Protest at the Derby home game

[Gemmel]

Ahhhh right so now he's back to try again is he...??? No doubt if NC keeps posting at least one of us will have turned from anti - to pro Lowe by .... errrr, well by, well maybe in a years time. Great use of resources Mr Lowe - one man sat trying to overturn the majority political stance on an internet forum. Any other real PR firsts you'd like to put by us?

 

Sorry Micky i must have missed something. You were laughing at the idea of lowe arranging people to post on an internet forum as if it were the strangest concept in the world. I simply reminded you that is exactly what he did.....and used SFC / SLH money to do so. Do i think 19 cafe is a lowe plant of course not. Does lowe have people posting on here....who knows.

 

Lowe hated Saints forever long before wilde came on the scene. Its something he can't control and gives people a voice. If he could close this site (Which he can't) the next best thing is .....if you cant beat them join them.............but may be with IP masking this time

[Micky]

Sorry Micky i must have missed something. You were laughing at the idea of lowe arranging people to post on an internet forum as if it were the strangest concept in the world. I simply reminded you that is exactly what he did.....and used SFC / SLH money to do so. Do i think 19 cafe is a lowe plant of course not. Does lowe have people posting on here....who knows.

 

Lowe hated Saints forever long before wilde came on the scene. Its something he can't control and gives people a voice. If he could close this site (Which he can't) the next best thing is .....if you cant beat them join them.............but may be with IP masking this time

 

Gemmel - I accept that he may of in past resorted to some sort of activity here - be it himself or via a 3rd party - I will take your word for it - I have no other evidence. I'm afraid that most of the so called 'facts' or 'factual information' that I have seen posted here is of sceptical origin to say the least.

 

That said - I'm sure that 'staff of the club' do indeed 'pop in' from time to time to get some sort of opinion as to what is being said about the club. But we who frequent this board are not the majority of fans - we are the minority, therefore I doubt that too much heed is taken about most threads within the walls of SMS.

 

I'm not too sure where you get the 'hate' thing from - I'm afraid that just makes absolutely no sence whatsoever to me. Any business man who works in a company that he 'hates' will either leave or destroy the company as quickly as possible. As we all know RL has shares in the company and he is probably really only trying desperately to hold on to those shares - turn the share price around, and not lose too much money into the bargain.

 

The fact that he has made a total mess of SFC since his return is not here or there - I really don't think that he 'hates' the club at all. Bloody minded, misguided, overpowering - yes - but at the end of the day a businessman who has ****ed it up and is now desperately trying to sort the shyte.

 

Does he really have time to attend to a few cyberwarriors such as ourselves at a time like this - I doubt it very much. If Nineteen Canteen has been hired to try to brainwash us all into becoming Pro-Lowe then I wouldn't pay him a dime - cause he's turned nobody as far as I can tell.

[diggers]

forward. first the priority is maintain CCC status and remain solvent. I'm prepared to be influenced but i can't see any practical and quick solution that can achieve those two absolute prerequisite objectives for the end of the season.

 

I think that the problem I and many of my season ticket holding friends have is that [if] we somehow do manage to achieve the latest (two)great escape(s), Where do we go from here?

Next season looks like the same old again. - Lowe in is track suit interfering where he shouldn't, mixed results, pre season anticipation followed by the reality that our debts will prohibit the club from the level of investment in playing staff it needs to gain promotion, followed by more unrest, protests, threats of admin.

IMHO we (SFC) sort this mess out once and for all and accept that the Phoenix can only rise from ashes caused from a god all mighty fire.. or we could do as you say NC. Trouble is, I don't forget, and when I go through all the ****-ups that can be directly attributed at Lowe over his tenure, I just can't place my trust in him.

I've missed a lot of this site over the last couple of weeks, so sorry if its been asked before but how long have you had a season ticket NC?

[Gemmel]

Gemmel - I accept that he may of in past resorted to some sort of activity here - be it himself or via a 3rd party - I will take your word for it - I have no other evidence. I'm afraid that most of the so called 'facts' or 'factual information' that I have seen posted here is of sceptical origin to say the least.

 

That said - I'm sure that 'staff of the club' do indeed 'pop in' from time to time to get some sort of opinion as to what is being said about the club. But we who frequent this board are not the majority of fans - we are the minority, therefore I doubt that too much heed is taken about most threads within the walls of SMS.

 

I'm not too sure where you get the 'hate' thing from - I'm afraid that just makes absolutely no sence whatsoever to me. Any business man who works in a company that he 'hates' will either leave or destroy the company as quickly as possible. As we all know RL has shares in the company and he is probably really only trying desperately to hold on to those shares - turn the share price around, and not lose too much money into the bargain.

 

The fact that he has made a total mess of SFC since his return is not here or there - I really don't think that he 'hates' the club at all. Bloody minded, misguided, overpowering - yes - but at the end of the day a businessman who has ****ed it up and is now desperately trying to sort the shyte.

 

Does he really have time to attend to a few cyberwarriors such as ourselves at a time like this - I doubt it very much. If Nineteen Canteen has been hired to try to brainwash us all into becoming Pro-Lowe then I wouldn't pay him a dime - cause he's turned nobody as far as I can tell.

