The King is dead. Long live the King!

[Nineteen Canteen]

What about the option to retain Pearson and not employ the farcial Revolutionary Coaching Set Up?

 

What about the option not to buy Schneiderlin and instead use that money to perhaps fund some more experienced players?

 

What about the option not to bring in Robertson, Pekhart, Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, Smith etc etc etc and instead use that money to fund some players who really would contribute to the team?

 

What about the option of using some of the existing players rather than freezing them out?

 

What about the options of playing more traditional tatcis as opposed to the flop that was Totale Voetball?

 

What about the option of putting out a side under a manager who knew what he was doing, winning some games and getting more bums on seats and therefore getting more revenue???

 

Yeah, you're right, there was only way of going about this and it involved appointing a manager more at home in the Wessex League who knew fck all about the English game and led us to the brink of relegation and subsequent administration:rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Forget options, Total Voetball just had to happen:---):smt017

 

We both know administration was becoming a reality this time last year and unless you have a seat on the board we can only summise the answer to your questions but basically I'm sure everything was done with cost in mind and the fact that Pearson would not have fitted in with the cost cutting regime and as great managers go simply wasn't worth the risk and was as unproven as JP.

[um pahars]

We both know administration was becoming a reality this time last year and unless you have a seat on the board we can only summise the answer to your questions but basically I'm sure everything was done with cost in mind and the fact that Pearson would not have fitted in with the cost cutting regime and as great managers go simply wasn't worth the risk and was as unproven as JP.

 

Except spending money on Schneirderlin.

 

Except spending money on Gasmi, Pulis, Pekhart, Robertson, Smith, Forecast etc etc etc

 

Except spending money getting Poortvliet in and out.

 

No other options, we just had to go Dutch, it's in the Football Chairmanship For Dummies 4th Edition, where it says:

 

"If you're tight for money, you only have one option, appoint an absolute no hoper from the lower leagues of European Football, bring in loads of players who won't contribute and spend what little money you have on some speculative buys".

 

 

As for Pearson not fitting in with the cost cutting exercise, then here's his really expensively assembled starting line up from the weekend:

 

Stockdale, 23

 

Gilbert, 21 (loanee)

 

Morrison, 20

 

Hobbs, 20 (loanee)

 

Mattock 18

 

Cleverley, 19 (loanee)

 

Oakley 31

 

King 20

 

Gradel, 21

 

Fryatt, 22

 

Howard 32

 

 

He would never play the youngsters would he?:---)

[Gorgiesaint]

No need to get boisterous just because you don't agree with my opinion that Wotte is far superior manager to Pearson and that shall be proven next season. Remind me why Pearson signed Wright? Did he identify a goalkeeping weakness in our squad or did he kneejerk to the unprecedented event of all 3 keepers being injured at the same time. No he reacted OUTSIDE OF THE TRANSFER WINDOW and brought in an emergency loanIMO that one freak event kept us up more than any influence Pearson had and we continue to overlook the talent of Pericard. What talent? Pearson also overlooked all the talent in our youth and play the balance of youth and experience we all seem to agree on. Gillett and Lallana were given bit parts and should have been used more for a manager so keen on Youth. Sorry but he can't overlook all the talent AND play a balance. Gillett & Lallana should have been used more, are you suggesting that we our fight for survival should have been domintaed by our young home-grown players - worked well this year hasn't it?

 

Do you accept Lucketti was our only option to take a CB on loan instead of signing an even better player who could at least be available for all remaining games. Gemmel talks about the fact we couldn't give him a contract because of the fact Lowe requested the EGM but doesn't it cross anyone's mind that we didn't have a pot to **** in by them and the EGM was a convienient smokescreen for Crouch to throw up? You've contradicted yourself here - Lucketti's not good enough & we should have signed someone better (except we don't have the money):confused:

 

Compare Leicester to Leeds I don't think the former started off with -29 points did they? Also a big result on Saturday to stop the decline in results against a team bottom of the league and every player on the transfer list. Blimey Weymouth could give Cheltenham a game at the moment.

 

People need to start looking at stats and facts in context of todays world and the introduction of Sky TV if we are going to compare the past 12 years with the previous 50!

 

Not so much on a different planet 19-C but in a different galaxy!!

[Tamesaint]

Do you think that Nineteen Canteen / Sundance Beast is just a character made up by the mods to encourage people to read this forum?? Are they trying to see how many people will join the forum to read the latest from him ??

 

There have been some classics from him recently but to say that Liptak is the new Killer whilst Lucketti was a poor signing demonstrates a touch of surrealism that not many would try to get away with. It certainly is amusing.

 

Do other forums have a similar character ?? For example if you log onto "Pompey Scum" or whatever their fans forum is called , will you find a character similarly surreal???

[benjii]

No need to get boisterous just because you don't agree with my opinion that Wotte is far superior manager to Pearson and that shall be proven next season. Remind me why Pearson signed Wright? Did he identify a goalkeeping weakness in our squad or did he kneejerk to the unprecedented event of all 3 keepers being injured at the same time. IMO that one freak event kept us up more than any influence Pearson had and we continue to overlook the talent of Pericard. Pearson also overlooked all the talent in our youth and play the balance of youth and experience we all seem to agree on. Gillett and Lallana were given bit parts and should have been used more for a manager so keen on Youth.

 

Do you accept Lucketti was our only option to take a CB on loan instead of signing an even better player who could at least be available for all remaining games. Gemmel talks about the fact we couldn't give him a contract because of the fact Lowe requested the EGM but doesn't it cross anyone's mind that we didn't have a pot to **** in by them and the EGM was a convienient smokescreen for Crouch to throw up?

 

Compare Leicester to Leeds I don't think the former started off with -29 points did they? Also a big result on Saturday to stop the decline in results against a team bottom of the league and every player on the transfer list. Blimey Weymouth could give Cheltenham a game at the moment.

 

People need to start looking at stats and facts in context of todays world and the introduction of Sky TV if we are going to compare the past 12 years with the previous 50!

 

 

That's a new one.

[Whitey Grandad]

Do other forums have a similar character ?? For example if you log onto "Pompey Scum" or whatever their fans forum is called , will you find a character similarly surreal???

Surely no true gentleman would ever do such a thing.

 

It's tempting though, isn't it?

[Wes Tender]

Let's cut to the chase, Nineteen Canteen.

 

I'll just ask you a few questions to which you can reply with a simple yes or no.

 

1) Is it desirable to have a high turnover of managers, or is it better to have stability?

2) Are you happy that the architect of our current parlous financial situation is currently the Chairman of the football board?

3) Are you happy that he enabled the return of the individual who was most responsible for our relegation from the top flight of football after 27 years?

4) Even though there can never be unity within the fan base while these two individuals are in charge, do you think that it is still desirable that they continue?

5a) Can you ever win anything by playing kids? 5b) Can you even survive at this level playing kids?

6) Is it a good idea when attempting to establish a firm base in this division on which to build, that one dismisses a perfectly capable manager experienced in British football at this level.

