Wotte on Burley in the Echo

[benjii]

My recollection is that when news of the Dutch duo leaked out there was a lot of fuss about the suspected appointment. Whilst all that was kicking off Burley was a late entrant to the race for the job and was given it on Woodward's say so.

 

Still what ever the truth of the matter, Lowe is not here any more and Wotte is.

 

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Sorry, are you the bearer of tremendous news or is this some kind of typo?

[Gingeletiss]

My recollection is that when news of the Dutch duo leaked out there was a lot of fuss about the suspected appointment. Whilst all that was kicking off Burley was a late entrant to the race for the job and was given it on Woodward's say so.

 

Still what ever the truth of the matter, Lowe is not here any more and Wotte is.:smt041:smt030:finga::finga::smt039=D>

 

 

SOG, you darling, when did this happen

[VectisSaint]

Why should he? Just because he says what you dont like. He will obviously be more pro the current regime as they appointed him. Get over it, he will tow the club line no different to any other manager.

Many of the campaigners believe they are doing it for the best, but that doesnt mean they are right.Unless they know the full facts how can they make a correct judgement?

I respect the marchers as they did it for the right reasons and did it with dignity and reacted in the correct way when they got into the ground.The 2nd march they lost the moral high ground as soon as they sat in the road and also some had the Wotte out banners.

Nothing to do with whether I agree with him or not, don't judge others by your own standards. Clearly he has no idea what he is talking about some of the time (not surprising, no history with the club so thats not a criticism). But he should stick to his job of managing/coaching the team. He doesn't need to get involved in the other stuff, and by doing so only antagonises some supporters whatever he says. I don't think Burley, JP, NP or others really ever spoke about the politics, Wotte should follow these examples. If you want to encourage supporters, don't antagonise them, just win games and play good football.

[Gingeletiss]

Why should he? Just because he says what you dont like. He will obviously be more pro the current regime as they appointed him. Get over it, he will tow the club line no different to any other manager.

 

Agreed

 

Many of the campaigners believe they are doing it for the best,

 

They were

 

but that doesnt mean they are right.

They think they are, as do I

 

Unless they know the full facts how can they make a correct judgement?

 

The facts are there, in the public domain, but your in denial nick, you just can't see what he has done.

 

 

I respect the marchers as they did it for the right reasons and did it with dignity and reacted in the correct way when they got into the ground.The 2nd march they lost the moral high ground

 

Why???

 

as soon as they sat in the road and also some had the Wotte out banners.

 

Explained, but WTF, it's wasted on you.

 

 

Same post different thread.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

My recollection is that when news of the Dutch duo leaked out there was a lot of fuss about the suspected appointment. Whilst all that was kicking off Burley was a late entrant to the race for the job and was given it on Woodward's say so.

 

Still what ever the truth of the matter, Lowe is not here any more and Wotte is.

 

But it was Woodward according to the article who proposed Wotte?

[Right sider]

I remember the news breaking on the BBC and having a bit of intrigue, was almost sold on the idea when GB was announced, felt a bit disappointed. I don't remember any fuss at the time.

[LostBoys]

I remember his name as being one of the potential appointments but there was never any protest or fan backlash Burley was chosen by the board. I do wish that Mr Wotte would not get embroiled in rewriting history at Lowe's behest rather like his comments at the fans involved in the protests (like me)

[hypochondriac]

I do wish that Wotte would just stick to matters on the pitch.

[Gorgiesaint]

Have no recollection of any fans backlash against Wotte before, only vaguely remember him being mentioned as being wanted by Woodward at the time. Then out of the blue along comes Burley. Given the CVs of these two I'm hardly surprised that Lowe went for Burley, I'm equally surprised that if Wotte was offered the job and this was then withdrawn that he didn't tell Rupert later to stuff his offer, appalling treatment.