 

 

Micky, "Saints Forever" was the old website that this was one was born from. I didn't say he hates Saints (Youre not from Ireland by any chance )

 

I never have been, am, or likely to be "ITK" but "The voice of discontent" and various other things which i wont post, together with hiring a PA firm to post on the forum suggests that mr lowe, coupled with the Football Chairman who had at least 2 logins, recognise the weight any well subscribed forum holds.

[Micky]

Micky, "Saints Forever" was the old website that this was one was born from. I didn't say he hates Saints (Youre not from Ireland by any chance )

 

I never have been, am, or likely to be "ITK" but "The voice of discontent" and various other things which i wont post, together with hiring a PA firm to post on the forum suggests that mr lowe, coupled with the Football Chairman who had at least 2 logins, recognise the weight any well subscribed forum holds.

 

Yes I am aware of Saints Forever - posted there myself. I think also that RL will have learned lessons from his (alleged) participation. Having re-read you last post I can now see that what you said was that Lowe hate Saints Forever and not Saints forever..!!

 

However, as I alluded to before - I really see little benefit to SFC staff other than to guage the hot topics. And remember we are not the majority - Lowe will pay us little credance - a bit like those who protested. There were 500 - 1000 protesting fans outside of SMS and 14000 'content' fans inside SMS - that is how it will be perceived by RL and probably those who hold no opinion either way.

[Gemmel]

Yes I am aware of Saints Forever - posted there myself. I think also that RL will have learned lessons from his (alleged) participation. Having re-read you last post I can now see that what you said was that Lowe hate Saints Forever and not Saints forever..!!

 

However, as I alluded to before - I really see little benefit to SFC staff other than to guage the hot topics. And remember we are not the majority - Lowe will pay us little credance - a bit like those who protested. There were 500 - 1000 protesting fans outside of SMS and 14000 'content' fans inside SMS - that is how it will be perceived by RL and probably those who hold no opinion either way.

 

 

Nothing "Alleged" about it . The club put their hands up to it.

 

Don't beleive for one minute that lowe doesnt give this site credance. This is the biggest single collection of Saints fans that exists. He might well dismiss a lot of the threads out of hand (And probably quite rightly), but this is the biggest vocie that Saints fans have. Ask him why he felt the need to spend the clubs money on trying to trick his own customers into believing things written by his PA company posing as being Saints fans.

 

Google it is not, but this site has more members than any other Saints organisation and can talk to that memembrship instantly. Trust me he hates it.

[Gingeletiss]

Benji I think its a misconception to say that the current board should be solely responsible for answering questions if we fall into administration.

 

They should be solely responsible for answering many more questions!!....hark! is that silence we hear from St marys.

 

A lot of their problems have been with them from day 1 and hence decisions have been made that probably wouldn't have been in better times. What was the infamous stat under the Hone and Crouch watch? Wages 80% of turnover? It's surprising we were still in trading at the start of the season.

 

 

You do love to twist things........who appointed Hone?????, but hey, sling Crouch in there as well.

 

BTW I think its important to say that I am not a Lowe Luvvie ...Classic, pure comedy...but I am a pragmatist who looks for practical readily achievable solutions that can be implemented incrementally if necessary to achieve long term goals. I don't like 'pie in the sky' pipe dreams.

 

Yet you support a man that does..............

 

At the moment because of external pressures the only way forward IMO is the status quo or invite Crouch onto board on the football side

 

And you believe that if this happened, he would have any say in what goes on...........you are deluded man. We've been here before, on one of Rupert's loaded boards.

 

and Wilde can take his fans parliament idea forward.

 

Rupes would love that...........a few free season tickets, a few invites to the exec boxes, and he will have them 'owed'

 

Both these ways are just incremental steps but first the priority is maintain CCC status and remain solvent. I'm prepared to be influenced ....keep it up, my sides are splitting....but i can't see any practical and quick solution that can achieve those two absolute prerequisite objectives for the end of the season.

 

I won't answer your longwinded post, no point, but will repond to this one.

So please respond, as according to one of your other posts, 'you discuss this in depth'....I won't hold my breath, as when I've given you the opportunity on other threads, you simply up sticks to another thread, and start your defence of Rupe's,all over again.

[Professor]

Seriously, chatting to a Saints fan in Woolston this week, he said he wanted Lowe out of SFC. When I asked him "what's your reason?" (emphasis on the 'your'), he didn't know but said, everyone else wants that as well. The logic of the mob. So guys, have a reality check, and then protest when you know why you are doing it. 'Lowe out' at any price, even if the team are doing well is also the logic of the madhouse, and is the approach that Wilde adopted last time, that got us nowhere. Lowe will go in good time, but we need that to be when there is someone better to come in, not when his going would simply leave a vacuum.

[Daren W]

you're forgetting how fickle saints fans are

 

One thing I do find quite sickening is the smugness of the pro Lowe camp for whom three, easily admittedly wonderful, successive wins seems to have completely erased six months of complete incompetance from Lowe.