7) Is it a good idea to then replace said manager with a couple of foreign managers not only inexperienced at this level, but also having no experience of British football at all?

8 ) Was it a good idea simultaneously to allow all three of our most potent strikers out on loan, two of them to rival teams in this division and replace them with our youth striker and other teams' youth strikers brought in on loan?

9) What amount should be charged to watch this youth team? a) the same as we paid to watch us play Chelsea, ManUre, Arsenal, Liverpool, etc. b) Less; in line with the average teams in this division. c) Much less, in line with the bottom clubs in this division, which is what we are.

10) Is Dutch total football at this club dead? Was it ever a real possibility given that we had lower league Dutch managers attempting to teach it to mainly British youngsters playing in a British league?

11) Should the hapless Poortvliet have been given as much time as he was before he fell on his sword? After all, it might very well be too late to ensure our survival in this division, barring a miracle.

12) If we are indeed relegated again, would you then call for Lowe and Wilde to go, or do you think that Lowe ought to go for the fourth division and his hat trick?

Edited 9 March, 2009 by Wes Tender

[Daren W]

No need to get boisterous just because you don't agree with my opinion that Wotte is far superior manager to Pearson and that shall be proven next season. Remind me why Pearson signed Wright? Did he identify a goalkeeping weakness in our squad or did he kneejerk to the unprecedented event of all 3 keepers being injured at the same time. IMO that one freak event kept us up more than any influence Pearson had and we continue to overlook the talent of Pericard. Pearson also overlooked all the talent in our youth and play the balance of youth and experience we all seem to agree on. Gillett and Lallana were given bit parts and should have been used more for a manager so keen on Youth.

 

Wright?? Who cares if it was "knee jerk signing" or a stroke of genius, it was still a bloody good signing. The talent of Pericard??? THE TALENT OF PERICARD?? Did you ever see him play?? Is that the best argument you can up with??? Pitiful, really pitiful...

The youth? The same youth that has taken us to relegation candidates this season? Are you even paying attention to the drivel you're posting? Pearson brought in some much needed experience and kept us up. Poortvielt used the likes of Gillet and Lallana and we're second from bottom? Do you think before you post????

 

Do you accept Lucketti was our only option to take a CB on loan instead of signing an even better player who could at least be available for all remaining games.

 

So now he's gone from a ridiculous signing to what? There could have been an even better player that Lucketi's presence was stopping us signing?? And we didn't "have a pot to **** in?" So were these amazing players? Please enlighten us...

 

Gemmel talks about the fact we couldn't give him a contract because of the fact Lowe requested the EGM but doesn't it cross anyone's mind that we didn't have a pot to **** in by them and the EGM was a convienient smokescreen for Crouch to throw up?

 

Oh my god, now you're inventing stuff. It was Crouch throwing up a smokescreen rather than Lowe making a bid for power during our darkest moment? You couldn't make it up... Oops! You just did...

 

Compare Leicester to Leeds I don't think the former started off with -29 points did they? Also a big result on Saturday to stop the decline in results against a team bottom of the league and every player on the transfer list. Blimey Weymouth could give Cheltenham a game at the moment.

 

Right.... That was last season Einstein. What are Leeds doing this season? Walking the league? No? Surely Not? It's easy isn't it?

 

People need to start looking at stats and facts in context of todays world and the introduction of Sky TV if we are going to compare the past 12 years with the previous 50!

 

Oh we've looked at the stats. The stats say Pearson is going up as the manager of the title winning team. We're going down... You do the maths...

 

 

 

Jeez, do you even think before you try to be controversial??....

Edited 10 March, 2009 by Daren W

[Daren W]

We both know administration was becoming a reality this time last year and unless you have a seat on the board we can only summise the answer to your questions but basically I'm sure everything was done with cost in mind and the fact that Pearson would not have fitted in with the cost cutting regime and as great managers go simply wasn't worth the risk and was as unproven as JP.

 

 

So you know nothing and are assuming everything.

You say Pearson wasn't worth the risk,but Poortvielt was? He must have been as he replaced Pearson.

In fact your whole argument on this entire thread is based on absolutely factless nonsense.

Possible smokecreens from Crouch...

Possible better signings than Lucketti...

The sort of manager you think Pearson will be rather than the type of manager the stats say he is...

The sort of players you think the youth team lads will be rather than what they actually are...

It's based on ifs whats and maybes with you, dressed up with a pretty ink bow and paraded as the truth when they are so far away from it as being laughable...

 

Fact: Pearson is proving to be a better manager than Poortvielt

Fact: The youth above all else experiment has failed and put us perilously close to relegation

Fact: A fair portion of the players brought in by Portvielt, bar Siejs have proved to be useless.

Fact:Lowe's great experiment has proved to be a disaster and we're now reliant on great experiment number two to pull us out of the ****e. He is the twelfth manager in ten years under Lowe...

In the meantime, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could refrain from slagging off Pearson and try to concentrate on the point at hand...

THE MESS THAT RUPERT LOWE HAS CREATED...

[70's Mike]

True enough Mike but it was simply a matter of options and we had one option if the bank was going to allow us to continue trading.

 

 

that is where we differ, i totally agree money was an issue but my beef is about how we chose to spend it.

Until the half year accounts come out we do not know the truth but buying Morgan AND paying wages to every waif and stray to prove a point was just madness.

[Frank's cousin]

Simple points sometimes put things in perspective...lets forget the rhetoric and taking of sides...can we consider the following...41 years..3 chairmen..6 managers (Reader,Woodford,Askham and Bates,McMenemy,Nicholl,Branfoot,Ball,Merrington....27 years in top division) and Rupert..11 years...1 Chairman/CEO/Director of Football/Farmer...11 managers (Souness,Jones,Hoddle,Gray,Strachan,Sturrock,Wigley,Redknapp,Pearson,Poortvliet,Wotte...oh and relegation from top division!!) Very sad but very true.

You can try and dress it up in any way you wish but lets be fair....unbelievable!!

 

YOu cant argue with stats, but you can interopret them in many ways... NO doubt about it we have had far too many managers during the LOwe years - but we also lost that long term continuity after LM left NIcholl, Branfoot, Ball and Merrington, none of which had a long term tenure... so what happened? Sure Lowe has got through his fair share but if being honest, the genuine mistakes that needed to be rectified would be Gray, Wigley, Poortfliet and possibly sturrock/Wotte depending on your POV, which kind of means 6/11 were good choices and there are a number of reasons why these did not work out. So what changed after LM? Money in the game - the gradual and then dramatic increase in the differential between the top flight and the then 2nd div. During the 70s and 80s, there was not a great deal of difference a club could expect between income in the 1st div and income in the 2nd, it meant that relegation although painful from a fans perspective was not a diaster it has become from a clubs perspective - the pressure on chairman were different - LM took us down as a young manager but in an era where he could be given time to learn his trade - a few years later we win teh cup and then get promoted... Today the fear of relegation is not pride and ego dmage but purely financial - the pressure on clubs to change before its too late means managers come and go the moment there is a threat to the league standing - anything to avoid the drop...why else 'arry at Saints?

