloke, other than a few goals has done **** all and I have no idea where he has got this hero status from.

[sadoldgit]

The whole season is made up of "defining moments". There is usually a point in most games when they are won or lost. Even the best player miss relatively easy chances. Give the bloke a break.

[Junior Mullet]

I'm sick and tired of reading ****e like this. Saga is not a ****ing god. He has been absolute dog **** in the last few games and he should have been subbed ages before he was. I kno0w the guy can score goals but the other ten men and no where near good enough to carry him all night long. We were 1-0 up FFS. We didn't even need a bloody goal, what we needed was a striker that actually did something.

 

If you were Patterson sat on the sidelines watching Saga waltz about, falling over, winning **** all in the air, giving the ball away every time he gets it and effectively being a passenger, would you wonder what the **** the manager was doing. Patterson can score goals, did you not see his goal against Ipswich.

 

No one, and I mean no one is too good to be subbed.

 

Come off it Chez, I thought you were a better judge of a footballer than that!

 

As Adrian keeps pointing out, Saga really can defend from the front by harrying the defenders. He's also our best finisher by a mile. I completely understand why he was kept on at a time when we were still creating chances.

 

Pato scored a good goal against Ipswich when we were already over the line and Ipswich heads had dropped. Would he have gone for goal had we been 0-0 - NO he would not - he would have played safe and laid it off. Pato is a long way off being good enough for the first team at the moment IMO.

[OldNick]

The whole season is made up of "defining moments". There is usually a point in most games when they are won or lost. Even the best player miss relatively easy chances. Give the bloke a break.

Very true, Surmans miss is hardly up there with Pruttons at WBA. Yes we expect AS to score but I think as much a defining moment could be the ball coming back off the post, or SU injury time winner.Each in their own way could be crucial at the end of the season.

To my mind the biggest factor was not the Jan experiment , but not stopping it 4-5 games earlier, Wotte in charge then and perhaps we might not be fretting so much now.

[OldNick]

Come off it Chez, I thought you were a better judge of a footballer than that!

 

As Adrian keeps pointing out, Saga really can defend from the front by harrying the defenders. He's also our best finisher by a mile. I completely understand why he was kept on at a time when we were still creating chances.

 

Pato scored a good goal against Ipswich when we were already over the line and Ipswich heads had dropped. Would he have gone for goal had we been 0-0 - NO he would not - he would have played safe and laid it off. Pato is a long way off being good enough for the first team at the moment IMO.

Saga has done well but the last few games has lost his spark again.Lets hope it is reignited saturday and he chases like he did when he first came back.

[Charlie Wayman]

That was guff. He was guff. Don't even get me started on Skacel.

 

I hope you know what your talking about 'cos sure as hell I don't! Get YOU started... ? Who ARE you?

 

Rudi Skacel has been superb since his return and the way he was rallying the lads on Saturday showed that he really cares about us staying up. If only we had a few more like him. The guy is class.

[Junior Mullet]

Saga has done well but the last few games has lost his spark again.Lets hope it is reignited saturday and he chases like he did when he first came back.

 

Let's also hope the service up to the front men gets a lot better. I was so p!ssed off on Tuesday when we kept pumping the ball in the air through the middle - bread and butter to the big Derby defenders. Euell has some chance of prospering from that but it's not really playing to Saga's strength.

 

James and Surman are the players that are capable of putting balls down the channels for Saga to chase but they both looked knackered on Tuesday - James did not get forward half as much as he usually does.

[Saint_clark]

I hope you know what your talking about 'cos sure as hell I don't! Get YOU started... ? Who ARE you?

 

Rudi Skacel has been superb since his return and the way he was rallying the lads on Saturday showed that he really cares about us staying up. If only we had a few more like him. The guy is class.

 

Rubbish, Skacel was awful V Derby.

[saint_ed]

I'm sick and tired of reading ****e like this. Saga is not a ****ing god. He has been absolute dog **** in the last few games and he should have been subbed ages before he was. I kno0w the guy can score goals but the other ten men and no where near good enough to carry him all night long. We were 1-0 up FFS. We didn't even need a bloody goal, what we needed was a striker that actually did something.

