Protest at the Derby home game

[VectisSaint]

Okay, delete chairman - insert decision maker. It matters not to be honest. If he was nothing at all to do with the decision making then he would not be accountable and you might just pipe down a bit. As you won't then it seems that perhaps, title or no title he is still the man pulling the strings.

 

I do actually already know "these things" including a bitter old man when I find one. Someone feel free to copy and paste this for the overgrown child.

OK, here you go....

[VectisSaint]

I received Saints March Newsletter tonight by email, but could not find details of the protest in it.

[Nineteen Canteen]

........But I know why I want Lowe gone, time will not diminish that.

 

I can believe that but neither will logic or consideration of the environment that Lowe now operates in.

 

If we survive relegation and remain solvent then this will represent one of Lowe's greatest achievements and you suggest we reward him with a campaign to oust him? I don't see to many stepping up to the plate and even Crouch admitted he only wanted to take over the football side so perhaps if we survive we have much to be grateful for.

 

For many this anti-Lowe campaign is simply blind prejudice.

[saintwarwick]

I can believe that but neither will logic or consideration of the environment that Lowe now operates in.

 

If we survive relegation and remain solvent then this will represent one of Lowe's greatest achievements and you suggest we reward him with a campaign to oust him? I don't see to many stepping up to the plate and even Crouch admitted he only wanted to take over the football side so perhaps if we survive we have much to be grateful for.

 

For many this anti-Lowe campaign is simply blind prejudice.

 

I don't see Gingeletiss come up with a viable alternative that is willing to take over.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Do not confuse wanting rid of the PLC chairman, and keeping the Club Manager.

 

Do not confuse or ignore the question of loyalty Wotte may have for Lowe. I doubt Wotte will want to stay if he perceives the fanbase are trying to undermine his efforts by campaigning to oust the person who has shown faith in his ability and bringing him to Saints. Adrian is closest to the likely outcome (IMO) in his assumption and don't confuse the fact that Wotte was wanted by Jol at Hamburg so i doubt he will be short of offers.

[SaintRobbie]

I do assume that alot of people will still be protesting at the next home game? Seeing as a few wins shouldn't make our opinons on the board suddenly change, right??

 

We HAVE to protest. Even if Wotte pulls off the most amazing recovery we HAVE to remove Rupert Lowe for good in order for this club to progress united.

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don't see Gingeletiss come up with a viable alternative that is willing to take over.

 

Exactly, or any other of the protesters. Protest without a solution is not dissimilar to Scargill in the 1980's and it was interesting reliving that this morning in the news. The Coal Board was costing the government millions and no alternative but to close pits but Scargill whipped the miners up to strike for their jobs as if it was their divine right to keep them even though they were effectively defunct. Scargill just kept rubbishing the Govt but I cant remember him ever putting forward a workable solution and the Govt just managed the strike but never gave in as ultimately they knew they couldn't lose as there was no alternative solution.

 

Protest without solution and Lowe knows he can simply manage the extremists and get on with the job in hand without even registering the protests are taking place leaving that to is right hand man to ridicule their efforts through on the pitch success.

 

The club deserves better tbh.

[70's Mike]

reading some posts on here and i fear for the future once rupert retires or pops his clogs because their apparently are no alternatives

[saintwarwick]

reading some posts on here and i fear for the future once rupert retires or pops his clogs because their apparently are no alternatives

 

Do you or have you heard of any, genuine question.

[Nineteen Canteen]

We HAVE to protest. Even if Wotte pulls off the most amazing recovery we HAVE to remove Rupert Lowe for good in order for this club to progress united.

 

Alternatively the extremists who feel the need to protest as the club are on the cusp of turning things around can simply walk away. I think it's a malicious rumour the fan base is not united when the majority or hardcore of 15k have been unstinting in their support and contrary to popular belief attendances have increased post the Norwich home win.

 

The majority are not united with the prejudice minority who moan and protest without solution or understanding of the situation.