 

First canme the change in gate sharing - reducing the income of clubs with the smallest grounds dramatically, then the Taylor rport and all seater stadia reducing it even further and then the sky millions creating the revue gaps... football changed and so did the 'patience' clubs could afford to have - thats not excusing Lowes revolving door, but its not just Saints - its most clubs of our size and position, especially those without a bankrolling sugar Daddy.

Edited 10 March, 2009 by Frank's cousin

[saintmatt]

i had promotion down as a dead cert after derby away.jan was most definitely the man for me at that point

[Nineteen Canteen]

Blimey just a touch hysterical yesterday. The talent of Pericard? Do some of you not understand irony. I was merely recognising some of the great Pearson unforced (i.e not Wright) loan signings (more irony) and I still remain convinced that we could have got a CB of the equal or better than Lucketti who could have played our last handful of games. Didn't require much foresight did it? Where does better necessarily mean more money? Saejis or Thomas? Schneirderlin or Skacel? I could list a few more but then I would just be doing an UM trying to fabricate a few examples when 1 or 2 makes the point.

 

Tamesaint nice touch about the plant to boost the forum but I know many fans who don't come on this site with similar (that's similar not necessarily same, ok Daren) views to myself but can't be bothered to join let alone post because of the negativity and bullying. For those who actually just want to support the club and comment accordingly this forum is depressing without some vociferously single minded and opinionated half-wits slagging them off just because they can't respond astutely to fair comment that may question their ill-conceived and petty agendas.

 

Tame FWIW I am actually enjoying the banter with your goodself at the moment and that unlike a few recent posters on this thread I'm trusting you agree with the great Edward De Bono he of the many hats, when he said:

 

'If you never change your mind, why have one?'

 

When this club stays up at the end of the season and remains trading there are going to be about 500 bitter and twisted individuals trying to work out where it all went wrong. Alternatively they could change their mind and drop the negativity today.

 

Revolutionary? where would the world be if we based all our decisions on the basis that it worked last time? For that alone I applaud the Dutch experiment because if it had come off we would have been hailed ground breakers and in such difficult times it was the time to try otherwise UM would have keeled over if Lowe had tried it in the Premiership, funny though that would have been. Many successful outcomes in life are random or worse lucky (Pearson/Wright) and sometimes its a good idea to take the contrary view even though some are hard coded to over react or spontaneously combust as evidenced by some hysterical and manic outbursts.

 

The remnants of the Dutch experiment is still with us and proving the theory was not a total waste of time. Goes to show how important a little insurance is, may reduce your profit/increase your costs but eliminates or reduces the risks of disaster so perhaps the anti-Lowes were wrong to label it a Dutch experiment more a calculated risk.

 

Unlike many on here I am thoroughly looking forward to the last 10 games of the season with one wary eye on the financials and the market in general. Survive this season and remain in the CCC and we have the structure in place to take this club forward and forget the disaster of the previous two seasons.

[Nineteen Canteen]

So you know nothing and are assuming everything.

You say Pearson wasn't worth the risk,but Poortvielt was? He must have been as he replaced Pearson.

In fact your whole argument on this entire thread is based on absolutely factless nonsense.

Possible smokecreens from Crouch...

Possible better signings than Lucketti...

The sort of manager you think Pearson will be rather than the type of manager the stats say he is...

The sort of players you think the youth team lads will be rather than what they actually are...

It's based on ifs whats and maybes with you, dressed up with a pretty ink bow and paraded as the truth when they are so far away from it as being laughable...

 

Fact: Pearson is proving to be a better manager than Poortvielt

Fact: The youth above all else experiment has failed and put us perilously close to relegation

Fact: A fair portion of the players brought in by Portvielt, bar Siejs have proved to be useless.

Fact:Lowe's great experiment has proved to be a disaster and we're now reliant on great experiment number two to pull us out of the ****e. He is the twelfth manager in ten years under Lowe...

In the meantime, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it if you could refrain from slagging off Pearson and try to concentrate on the point at hand...

THE MESS THAT RUPERT LOWE HAS CREATED...

 

As oppose to the mess Rupert Lowe has been trying to address? Open your mind Daren. I would address your selective 'facts' but i don't want to put an egg in everyone else's mouth who can see where your facts fall down. No point in having two eyes if you only use one.

[Gingeletiss]

accordingly this forum is depressing without some vociferously single minded and opinionated half-wits slagging them off just because they can't respond astutely to fair comment that may question their ill-conceived and petty agendas.

 

:smt082

 

When this club stays up at the end of the season and remains trading there are going to be about 500 bitter and twisted individuals trying to work out where it all went wrong.

 

:smt082

 

Revolutionary? where would the world be if we based all our decisions on the basis that it worked last time? For that alone I applaud the Dutch experiment because if it had come off we would have been hailed ground breakers and in such difficult times it was the time to try otherwise

 

:smt082

 

The remnants of the Dutch experiment is still with us and proving the theory was not a total waste of time.

 

:smt082

 

:smt081:smt081:smt081 A pint of what you're on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nineteen Canteen]

that is where we differ, i totally agree money was an issue but my beef is about how we chose to spend it.

Until the half year accounts come out we do not know the truth but buying Morgan AND paying wages to every waif and stray to prove a point was just madness.

 

But you could go back through every manager and chairman combination and find fault with many players we have signed, sold or loaned in and out. Schneiderlin will prove a decent investment and should return a profit and we stlll need to wheel and deal and Crouch had to cash in on our previous sales of the family china.

 

Yes we made some bad buys/loan signings but we made some good ones to. Cork Holmes and Wotton have been used to good effect and the jury is out still on Molyneux but has to be a better and cheaper option than Skacel eventually.

Skacel has never represented value for money by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Loaning Saga was a mistake but did we have an option? We can only interpret the accounts but that won't show the cashflow at that time or bank pressure. John and Rasiak (work rate) I don't think would have helped our cause and probably had to go anyway because of their wages so the argument is redundant to a degree. Pekhart was a mistake but hardly a costly one. Leaving us rightly to question Pulis and Gasmi assuming we agree Liptak still needs a chance and we need defenders.

 

I can't work out Pulis and Gasmi but I can't work out the Rubiks cube either and I'm not going to waste my energy on either. Importantly things are looking better and we have a manager of apparent character and quality. MOney and market conditions remain the major concern. 60 points though and that might not be a disaster provided we get a buyer. Actually disaster in the making if said buyer logs on here!

[SaintRobbie]

Trouble is most can't see them because of their blind hatred of the man trying to save us.

 

That's the whole reason why he fails 19.

 

He has caused blind hatred through arrogance, ineptitude, poor decision-making, appalling appointments.

 

He has LIED, according to more respected shareholders, he has no integrity.He is a bully. He has toyed with SFC on a whim of a youth experiement which is now over and has failed.