 

Nevertheless what it does show is that CVs can be worthless. Maybe Woodward actually had more vision than Lowe (not much of a shock there), as we found out with Burley and his appalling tenure at Saints, buoyed only by the time we were able to employ Snodin as assistant). It would be interesting to consider where we might be now if Woodward's view had prevailed. Of course we will never know, and its probably also still to early to judge Wotte based on 3 vistories, but he has certainly turned things round faster than Burley ever did.

 

My one big criticism of Wotte remains that he should keep his mouth shut about non-football matters. As a case in point why was the club statement about BWP and Mcg made by Wotte? This should come from one of the Chairmen, not the head Coach. His continued attacks agianst the supporters is also bad form. If he sticks to football and gets results, supporters will respect him.

 

Would agree with your comments around why would Wotte come back if he was treated that badly.

 

Yes, Wotte does need to keep quiet about certain issues - Best & Blackstock all happened before he joined so has nothing to do with him. However, I would expect him to comment regarding BWP & DMG - as an example, look at Ashley Cole this week - didn't see too many statements from Abramovich or Kenyon but did see Hiddink commenting about it.

[OldNick]

Same post different thread.

Where was it explained.Where is Connors piece so I can read it?

i have also explained to you in reply why i think it was a mistake sitting in the road.

As for the facts in the public domain, do you know the financial restraints of the club day to day? I dont, we also dont know the banks wishes. I have read Wotte's full piece in the Echo now and he is perhaps antogonistic to some who stay away.That may not help him cement his place in the fans altime favourites, but i can understand where he is coming from in what he said.

You believe you/they are right, I say unless you know the full facts how can you tell? You can obviously see things you dont like about RL, we all can, but also we dont know what has been forced upon him.

Jan was a big mistake especially the length of time he was there(although at 1 stage he was about 7 points clear of the bottom 3,no marches then)

I chuckled when I read your post and saw the most recent error in your grammar by the way.

[SaintRobbie]

The interview provoked a few questions for me. Does anyone remember fans protesting? I can remember there were rumours that SCW had head hunted a Dutch duo but cannot remember the fans being in uproar or any sort of backlash?

 

They weren't - the fans were NOT involved in Burley's selection. The situation at the time was Burley came for an interview despite the fact that Lowe had lined up Wotte to start the youth experiment 2 years ago. Burley performed so well in interview with the board that he blew away the competition and inspired the board to appoint him. It had nothing to do with the fans at all. Frankly, Wotte's suggestion it was is insulting, but then he's slagged us over on average once ever 2 weeks since taking over as coach, so we shouldnt be surprised. Burley was better (believe it or not!) - that's why Burley got the job.

 

Also I guess one camp (Lowe, Cowe, Richards and Sir Clive) wanted to appoint Wotte and the others (Gordon, Wiseman and Hunt?) wanted Burley. If this is the case this was the 2nd time Lowe's first choice of manager had been vetoed by his fellow board members or did Rupert suddenly get cold feet and plump for Burley?

I certainly believe Lowe felt humiliated. The board saw a chance for success - which Burley nearly devlivered. Lowe's plan would have been a risk or at best a recipe for a long drawnout period in the CCC. Burley's appointment generated optimism at the time. In fact many of us couldnt believe we'd got him.

 

Finally I wonder why if Wotte had been Rupert's man in 2005 why he preferred to give JP the role this time around and offer Wotte the lesser job. Was it because in case of failure JP would be a lot more expendable?

Duncan, as they say in Holland;' 'nothing sticks to the schnake (Wotte).' It is certainly an interesting question. But then Wotte has been central to this whole strategy since its inception. He is not a new man - he was its engineer. I seem to remember someone else partnering Wotte at the time anyway - not JP but another name was linked. Difficult question to speculate on, but interesting that Wotte is not well regarded in his native Holland.

 

The interview has been featured over the last two evenings in the Echo and is quite interesting as well as getting to the heart of Wotte's philosophy on the game itself. There is a final piece today.

 

Wotte is part of the problem, not the solution.

[SaintRobbie]

I do wish that Wotte would just stick to matters on the pitch.

