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This has been explained to you several times, young Connor even came on and explained why, but you won't listen, because it doesn't sit with your entrenched viewpoint.
i never saw Connors post and would like to read it. i think you have mirrors in your house (probably wise) as you are entrenched as well.
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Simple.

 

nickh only sees what he wants to see.

 

HTH

Well as i alluded to above Um I could see the wood from the trees when MW bunch cane in, you sadly couldn't. Therefore perhaps you also should sit back and digest a little what you dont like to read on here as sometimes it is right. That is something that we all should take note of.

it is not black and white. If RL goes and the rest are still left do you really think we have gone forward.As a figurehead yes as a solvent football club I myself dont believe it would be the case, but it is all opinion and like the governments quantitive easing it is a leap into the dark.

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i never saw Connors post and would like to read it. i think you have mirrors in your house (probably wise) as you are entrenched as well.

 

 

I'll do this first. Don't need mirrors, as I know I'm good looking!!;)

 

Entrenched, sorry, you have me confused with a Luvvie. I have given Mr Lowe a chance, hell, I gave him two, nope, on reflection, I gave him several, and he let me as a fan down, on all accounts.

 

Now, how is that an entrenched viewpoint, given all those chances, are you saying I should give him another chance.........lol:smt082, you really are a Luvvie.

 

Can you not understand the damage he has done, both times of asking. If your wife went off sh*gg*ng your best mate, then the next door neighbor, and you forgive her, then she's off to bed with your boss, so you throw her out..

 

A few months later, you take her back, tending to overlook those discrepancies, because she was a good cook, and washed your clothes. Then b*gg*r me, she's off, sleeping with your brother.

 

At what point do you say, enough is enough.......or are you a Masochist

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Trouble is Lowe must be got rid of sooner than later, however a few wins soon dilute peoples thoughts and will to protest. It's a strange one as these 3 wins has really lifted the mood amongst us fans but if we keep it up Lowe will stay under the radar and the club will never rise with him at the helm.

 

if we, by some miracle, kept winning I would want him to stay!

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totally agree mate

 

crouch is never the answer for me just another part of the problem

 

i think the wotta notta gotta clue banner will haunt that lad and the club will use that picture to ridicule the protests

 

shame..

 

Why will it???

 

You do know the meaning behind the banner don't you???

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in my opinion the protests are at the moment in a no win situation;

 

if there is a protest, on the back of current form I suspect it would not be so widely supported - which will undermine previous protests.

 

if there is no protest (as I think there was something arranged for the last 3 games now) it will look like the protests have stopped due to the form and people are fickle -not really against the board just results.

 

Where some of the protest went down the protesters v Wotte line, where he is currently doing excellent then that also undermines them.

 

Think the sensible thing would be to wait and not lose any more face.

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I'll do this first. Don't need mirrors, as I know I'm good looking!!;)

 

Entrenched, sorry, you have me confused with a Luvvie. I have given Mr Lowe a chance, hell, I gave him two, nope, on reflection, I gave him several, and he let me as a fan down, on all accounts.

 

Now, how is that an entrenched viewpoint, given all those chances, are you saying I should give him another chance.........lol:smt082, you really are a Luvvie.

 

Can you not understand the damage he has done, both times of asking. If your wife went off sh*gg*ng your best mate, then the next door neighbor, and you forgive her, then she's off to bed with your boss, so you throw her out..

 

A few months later, you take her back, tending to overlook those discrepancies, because she was a good cook, and washed your clothes. Then b*gg*r me, she's off, sleeping with your brother.

 

At what point do you say, enough is enough.......or are you a Masochist

Where do I say give him another chance?

The fact is i say if he goes they all should go without exception.You and many others are only focussed on RL when it patently is the whole group.Who can hold their heads up and really say they did it right? LC comes the closest but he is not right longterm either.

Iam happy to watch the football and wait, in time something will happen for the good and then I will be happy to wave good bye to the whole crowd who have overseen disappoinments a plenty over the years.

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Entrenchment is on all sides.

 

Entrenched, sorry, you have me confused with a Luvvie. I have given Mr Lowe a chance, hell, I gave him two, nope, on reflection, I gave him several, and he let me as a fan down, on all accounts.