[aintforever]

Do not confuse or ignore the question of loyalty Wotte may have for Lowe. I doubt Wotte will want to stay if he perceives the fanbase are trying to undermine his efforts by campaigning to oust the person who has shown faith in his ability and bringing him to Saints. Adrian is closest to the likely outcome (IMO) in his assumption and don't confuse the fact that Wotte was wanted by Jol at Hamburg so i doubt he will be short of offers.

 

Wotte wont chuck in the best job he's ever likley to get out of some misplaced loyalty to Lowe. You do talk some rubbish.

[Gingeletiss]

Excellent post. If 'fans' start protesting now we will be ridiculed in the media. the manager and players will be wondering wtf do they have to do to silence the critics and more importantly our closest challengers will be rubbing their hands with glee at the unexpected bonus of Saints fans aiming their weapons

bizarrely at each others foot. Save it until the end of the season afterall 3 games ago the protesters wanted Wotte Out, so hardly a track record of good judgement.

 

If this is not a wind up can someone please tell me what exactly you are marching for? Lowe out and then your solution is what exactly? No names please unless they have signed up to your cause.

 

You really are a peice of work SB..............oh sorry, the new and refined Nineteen canteen. Why bracket fans, what is your implication there??. I'm sure both the manager and players have the intelligence to draw a distinction between being supported on the field, and FANS asking for the man mostly responsible for our woe's, to be removed.

 

FFS, how hard is it to understand. If he was employed to run your company, and ran it the way he ran Southampton PLC, he would of been sacked ages ago, and for sure, he would not of been re-employed by the very people who got shot in the first place.

 

As for who replaces him, look in the buisness section of 'please mate I'm looking for a job'.........there are hundreds of people out there, qualified to do a CEO's job

[70's Mike]

Do you or have you heard of any, genuine question.

 

it is a genuine question , some are so convinced he is the only answer that i cannot see. judged by various posts how we can survive without rupert

[Nineteen Canteen]

I don't like much of what you write on and on and on about 19 Canteen.

 

But that did make me laugh :-) :-)

 

Thats good hopefully i won't be always labelled 'once a scab always a scab' even after 25 years. Admitting in the stadium you actually support what Lowe is trying to achieve requires riot shields for protection from some fairly unhinged individuals.

[um pahars]

it is a genuine question ' date=' some are so convinced he is the only answer that i cannot see. judged by various posts how we can survive without rupert[/quote']

 

At least we will survive longer than Liverpool, as I understand they are folding at the end of the season now that Rick Parry has decided to stand down;)

 

 

Given the major gaffes since his return, Lowe should be removed from the decision making process as soon as the season comes to an end. If we want to hit the ground running, then I suggest the search for a replacement CEO and Chairman get underway ASAP.

[um pahars]

Thats good hopefully i won't be always labelled 'once a scab always a scab' even after 25 years. Admitting in the stadium you actually support what Lowe is trying to achieve requires riot shields for protection from some fairly unhinged individuals.

 

Do these events take place in the Itchen South/Chapel corner??;)

[Nineteen Canteen]

Wotte wont chuck in the best job he's ever likley to get out of some misplaced loyalty to Lowe. You do talk some rubbish.

 

In your opinion of course. If Lowe leaves prepare to deflate.

[Evil Monkey]

Are we marching or not then? I'm not really bothered. I have to walk to St Marys from the city centre anyway. At least this way I wont get lost.

 

Also, when does a group of people walking somewhere become a march?

[Nineteen Canteen]

 

As for who replaces him, look in the buisness section of 'please mate I'm looking for a job'.........there are hundreds of people out there, qualified to do a CEO's job

 

Indeed and who is reponsible for placing the advert?

[um pahars]

Wotte wont chuck in the best job he's ever likley to get out of some misplaced loyalty to Lowe. You do talk some rubbish.

 

Do you remember that letter from Burley last time around;)

 

Be prepared for another one of those to tug on the heartstrings if Lowe's position comes under threat:D

 

I'm sure there are some on here who wouldn't have minded Burley fcking off with Lowe in 2006!!!!!