 

Couldnt agree more, but we shouldnt forget that Wotte has been central to the Lowe strategy for years OFF the pitch. No wonder he keeps making rash statements, particularly with regards to us - the fans.

[SaintRobbie]

But it was Woodward according to the article who proposed Wotte?

 

SCW had gone to Holland to speak to Wotte and others. SCW had therefore been involved in the recommendation... as well as Simon Clifford's of course.

[Weston Saint]

SCW had gone to Holland to speak to Wotte and others. SCW had therefore been involved in the recommendation... as well as Simon Clifford's of course.

 

Really, you know this do you? Only Clifford left Southamptom in November and Harry was still our Manager then! The search for a new manager was after HR resigned.

 

You do have a habit of dressing up your opinions as facts.

[SaintRobbie]

Really, you know this do you? Only Clifford left Southamptom in November and Harry was still our Manager then! The search for a new manager was after HR resigned.

 

You do have a habit of dressing up your opinions as facts.

 

I seem to recall SCW was following Harry like a unwanted puppy at the time. Sorry - you're saying Harry recommended Clifford? LOL.

 

I am pretty sure it was SCW as Director of Football.

 

SCW definately went to Holland to look at Wotte. I remember it well Weston. Basset was manager actually.

Edited 8 March, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[SaintRobbie]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article138733.ece

 

Didnt take much effort to find this.

[Weston Saint]

I seem to recall SCW was following Harry like a unwanted puppy at the time. Sorry - you're saying Harry recommended Clifford? LOL.

 

I am pretty sure it was SCW as Director of Football.

 

SCW definately went to Holland to look at Wotte. I remember it well Weston.

Sorry I read it that you were saying Clifford had a hand in recommending Wotte. I see what you are saying now.

[SaintRobbie]

Sorry I read it that you were saying Clifford had a hand in recommending Wotte. I see what you are saying now.

 

Oh... no .... certainly not! LOL!! In retrospect, I think Clifford actually had been exposed as a 'conman' by Harry by then and had left fairly quietly.

[Legod Third Coming]

My recollection is that when news of the Dutch duo leaked out there was a lot of fuss about the suspected appointment. Whilst all that was kicking off Burley was a late entrant to the race for the job and was given it on Woodward's say so.

 

Still what ever the truth of the matter, Lowe is not here any more and Wotte is.

 

 

My recollection is that we were all in a state of dismay that Lowe had appointed a fecking rugby coach to Director of Football and that we can trace back a downward spiral at this club to the day we lost Strachan.

 

Everything after that has been b0ll0cks, plain and simple.

[SaintRobbie]

My recollection is that we were all in a state of dismay that Lowe had appointed a fecking rugby coach to Director of Football and that we can trace back a downward spiral at this club to the day we lost Strachan.

 

Everything after that has been b0ll0cks, plain and simple.

 

I think thats fair - but I think you can go back afew more months to when Lowe failed to back WGS in the transfer market to reinforce a poor premiership midfield. That put WGS off staying. He knew that despite riding high by Christmas in the table Saints were punching above their weight. WGS knew the team was not going anywhere other than down from that point and IMHO made his mind up to go then.

[Legod Third Coming]

I think thats fair - but I think you can go back afew more months to when Lowe failed to back WGS in the transfer market to reinforce a poor premiership midfield. That put WGS off staying. He knew that despite riding high by Christmas in the table Saints were punching above their weight. WGS knew the team was not going anywhere other than down from that point and IMHO made his mind up to go then.

 

It is obvious to all but the most ardent Rupert supporter that we had an opportunity in 2003 to retain the nucleas of a good squad and add to it.

 

Instead, we sold Bridge and failed to use the money to strengthen elsewhere to attain the mythical next level (in other words, simply improve on where we were). We all know the players WGS wanted but was not allowed to have - Drogba, Mido, Malbranque...

 

But that's Rupert, he does not believe in inevesting in quality footballers - but rather prefers radio stations, catering and bloated squads of young, not quite good enough, footballers...