 

Now, how is that an entrenched viewpoint, given all those chances, are you saying I should give him another chance.........lol:smt082, you really are a Luvvie.

 

Can you not understand the damage he has done, both times of asking. If your wife went off sh*gg*ng your best mate, then the next door neighbor, and you forgive her, then she's off to bed with your boss, so you throw her out..

 

A few months later, you take her back, tending to overlook those discrepancies, because she was a good cook, and washed your clothes. Then b*gg*r me, she's off, sleeping with your brother.

 

At what point do you say, enough is enough.......or are you a Masochist

 

 

I've give you the whole post again nick, which I hope will, for the second time, explain why I don't think I'm 'entrenched' in my views. See if you can answer the whole, rather than just come back with the same 'entrenched:roll:' view.

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Dear Schoolmaster, can you tell me how a man with is it 6% or less of the clubs shares is stopping us being sold?

 

Dear pupil, have you not been listening at this years lessons, do I have to give you lines!!. Write out a hundred times .........'Rupert refused to sell his shares, unless the same offer was made to all his cartel'. In by tomorrow thank you.

 

If as you say there are loads of wealthy men out there and consortiums why buying the club is so difficult. i have a business in the luxury market and know something for sure if a wealthy man wishes to buy something desperately price is not an issue. If a new ferrari is 250k and the waiting list is a year they will pay 350k to get6 one, the same would be if i had the money to buy SFC. There is nothing stopping people buying us, period.

 

The people allegedly wanting to buy us, are not in the class of Chelski/Liverpool etc, they would not want to buy your Ferrari for 350k, when it's already overpriced at 250k. They're more likely to buy it in bits from several outlets, and hope to assemble it into a runner, for less than 250k

 

 

I admit to not wanting the Wilde bunch, I argued with the majority on here that they were all talk. Again I got the same smarmy abuse from Ump on that as well. Again I find it really amusing that we are told that RL keeps making the same mistakes and his critics arew doing the same.Lol.

I myself have made mysdelf clear and will put it again (not in red) I want RL Askham, Wilde,Wiseman,Corbett, Crouch LM and all the others out. In saying that it is no use then them being replaced by another bunch of all talk no action people.

 

Um!!, hard to know where to go with this, shall we say, disjointed statement. I assume you were 'abused', for wanting Lowe to remain, nothing changed there. Then you go and spoil it all, by admitting (I think), that Lowe was all talk, and no action, amongst others. So why do you defend him so vehemently.

 

 

Until then I will go and watch and support SFC through rough and smooth. I will not have a paddy because RL leaves and so not go again on principle the same goes for any other director, I really dont care if they are there or not as long as SFC is.

 

Very admirable.

 

I also say the owners/ board/ chairman have never done a thing for me as a fan, and I wouldnt expect much anyway as i pay to go and watch a football team that they put together and me in my foolishness feel attached to it as it is called Southampton, not Rupert Lowe 11 or Leon Crouch 11 because if it was i would have given up years ago.

 

So pray, why do you defend him so much.....help me to understand your affliction:confused:

 

Ok nick.....please answer it all.

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Entrenched, sorry, you have me confused with a Luvvie. I have given Mr Lowe a chance, hell, I gave him two, nope, on reflection, I gave him several, and he let me as a fan down, on all accounts.

 

Now, how is that an entrenched viewpoint, given all those chances, are you saying I should give him another chance.........lol:smt082, you really are a Luvvie.

 

Can you not understand the damage he has done, both times of asking. If your wife went off sh*gg*ng your best mate, then the next door neighbor, and you forgive her, then she's off to bed with your boss, so you throw her out..

 

A few months later, you take her back, tending to overlook those discrepancies, because she was a good cook, and washed your clothes. Then b*gg*r me, she's off, sleeping with your brother.

 

At what point do you say, enough is enough.......or are you a Masochist

 

 

I've give you the whole post again nick, which I hope will, for the second time, explain why I don't think I'm 'entrenched' in my views. See if you can answer the whole, rather than just come back with the same 'entrenched:roll:' view.

