krissyboy31 Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Saturday is now a must-win game. If we don't get 3 points against QPR I can't see anyway we will get enough points to stay up.
wiltshiresaint Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 If only Surman had put that one in... oh well, probably should have been worse, and there are several teams who were a long way ahead a few weeks ago now looking over their shoulders. It's gonna be a tight one again!
badgerx16 Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 QPR have drawn 4 and lost 4 of their last 8 matches, and only scored 4 goals whilst conceding 10 -- don'tcha just know what that means :mad:
.comsaint Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Jeez - how many late goals do we give away? *sigh We must win saturday AND win that game in hand we have. I would put my life on it going to the final game once again though. And that isn't good for my health.
Ewell Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Very disappointing result after leading the match so late on. You have to think though it could have been so much worse. We are doing OK for points won on our current form but we could do with a few others around us not picking up so many. That is why matches against your relegation rivals have to be won, especially when you are at home. That is 2 points dropped and could be costly come May!
Micky Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Saturday is now a must-win game. If we don't get 3 points against QPR I can't see anyway we will get enough points to stay up. Ahhhh another one of those pesky 'must win' games, like the other ones we've had this season against Forest and Sheffield Utd - and we lost them both, but we are still in there fighting...!!
krissyboy31 Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 QPR have drawn 4 and lost 4 of their last 8 matches, and only scored 4 goals whilst conceding 10 -- don'tcha just know what that means :mad: Paulo Sousa getting the sack and a caretaker coming in and immediately getting a result.
brmbrm Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 The result will do the players good. A win would of put us on 40 points and the players would of relaxed more after a win. Please turn the sarcasm button on next time. "Winning will makle them complacent". Love it. Its Fergusons stragtegy every time. "If they win, ah will nae be able to chew their boolx off, so its best if they don't win" or some equally ridicluous philosophy.
Mr Saints Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Feels like a defeat, back to the bad old days of buckling under pressure and throwing away a lead. Fail to get 3 points on Saturday and that's it, although I fear tonight may have killed us already.
krissyboy31 Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Ahhhh another one of those pesky 'must win' games, like the other ones we've had this season against Forest and Sheffield Utd - and we lost them both, but we are still in there fighting...!! Trouble is, now we only have 9 games left and we have to win at least 4 and possibly 5 of them.
SB Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 We draw a must win game, does that mean we're down?.. Hmm, nope.. Rumour on the grape vine tells me we have another must win game on saturday, Phew..
WGC Saint Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 It's like running in quick sand! One defeat in 5, 3 wins and still we're second bottom...... It's the hope that kills me. In some ways I wish we were already down so I wouldn't have the twitchy arse moments every time we play.......
Toomer Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Just got home we could have lost that we were there for the taking after Derby pulled it back, after the last two home wins we thought we were going to get more of the same.
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 i would have taken that before the game,derby have hit a bit of form recently........we didnt get beat but the teams around us arent doing us any favours.....this is to be expected as they are fighting for the lives just like us.
Mole Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Just got home we could have lost that we were there for the taking after Derby pulled it back, after the last two home wins we thought we were going to get more of the same. As soon as we started sitting back i just knew we wouldn't be able to defend the lead. Lew chatterly used to do my head in when he used to wave the players back to defend once we'd scored - did the bench instruct the players to sit on the lead from what you saw?
Saint J 77 Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 On tonight's performance I would say we are going down. It just wasn't good enough. I hope they prove me wrong though.
saints-cris Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Frustrating yes.. but why people are saying we're down is odd. We still have to play Blackpool, Charlton and Watford. The real make or break will be these 3 games. A draw against an in form team tonight is not a bad result. It's in our hands, we are far from out of it. QPR is a game we should be looking to win though, but even then it won't be the end even if we do lose that one. We are in good form too, I still think we will get out of it.
JustMike Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 hard game that one, Derby are a good, strong passing side and made it difficult for us to break them down, plus they are on good form at the moment so a draw maybe a point gained rather than 2 dropped. Saturday is huuuuge now.
Under Weststand Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 I predicted 1-1 result so not surprised, just disappointed we blew a lead again. Sounds from comments made they sat back on it? And paid the price. Just seen the goals on Sky sports news. the defence just went completely to sleep for the equaliser & we very nearly lost it at the death great shot of the post. We're hanging on by our finger tips now & desperately need to win on Sat.