[Holbury Saint]

Do not confuse or ignore the question of loyalty Wotte may have for Lowe. I doubt Wotte will want to stay if he perceives the fanbase are trying to undermine his efforts by campaigning to oust the person who has shown faith in his ability and bringing him to Saints. Adrian is closest to the likely outcome (IMO) in his assumption and don't confuse the fact that Wotte was wanted by Jol at Hamburg so i doubt he will be short of offers.

 

If Wotte's appointment is deemed to be such a master stroke by Lowe, why the f*kc didn't he get the job in the first place? Lowe only gave him the job because he had failed miserably in appointing Poortvliet and had no other choice due to the finances meaning we were unable to afford to get anyone else in. The appointment of Poortvliet could still prove to be one of Lowes greatest mis-judgements so to big lowe up just because we've won 3 games is ridiculous. Yes, lets get behind Wotte and the team from now until the end of the season but remember why we are in this mess (and yes, look at the league table, we ARE still in a mess). Lowe and Wilde, whether we stay up or go down, are BAD NEWS for this club and mustn't be allowed the chance to make even more mistakes in the future. Crank up the protests but not during games. Lowe will be laughing at us if we allow any future success to cloud our judgement on what almost terminal mistakes he has made. He and Wilde have to go, albeit at the end of the season.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Are we marching or not then? I'm not really bothered. I have to walk to St Marys from the city centre anyway. At least this way I wont get lost.

 

Also, when does a group of people walking somewhere become a march?

 

When they are blowing their trumpets out of tune?

[Nineteen Canteen]

If Wotte's appointment is deemed to be such a master stroke by Lowe, why the f*kc didn't he get the job in the first place? .

 

That's the master stroke. Reverse psychology, success planning, richard wright luck. He's got the job now and that's what matters. Surviavl was teh objective and it look like that can now be achieved, solvency is the next aim.

[Gingeletiss]

Indeed and who is reponsible for placing the advert?

 

The major shareholders.....the cleaning lady!!!!!!.......answer the rest of the post!!.

[Gingeletiss]

That's the master stroke. Reverse psychology, success planning, richard wright luck. He's got the job now and that's what matters. Surviavl was teh objective and it look like that can now be achieved, solvency is the next aim.

 

You sharing with Frank perchance!!!!!!!

[um pahars]

Reverse psychology,

 

Wotte and Poortvliet = reverse psychology :D:D

[Holbury Saint]

That's the master stroke. Reverse psychology, success planning, richard wright luck. He's got the job now and that's what matters. Surviavl was teh objective and it look like that can now be achieved, solvency is the next aim.

 

There you go, you've said it yourself........LUCK

 

You are quite clearly close to Lowe and I have a pretty good idea who you are, but you are making a fool of yourself doing his PR campaign all the time for him. You clearly don't really give a sh*t about Saints you just want to keep wiping Lowes a*s for him like your Askhams, Richards, etc. Christ knows what hold he has over you but you should really just own up and admit that Lowe and Wilde have made too many mistakes and in the whole have not been good for the club. If Lowe wasn't so pig headed and admitted his mistake in appointing Poortvliet earlier then we would more than likely not been in this mess in the first place. Be a man and say it how it REALLY is and not as Lowes bum buddy

[Wopper]

Do not confuse or ignore the question of loyalty Wotte may have for Lowe. I doubt Wotte will want to stay if he perceives the fanbase are trying to undermine his efforts by campaigning to oust the person who has shown faith in his ability and bringing him to Saints. Adrian is closest to the likely outcome (IMO) in his assumption and don't confuse the fact that Wotte was wanted by Jol at Hamburg so i doubt he will be short of offers.

 

Who cares ?

[Weston Saint]

There you go, you've said it yourself........LUCK

 

You are quite clearly close to Lowe and I have a pretty good idea who you are, but you are making a fool of yourself doing his PR campaign all the time for him. You clearly don't really give a sh*t about Saints you just want to keep wiping Lowes a*s for him like your Askhams, Richards, etc. Christ knows what hold he has over you but you should really just own up and admit that Lowe and Wilde have made too many mistakes and in the whole have not been good for the club. If Lowe wasn't so pig headed and admitted his mistake in appointing Poortvliet earlier then we would more than likely not been in this mess in the first place. Be a man and say it how it REALLY is and not as Lowes bum buddy

Holbury, he is not who you think. How do I know? Because the only connection he has to Saints is his season ticket and as a supporter.