 

This is still the same chairman who booted out a good manager and brought in a man who brought this club to its knees. The fact that he got a good man to run the first team is by the by, it was purely and simply Lowe's meddling that created this mess in the first place and for that and the many, many other mistakes he's made over the years that he should go.

 

It amazes me that if we have a star striker who once knocked them in left right and centre and then suddenly couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, would the rabidly pro Lowe lobby stand by him? Season after season of five goals a year, on top wages, would we keep him or would he be on his way? No, he'd be off. So why is it different for a chairman for whom Cardiff is light years away?

 

We still have Lowe, under whom we got relegated; We still have Wilde, under whose stewardship we blew what little money we had left. To sit there and think we should be congratulating these two rather than actively seeking to get them out of the club is sheer madness.

 

will I be protesting? No. The only thing I'm concerned with is avoiding relegation and getting behind the team but when the season is over I, like many others, want a clean slate with a new chairman and a new start.

[Tamesaint]

Seriously, chatting to a Saints fan in Woolston this week, he said he wanted Lowe out of SFC. When I asked him "what's your reason?" (emphasis on the 'your'), he didn't know but said, everyone else wants that as well. The logic of the mob. So guys, have a reality check, and then protest when you know why you are doing it. 'Lowe out' at any price, even if the team are doing well is also the logic of the madhouse, and is the approach that Wilde adopted last time, that got us nowhere. Lowe will go in good time, but we need that to be when there is someone better to come in, not when his going would simply leave a vacuum.

 

Well if a bloke in Woolston said that it must be true mustn't it?? I think most anti Loweites know why they dislike Lowe - even if your bloke didn't.

 

Perhaps you have answered the debate earlier in the thread asking why Lowe both in the past & these days considers PR to be so important and why he sends out his PR team onto this forum.

[Tamesaint]

One thing I do find quite sickening is the smugness of the pro Lowe camp for whom three, easily admittedly wonderful, successive wins seems to have completely erased six months of complete incompetance from Lowe.

 

This is still the same chairman who booted out a good manager and brought in a man who brought this club to its knees. The fact that he got a good man to run the first team is by the by, it was purely and simply Lowe's meddling that created this mess in the first place and for that and the many, many other mistakes he's made over the years that he should go.

 

It amazes me that if we have a star striker who once knocked them in left right and centre and then suddenly couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, would the rabidly pro Lowe lobby stand by him? Season after season of five goals a year, on top wages, would we keep him or would he be on his way? No, he'd be off. So why is it different for a chairman for whom Cardiff is light years away?

 

We still have Lowe, under whom we got relegated; We still have Wilde, under whose stewardship we blew what little money we had left. To sit there and think we should be congratulating these two rather than actively seeking to get them out of the club is sheer madness.

 

will I be protesting? No. The only thing I'm concerned with is avoiding relegation and getting behind the team but when the season is over I, like many others, want a clean slate with a new chairman and a new start.

 

Top post!!

[um pahars]

, not when his going would simply leave a vacuum.

 

No one is suggesting he just goes and we then do nothing about it, or that we only look for a replacement once he has left.

 

Instead, people are suggesting we get out there now and start the search for a competent CEO/Chairman who should be working full time, even if it costs more, as IMHO just because he is cheap is hardly a ringing endorsement of why we continue with Lowe (after all why not continue with Poortvliet as he was cheap:rolleyes:).

 

Parry is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season, are you suggesting they will cease to trade?

 

What do you think they will be doing between now and then?

 

It was the right decision for Lowe to step down a few years back and the farce of Total Football and the U turn undertaken in 6 months shows he should not be involved in the decision making process at our Club.

 

Why we insist on dipping into the same incompetent, failed and stagnant gene-pool of shareholders to appoint our CEO/Chairman just beggars belief.

[Gingeletiss]

Daren............I agree with every word, well, every word except the last couple of lines;).

 

But it can be said a thousand times on here, and most likely has been, but those that blindly toe the party line, cannot see the wood for the trees. They keep trotting out the same old mantra, hoping that all of the 'fans' (NC), who do have a recall greater than two days, will bow down, and worship at the feet of the holy one. Well I for one, can't stand the smugness of him, and what point he has brought our club to.

 

I'll be the first to admit we were punching above our weight for many years in the premiership, but honestly felt we were on the way to being a top half team.................then, the down turn. We know when it was, we know who it was, we don't know why it was, but it was a slide of epic proportions, and all the while, Mr Lowe was in charge. I can't think of any other job where he would of survived so long, let alone be re-employed.

[JohnnyFartPants]

One thing I do find quite sickening is the smugness of the pro Lowe camp for whom three, easily admittedly wonderful, successive wins seems to have completely erased six months of complete incompetance from Lowe.

 

This is still the same chairman who booted out a good manager and brought in a man who brought this club to its knees. The fact that he got a good man to run the first team is by the by, it was purely and simply Lowe's meddling that created this mess in the first place and for that and the many, many other mistakes he's made over the years that he should go.

 

It amazes me that if we have a star striker who once knocked them in left right and centre and then suddenly couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, would the rabidly pro Lowe lobby stand by him? Season after season of five goals a year, on top wages, would we keep him or would he be on his way? No, he'd be off. So why is it different for a chairman for whom Cardiff is light years away?