You obviously cannot read or just dont wish to accept my view. i dont know what you are on call about but i 'd hate it to be problem solving.

You are entrenched that you believe RL has done no good whatsoever.That goes back to other posts days ago.(god give me strength)Your position seems to me that he has to go whatever.My postition is that hey all have to go, when a better alternative comes around. Not anyone but Lowe. That is not entrenched but sensible.

Now go back and answer my bit about all these people you say are out there who want to buy the club and Lowe is stopping them.Tell me how these super rich peoplewho were going to buy the club when it was 65p a share will now not buy at 25p a share or 30p a share or even a £1 a share? The clubs market value is less than £15m so it is reasonable to say if you are offered double its value or even treble its value you'd sell. if there are all these wealthy people you said were there, why aren't they buying us? Oh of course mr less than 6% is stopping them LOL

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Ok nick.....please answer it all.
Our posts must have crossed. But i will fill in the bits for you.

 

Getting the same price for all in a syndicate (if thats what you wish to call it) is the correct and honourable way. Unlike LM and KW who sold firsdt chance and not worrying about the others.I may also point out it was more of a cartel in the Corbett Bowyer days where you were only able to sell it seems to those already in the circle.

Again if there is all these wealthy consortiums tyuo spoke about earlier it is no problem.

if they want s so much they will spend a premium, and they are not being overcharged as the clubs value has fallen more than 50% in 2 years.

All the boards i have supported saints under have been all talk no action, RL has been the closest to providing as in under his charge we got the stadium, none of the others ever did.

I dont support RL (it is all too hard for you to understand) I wish what I believe is best for the club.I think he is best to get us out of the financial mess we find ourselves in.He is part of that as he was in charge in the relegation season but he is not the main reason we went down IMO.

Iam open minded to another group taking over but I wont rush into their arms like a blindfolded nyphomaniac into Russel Brands bedroom like many on here did when the Wilde bunch appeared.

Im sorry you get frustrated with my position but i have my own mind and am happy to make my own judgements as i ve hade to do since I left school at 16, the teachers then couldnt do anything with me and you have no chance whatsoever as you dont have any thoughts that are at all convincing.

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You obviously cannot read or just dont wish to accept my view. i dont know what you are on call about but i 'd hate it to be problem solving.

 

You know what nickh, you come on with your broken English, and atrocious spelling, saying you run your own leisure buisness.....then come back at me with intended insults....For the record, I don't accept your view, because as I've proved, your view is slightly confused. You don't want Lowe here, but won't hear a bad word said about him. As for problem solving, well yes I do, and yes I'm OK at it.....maybe we should talk, I can help you;)

 

You are entrenched that you believe RL has done no good whatsoever.

 

Where have I said that, I except that he has done some good, but the bad has far out weighed that.

 

That goes back to other posts days ago.(god give me strength)Your position seems to me that he has to go whatever.

 

Yes he does....because a) of what he has bought us too....and b)There will always be division whilst he is here.

 

My postition is that hey all have to go, when a better alternative comes around. Not anyone but Lowe. That is not entrenched but sensible.

 

Who else interferes in all aspects of the club, especially now, when he is not even the Chairman. Believe me, I want the turncoat gone as well, but you cut of the head, to slay the beast.

 

Now go back and answer my bit about all these people you say are out there who want to buy the club and Lowe is stopping them.Tell me how these super rich peoplewho were going to buy the club when it was 65p a share will now not buy at 25p a share or 30p a share or even a £1 a share?

 

OK......the shares have to be for sell in the first place, and do you deny, that there have been people knocking on our door??.

 

The clubs market value is less than £15m so it is reasonable to say if you are offered double its value or even treble its value you'd sell. if there are all these wealthy people you said were there, why aren't they buying us? Oh of course mr less than 6% is stopping them LOL

 

You saying he's not, you saying that he has never had an offer for his shares??

 

 

It's over the net nickh, I'm getting used to your righthand spin now!!

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It's over the net nickh, I'm getting used to your righthand spin now!!
You are playing the wrong player and so I can see why you are making all the mistakes as I play with a left handed slice.

Unless you can see that to a wealthy person price to a degree is not an issue you will always think that RL is stopping them to buy.The fact is that none are wealthy enough.