Spudsaint Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 It won't look so bad a result if we can beat QPR on Saturday. Four wins and a draw from the last nine may keep us up. Just hope we can play out the draw with Forest on the last day to keep us both up!
badgerx16 Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Frustrating yes.. but why people are saying we're down is odd. We still have to play Blackpool, Charlton and Watford. Is that the same Watford that have now won 6 of their last 8 games ? Whilst we need to find 4 wins and a couple of draws, and 3 of the wins will hopefully come from QPR, Blackpool, and Charlton, I can't see us getting much change from the away games at Hillsborough and Molyneux, so we need to get results from the Palace and Burnley games, and they won't be easy, to take the pressure off the last game of the season.
Arizona Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Jeez, it was like watching an air raid at times. Just whack the ball forward and see what happens. Real lack of creativity in midfield and half the players looked like they were on ketamine. The players... Davis - 6 F**k all to do except pick the ball out of the net. James - 5 Don't remember him passing to a Saints player all evening. Size - 8 Another great performance. Knocked 1 point of him and Perry for the goal and lack of organisation around it. Perry - 8 Generally solid and a good finish for a centre half. Skacel - 8 Another very solid game and a good leader on the pitch. Seemed one of the more intelligent going forward. Schneiderlin - 5 Not a right midfielder. Gillett - 8 Another terrier like performance. MOTM. DMG - 6 If his running gets any less productive, Adam Hammill is going to sue for copyright infringement. Surman - 3 F**k me he was dreadful. Euell - 6 Good hold up play, squandered his one chance at the death. Saga - 4 Put f**k all in, get f**k all out. Subs: Lallana - 5 No improvement on MS Wotton - 6 Wotton game. Solid but forgettable. Pato - n/a P.S. The ref was from Leicestershire. No conflict of interest there then...
BadgerBadger Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 We looked tired and lethargic today - took along time to get going. It's time to start Paterson and give Saga a rest, what is it with him he always comes back in to the team on fire then goes off the boil
Eddie Moliano Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Savage was so good, I'd start a thread on it if I could.
Arizona Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Savage was alright, but I don't think any of the Derby players really stood out. Infact as a team they were pretty much as poor as we were.
gammon cheeks Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Perry and size were class but i worry we have nothing on the bench to change the game . We need a couple of attacking players in on loan .
KMondo Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 P.S. The ref was from Leicestershire. No conflict of interest there then... Bizarre comment of the night. So, are referees not supposed to be allowed to come from a county neighbouring the team we're playing?
saint lard Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Just got back. Really dissapointing display overall,Gillet was the only person to inject pace and had a good game,Euell defended from the front,chased everything down and never stopped trying,though posed little attacking threat. Surman was abysmal. All IMO. Savage was a class act tonight.
Arizona Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Bizarre comment of the night. So, are referees not supposed to be allowed to come from a county neighbouring the team we're playing? No, IMO of course. I think having a ref that probably lives within 30 minutes of Pride Park is going to generate a conflict of interests. I'm not saying he's a Derby fan, but I think it would be in the back of his mind if there was a tough decision to be made.
St Marco Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 Personally i thought we were ****. You can dress it up and call it whatever you like but we were ****. The first 45mins was up there with the most boring halves of football i have seen this year. Derby looked the better team and looked the more likely to score which wasen't very likely at all....Which tells you something. Second half we started a little better and created a few chances but so did they. Neither side could find those killer balls. And when a chance came both sides squandered them. We had some major luck in that Davis' mistakes were not costly and that their keeper made a total hash of Perry's shot. Will that be considered a own goal? After we scored they changed and went 4-4-2 and began to run the show a bit. After that we had a couple of chances to put the game out of reach especially Surman's chance, after he missed that you just knew what was coming. Then the manager made what i thought was a huge error. He decided to change things and put Wotten on and put DMG on the left. From that momment on i knew we would not win because we would no longer be an attacking set-up. We would invite them back into the game, and that is what happened. They scored from some poor defensive play, considering we had more natural defensive players out there they should of done better. After that we were holding on for our lives and got major lucky that their shot hit the post near the end. All in all i think we were lucky to get a point. After they got back to 1-1 i think majority of us would of taken the draw. So my view is Wotte blew this one for us. With them chasing the game we should of kept Surman on (who didn't play well) but he can pass, especially long ball, so would of set up counter attacks as Derby pushed forward for the goal they needed. So have to say that Clough changed his tactics perfectly while we changed ours for the worse. I have praised Wotte a lot over the past few weeks, decided to not comment about the Brum game, but i saw a lot of worrying mistakes today in his decisions. It was like a return to before our wins. But things stay as they are. We are still the same points away from getting out of the drop zone even if we have dropped a place. We have gone from needing 5 wins from 10 to 5 wins from 9. We must win all our home games now, so QPR is a must win game, especially as Barnsley play Blackpool at the weekend meaning one of them will get away from us if we lose. Dissapointing game but not the end of the world, we still have time to get out of it. QPR game is now massive.