 

We still have Lowe, under whom we got relegated; We still have Wilde, under whose stewardship we blew what little money we had left. To sit there and think we should be congratulating these two rather than actively seeking to get them out of the club is sheer madness.

 

will I be protesting? No. The only thing I'm concerned with is avoiding relegation and getting behind the team but when the season is over I, like many others, want a clean slate with a new chairman and a new start.

 

If lying of the canvas equals "down and out" or relegated, couldn't "to it's knees" quite easily mean avoiding relegation on the last day of the season?

[saintwarwick]

Well if a bloke in Woolston said that it must be true mustn't it?? I think most anti Loweites know why they dislike Lowe - even if your bloke didn't.

 

Perhaps you have answered the debate earlier in the thread asking why Lowe both in the past & these days considers PR to be so important and why he sends out his PR team onto this forum.

 

Who is this PR team?

[OldNick]

One thing I do find quite sickening is the smugness of the pro Lowe camp for whom three, easily admittedly wonderful, successive wins seems to have completely erased six months of complete incompetance from Lowe.

 

This is still the same chairman who booted out a good manager and brought in a man who brought this club to its knees. The fact that he got a good man to run the first team is by the by, it was purely and simply Lowe's meddling that created this mess in the first place and for that and the many, many other mistakes he's made over the years that he should go.

 

It amazes me that if we have a star striker who once knocked them in left right and centre and then suddenly couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, would the rabidly pro Lowe lobby stand by him? Season after season of five goals a year, on top wages, would we keep him or would he be on his way? No, he'd be off. So why is it different for a chairman for whom Cardiff is light years away?

 

We still have Lowe, under whom we got relegated; We still have Wilde, under whose stewardship we blew what little money we had left. To sit there and think we should be congratulating these two rather than actively seeking to get them out of the club is sheer madness.

 

will I be protesting? No. The only thing I'm concerned with is avoiding relegation and getting behind the team but when the season is over I, like many others, want a clean slate with a new chairman and a new start.

I think you are right to some degree.It would be best if RL and MW left the club, but do you alos agree the rest lock and barrel should go. Surely you wouldn't wish for LM KW Askham and others still to be there.They all have played their part, it is just RL who has been the fall 'fool' guy.

As for NP he is a legend on the back of 3 wins. Yes he keep us up, but I know full well that had he been a Lowe appointment it would have been said he took us from a comfortable position that we could have made the playoffs to 20 minutes of going down.

He has had an easy ride as he was part of LC's time.

NP was good for us as he united the fans and that is why I wished for him to stay, but boy did he nearly mess it up.

[saintwarwick]

Daren............I agree with every word, well, every word except the last couple of lines;).

 

But it can be said a thousand times on here, and most likely has been, but those that blindly toe the party line, cannot see the wood for the trees. They keep trotting out the same old mantra, hoping that all of the 'fans' (NC), who do have a recall greater than two days, will bow down, and worship at the feet of the holy one. Well I for one, can't stand the smugness of him, and what point he has brought our club to.

 

I'll be the first to admit we were punching above our weight for many years in the premiership, but honestly felt we were on the way to being a top half team.................then, the down turn. We know when it was, we know who it was, we don't know why it was, but it was a slide of epic proportions, and all the while, Mr Lowe was in charge. I can't think of any other job where he would of survived so long, let alone be re-employed.

 

Yes we had a down turn but did we bounce back when the Wilde bunch came to power (a bunch I voted for and hoped it would work). The fact is until all the killjoys have gone we will be just like WBA, bouncing backwards and forwards.

[SaintDonkey]

Who is this PR team?

 

Stanley

[INFLUENCED.COM]

bouncing backwards and forwards.

 

Still waiting that bounce forwards SW

[INFLUENCED.COM]

brought in a man who brought this club to its knees.

 

This club is on its arse due to the financial plight which is why those who brought in those that led us to the brink of administration are as culpable, clean sweep ? yes please but yet to see any sign of the brush.

[Ian the Red]

 

will I be protesting? No. The only thing I'm concerned with is avoiding relegation and getting behind the team but when the season is over I, like many others, want a clean slate with a new chairman and a new start.

 

This is one of the few posts that makes sense. No point in protesting now, our survival in the CCC should be the most important issue at the present time. Get behind the manager, the players and team for the remaining games of this season. At the end or when we are safe that is the time to protest. But there is one point that people seem to miss, no matter how much people protest, RL and MW will go nowhere until someone buys them out.

[SW11_Saint]

This is one of the few posts that makes sense. No point in protesting now, our survival in the CCC should be the most important issue at the present time. Get behind the manager, the players and team for the remaining games of this season. At the end or when we are safe that is the time to protest. But there is one point that people seem to miss, no matter how much people protest, RL and MW will go nowhere until someone buys them out.

Been thinking about this - how to show our total support for the team during the run-in, yet also get the point across to the board that we have had enough?