If a 15m price tag is to much for them to afford do you really think they would have the resources to push us on?

We need someone who losing 50m is not a problem, not somebody who buys the club needs to worry about the odd 5-10m.

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You know what nickh, you come on with your broken English, and atrocious spelling, saying you run your own leisure buisness.....[end quote]

 

Do you know what,if I had been very good at school and learnt immaculate spelling and not used broken English I'd be on call now.

So you can look down at me and others who are not good at spelling and punctuation etc but we do ok.It is always the funnier when people who scoff at those of us on here who cant spell perfectly are then pulled up by others.

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You know what nickh, you come on with your broken English, and atrocious spelling, saying you run your own leisure buisness.....[end quote]

 

Do you know what,if I had been very good at school and learnt immaculate spelling and not used broken English I'd be on call now.

So you can look down at me and others who are not good at spelling and punctuation etc but we do ok.It is always the funnier when people who scoff at those of us on here who cant spell perfectly are then pulled up by others.

 

You love to cut out the bits that show you in a good light. I'm not scoffing at you son, just saying, that if you start throwing stones in a greenhouse, then expect a few broken windows.

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You love to cut out the bits that show you in a good light. I'm not scoffing at you son, just saying, that if you start throwing stones in a greenhouse, then expect a few broken windows.
Not at all. I highlighted the quote that showed your views of superiority and put a subtle dig that i had mentioned i ran a business (you put as leisure) in the luxury market. The dig made it seem perhaps as i couldn't spell well it may not really be the case.

This is the internet we can all be James Bond if we wish, some come on and make stories about themselves to make them look better, smarter than others, i dont need to make myself look better than Iam as i am content with my lot and there are quite a few who know what profession I'm in. Not the oldest profession by the way but close to it.

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Not at all. I highlighted the quote that showed your views of superiority and put a subtle dig that i had mentioned i ran a business (you put as leisure) in the luxury market. The dig made it seem perhaps as i couldn't spell well it may not really be the case.

This is the internet we can all be James Bond if we wish, some come on and make stories about themselves to make them look better, smarter than others, i dont need to make myself look better than Iam as i am content with my lot and there are quite a few who know what profession I'm in. Not the oldest profession by the way but close to it.

 

 

nick nick nick nick nick....allow me. This is what you posted, You obviously cannot read or just dont wish to accept my view. i dont know what you are on call about but i 'd hate it to be problem solving. I just responded in kind, but hey, let's not drop down to JFP's level, let's me and you debate this at an adult level.......Greenhouses mate, greenhouses!!.

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nick nick nick nick nick....allow me. This is what you posted, You obviously cannot read or just dont wish to accept my view. i dont know what you are on call about but i 'd hate it to be problem solving. I just responded in kind, but hey, let's not drop down to JFP's level, let's me and you debate this at an adult level.......Greenhouses mate, greenhouses!!.
Fair play, I accept your point and so apologise for taking umbrage.

As for adults Im not sure. I do know my faults but if its in you its impossible to get it gone. I hold strong opinions about a lot of things and with conviction as well not that you'd notice.

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The problem I have with the protests is that whenever that figurehead chap got interviewed on the radio/tele etc. the best he could come up for as their raison d'etre was, "Lowe's done some stupid things like appointing Wotte".

 

Now, frankly, of all the things to protest against Lowe in relation to, appointing Wotte is near the bottom of the list.

 

If the protests are to remain valid, they need to have a more thought out purpose and justification which needs to be put forward.

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The reason being, no-one else would take it on. He asked for a frontman on facebook, and got no takers. FWIW, I think he done OK for his age....I joined the trust for this sort of thing, but alas, I got the wrong idea of it's formation.

 

I appreciate that and fair play to him. I'm not having a pop. My understanding was that the original Fbook creator pulled out for reputational/work reasons and the young lad offered to step up.

 

I just don't think the message is clear and as the main example of Lowe's incompetence that was sighted has arguably been his biggest success of the season, it looks a little ill-conceived.

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benjii............never implied that you were having a pop, just thought you might not of known. I have several 'protest' idea's, but could not find the time to lead this, it really needs a retired type person, to give it some thought.