 

He fails every time and the reason he is hated is because he IS a loser. When will you get it? It doesnt matter whether Lowe is a genius (he isnt incidentally) what matters is there is NO CONFIDENCE in our leader. No confidence = no optimism. No optimism = falling gates. Falling gates = failing club. Failing club = death of SFC.

 

So you see, it isnt due to the fans not going - its due to the appeal of the leadership. Hatred of Lowe is killing this club... but it 1. Isnt going away and 2. Is deserved.

 

So there is only one answer: Lowe must leave this club for good.

[Gingeletiss]

As oppose to the mess Rupert Lowe has been trying to address? Open your mind Daren. I would address your selective 'facts' but i don't want to put an egg in everyone else's mouth who can see where your facts fall down. No point in having two eyes if you only use one.

 

 

LOL......At least we know what you do for a living, what's your stage name????

[Nineteen Canteen]

:smt081:smt081:smt081 A pint of what you're on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

De Bono obviously knew very little. If the cap fits Ginger you keep wearing it mate.

[Gingeletiss]

and Crouch had to cash in on our previous sales of the family china.

 

You are aware, that he was only in charge four months, yet you continue to disparage him, as if he had the same amount of time to f*ck up as your hero Lowe

[SaintRobbie]

Crouch didnt 'fail'. He didnt set the world alight I grant you. But, he gambled and nearly put us back in the Premiership. He showed guts and produced optimism, hell even the pitch invasion at the end of last season when we just stayed up was underpinned by optimism. IF we stay up this time - will the pitch invasion be a happy one or a protest against Lowe? mmmm... I think we know the answer.

 

What's more, when Crouch left he had at least attempted to put in a financial solution to sort out the club and the Premiership gamble - the SISU deal. Strangely the shareholders didnt take it. Why was that 19? Why did Rupert insist on returning, refusing a takeover that would have provided money and a manager worth his salt (a la Coventry) in order to fulfill his super idea of youth football?

 

Why?

 

Arrogance and ineptitude perhaps?

Edited 10 March, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[Frank's cousin]

You are aware, that he was only in charge four months, yet you continue to disparage him, as if he had the same amount of time to f*ck up as your hero Lowe

 

Think the pint is though, that we were expecting/promised to hit the ground running with an end to the mistakes of the past - Crouch did indeed put football first as he promised which is why it sits so well with fans - excellent froma pure footballing perspective, but its at what cost that is being debated, and that was a rather cavalier attidue to the finances from the way the cash assetts and player sales net revenues where very quickly swallowed up - ceratinly in major part during Wildes tenure, but also by Crouch when it should have been very clear the predicament we would find ourselves in if the the rot was not instantly stopped...

[Nineteen Canteen]

That's the whole reason why he fails 19.

 

He has caused blind hatred through arrogance, ineptitude, poor decision-making, appalling appointments.

 

He has LIED, according to more respected shareholders, he has no integrity.He is a bully. He has toyed with SFC on a whim of a youth experiement which is now over and has failed.

 

He fails every time and the reason he is hated is because he IS a loser. When will you get it? It doesnt matter whether Lowe is a genius (he isnt incidentally) what matters is there is NO CONFIDENCE in our leader. No confidence = no optimism. No optimism = falling gates. Falling gates = failing club. Failing club = death of SFC.

 

So you see, it isnt due to the fans not going - its due to the appeal of the leadership. Hatred of Lowe is killing this club... but it 1. Isnt going away and 2. Is deserved.

 

So there is only one answer: Lowe must leave this club for good.

 

If you said this in 2003 then I would listen but now you are just after-timing. Lowe is trying to turn the club around and looks on the cusp of achieving it and get us back at least to a position we were in before has was ousted. Until this club is taken over with sufficient investment for the shareholders to sell and for the club to move forward in Lowe we must trust.

 

Prejudice is sadly easy to imitate but not so easy to explain or understand when put under the microscope.

 

There is not only one answer: The fans (on this forum) could actually try and look at the issues in context and support Lowe and the rest of the board as they try and arrest two years of decline and bad management.

[Wes Tender]

Blimey just a touch hysterical yesterday. The talent of Pericard? Do some of you not understand irony. I was merely recognising some of the great Pearson unforced (i.e not Wright) loan signings (more irony) and I still remain convinced that we could have got a CB of the equal or better than Lucketti who could have played our last handful of games. Didn't require much foresight did it? Where does better necessarily mean more money? Saejis or Thomas? Schneirderlin or Skacel? I could list a few more but then I would just be doing an UM trying to fabricate a few examples when 1 or 2 makes the point.

 

Ok, so as somebody already challenged you, suggest at least one name of a better defender than Lucketti who was not only available, but also affordable. If you can't, then it is suggestive that either you don't know what you are talking about, or else there was not one available. As for your nonsense about Wright, OK, it was fortunate that a goalkeeper of his calibre was available, but please balance up the bad luck that our three goalkeepers were injured with the good fortune that Wright was available.

 

Also. some comment on whether you consider it good business by the hapless Poortvliet to sign Pulis, Smith, Robertson, Gasmi, Pekhart etc would be a good counter balance to your sneering at Pericard.

 

 

Tamesaint nice touch about the plant to boost the forum but I know many fans who don't come on this site with similar (that's similar not necessarily same, ok Daren) views to myself but can't be bothered to join let alone post because of the negativity and bullying. For those who actually just want to support the club and comment accordingly this forum is depressing without some vociferously single minded and opinionated half-wits slagging them off just because they can't respond astutely to fair comment that may question their ill-conceived and petty agendas.

 

So it's really the fault of those with similar views to your good self worrying that they might be bullied or can't endure negativity that the forum is not more balanced. Equally of course, it could also be argued that there are some vociferously single-minded and opinionated half-wits in the opposite camp and at least they have the balls to uphold their viewpoint in the face of opposing views to their own. As for whether views on here are ill-concieved or petty, then I assume that you set yourself up as an arbiter as to what constitutes fair comment. Or are you more modest and have more humility about you?

 

Tame FWIW I am actually enjoying the banter with your goodself at the moment and that unlike a few recent posters on this thread I'm trusting you agree with the great Edward De Bono he of the many hats, when he said:

 

'If you never change your mind, why have one?'

 

When this club stays up at the end of the season and remains trading there are going to be about 500 bitter and twisted individuals trying to work out where it all went wrong. Alternatively they could change their mind and drop the negativity today.

 

We've been over this negative / realist debate many times before. Kindly point out examples of which posters you have in mind who would like the club to suffer even as a result of Lowe and the Quisling's inept performances. Most would say that although they would be jubilant at the departure of those two, they do not wish ill on the club. But still, 500 should give you an easy list of several names who immediately spring to mind. Let's have few for starters.

 

Revolutionary? where would the world be if we based all our decisions on the basis that it worked last time? For that alone I applaud the Dutch experiment because if it had come off we would have been hailed ground breakers and in such difficult times it was the time to try otherwise UM would have keeled over if Lowe had tried it in the Premiership, funny though that would have been. Many successful outcomes in life are random or worse lucky (Pearson/Wright) and sometimes its a good idea to take the contrary view even though some are hard coded to over react or spontaneously combust as evidenced by some hysterical and manic outbursts.