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 March, 2009 Posted 10 March, 2009 All still to play for. QPR now becomes the focus.
Wes Tender Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 I forego my boycott and buy two tickets for me and my son, as having boycotted the last two home games, we had still only witnessed one home win all season. Having watched that boring crap, I'm firmly back in boycott mode for the next home match. I wish that I'd gone with my instincts, that £48 was too much too pay for a Tuesday night match when others were paying just £5 and that I could have saved the money and stayed at home watching the Champions league matches while listening to the Saints match on the radio. At least that way I would have seen some decent football. Having taken an hour to go ahead of a very poor Derby team playing with a total lack of ambition up until then, this being Saints, it was inevitable that we would throw away two points before the final whistle. We're going down.
SamKimish Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 What annoyed me tonight was the amount of misplaced passes, not just from Surman (although he was one of the worst offenders) but from both teams as a whole. That and the inconsistent refereeing decisions! But I guess that that's just Championship football for you ... Gillet was amazing, all over the park. Very tenacious. Terrier-like performance. And all those other clichés about central midfielders. In him I see a quality player for the future. Size was excellent, not only did he defend well (apart from goal) but he suprisingly looked dangerous when going forward. He ran at Derby rather than punting it forward and had some beautiful chipped balls over their midfield. Perry - a rock at the back. Great defensive headers and took his goal well.
Hopkins Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 James - 5 Don't remember him passing to a Saints player all evening. Skacel - 8 Another very solid game and a good leader on the pitch. Seemed one of the more intelligent going forward. Subs: Lallana - 5 No improvement on MS My god you have spoke some **** here. James bar Perry was our best defender. Going forward not great but defensively I thought he did well today. Right place at the the right time. Skacel was ****ing ****e. I don't exactly rate him anyway mainly because he has never performed well for us, apart from the odd game here and there but tonight he was ****e. His crossing was guff, normally one of his saving graces, and him and Surman down the left, especially first half were embarrasing to watch at times. Some of their passing was hideous. There is not alot of intellagnce in him going forward either, he gets the ball, attempts a one two, if it works he whips it in, if not he chases back. Its a pretty simple game plan. And as for Lallana being no improvement on MS, bull****. Lallana touch and quick passing was a reason for our much better second half performance. Agree with Savage being MOM.
new_zealand_saint Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 I honestly can say i feel embarassed to call myslef a saints fan after that performance, that was well and truely pathetic. We looked as if we were only there to make up the numbers, and my god, surman was pathetic, a disgrace to the red and white shirt. He offered as much as he usually does...NOTHING!! and should have come off at half time instead of MS. We couldn't put 3 passes together i nthe first half, so we take off our best passer?? - what's the logic there? saga was quiet, and gillet, although very hard working, is sadly nowhere near good enough for this league! although after going 1-0 up i thought we might nick it, but in the end, we were lucky to get what we got. what makes tonight worse is that Rasiak has scored for Watford AGAIN...when are we goign to realise??
St Landrew Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 I can only give a pure reaction, having known nothing of the match except the result on my return from my sailing club meeting. Gutted. Absolutely gutted. Again..! F*****g well AGAIN Saints have let me down. I would cut real people out of my life if they let me down as much as Southampton FC has done. I just let myself have a tiny weeny glimpse of hope, and they destroy it. They're going down, and it's all so bloody unnecessary. I will ween myself off supporting this club if it kills me.
Saint_clark Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 My god you have spoke some **** here. James bar Perry was our best defender. Going forward not great but defensively I thought he did well today. Right place at the the right time. Skacel was ****ing ****e. I don't exactly rate him anyway mainly because he has never performed well for us, apart from the odd game here and there but tonight he was ****e. His crossing was guff, normally one of his saving graces, and him and Surman down the left, especially first half were embarrasing to watch at times. Some of their passing was hideous. There is not alot of intellagnce in him going forward either, he gets the ball, attempts a one two, if it works he whips it in, if not he chases back. Its a pretty simple game plan. And as for Lallana being no improvement on MS, bull****. Lallana touch and quick passing was a reason for our much better second half performance. Agree with Savage being MOM. I completely agree. Skacel was one of the worst performers for me. OK, we have been playing direct football lately - but he was just kicking it upfield without aim.
Saint_clark Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Gilletts control is absolutely shocking. He seems quite decent in closing down and in tackling, but a DM needs to be able to take a good first touch instead of it bouncing four yards away from him.