 

I think I said exactly this some time ago. The trouble is this. If someone else acts as spokesman it sort of steals the lad's thunder and that would be a shame.

 

I do think a spokesman is needed who can articulate exactly what the protest is about i.e. not the team or the manager but the board.

 

There must be someone out there who can explain this succintly - someone who knows all the back story but equally someone who isn't connected to any of the major shareholders / key players - just a 'normal' fan.

 

Surely?

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I can read between the lines. It is flattering that you all think I should be the spokesperson for the protests. I will spend some time this evening considering whether I can commit the time to it.

 

I don't work because I have an inheritance which will support me for life, so I do have the time. However, I have some things I need to do this week.

 

Again, thanks for thinking of me. I would dearly love to speak on behalf of the fans and shall do all within my power to make this happen.

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You seem to be a bit lost boy, if we have 25,000 fans (with less than half chanting) then the bank/mortgage holder as you refer will see it as a coup as we are struggling to get 15,000 at present :confused:

 

That was my point - I look forward to seeing 25,000 people stand up and chant for Lowe to get out. I regret if my post was not clear.

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Seriously, chatting to a Saints fan in Woolston this week, he said he wanted Lowe out of SFC. When I asked him "what's your reason?" (emphasis on the 'your'), he didn't know but said, everyone else wants that as well. The logic of the mob. So guys, have a reality check, and then protest when you know why you are doing it. 'Lowe out' at any price, even if the team are doing well is also the logic of the madhouse, and is the approach that Wilde adopted last time, that got us nowhere. Lowe will go in good time, but we need that to be when there is someone better to come in, not when his going would simply leave a vacuum.

 

I think if you read the numerous posts on the subject posts a few reasons why Lowe should not be here may emanate from them. The fact you found one fan in Woolston does not change the reality of the situation we find ourselves in as a result of a litany of stupid and arrogant mistekes. It may very well be that only administration will get rid of him

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Sorry Lowe lovers (and Lowe PR plants like the Nineteen Canteen and Sumdunce Beast - are they the same person because there cannot be two such ridiculous caricatures in Southampton) but I think the next march and protest is scheduled for the next Saturday home game. I think this continuing pressure will get the bank/mortgage holder to get rid of Lowe irrespective of the results. I am looking forward to the 'stand up if you want Lowe out' campaign again because it will mean there are 25,000 people in the Stadium to protest at his antics.

 

No walk and tokenism until the QPR game, is that because it's a school night?

 

Candlelit walk to the stadium on Tuesday evening and candlelit vigil at the Ted Bates status might be very effective unless you've got an important lecture at catering collage on Wednesday morning. Still you don't have to go to the game.;) LOWE OUT, WOTTE OUT, ADMINISTRATORS IN (or Crouch in if we ever get round to asking him)

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I think I said exactly this some time ago. The trouble is this. If someone else acts as spokesman it sort of steals the lad's thunder and that would be a shame.

 

I do think a spokesman is needed who can articulate exactly what the protest is about i.e. not the team or the manager but the board.

 

There must be someone out there who can explain this succintly - someone who knows all the back story but equally someone who isn't connected to any of the major shareholders / key players - just a 'normal' fan.

 

Surely?

 

Whilst clearly articulate, albeit usually conveying opinions that are a load of b * llocks, sadly I think you are too old and senile for your otherwise obvious candidacy selection to be considered.

 

Excellent attempt though. xx

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Originally Posted by LostBoys

Sorry Lowe lovers .... but I think the next march and protest is scheduled for the next Saturday home game. I think this continuing pressure will get the bank/mortgage holder to get rid of Lowe irrespective of the results.

 

Do you really reckon that a few hundred people wandering down the street shouting 'Lowe out' is really going to force their hand. More extra people turned up for Cardiff after one good home win than went to both marches combined. I'm sure it's a fun day out and it makes you all feel important, but don't kid yourself that it is having any impact whatsoever

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Originally Posted by LostBoys

Sorry Lowe lovers .... but I think the next march and protest is scheduled for the next Saturday home game. I think this continuing pressure will get the bank/mortgage holder to get rid of Lowe irrespective of the results.