[benjii]

Exactly, or any other of the protesters. Protest without a solution is not dissimilar to Scargill in the 1980's and it was interesting reliving that this morning in the news. The Coal Board was costing the government millions and no alternative but to close pits but Scargill whipped the miners up to strike for their jobs as if it was their divine right to keep them even though they were effectively defunct. Scargill just kept rubbishing the Govt but I cant remember him ever putting forward a workable solution and the Govt just managed the strike but never gave in as ultimately they knew they couldn't lose as there was no alternative solution.

 

Protest without solution and Lowe knows he can simply manage the extremists and get on with the job in hand without even registering the protests are taking place leaving that to is right hand man to ridicule their efforts through on the pitch success.

 

The club deserves better tbh.

 

This sort of post makes me laugh.

 

Do you honestly believe there are no competent chief execs capable of running a fairly small company that would jump at the opportunity?

 

Here's an idea: all 3 major shareholders take a non-executive position. "Continutity" Jones continues as FD, an executive chairman, maybe someone with a decent track record in entertainment/sports/marketing is appointed. Obviously that would involve Lowe and Wilde acting without vendetta or ego, so I concede it is extremely unlikely.

Edited 5 March, 2009 by benjii

[SaintRobbie]

Alternatively the extremists who feel the need to protest as the club are on the cusp of turning things around can simply walk away. I think it's a malicious rumour the fan base is not united when the majority or hardcore of 15k have been unstinting in their support and contrary to popular belief attendances have increased post the Norwich home win.

 

The majority are not united with the prejudice minority who moan and protest without solution or understanding of the situation.

 

I think your idea of the 'minority' is dillusional ol friend. You have to be stark raving mad or related to Lowe not to see that we all want him out for good. You have to be even madder to want him to stay at the club. Which one are you?

[SW11_Saint]

At least we will survive longer than Liverpool, as I understand they are folding at the end of the season now that Rick Parry has decided to stand down;)

 

 

Given the major gaffes since his return, Lowe should be removed from the decision making process as soon as the season comes to an end. If we want to hit the ground running, then I suggest the search for a replacement CEO and Chairman get underway ASAP.

Rick Parry is looking for work...

[Nineteen Canteen]

You sharing with Frank perchance!!!!!!!

 

Only if it means that when you can't debate a point successfully you revert to pointing out a person's spelling mistakes or making extremely pedantic observations.

[trousers]

If Wotte's appointment is deemed to be such a master stroke by Lowe, why the f*kc didn't he get the job in the first place?

 

Precisely.

 

I've been posing the question "Who put Lowe onto Poortvliet?" for days now (or is that weeks?!) and no-one seems to have a Scooby....or maybe they do....?

[trousers]

Holbury, he is not who you think. How do I know? Because the only connection he has to Saints is his season ticket and as a supporter.

 

By jove...I think I've got it.....is it celebrity chef James Martin?

Edited 5 March, 2009 by trousers

[bridge too far]

Precisely.

 

I've been posing the question "Who put Lowe onto Poortvliet?" for days now (or is that weeks?!) and no-one seems to have a Scooby....or maybe they do....?

 

I see what you did there

[um pahars]

Rick Parry is looking for work...

 

Too expensive for us.

 

However, it will be sad when Liverpool go out of existence at the end of the season. Do you think they will only relegate two teams, or will they promote four?????

[Nineteen Canteen]

This sort of post makes me laugh.

 

Do you honestly believe there are no competent chief execs capable of running a fairly small company that would jump at the opportunity?

 

Here's an idea: all 3 major shareholders take a non-executive position. "Continutity" Jones continues as FD, an executive chairman, maybe someone with a decent track record in entertainment/sports/marketing is appointed. Obviously that would involve Lowe and Wilde acting without vendetta or ego, so I concede it is extremely unlikely.