 

So you're basically admitting that the Dutch experiment did NOT come off.

 

The remnants of the Dutch experiment is still with us and proving the theory was not a total waste of time.

 

So our position in a struggle for survival and the loss of confidence of the youngsters, falling gate receipts, all as a result of the mad experiment, all worth it. That's OK then.

 

Goes to show how important a little insurance is, may reduce your profit/increase your costs but eliminates or reduces the risks of disaster so perhaps the anti-Lowes were wrong to label it a Dutch experiment more a calculated risk.

 

It was a mad experiment. Calculated risks have positive known factors in their favour, not unknown managers, inexperienced kids, alien tactics.

 

Unlike many on here I am thoroughly looking forward to the last 10 games of the season with one wary eye on the financials and the market in general. Survive this season and remain in the CCC and we have the structure in place to take this club forward and forget the disaster of the previous two seasons.

 

Not while Lowe and Wilde remain we don't.

[alehouseboys]

There is not only one answer: The fans (on this forum) could actually try and look at the issues in context and support Lowe and the rest of the board as they try and arrest two years of decline and bad management.

 

...this "decline and bad management" started 6 years ago...

[Greenridge]

...I was merely recognising some of the great Pearson unforced (i.e not Wright) loan signings (more irony) and I still remain convinced that we could have got a CB of the equal or better than Lucketti who could have played our last handful of games. ...

 

 

SB I'm not sure why you are struggling to grasp the concept that Lucketti was only 'unavailable' for one single, solitary, individual, lone, solo game which sort of makes your whole arguement rather weak I'm afraid. I'm sure you are aware we won that game as well. Not sure why you have such a beef with Pearson but perhaps you could find something more tangible than the Lucketti signing (which was highly succesful) to gripe about.

[um pahars]

I would just be doing an UM trying to fabricate a few examples

 

LOL, we spend most of our time on here correcting your fantasies, fabrications and rewriting of history:---):---)

 

Last thing I heard was Justin Fashanu knocking out spreadsheets analysing the attendances going up under Crouch;)

[View From The Top]

There is not only one answer: The fans (on this forum) could actually try and look at the issues in context and support Lowe and the rest of the board as they try and arrest two years of decline and bad management.

 

Caused by, in the main, the current chairman of the football club and the current chairman of the PLC.

[SW11_Saint]

two years of decline and bad management.

Surely you mean 10 years?

[Tamesaint]

Tame FWIW I am actually enjoying the banter with your goodself at the moment and that unlike a few recent posters on this thread I'm trusting you agree with the great Edward De Bono he of the many hats, when he said:

'If you never change your mind, why have one?'

 

When this club stays up at the end of the season and remains trading there are going to be about 500 bitter and twisted individuals trying to work out where it all went wrong. Alternatively they could change their mind and drop the negativity today.

 

 

I don't recognise that phrase from the great man de Bono. Is that a lyric from the new U2 album ???? I prefer the thoughts of that great man Suggs .... Percy Sugden when he said "Get the B***er to change his mind."

 

Seriously, I am not sure what you mean by 500 bitter and twisted individuals. Are you seriously suggesting that there are 500 Saints fans who so dislike Rupert Lowe that they will be upset if we stay up and remain solvent??

 

If so, I think that you really are again displaying your ignorance of what it means to be a Saints fan. If we stay up , I will be delighted. Ecstatic. I will have fears for next season if Numpty Lowe is still around, sponging off the club but I will be extremely happy. I (and I suspect the vast majority of the anti Lowe hordes) support Southampton first, second and always. You on the other hand, do not support Southampton - you just support Lowe.

 

Your ignorance of what it means to be a football fan is why your views are so derided.

Edited 11 March, 2009 by Tamesaint

[Daren W]

As oppose to the mess Rupert Lowe has been trying to address? Open your mind Daren. I would address your selective 'facts' but i don't want to put an egg in everyone else's mouth who can see where your facts fall down. No point in having two eyes if you only use one.

 

Again, not one point answered...

They happened, ergo they are facts... You can't argue with them and guess what? You don't as you know that as soon as you attempt to answer them you whole pro Lowe ethos falls apart..

 

Sorry but your credance on this messageboard goes down day after day after day.

You won't address the points as you have no answer whatsoever.

Ten years of Rupert Lowe, Twelve managers...

One relegation under him, another seemingly on it's way...

 

For crying out load, wake up and smell the coffee. Whilst you whinge and ***** and snipe at a decent manager and a chairman who was in charge for all of four, five months, this club is facing absolute ruin. A ruination sandwich by Ruport Lowe, with a filling of Michael "Mike" Wilde.

 

The more you drone on and on about Crouch and Pearson, who account for five barely months of this club's history and support a man whose ten year years at this club have seen us slip from top tier survivors to League One wannabes, the more we write off your opinion as being agenda drivel bullsheet...

 

You have no answers, you have credance and most importantly, you have no idea...

Edited 11 March, 2009 by Daren W

[sandwichsaint]

My thoughts at the start of the season were pretty much what is now the consensus: we had an inexperienced and inflexible manager, total voetbal ballacks, the kids would struggle with the mental and physical side, we wouldn't score enough goals, we didn't have a strong enough or a balanced back 4, Killer wouldn't play 10 games, etc etc.

 

I posted at the time that if RL thought we could play a season in the CCC with just 2-3 experienced pro's and fill the side with yoof and inexperienced 20-somethings then in terms of staying in this league we could 'put our collective head between our knees and kiss our ar5es goodbye'....

 

to which some far-sighted poster (and I don't know who it was) replied 'then you'd better get ready to lean forward and pucker up!'

 

Sir, I salute your prescience!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Again, not one point answered...

They happened, ergo they are facts... You can't argue with them and guess what? You don't as you know that as soon as you attempt to answer them you whole pro Lowe ethos falls apart..

 

Sorry but your credance on this messageboard goes down day after day after day.

You won't address the points as you have no answer whatsoever.

Ten years of Rupert Lowe, Twelve managers...

One relegation under him, another seemingly on it's way...

 

For crying out load, wake up and smell the coffee. Whilst you whinge and ***** and snipe at a decent manager and a chairman who was in charge for all of four, five months, this club is facing absolute ruin. A ruination sandwich by Ruport Lowe, with a filling of Michael "Mike" Wilde.

 

The more you drone on and on about Crouch and Pearson, who account for five barely months of this club's history and support a man whose ten year years at this club have seen us slip from top tier survivors to League One wannabes, the more we write off your opinion as being agenda drivel bullsheet...

 

You have no answers, you have credance and most importantly, you have idea...

 

It seems in your case an egg in mouth is required. Shock horror I didn't address your opinions. Perhaps I will the day posters like you and of your kind address all the valid opinions of my own without the associated hysterics. There are many posters on this site who I don't agree with but always happy to enter a reasonable debate with them. Then there are the serial negative extremists whom quite frankly would be like trying to administer the kiss of life to some barely idenitifable form of road kill whilst the magpies and jackdaws picked at the rotting carcass. In other words your past saving your views are as anachronistic as the world in which you would like to live, probably c.1973.