 

If you were Patterson sat on the sidelines watching Saga waltz about, falling over, winning **** all in the air, giving the ball away every time he gets it and effectively being a passenger, would you wonder what the **** the manager was doing. Patterson can score goals, did you not see his goal against Ipswich.

 

No one, and I mean no one is too good to be subbed.

 

Totally agree. He was having a very poor game and could benefit from a rest.

[OldNick]

Let's also hope the service up to the front men gets a lot better. I was so p!ssed off on Tuesday when we kept pumping the ball in the air through the middle - bread and butter to the big Derby defenders. Euell has some chance of prospering from that but it's not really playing to Saga's strength.

 

James and Surman are the players that are capable of putting balls down the channels for Saga to chase but they both looked knackered on Tuesday - James did not get forward half as much as he usually does.

James was nullified by having to watch Teale.

Saga was not up to his frorm as he had been so far, I just hope he can regain it quickly

[(not THE) Kevin Moore]

never mind all that, Surman was bobbins and yet started the second half... whereas Schneiderlin was tidy enough in the first half, if not spectacular and he was subbed at half time.... go figure!!

[sfc6mufc3]

It was hardly in the same league of misses as Chris Iwelumo for Scotland or Kanu for WBA.

[saintsforlife7]

Missed another sitter and cost us two more points today!

[saints_is_the_south]

And i thought Tuesday's miss was bad!! I like Drew but he has cost us 4 points this week which will send us down.

[sidthesquid]

And i thought Tuesday's miss was bad!! I like Drew but he has cost us 4 points this week which will send us down.

 

Very unfair - it was right in front of us and the pass was to Euell, he swung a boot and missed it completely, which meant that Surman was off-balance and not expecting it, hence he missed it. Euell was the real culprit, not Surman

[Saint_clark]

It didn't look that bad today either, but I will need to see it again. Like Sid says, it looked like he wasn't expecting it and wasn't set.

[Window Cleaner]

never mind all that, Surman was bobbins and yet started the second half... whereas Schneiderlin was tidy enough in the first half, if not spectacular and he was subbed at half time.... go figure!!

 

Schneiderlin is injured(again).

[LostBoys]

Another dreadful perfermance by him. Not just the miss but his passing was abysmal - he never found Saganowski once.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Another dreadful perfermance by him. Not just the miss but his passing was abysmal - he never found Saganowski once.

 

Agree completely..he was truly ****e but he was shaded to the worst

performer by Lallana...

[ottery st mary]

Schneiderlin is injured(again).

 

Does that mean Wotte and Lowey can bring the big guns in...Smithy,Pulis and Gismo. Should frighten the fans..ours that is.

 

COYR...Plonkers once again.:smt049

[saint_ed]

I see people continue to jump on the band wagon. Why don't people start using their own brain for once (if they have one) and start looking at the bigger picture a little.

 

Are you too blinkered to see that his confidence is shot to pieces and the last thing he needs is a bunch of *****s booing him every time he makes a mistake. He has scored some key goals for us this season so to suggest he has cost us 4 points is quite frankly plain stupidity.

 

Also, as someone else has said, the pass was intended for Euell who scuffed his shot, as he did for the one on one 2 minutes into the game.

 

And for the bloke in the chapel who decided to shout a load of abuse at Surman after his miss.....thanks for covering the rest of us in spit....d!ck.

[saintsim]

bad miss

[forever a red and white]

people should get off #Surman's back. people forget he is still young and developing.

 

Since breaking into the team only three seasons ago or so he has had numerous managers;

 

Burley

Dodd/Gorman

Pearson

JP

Wotte.

 

Hardly good for a players development without consistent coaching, and i;m sure other players have suffered in the same way.

 

Surman will come good.

[trousers]

[sidthesquid]

people should get off #Surman's back. people forget he is still young and developing.

 

Since breaking into the team only three seasons ago or so he has had numerous managers;

 

Burley

Dodd/Gorman

Pearson

JP

Wotte.