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Very disappointing to say the least.. A point is simply not enough...
dubai_phil Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Lol. A Psycho-analyst could write a thesis simply on the mood swings on here. 4th ultra high pressure game for the same group of players in what 10 days or so, they were bound to be a little stale by now (on both sides by the sound of it). Obviously the squad is short of "reliable" or "experienced" legs to replace those who weren't on top of their game and so that is a worry, but then all the other sides are in the same boat. Mentally being under such pressure does have a price, the trick now is whether the coaching staff and the fringe players can actually step up and get them pumped up for Saturday. QPR are not having a good run as the form table shows. We are running out of games and I am still really worried, but 3 weeks ago I expected us to be dead by now, but we scraped a point against the form team in the league, we aren't down yet, it means we need a "surprise" win where we expected a draw. The Ipswich game showed that in this league at this time it can happen. So worried, but not suicidal, a point last night may still be enough when the mix all comes out
rallyboy Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Positives from a dire game between two awful sides who scraped two crap goals?? Not many BUT We gained ground on Forest and Plymouth We took a point when we could easily have lost Negatives - in brief.... Several players looked like proper relegation material We scored one lucky goal and could have played until Christmas without getting another, was Saga playing? Skacel firing up the crowd - 'tell you what Rudi, we are doing our bit, how about YOU do yours?' Poor atmosphere I thought, though I was sat in the silence that is Kingsland centre last night where all is serene and you only stand up when the picnic hampers come out. And where was everyone, I thought the fiver deal would bring people out. Where was the atmosphere, passion and belief of the Cardiff game?
sidthesquid Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 My player ratings for last night Davis - 6 - not his best on a quiet night & almost dropped the ball in his own net James - 7 - okay, but not as good as recent weeks Skacel - 6.5 - likewise, also failed several times to take advantage of good situations. (Maybe I just expect more of him than he is capable of delivering) Saeijs - 7 - still impressive in defence but gave the ball away carelessly a few times Perry -7.5 - very steady Surman - 6 - not at his best Gillett - 7.5 - really growing in his role Schneiderlin - 6 - not really suited to playing out wide McGoldrick - 7 - worked hard again, tackling back & did some good work going forward Euell - 7 - worked his socks off & put himself about but never looked likely to score Saganowski - 6 - again worked hard but looked ineffective against a team defending deep Lallana - 7 - definitely added something in the second half Wotton - 6.5 - never really imposed himself Paterson - 6.5 - too late to do anything Wotte - 7 - couldn't really fault the lineup or the subs Overall it felt like one of those nights. It was a bitty, scrappy, frustrating game, not helped by a fussy referee & Derby sitting so deep. Nil-nil looked the most likely result as defences had the upper hand all night and both goals were a bit freaky. Not a disaster but not great either
Saint_Pedro Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Another Jekyll & Hyde performance. Saints looked very very ordinary last night. I think I counted 3 shots from Saints all night with 2 on target. On that perfromance we do not deserve to stay up. Surman (as others have pointed out) played League 2 standard (as did Saga & James). Derby deserved a draw at least. The Ref was dreadful. I only hope Dr Jekyll turns up on Saturday
Channon's Sideburns Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 haha reading this you'd think QPR was our last game. 10 points from a possible 15 over our last 5 games and 9 games left...its all to play for. Do you want to edit that last bit about 'all to play for' for me Le God ? Unfortunately it sounds like foooking Burley and his interviews...which were the same all the time he was here!!
Arizona Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Positives from a dire game between two awful sides who scraped two crap goals?? Not many BUT We gained ground on Forest and Plymouth We took a point when we could easily have lost Negatives - in brief.... Several players looked like proper relegation material We scored one lucky goal and could have played until Christmas without getting another, was Saga playing? Skacel firing up the crowd - 'tell you what Rudi, we are doing our bit, how about YOU do yours?' Poor atmosphere I thought, though I was sat in the silence that is Kingsland centre last night where all is serene and you only stand up when the picnic hampers come out. And where was everyone, I thought the fiver deal would bring people out. Where was the atmosphere, passion and belief of the Cardiff game? Hmmmmmm
trousers Posted 11 March, 2009 Posted 11 March, 2009 Went to the game last night....and, woe is me, what a difference in terms of passion and 'esprit de corps' from the Cardiff game. It's a long time since I've been to 'back-to-back' games and the difference was scary. That said, I think Derby came with a plan to snuff us out and succeeded. They commanded midfield (thanks to one Mr Savage). Our centre backs were our best players along with Gillett. Frustrating to say the least.
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