[70's Mike]

It seems in your case an egg in mouth is required. Shock horror I didn't address your opinions. Perhaps I will the day posters like you and of your kind address all the valid opinions of my own without the associated hysterics. There are many posters on this site who I don't agree with but always happy to enter a reasonable debate with them. Then there are the serial negative extremists whom quite frankly would be like trying to administer the kiss of life to some barely idenitifable form of road kill whilst the magpies and jackdaws picked at the rotting carcass. In other words your past saving your views are as anachronistic as the world in which you would like to live, probably c.1973.

 

 

that was the year we were relegated.

at least we had hope then

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don't recognise that phrase from the great man de Bono. Is that a lyric from the new U2 album ???? I prefer the thoughts of that great man Suggs .... Percy Sugden when he said "Get the B***er to change his mind."

 

Seriously, I am not sure what you mean by 500 bitter and twisted individuals. Are you seriously suggesting that there are 500 Saints fans who so dislike Rupert Lowe that they will be upset if we stay up and remain solvent??

 

If so, I think that you really are again displaying your ignorance of what it means to be a Saints fan. If we stay up , I will be delighted. Ecstatic. I will have fears for next season if Numpty Lowe is still around, sponging off the club but I will be extremely happy. I (and I suspect the vast majority of the anti Lowe hordes) support Southampton first, second and always. You on the other hand, do not support Southampton - you just support Lowe.

 

Your ignorance of what it means to be a football fan is why your views are so derided.

 

Tame, I'm usually good at judging a person's character but it seems on this occassion I got it wrong. Shame because if you don't think I don't support Southampton then you are seriously deluded. I support Lowe today and hopefully in the future I will support AN Other. FWIW I even supported Crouch and not for one minute did I consider boycotting the club even though it appeared Crouch seemed intent on putting a big top across the stadium considering the number of clowns he had in support and his fortune telling rhetoric.

 

Do you seriously think that this little hot bed of negativity would be worthy of my time and effort if I was in Lowe's employ (Far bigger issues to resolve than 500 negatively repetitive extremists). I do it simply because I love my club and an attempt to stem the tide of the mainly one-sided and very negative opinion.

[Nineteen Canteen]

that was the year we were relegated.

at least we had hope then

 

Ironic isn't it

[70's Mike]

Ironic isn't it

 

i would call our current position Sad not ironic.

the last 5 years has seen the HOPE squeezed out of Southampton Football Club to be replaced by a monster called Southampton Leisure Holdings.

The sad thing is there are hundreds of businesses within a 20 mile radius of SMS with bigger turnovers than SLH which make profits and provide products/services that their customers want. how come those in charge of SLH over the last 5/6 years have all made such a pigs ear of it.

[Daren W]

It seems in your case an egg in mouth is required. Shock horror I didn't address your opinions. Perhaps I will the day posters like you and of your kind address all the valid opinions of my own without the associated hysterics. There are many posters on this site who I don't agree with but always happy to enter a reasonable debate with them. Then there are the serial negative extremists whom quite frankly would be like trying to administer the kiss of life to some barely idenitifable form of road kill whilst the magpies and jackdaws picked at the rotting carcass. In other words your past saving your views are as anachronistic as the world in which you would like to live, probably c.1973.

 

No, the point is you can't address my points or Um's or any other poster that questions Rupert Lowe. In the meantime, you hide behind this apparent hysteria that upsets you so much. But we all know you can't answer it and your continual avoidance just shows you don't have the intelligence to do so. You want serial negativity? Try moaning about Chris bloody Lucketti to score points against Pearson and Crouch. That's far more pathetic and pedantic than anything the anti Lowe posters could come up with.

 

And again you post your opinion, ad infinitum, ad nauseum but you seem to have a little problem with the word debate... With debate, you have to provide answers when someone questions your opinion and that's something you just don't/can't do. Instead we get a very verbose reply that goes round and round in circles but says nothing. See the above? Over a hundred words that says nothing, absolutely Nothing...

 

For instance...

 

In other words your past saving your views are as anachronistic as the world in which you would like to live, probably c.1973.

 

Is this even English? Or did you cut and paste it without really checking it?

 

This whole thread shows you as the rather dull, one trick, pro Lowe wind up artist more and more people know you to be. SundanceBeast or this new improved family friendly version, you're still saying absolutely nothing and taking 500 words to do so. Defending the indefensible, trying desperatley to deflect attention away from Lowe by blaming anyone other than Lowe himself. Chris Lucketti now... FFS... At what stage will you ever blame the man who will very possibly be responsible for TWO relegations...

 

So please, feel free to mock my intelligence or paint me as some angry, obsessed anti Lowe thug but the sad truth is that you offer nothing to this debate, absolutely nothing. Your points are flawed, your logic is non existent and your obsession with Lowe's plus points is disturbing and worthy of mockery as a pr plant.

 

In other words, until you even begin to address issues other than your own vanity or self importance then frankly, you're just not worth a ****...

 

And if you can't answer a point then please, just don't bloody well bother.... (yawn)

Edited 11 March, 2009 by Daren W

[um pahars]

FWIW I even supported Crouch

 

In your former guise of Sundance Beast you were continually vitriolic and unsupportive of Crouch throughout his tenure, so another case of rewriting history or just fabricating stuff.

 

I agree 100% with TameSaint above who so eloquently highlighted your ignorance of what being a football fan is all about.

 

And I also agree with Daren's assertion that amidst all the bluster, pontificating and bullsht, there is very little substance, and never any menaingful answers.

 

But do carry on, as your protestations, rewriting of history and passing of blame just so reminds of why we so desperately need change at this Club (you're akin to an upmarket version of Scooby;)).

[Frank's cousin]

 

I agree 100% with TameSaint above who so eloquently highlighted your ignorance of what being a football fan is all about.

 

 

Thats quite an arrogant statement - all fans have their OWN way. Being a football fan is 'about' whatever an individual whats it to be... we are all different and have different attitudes to football and are effected by the passions differently. Not everyone believes in the tribalism for instance, or the bandwagon jumping mentality, or in our case the need to hang draw and quarter Lowe and blame him for all ills - some see things from different perspectives - yet there are many whos simply WONT or CANT accept that people see things differently.