 

Hardly good for a players development without consistent coaching, and i;m sure other players have suffered in the same way.

 

Surman will come good.

 

He IS good

[saint_ed]

He IS good

 

Absolutely. Sums it up perfectly.

[Andyb1]

Very unfair - it was right in front of us and the pass was to Euell, he swung a boot and missed it completely, which meant that Surman was off-balance and not expecting it, hence he missed it. Euell was the real culprit, not Surman

 

Dont be so blody stupid. I was also in line WITH THE CROSS... It went straight to him 6 yards out and he f*cked it up. He also missed another later, although it was much harder. He is a professional footballer who in his own words is "ready for the premiership" my ar*se is he. He was alful again today. JUST AWFUL and he has cost us 4 points in a week,,

[pilsburydoughboy]

 

 

Oh and Surman misses a chance.........

Oh and Surman misses another sitter.........

Surman pulls out of a challenge.............

Surman seems to be just jogging abround the pitch.........

Oh and he has missed another chance.................:smt017

[sidthesquid]

Dont be so blody stupid. I was also in line WITH THE CROSS... It went straight to him 6 yards out and he f*cked it up. He also missed another later, although it was much harder. He is a professional footballer who in his own words is "ready for the premiership" my ar*se is he. He was alful again today. JUST AWFUL and he has cost us 4 points in a week,,

 

When you have finished being offensive - are we talking about the same chance where Euell scuffed his kick completely before Surman mi**** it?

[saint_ed]

Dont be so blody stupid. I was also in line WITH THE CROSS... It went straight to him 6 yards out and he f*cked it up. He also missed another later, although it was much harder. He is a professional footballer who in his own words is "ready for the premiership" my ar*se is he. He was alful again today. JUST AWFUL and he has cost us 4 points in a week,,

 

Absolute bloody rubbish. By that I assume the only games you have attended all season are the last two matches. He has earned us far more points than he has lost us, so get off his back and try actually supporting him.

[saint_ed]

When you have finished being offensive - are we talking about the same chance where Euell scuffed his kick completely before Surman mi**** it?

 

Yep we are sid.....some people hear other people criticizing a player and straight away assume they should as well at the earliest opportunity. No wonder he missed it with the pressure that some of our so called fans are uneccessarily putting him under.

[LostBoys]

I have never booed a SFC player but that does not make his miss and his dreadful performance any more palatable - ok and Lallana was even worse

[Papa Shango]

Absolute bloody rubbish. By that I assume the only games you have attended all season are the last two matches. He has earned us far more points than he has lost us, so get off his back and try actually supporting him.

 

He has far more bad games than good. Fans haven't been putting him under pressure at all recently at all. You're just making excuses for him.

[Arizona]

Surman seems to go off the boil in the second half of seasons for some reason. Last season under Dudd/Gormless and Pearson he was awful. In the second half of the playoff season he wasn't fantastic either.

 

I want him to stay, because I still think he has a promising future. However he needs to improve. Playing alongside a bit lump of a defensive midfielder should get the best out of him, like Pele did at times. With him, DMG, Lallana and Schneiderlin however it's like watching a badly orchestrated ballet at times.

[Weston Saint]

Let's put all this into context.

 

Surman is our second highest League scorer and he is a midfielder.

 

Surman is our top assist with 6 double anyone else.

 

Surman is third in the club list for shots at goal.

 

Seems he must be doing something right.

[saint_ed]

Let's put all this into context.

 

Surman is our second highest League scorer and he is a midfielder.

 

Surman is our top assist with 6 double anyone else.

 

Surman is third in the club list for shots at goal.

 

Seems he must be doing something right.

 

Precisely. People need to look at the facts before following the lead of many of the muppets we have supporting this club. Surman has had 2 off games, aside from that he has been arguably our best player all season, and contributing the most by way of goals and assists. (See the FACTS!). It's unfortunate that up until a couple of weeks ago our defence didn't look capable of conceding less than 3 goals per game.