Wotte on Pulis

[Greenridge]

My apologies if this has been posted before. In Tuesday's Echo was an article on Wotton however there were a couple of paragraphs relating to Pulis.

 

Wotte added: ''Hopefully he will be back soon because he is a player if you have a lot of injuries he can be very helpful because his mentality is brilliant''

 

The meaning may have got lost in 'translation' but would seem to suggest Pulis won't get a game unless there's a lot of injuries. It begs the question why did we sign him in the first place?......yes I know 'in case we get lots of injuries!'

[Colinjb]

I read from that that Wotte admires the resilience and mentallity he has developed due to his injuries. So if he can get fit, he will get a chance.

[Pancake]

I assumed from that statement that he was meaning that Pulis is our reserve team utility player; as in, he is great to have on the bench as he can go on and do a job anywhere if needs be.

[JohnnyFartPants]

I assumed from that statement that he was meaning that Pulis is our reserve team utility player; as in, he is great to have on the bench as he can go on and do a job anywhere if needs be.

 

A poor mans Paul Warhurst?

[Pancake]

A poor mans Paul Warhurst?

 

A CCC Jo Tessem.

[chocco boxo]

do not know what he even looks like?

[Pilchards]

do not know what he even looks like?

 

Bit like his Dad!

[trousers]

My apologies if this has been posted before. In Tuesday's Echo was an article on Wotton however there were a couple of paragraphs relating to Pulis.

 

The meaning may have got lost in 'translation' but would seem to suggest Pulis won't get a game unless there's a lot of injuries. It begs the question why did we sign him in the first place?......yes I know 'in case we get lots of injuries!'

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=219657#post219657

 

"....little equation for you to ponder....our friend van der waals...his friend....Tony Pulis.....D.Gorre currently our rotational reserve/first team coach (ex.reserve coach Stoke City FC)....Pulis junior (Portsmouth 0 games,Stoke 2,Torquay 3,Plymouth 5,Grimsby 9,Bristol Rovers 1,Southampton 0, 2 year contract)....Andrew Davies to Stoke City ('un-disclosed fee',now on loan at Preston North End).... "

:confused:

[david in sweden]

I read from that that Wotte admires the resilience and mentallity he has developed due to his injuries. So if he can get fit, he will get a chance.

 

ME too !

People need to " read between the lines" and not take every word literally.

My understanding if that was the same; his long lay-off means he is even more eager to get fit and back playing again.

Too many " injured " players with long lay-offs hobble around (yes in pain, too), but have the wrong attitude. LOOK poor me, I'm injured.

 

Others are angry as he** every week that they cannot go training, and are longing for their first kick about, and totally obsessed with their return to the team. Most players have at least one "big" long-term injury in their career, the real test is how they come back from it. Some return but never recover their form, and some that do never get back in the reckoning.

 

Those with longer memories may recall Andy Townsend..who came as a 35K recruit from Weymouth Town in the last days of Lawrie Mac's time. He got regular games with Chris Nicholls side, but broke a leg in a pre-season friendly. By the time he came back he was battling with MLT and Rod Wallace for the no. 7 shirt. Nicholl must have thought he'd done good deal in getting £300K and sold him to Norwich. But Later moves to Chelsea and Villa...and over 10 years as a regular in the Irish international side showed that it was one of Nichol's few (major) mistakes in the transfer market. Townsend was made of sterner stuff.

 

I hope that Pulis recovers ..and gets to play, but I'd hate the thought of history (perhaps) repeating itself.

Edited 5 March, 2009 by david in sweden

[sidthesquid]

Haven't you noticed yet there is a theme running through Holmes, Smith & Pulis. All three for various reasons have failed to live up to early promise, came for very little (& probably low wages) because they have a point to prove & this is their last chance. We will see more like this - hence the interest in Hoddle's academy for rejected players. We may get a duffer or two, but we just might get a gem or two as well. My guess is that they are on low wages with a promise of something better if they make an impact. Another mad Rupert idea maybe, but maybe just mad enough to work.....

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Greenridge

My apologies if this has been posted before. In Tuesday's Echo was an article on Wotton however there were a couple of paragraphs relating to Pulis.

 

The meaning may have got lost in 'translation' but would seem to suggest Pulis won't get a game unless there's a lot of injuries. It begs the question why did we sign him in the first place?......yes I know 'in case we get lots of injuries!'

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=219657#post219657

 

"....little equation for you to ponder....our friend van der waals...his friend....Tony Pulis.....D.Gorre currently our rotational reserve/first team coach (ex.reserve coach Stoke City FC)....Pulis junior (Portsmouth 0 games,Stoke 2,Torquay 3,Plymouth 5,Grimsby 9,Bristol Rovers 1,Southampton 0, 2 year contract)....Andrew Davies to Stoke City ('un-disclosed fee',now on loan at Preston North End).... "

:confused:

 

If we were still lumbered with Davies now, possibly no Size and still no fully fit Davies and the salary to try and contend with.

 

Pulis could never play a game for us and still be the most important signing we made this season.

[saint_stevo]

Andrew Davies has been horrible for Preston so far.

[saintjay77]

A CCC Jo Tessem.