[um pahars]

Thats quite an arrogant statement - all fans have their OWN way. Being a football fan is 'about' whatever an individual whats it to be... we are all different and have different attitudes to football and are effected by the passions differently. Not everyone believes in the tribalism for instance' date=' or the bandwagon jumping mentality, or in our case the need to hang draw and quarter Lowe and blame him for all ills - some see things from different perspectives - yet there are many whos simply WONT or CANT accept that people see things differently.[/quote']

 

Re read the original line from TameSaint (and it's context), then read my bit, take it in the context of responding to 19c/Sundance/Falshman/The Bear etc etc etc, then have a think;)

 

You almost came off the fence there Frank;)

[Frank's cousin]

 

You almost came off the fence there Frank;)

 

How so? because I think its fine for fans to differ in their approaches and in their opinions? The problem with so many on here is that if you say you support or are in favour of or even understand why - ONE thing was done in a certain way by a particular individual, everyone assumes you support EVERYTHING about that individual - some just dont seem willing or able to grasp that distinction... I suspect for some its unwilling due to rational and objective opinion forming seemingly having no place on here at times of ferociaous politicking, and for some sadly I think its just being unable to do so...in which case they at least have an appropriate excuse.

[um pahars]

everyone assumes you support EVERYTHING about that individual - some just dont seem willing or able to grasp that distinction... I suspect for some its unwilling due to rational and objective opinion forming seemingly having no place on here at times of ferociaous politicking' date=' and for some sadly I think its just being unable to do so...in which case they at least have an appropriate excuse.[/quote']

 

Just as your claim that MANY on here would be only too happy to see us relegated is out of touch with reality, then I think your claim that many/everyone can't distinguish between differing viewpoints/arguments is equally as absurd.

 

I'd actually go further and suggest it is an arrogant and somewhat ignorant to suggest that of others.

[Frank's cousin]

Just as your claim that MANY on here would be only too happy to see us relegated is out of touch with reality, then I think your claim that many/everyone can't distinguish between differing viewpoints/arguments is equally as absurd.

 

I'd actually go further and suggest it is an arrogant and somewhat ignorant to suggest that of others.

 

DOH!!! Go to the ack of the class as you have (once again - this is becoming rather frequent ) misunderstood/interpreted the post - possibly due to cutting the quote in HALF ...who knows... Nowhere have I said many cant distinguish between different points of view/arguments - I stated and its clear as day - that:

 

''The problem with so many on here is that if you say you support or are in favour of or even understand why - ONE thing was done in a certain way by a particular individual, everyone assumes you support EVERYTHING about that individual - some just dont seem willing or able to grasp that distinction... ''

 

See what I said there, 'grasp the distinction' between supporting someone wholeheartedly and supporting an element of what they represent.... and I stand by that, its why I and others are branded one thing or another because I happen to agree with some things and not others but that does not seem to stand in anyones way....

 

You do this time and time again UP, take a small snapshot of a quote out of context and twist and bend to try and undermine not an argument but the credibilty of the poster - which is kinda vindictive and a little sad that you feel its necessary to go down that route of attack in support of your POV... and suggestive that you have run out of rational argument?

 

Its actually quite sad that there is a mob mentality, as soon as someone comes on here and speaks in support of Lowe, there are many attempts to undermine personality, credibilty and a refusal to debate the issues rationally.... Which if anything undermines the point of this forum.

[um pahars]

DOH!!! Go to the ack of the class as you have (once again - this is becoming rather frequent ) misunderstood/interpreted the post - possibly due to cutting the quote in HALF ...who knows... Nowhere have I said many cant distinguish between different points of view/arguments - I stated and its clear as day - that:

 

''The problem with so many on here is that if you say you support or are in favour of or even understand why - ONE thing was done in a certain way by a particular individual, everyone assumes you support EVERYTHING about that individual - some just dont seem willing or able to grasp that distinction... ''.

 

And that is your problem, i.e. your constant use of the term many (e.g I doubt that will please many fans that want Lowe to fail so he can be kicked out again), when in fact nothing could be further fromt the truth.

 

It is your use of the term many that is actaully rather arrogant (and ignorant), as I doubt that there are many who want us to lose just so Lowe can be kicked out, and I also doubt there are many who think that just because you support one thing by a particular individual, they then assume you support everything about that individual.

 

Personally, I think the problem is more to do with how you perceive these posts, than the posts & posters themselves. You would do better to show some respect to the integrity & intelligence of your fellow supporters.

[Nineteen Canteen]

i would call our current position Sad not ironic.

the last 5 years has seen the HOPE squeezed out of Southampton Football Club to be replaced by a monster called Southampton Leisure Holdings.

The sad thing is there are hundreds of businesses within a 20 mile radius of SMS with bigger turnovers than SLH which make profits and provide products/services that their customers want. how come those in charge of SLH over the last 5/6 years have all made such a pigs ear of it.

 

If we are talking collective responsibility them I mostly agree with you but desperate times require desperate or unique measures and everyone has played their part including some players and fans. Its a sad state of affairs but we won't go forward by lamenting the past.

[OldNick]

Simple points sometimes put things in perspective...lets forget the rhetoric and taking of sides...can we consider the following...41 years..3 chairmen..6 managers (Reader,Woodford,Askham and Bates,McMenemy,Nicholl,Branfoot,Ball,Merrington....27 years in top division) and Rupert..11 years...1 Chairman/CEO/Director of Football/Farmer...11 managers (Souness,Jones,Hoddle,Gray,Strachan,Sturrock,Wigley,Redknapp,Pearson,Poortvliet,Wotte...oh and relegation from top division!!) Very sad but very true.

You can try and dress it up in any way you wish but lets be fair....unbelievable!!

Is this a fair assessment of how we got through managers?, IMO it is fair

 

Souness walked out, said to be unhappy at transfer budget, (RL denied that he had been told any budget) immediately walks into benfica job.No interview process just straight in..odd that

Dave Jones. Now tell me how RL could have kept him on? We have the Mc Donalds family centre, Ford acadamy (at that time) parents deciding whether to send their young lads to play in our acadamy, the players having their own kids, and then the Police drip drip of new offences being aimed at him. Even the fans who were supportive, in the main started to question as the 2nd raft of 10's of offences were published.No company would have been able to have kept him as manager, and at least we offered to support him during that time.

Hoddle. Do i need to say more?

Gray. He had the opportunity to go with the rest who GH had taken away but turned him down as he was loyal to the club. RL rewarded that loyalty by giving him the job.i wasnt too impressed but there is nothing wrong in rewarding loyalty.RL was decisive in replacing him when things were looking bad.

WGS again he stated when he came that he would only be here for 3 years as he promised his wife so.WGS a man of his word carried that out.The news of him leaving destabilised the club and we couldnt get someone ready and it was all public , the results went on a steep decline, relegation form in fact.RL wished for GH to return, i like many others voiced our disgust.

Sturrock, was a brave/reckless decision similar to keane/Ince appontments.PS has statd recently that the pressure was too much for him and so he resigned.

Left again in the lurch Wigley was installed. He had rave reviews what he had achievedin the reserve set up, and glowing reports from the playing staff. Hit by a terrible run of injuries (a very unlucky period in time, 2-1 away at Arsenal in the injury time and van Persie hit a fantastic equaliser, Niemi injured pre the vital WBA game and his replacement makes 2 howlers and we only draw)he is replaced, perhaps too late but still over 20 games left.

HR an exciting appointment, the fans in the main were overjoyed we were to be saved, and should have been.