 

What about a concerted effort to get everyone out to every remaining home game - I'm talking about getting our gates up to c.25k+ for every game left (if we can get to 30k so much the better). We can publicise this via local media so that the board understand it is a clear show of support to the team (and a reminder of the potential of SFC IF you get it right) and is in effect a positive protest against their running of the club. We could even do something around the red cards etc. as the board take their seats for the second half...

 

Worth a thought?

[bridge too far]

Been thinking about this - how to show our total support for the team during the run-in, yet also get the point across to the board that we have had enough?

 

What about a concerted effort to get everyone out to every remaining home game - I'm talking about getting our gates up to c.25k+ for every game left (if we can get to 30k so much the better). We can publicise this via local media so that the board understand it is a clear show of support to the team (and a reminder of the potential of SFC IF you get it right) and is in effect a positive protest against their running of the club. We could even do something around the red cards etc. as the board take their seats for the second half...

 

Worth a thought?

 

I think this is a very good idea. But a 'spokesman' would be needed to explain the thinking behind the exercise. Otherwise, it will be hi-jacked by those with other agendae.

 

There must be someone ideally suited to be that spokesman - someone who can hold their own with the media and explain things succinctly?

[OldNick]

Been thinking about this - how to show our total support for the team during the run-in, yet also get the point across to the board that we have had enough?

 

What about a concerted effort to get everyone out to every remaining home game - I'm talking about getting our gates up to c.25k+ for every game left (if we can get to 30k so much the better). We can publicise this via local media so that the board understand it is a clear show of support to the team (and a reminder of the potential of SFC IF you get it right) and is in effect a positive protest against their running of the club. We could even do something around the red cards etc. as the board take their seats for the second half...

 

Worth a thought?

and how can that prove anything, the gates after the last few results will improve. I may as well say all the pro Lowes turned up for the Man u cup game and the stadium was full.

That exercise should have been done when we were at the lowest not now. If we go on a bad run again (i dearly hope not) then try it but after a few wins it is a worthless scheme as it proves nothing. I suggest a march will show how the fans still feel now.

The fear of relegation galvanised fans and many lost their nerve/patience and so joined in. i would doubt a march would get 75% of the marchers it did then.I also feel that many would now not feel comfortable as it got confused about Wotte out and also sitting in public highways.

[Foxy]

I do assume that alot of people will still be protesting at the next home game? Seeing as a few wins shouldn't make our opinons on the board suddenly change, right??

 

Yeah, the protest will be just as effective

[Gingeletiss]

and how can that prove anything, the gates after the last few results will improve. I may as well say all the pro Lowes turned up for the Man u cup game and the stadium was full.

That exercise should have been done when we were at the lowest not now. If we go on a bad run again (i dearly hope not) then try it but after a few wins it is a worthless scheme as it proves nothing. I suggest a march will show how the fans still feel now.

The fear of relegation galvanised fans and many lost their nerve/patience and so joined in. i would doubt a march would get 75% of the marchers it did then.I also feel that many would now not feel comfortable as it got confused about Wotte out and also sitting in public highways.

 

The thing with you nick, is you never answer questions when pressed, and like Nineteen canteen, you keep coming back with the same old stuff, and try and merge separate events to suit your/Lowe's viewpoint. Above is a prime example, you always ask for proof, when challenging an 'anti Lowe', then come out with drivel like this, and claim it for fact. Knowing Man Utd games, I'd say that some were neutrals, some fair weather fans, and a lot were closet Man U fans..........but hey, at least that's a guess on my part, not dressed up as the truth.

 

You and the 'we love Lowe' few, are the only ones confusing the issue, so I'll try again..............it's Lowe some want gone....hello!!

[OldNick]

The thing with you nick, is you never answer questions when pressed, and like Nineteen canteen, you keep coming back with the same old stuff, and try and merge separate events to suit your/Lowe's viewpoint. Above is a prime example, you always ask for proof, when challenging an 'anti Lowe', then come out with drivel like this, and claim it for fact. Knowing Man Utd games, I'd say that some were neutrals, some fair weather fans, and a lot were closet Man U fans..........but hey, at least that's a guess on my part, not dressed up as the truth.

 

You and the 'we love Lowe' few, are the only ones confusing the issue, so I'll try again..............it's Lowe some want gone....hello!!

Well if you were at the game you will know that when Utd scored there was only celebration apart from in the away end in corporate and a few in the directors box.The chairman was RL, I do not know all the fans personally and when we were in the PL the make up of the crowds were the same, and no doubt the SU game last season the same. Until you realise that not all fans are driven by who is on the board and stop actring like a kid as yuo can't get your way and have a chairman you want you will forever be upset. I would like a chairman who cares for the club who is wealthy enough to get us a great team. At present we have neither and no one around remotely like it, so i get on with it.

If the oppostion or the team is doing well fans will turn up. Only a couple of thousnad are that motivated to not go due to RL at best. yes we are all tired of the squabbles in the boardroom but i myself would only accept him gone if they are ALL gone.

Dont tell me i dont answer questions because i do, it is just because you cant accept my opinion or answer that gets you riled.

You havent got a good enough arguement to make me become a very anti Lowe. i want him gone but only if the rest go. If not we are in the same position but just different faces.

Tell me when in the last 30 years the board have really delivered to the fans?