 

I never liked Jo Tessem, thought he was lazy and had no skill. I was still gettin a beer when he scored against Spuds in the cup so i didnt even see him prove me wrong lol

[saintjay77]

Haven't you noticed yet there is a theme running through Holmes, Smith & Pulis. All three for various reasons have failed to live up to early promise, came for very little (& probably low wages) because they have a point to prove & this is their last chance. We will see more like this - hence the interest in Hoddle's academy for rejected players. We may get a duffer or two, but we just might get a gem or two as well. My guess is that they are on low wages with a promise of something better if they make an impact. Another mad Rupert idea maybe, but maybe just mad enough to work.....

 

We could become the feeder club between GHA and the CCC and beyond? Its like the next step lol

 

Although I dont think any of us rate Pullis I think Wotte rates his attitude more than his skill. He is no better than what we have in the 1st team but can do a job if and when needed. His attitude in training must accept that and continue to work his socks off for very little reward.

 

not sure if that means its good to have him around or not but if he is costing bugger all it cant be too bad

[Alain Perrin]

If we were still lumbered with Davies now, possibly no Size and still no fully fit Davies and the salary to try and contend with.

 

Pulis could never play a game for us and still be the most important signing we made this season.

 

Very important point - "let's see what you could have won..."

 

Pulis was only ever a makeweight in the Andrew Davis deal. If Lowe is a penny pincher as described, and if he has full control over transfer policy as some suggest, then the only reason he would have taken Pulis on is if it made financial sense (i.e. we get £100K more for Davies and pay Pulis Jr £50K of it). Either way it is a winner.

 

Personally I think he's the new Maradona....

[Minsk]

Very important point - "let's see what you could have won..."

 

Pulis was only ever a makeweight in the Andrew Davis deal. If Lowe is a penny pincher as described, and if he has full control over transfer policy as some suggest, then the only reason he would have taken Pulis on is if it made financial sense (i.e. we get £100K more for Davies and pay Pulis Jr £50K of it). Either way it is a winner.

 

Personally I think he's the new Maradona....

 

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that Stoke paid us to take him off their hands?

 

I know he is their manager's son but come on. If they wanted rid of him that badly they could have let him go to a League 1 team on a free (and he might possibly have made an appearance on the pitch down there, might possibly).

[Alain Perrin]

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that Stoke paid us to take him off their hands?

 

I know he is their manager's son but come on. If they wanted rid of him that badly they could have let him go to a League 1 team on a free (and he might possibly have made an appearance on the pitch down there, might possibly).

 

Yes.

 

You can't let someone go on a free who you have under contract without paying up their contract. This situation benefits all three parties:

 

- Pulis Jr moves closer to his home / opportunity at a new club.

- Stoke get a surplus player off their books.

- Saints get a subsidy towards a player in the form of an increased Davies transfer fee.

 

I think it's likely.

[Minsk]

Yes.

 

You can't let someone go on a free who you have under contract without paying up their contract. This situation benefits all three parties:

 

- Pulis Jr moves closer to his home / opportunity at a new club.

- Stoke get a surplus player off their books.

- Saints get a subsidy towards a player in the form of an increased Davies transfer fee.

 

I think it's likely.

 

Apart from the fact it was an entirely different deal.

 

We already had the money in the bank before we signed the injured Pulis Jnr. Surely a 'good businessman' would have found a way out of signing him and of keeping the cash already agreed for the sale of Davies.

[Alain Perrin]

Apart from the fact it was an entirely different deal.

 

We already had the money in the bank before we signed the injured Pulis Jnr. Surely a 'good businessman' would have found a way out of signing him and of keeping the cash already agreed for the sale of Davies.

 

The deals may have been notionally signed on different days, but I'd be amazed if they weren't negotiated in the same session. I also think the informal handshake was on a dual deal. Honest, I've no inside information to say that is the case , just that I think it is likely.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Alain Perrin

Yes.

 

You can't let someone go on a free who you have under contract without paying up their contract. This situation benefits all three parties:

 

- Pulis Jr moves closer to his home / opportunity at a new club.

- Stoke get a surplus player off their books.

- Saints get a subsidy towards a player in the form of an increased Davies transfer fee.

 

I think it's likely.

Apart from the fact it was an entirely different deal.

 

We already had the money in the bank before we signed the injured Pulis Jnr. Surely a 'good businessman' would have found a way out of signing him and of keeping the cash already agreed for the sale of Davies.

 

We can never be 100% sure, but if it was the case I would have no problem with that. The negotiations were going on at the same time and if Lowe gave his word, I am sure that would have been good enough.

Maybe Pulis was signed on merit alone, but I just cannot see him getting a game for us? I accept we have been forced to look in the bargain basement for players at League 1 standard, but find little logic in the Pulis signing for the team. After Wotte's comments, who knows? I am not going to argue with him at the present moment.

[SaintRobbie]

Bung.

[trousers]

Bung.

 

I'm just Googling for an accompanying picture as we speak. One sec....

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Bung.

 

A deal that may have pushed some of Stoke's money towards Tony Pulis's son in lieu of a manager's rake off? Absolutely not. It doesn't happen.