Basset/Wise caretaker. Showed nothing that they could improve things and after his outburst shwed why Wise would not be the man for us.

GB again welcomed by the fanbase.Left under LC again walked out on the club, no fault of ours.

NP taken on a short term contract(not immediately negotiated for longer by regime of time). Did adequate job, saved on last day, but united the fanbase.RL decides he wishes to use his own appointment

.

Jan under severe financial restraint, for long periods nearly worked.left too long before being nudges.

May I also respectfully add LC had 3 managers in less than half a season that makes his percentage even more ridiculous, so it is not quite as simple as you make out.

Wotte???

[Tamesaint]

Shame because if you don't think I don't support Southampton then you are seriously deluded. /QUOTE]

 

Hmmm. This is a dilemma. Does 19 really mean what he says? "If you don't think I don't support Southampton then you are seriously deluded" means that he doesn't support Southampton. Is this a confession that he does not support Saints after all????

 

Or has he just put one too many "don't's" in his sentence?? Does he really mean that he is a Southampton supporter and that one too many rum punches have distorted what he has written??

 

If he wasn't a Balliol man , I would think the latter. But someone as educated as him would surely not make such a mistake with his syntax.... would he?????

[Tamesaint]

Is this a fair assessment of how we got through managers?, IMO it is fair

 

Souness walked out, said to be unhappy at transfer budget, (RL denied that he had been told any budget) immediately walks into benfica job.No interview process just straight in..odd that

Dave Jones. Now tell me how RL could have kept him on? We have the Mc Donalds family centre, Ford acadamy (at that time) parents deciding whether to send their young lads to play in our acadamy, the players having their own kids, and then the Police drip drip of new offences being aimed at him. Even the fans who were supportive, in the main started to question as the 2nd raft of 10's of offences were published.No company would have been able to have kept him as manager, and at least we offered to support him during that time.

Hoddle. Do i need to say more?

Gray. He had the opportunity to go with the rest who GH had taken away but turned him down as he was loyal to the club. RL rewarded that loyalty by giving him the job.i wasnt too impressed but there is nothing wrong in rewarding loyalty.RL was decisive in replacing him when things were looking bad.

WGS again he stated when he came that he would only be here for 3 years as he promised his wife so.WGS a man of his word carried that out.The news of him leaving destabilised the club and we couldnt get someone ready and it was all public , the results went on a steep decline, relegation form in fact.RL wished for GH to return, i like many others voiced our disgust.

Sturrock, was a brave/reckless decision similar to keane/Ince appontments.PS has statd recently that the pressure was too much for him and so he resigned.

Left again in the lurch Wigley was installed. He had rave reviews what he had achievedin the reserve set up, and glowing reports from the playing staff. Hit by a terrible run of injuries (a very unlucky period in time, 2-1 away at Arsenal in the injury time and van Persie hit a fantastic equaliser, Niemi injured pre the vital WBA game and his replacement makes 2 howlers and we only draw)he is replaced, perhaps too late but still over 20 games left.

HR an exciting appointment, the fans in the main were overjoyed we were to be saved, and should have been.

Basset/Wise caretaker. Showed nothing that they could improve things and after his outburst shwed why Wise would not be the man for us.

GB again welcomed by the fanbase.Left under LC again walked out on the club, no fault of ours.

NP taken on a short term contract(not immediately negotiated for longer by regime of time). Did adequate job, saved on last day, but united the fanbase.RL decides he wishes to use his own appointment

.

Jan under severe financial restraint, for long periods nearly worked.left too long before being nudges.

May I also respectfully add LC had 3 managers in less than half a season that makes his percentage even more ridiculous, so it is not quite as simple as you make out.

Wotte???

 

The Wigley sentence is a cracker!!! Not even Sundance could come out with this view of how Rupes has been so unlucky with his managers!!

 

Do you still believe in Father Christmas Nick ??? :-) :-)

[PAULACZT]

Is this a fair assessment of how we got through managers?, IMO it is fair

 

Souness walked out, said to be unhappy at transfer budget, (RL denied that he had been told any budget) immediately walks into benfica job.No interview process just straight in..odd that

Dave Jones. Now tell me how RL could have kept him on? We have the Mc Donalds family centre, Ford acadamy (at that time) parents deciding whether to send their young lads to play in our acadamy, the players having their own kids, and then the Police drip drip of new offences being aimed at him. Even the fans who were supportive, in the main started to question as the 2nd raft of 10's of offences were published.No company would have been able to have kept him as manager, and at least we offered to support him during that time.

Hoddle. Do i need to say more?

Gray. He had the opportunity to go with the rest who GH had taken away but turned him down as he was loyal to the club. RL rewarded that loyalty by giving him the job.i wasnt too impressed but there is nothing wrong in rewarding loyalty.RL was decisive in replacing him when things were looking bad.

WGS again he stated when he came that he would only be here for 3 years as he promised his wife so.WGS a man of his word carried that out.The news of him leaving destabilised the club and we couldnt get someone ready and it was all public , the results went on a steep decline, relegation form in fact.RL wished for GH to return, i like many others voiced our disgust.

Sturrock, was a brave/reckless decision similar to keane/Ince appontments.PS has statd recently that the pressure was too much for him and so he resigned.

Left again in the lurch Wigley was installed. He had rave reviews what he had achievedin the reserve set up, and glowing reports from the playing staff. Hit by a terrible run of injuries (a very unlucky period in time, 2-1 away at Arsenal in the injury time and van Persie hit a fantastic equaliser, Niemi injured pre the vital WBA game and his replacement makes 2 howlers and we only draw)he is replaced, perhaps too late but still over 20 games left.

HR an exciting appointment, the fans in the main were overjoyed we were to be saved, and should have been.

Basset/Wise caretaker. Showed nothing that they could improve things and after his outburst shwed why Wise would not be the man for us.

GB again welcomed by the fanbase.Left under LC again walked out on the club, no fault of ours.

NP taken on a short term contract(not immediately negotiated for longer by regime of time). Did adequate job, saved on last day, but united the fanbase.RL decides he wishes to use his own appointment

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Jan under severe financial restraint, for long periods nearly worked.left too long before being nudges.

May I also respectfully add LC had 3 managers in less than half a season that makes his percentage even more ridiculous, so it is not quite as simple as you make out.

Wotte???

 

I simply state the facts....and you have confirmed them but dressed them up as...walk outs, 'we couldnt get someone ready, and it was all public'(what does that mean?!), loyalty, RL being decisive! (cracker that one!), pressure, left again in the lurch, glowing reports from the playing staff, a fantastic equaliser, an injury, 2 howlers, an exciting appointment, an outburst, 'RL decides he wishes to use his own appointment' (another corker!), severe financial restraint that 'for long periods nearly worked'!! (what is our league position, and explain 'nearly worked'!),and a nudge!

When you say it is not as simple as I make out you are not lying are you....lol

Nick...facts are facts...the league table never lies...the buck stops at the top man..but I admire your valiant effort to make it less simple than it really is!!