I have been used a a mug punter since i first went in the late sixties and still am. The club have given me nothing except a few great memories, lots of sleepless nights and much frustration.

[Nineteen Canteen]

One thing I do find quite sickening is the smugness of the pro Lowe camp for whom three, easily admittedly wonderful, successive wins seems to have completely erased six months of complete incompetance from Lowe.

 

This is still the same chairman who booted out a good manager and brought in a man who brought this club to its knees. The fact that he got a good man to run the first team is by the by, it was purely and simply Lowe's meddling that created this mess in the first place and for that and the many, many other mistakes he's made over the years that he should go.

 

It amazes me that if we have a star striker who once knocked them in left right and centre and then suddenly couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo, would the rabidly pro Lowe lobby stand by him? Season after season of five goals a year, on top wages, would we keep him or would he be on his way? No, he'd be off. So why is it different for a chairman for whom Cardiff is light years away?

 

We still have Lowe, under whom we got relegated; We still have Wilde, under whose stewardship we blew what little money we had left. To sit there and think we should be congratulating these two rather than actively seeking to get them out of the club is sheer madness.

 

will I be protesting? No. The only thing I'm concerned with is avoiding relegation and getting behind the team but when the season is over I, like many others, want a clean slate with a new chairman and a new start.

 

Not sure I have ever read a post that congratulates Wilde but as the main shareholder he is an enemy you need to keep close to your side. I agree with you and wish the man never darkened our door and I seriously doubt we would be where we are today had Lowe remained in charge. The perceived mistakes have come about from the severely limted availability of funds this season and when your back is that far against the wall risks have to be taken.

 

Had Lowe appointed JP in happier times then that would have been highly questionable but the truth is none of us know the real nature of the onversations between the club and its creditors that clearly gave rise to JP and the youth policy. We mock and criticise largely from a position of ignorance and prejudice and as Professor commented at times its simply mob mentality with individuals just standing in line because it seems to be the 'done thing' with no understanding as to why. A sad state of affairs.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Who is this PR team?

 

Me apparently, I must update my CV might look good to have some public relations experience on it. That reminds me, I must update my hobbies/interests as in the last 2 days I have developed an interest in SFC.

[um pahars]

Had Lowe appointed JP in happier times then that would have been highly questionable

 

Had Poortvliet been appointed in happier times then indeed it would have been highly questionable, so to appoint him at such a critical time in the Club's history just makes it questionable x 10!!!!

 

When we were in such a delicate and crucial position with regards on and off the pitch, it just beggars belief that we go for such a revolutionary and untried set up, particularly when there was a set up in place that had potential.

 

If ever there was a time for consolidating, then it was last summer.

 

Instead we took a huge gamble on an inexeperienced coach (and as it turned out, useless as well), a gamble that could still prove very costly.

[um pahars]

got confused about Wotte out and also sitting in public highways.

 

It was only confusing to those who are easily confused (i.e. you and NickG).

[Gingeletiss]

Well if you were at the game

 

Nope....you've got me. I wasn't at the game (Still hanging onto my principles)

 

you will know that when Utd scored there was only celebration apart from in the away end in corporate and a few in the directors box.

 

I have been to several Man U games though, and know that many around me, don't jump up and celebrate if Saints score.....must be neutrals!!!.

 

The chairman which Chairman was RL, You do know nick, that RL is not the club Chairman....silly me, of course you do!!!! I do not know all the fans personally and when we were in the PL the make up of the crowds were the same, and no doubt the SU game last season the same. Until you realise that not all fans are driven by who is on the board

 

Never said they were....can remember a fair few calling for his exit a couple of years ago um!!!! yes!!!!....that was all the ground...did you stand up nick?

 

and stop actring like a kid as yuo can't get your way and have a chairman you want you will forever be upset.

 

I have made this bold, then you can see how silly you come across as.

 

I would like a chairman who cares for the club so why support Rupes who is wealthy enough he never will be to get us a great team you will be waiting a long time. At present we have neither and no one around remotely like it, are you sure, seems to me there are hundreds of wealthy men/consortium's so i get on with it.

If the oppostion or the team is doing well fans will turn up. Only a couple of thousnad are that motivated to not go due to RL at best So do your sums nick..... a couple of thousand x £30(average)=??. yes we are all tired of the squabbles in the boardroom but i myself would only accept him gone if they are ALL gone.

 

Ha!!!!!common ground

 

Dont tell me i dont answer questions because i do, it is just because you cant accept my opinion or answer that gets you riled.

 

I accept your opinion, quite the reverse, you and your little Rupie club, can't accept that there are fans who can want him gone, and still be supporters.......not riled at all......bemused maybe.

 

You havent got a good enough arguement to make me become a very anti Lowe.

 

LOL.......but you have blindly become 'a very pro Lowe', even though the very facts support the theory, that he has almost single handedly put this club in the position we find ourself today.

 

i want him gone but only if the rest go. If not we are in the same position but just different faces.

Tell me when in the last 30 years the board have really delivered to the fans?

 

Never...............what's your point??