 

Do you really reckon that a few hundred people wandering down the street shouting 'Lowe out' is really going to force their hand. More extra people turned up for Cardiff after one good home win than went to both marches combined. I'm sure it's a fun day out and it makes you all feel important, but don't kid yourself that it is having any impact whatsoever

 

is there another one planned?

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Originally Posted by LostBoys

Sorry Lowe lovers .... but I think the next march and protest is scheduled for the next Saturday home game. I think this continuing pressure will get the bank/mortgage holder to get rid of Lowe irrespective of the results.

 

Do you really reckon that a few hundred people wandering down the street shouting 'Lowe out' is really going to force their hand. More extra people turned up for Cardiff after one good home win than went to both marches combined. I'm sure it's a fun day out and it makes you all feel important, but don't kid yourself that it is having any impact whatsoever

 

thing is they were Cardiff fans and Tyro sides in for a fiver, not a sustained increase

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I think any more protests are bound to decrease in size and value, if it's the same thing over and over again.Now people can see there's been a slight change of direction and ALL the squad are available for selection, now is not the time to protest. Lowe has got us into this mess and needs to go in the summer, but nothing will be gained by it before then.

 

Personally, I intend to get behind the whole Club, and think everyone should do the same. The time to let Lowe know our feelings is after the season ends. or god forbid when it's impossible to stay up.

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I think any more protests are bound to decrease in size and value, if it's the same thing over and over again.Now people can see there's been a slight change of direction and ALL the squad are available for selection, now is not the time to protest. Lowe has got us into this mess and needs to go in the summer, but nothing will be gained by it before then.

 

Personally, I intend to get behind the whole Club, and think everyone should do the same. The time to let Lowe know our feelings is after the season ends. or god forbid when it's impossible to stay up.

 

 

thing is how do you put pressure on in the summer

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What was that? I know that Im bad at spelling etc and you think you are good but make similar mistakes.

 

FFS........I'm not going to call all those posts back up, re-read them, see the sequence, then come back, I'm ready to listen to your apology, but equally, I'm not holding my breath. You know why that was said, but if it suits your limited mentality, to attempt to take the moral high ground, please do..........but I'll still be around Mr 'h'.

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FFS........I'm not going to call all those posts back up, re-read them, see the sequence, then come back, I'm ready to listen to your apology, but equally, I'm not holding my breath. You know why that was said, but if it suits your limited mentality, to attempt to take the moral high ground, please do..........but I'll still be around Mr 'h'.
Guess spell checker is no good, if you insert the wrong word.

 

'BUT HE GOT MY POINT' so what do you mean by that? I accept that Im not that good a spelling etc. I find it funny your errors not only on this thread but another since and you talk about glass houses.When I called you a schoolteacher I was only kidding but perhaps I was spot on, underlining bits in red Lol

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Round and round and round she go's, where she stops, only nicky knows!!

 

Guess spell checker is no good, if you insert the wrong word.

 

'BUT HE GOT MY POINT' so what do you mean by that? The point is my little 'I read it but my attention span only lasts for two hours' ..fellow forum member, was made in reference to your little insult. I replied in kind, but apologized when you started crying...but apology has been withdrawn now....so game on. I accept that Im not that good a spelling etc. I find it funny your errors not only on this thread but another since and you talk about glass houses. You really can spin with the best of them nick, waiting for the applause??, again, look back to why I even mentioned Glasshouses......ffs, a pint of what your on. When I called you a schoolteacher I was only kidding but perhaps I was spot on, underlining bits in red Lol Just a minor point, but it wasn't underlined...not that you'd notice......this is

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Round and round and round she go's, where she stops, only nicky knows!!
The word 'Im' was highlighted in red.

You are welcome to be the spellchecker and punctuation expert on here as I will never win that one Sir.

I never saw an apology and never expected one as teacher never was prone to holding their hands up even if they were well out of order.

Now where are all those millionaires you said were hanging around wanting to buy our club.No list has been forwarded.

Of course you will not be able to provide it, as it would be impossible.No shame in that but remember the things you put up and I put up are based on our opinions not facts in the main.

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