 

I have been used a a mug punter since i first went in the late sixties and still am. The club have given me nothing except a few great memories, lots of sleepless nights and much frustration.

 

 

Ok nick..........to help you out, my comments are the Red ones.

[OldNick]

Ok nick..........to help you out, my comments are the Red ones.

Well you may have been able to mark your replies in red, are you a teacher?So 32000 turn up and some are neutral. What a surprise, every game has neutral fans there.The point which seems too high brow for you is that the crowds is dramatically higher when a glamour team come. The chairman is the same, therefore it is fair to accept that they turn up when the games are more glamorous or we are winning. not because the chairman is Lowe , Crouch Corbett or Michael Jackson.

I call him the chairman as Lowe gets a bit tedious all the time.

Well if you think there are hundreds of wealthy men or consortiums out there get off your backside and get 1 in.Nobody else has been lucky and it is not as though it isnr common knowledge we're for sale.

2000 x £30 is 60k is useful, but Im still sceptical they would all come back if RL left.It didnt happen last time did it?

I wish for them all gone, and until then I will still support the team, I still went when the Wilde bunch rode into town and came in against my wishes i didnt sulk until they were gone.

[OldNick]

It was only confusing to those who are easily confused (i.e. you and NickG).

Well the lads at the front were confused when they were carrying their 'Wotte out' placards and when they were also interviewed for the telly. Now what was the march about? Was it to get Rl to leave as well as getting Wotte out, LC in, MC as chairwoman, LM to return?

You ask a lot of the marchers and it would be a combination of Lowe out and a mixture of the rest

[Gingeletiss]

Well you may have been able to mark your replies in red, are you a teacher?So 32000 turn up and some are neutral. What a surprise, every game has neutral fans there. Irony is lost on you The point which seems too high brow for you is that the crowds is dramatically higher when a glamour team come. Not high brow, not rocket science either ffs, when have I ever said different The chairman is the same, therefore it is fair to accept that they turn up when the games are more glamorous or we are winning. not because the chairman is Lowe , Crouch Corbett or Michael Jackson.

I call him the chairman as Lowe gets a bit tedious all the time. Right I will help you here...Rupert..is..not..the..Chairman..Wilde..is

Well if you think there are hundreds of wealthy men or consortiums out there get off your backside and get 1 in.Nobody else has been lucky and it is not as though it isnr common knowledge we're for sale. That said, I'll have a good stab at the reason why we haven't been taken over.....um!!!...Rupert, do I win a coconut.?

2000 x £30 is 60k is useful, but Im still sceptical they would all come back if RL left.It didnt happen last time did it?

I wish for them all gone, and until then I will still support the team, I still went when the Wilde bunch rode into town and came in against my wishes i didnt sulk until they were gone.

 

So...you admit to being a Luvvie, you admit to being upset when Lowe was ousted......now it all makes sense.

Still a few things you never answered, but hey ho, to much to expect.

 

I'm in Red again......if it helps.

[Gingeletiss]

Well the lads at the front were confused when they were carrying their 'Wotte out' placards and when they were also interviewed for the telly. Now what was the march about? Was it to get Rl to leave as well as getting Wotte out, LC in, MC as chairwoman, LM to return?

You ask a lot of the marchers and it would be a combination of Lowe out and a mixture of the rest

 

 

This has been explained to you several times, young Connor even came on and explained why, but you won't listen, because it doesn't sit with your entrenched viewpoint.

[um pahars]

Well the lads at the front were confused when they were carrying their 'Wotte out' placards and when they were also interviewed for the telly. Now what was the march about? Was it to get Rl to leave as well as getting Wotte out, LC in, MC as chairwoman, LM to return?

You ask a lot of the marchers and it would be a combination of Lowe out and a mixture of the rest

 

Thanks for demonstrating so clearly how easy it is for you to get confused.

 

My reply was the bit below your bit in quotes.

[um pahars]

This has been explained to you several times, young Connor even came on and explained why, but you won't listen, because it doesn't sit with your entrenched viewpoint.

 

nickh is just like NickG in that no matter how many times you answer their questions, they just ignore the answers and pop up again asking the same stuff.

 

I have suggested on numerous occasions that he should read people's replies, but I think his modus opernadi is exactky as you call it, stick his fingers in his ears and whistle when faced with anything he doesn't agree with:smt082

[trousers]

Well the lads at the front were confused when they were carrying their 'Wotte out' placards

 

Wotte was an intrinsic part of the "seamless team" that got us to where we were after 28 games, so to invite him to leave at the time of the initial march wasn't illogical.

 

It's only since the protests and marches began that Wotte has made decent progress by instigating different tactics.

 

So, no "confusion". Quite the opposite. HTH

[Daren W]

Wotte was an intrinsic part of the "seamless team" that got us to where we were after 28 games, so to invite him to leave at the time of the initial march wasn't illogical.

 

It's only since the protests and marches began that Wotte has made decent progress by instigating different tactics.

 

So, no "confusion". Quite the opposite. HTH

 

Well he didn't endear himself to the protesters with his comments about the fans did he?

Why can't people see that the Wotte placards were more down to his ill-timed comments rather than his abilities??

[um pahars]

Why can't people see

 

Simple.

 

nickh only sees what he wants to see.

 

HTH

[georgeg]

I

If we survive relegation and remain solvent then this will represent one of Lowe's greatest achievements

 

FFS- this is a joke right? if we survive relegation mate it will be despite lowes madness

[LostBoys]

Sorry Lowe lovers (and Lowe PR plants like the Nineteen Canteen and Sumdunce Beast - are they the same person because there cannot be two such ridiculous caricatures in Southampton) but I think the next march and protest is scheduled for the next Saturday home game. I think this continuing pressure will get the bank/mortgage holder to get rid of Lowe irrespective of the results. I am looking forward to the 'stand up if you want Lowe out' campaign again because it will mean there are 25,000 people in the Stadium to protest at his antics.

[Thedelldays]

500 people on a march (waving signs about a new manager doing better than the last) is harldy "pressure"

 

I would not be shocked of lowe and co laughed at the protest where people sit in the street singing songs..

 

if you want lowe out then it would have to be a full on branfoot style affair....

[saintwarwick]

Sorry Lowe lovers (and Lowe PR plants like the Nineteen Canteen and Sumdunce Beast - are they the same person because there cannot be two such ridiculous caricatures in Southampton) but I think the next march and protest is scheduled for the next Saturday home game. I think this continuing pressure will get the bank/mortgage holder to get rid of Lowe irrespective of the results. I am looking forward to the 'stand up if you want Lowe out' campaign again because it will mean there are 25,000 people in the Stadium to protest at his antics.

 

You seem to be a bit lost boy, if we have 25,000 fans (with less than half chanting) then the bank/mortgage holder as you refer will see it as a coup as we are struggling to get 15,000 at present :confused:

[Tamesaint]

You seem to be a bit lost boy, if we have 25,000 fans (with less than half chanting) then the bank/mortgage holder as you refer will see it as a coup as we are struggling to get 15,000 at present :confused:

 

Stop confusing fans of Southampton for fans of Lowe. People who go to the matches go to support the team - not Lowe.

 

When a chief executive loses hiis customers , he loses his backers. No bank / mortgage holder would see it as a coup if the ground is full of protesters.

[Gingeletiss]

Stop confusing fans of Southampton for fans of Lowe. People who go to the matches go to support the team - not Lowe.

 

When a chief executive loses hiis customers , he loses his backers. No bank / mortgage holder would see it as a coup if the ground is full of protesters.

 

Well said...there's a few on here that suffer the same affliction, confusing the two. No matter how you tell them, what you say, it's like speaking to a brick wall. Some even think that Lowe is still the Chairman, when in fact it's Wilde.

 

It appears, that in their world, you have to support Lowe if you support the team, if you don't support Lowe, then you are not a fan.

 

I wonder how much their PR pay is??

[Daren W]

500 people on a march (waving signs about a new manager doing better than the last) is harldy "pressure"

 

I would not be shocked of lowe and co laughed at the protest where people sit in the street singing songs..

 

if you want lowe out then it would have to be a full on branfoot style affair....

 

All of which shows the complete and utter helplessness the fans feel. Nothing they do will make a blind bit of difference whilst relatively wealthy men play stupid games with our club.

 

Please god a clean sweep of all of them and a fresh start with a competely new board....

[Thedelldays]

All of which shows the complete and utter helplessness the fans feel. Nothing they do will make a blind bit of difference whilst relatively wealthy men play stupid games with our club.

 

Please god a clean sweep of all of them and a fresh start with a competely new board....

totally agree mate

 

crouch is never the answer for me just another part of the problem

 

i think the wotta notta gotta clue banner will haunt that lad and the club will use that picture to ridicule the protests

 

shame..

[OldNick]

I'm in Red again......if it helps.

Dear Schoolmaster, can you tell me how a man with is it 6% or less of the clubs shares is stopping us being sold?

If as you say there are loads of wealthy men out there and consortiums why buying the club is so difficult. i have a business in the luxury market and know something for sure if a wealthy man wishes to buy something desperately price is not an issue. If a new ferrari is 250k and the waiting list is a year they will pay 350k to get6 one, the same would be if i had the money to buy SFC. There is nothing stopping people buying us, period.

I admit to not wanting the Wilde bunch, I argued with the majority on here that they were all talk. Again I got the same smarmy abuse from Ump on that as well. Again I find it really amusing that we are told that RL keeps making the same mistakes and his critics arew doing the same.Lol.

I myself have made mysdelf clear and will put it again (not in red) I want RL Askham, Wilde,Wiseman,Corbett, Crouch LM and all the others out. In saying that it is no use then them being replaced by another bunch of all talk no action people.

Until then I will go and watch and support SFC through rough and smooth. I will not have a paddy because RL leaves and so not go again on principle the same goes for any other director, I really dont care if they are there or not as long as SFC is.

I also say the owners/ board/ chairman have never done a thing for me as a fan, and I wouldnt expect much anyway as i pay to go and watch a football team that they put together and me in my foolishness feel attached to it as it is called Southampton, not Rupert Lowe 11 or Leon Crouch 11 because if it was i would have given up years ago.