 

Benji I don't disagree with the statement in bold above and have discussed it at length on other threads. However, it is ironic that the solution being put forward requires the assistance of the person the fans are being so vitrioloc about and surely you can see that is not the brightest approach.

 

You say Lowe's ego or vendetta won't let him leave but it may simply be the case that as someone with a vested interest along with Wilde they feel best placed to dig us out of this hole. I would have supported a week ago in the interests of unity and an increase in attendance for Crouch to be invited to join the board and the protesters should make that their position with the personal backing of Crouch rather than simple name dropping. At least its more readily achievable and would add a more alledgedly 'fan friendly' focus to the board. A protest with a solution all in one would attract more positive interest.

 

However, the attitude of some fairly churlish and prejudice corners of our fan base I feel I am once again entrenched back in simply supporting Lowe if the protesters still feel the need to march as the club have improved, continue to ignore the risk of administration and still march for Lowe to be removed with no one with the power to achieve their aim or sufficient numbers in supporters to make a difference.

 

As far as I am concerned the signs are there that the club is still on the brink financially and Lowe is probably a touch more preoccupied than giving in to the fans wishes and placing an advert in the Sunday Times for a CEO of SLH plc. So posters saying it can't be difficult to recruit a CEO are correct but if you have no power or influence over the decision makers its impossible so a change of tact is required. The proposal of Crouch could be treated with the same disdain but at least it doesn't require anyone to walk away from their positions.

[um pahars]

as someone with a vested interest along with Wilde they feel best placed to dig us out of this hole.

 

They also thought Poortvliet and Total Football were the way to dig us out of the hole (problem was it looked like we were digging our way through to New Zealand:D).

[Tamesaint]

Holbury, he is not who you think. How do I know? Because the only connection he has to Saints is his season ticket and as a supporter.

 

He is clearly a comedian of some sort.

 

Start with his comment about the miners and read on in this thread.

 

"one of lowe's greatest achievements"

 

"reverse psychology"

 

"riot shields for protection"

 

"no alternative"

 

You couldn't make this guy up if you tried!!

[um pahars]

He is clearly a comedian of some sort.

 

Start with his comment about the miners and read on in this thread.

 

"one of lowe's greatest achievements"

 

"reverse psychology"

 

"riot shields for protection"

 

"no alternative"

 

You couldn't make this guy up if you tried!!

 

Liptak to rival Killer:D

[benjii]

Benji I don't disagree with the statement in bold above and have discussed it at length on other threads. However, it is ironic that the solution being put forward requires the assistance of the person the fans are being so vitrioloc about and surely you can see that is not the brightest approach.

 

I'm not sure, to be honest. I don't really think fan pressure or support will affect Lowe's decision making at a strategic level like that unless it is far more direct than a march. Funnily enough, I think the marches have galvanised support inside the stadium.

 

You say Lowe's ego or vendetta won't let him leave but it may simply be the case that as someone with a vested interest along with Wilde they feel best placed to dig us out of this hole. I'm sure that is also true - it is not just ego. However, they, even at their most blinkered must see that things could have been done a lot better this season and that greater revenue could have been generated if someone less alienating, or aloof was delivering the message (or a different message). It is funny, because it really does feel like we're at tipping point right now. Continue the current momentum and we could pull clear of the scrap in the next five games, conversely a dip in form and bad results elsewhere and we could look like relegation certs in two games' time again. Arguably if we stay up and the financials are significantly improved come season end and into next year Lowe and Wilde will, ceteris paribus, have done a good job, but I won't be confident in their ability not to play silly-buggers with the club again. (Although would anyone be surprised if Wilde decided to dispense with Lowe at that point? )

 

I would have supported a week ago in the interests of unity and an increase in attendance for Crouch to be invited to join the board and the protesters should make that their position with the personal backing of Crouch rather than simple name dropping. At least its more readily achievable and would add a more alledgedly 'fan friendly' focus to the board. A protest with a solution all in one would attract more positive interest.

 

Agreed.

 

However, the attitude of some fairly churlish and prejudice corners of our fan base I feel I am once again entrenched back in simply supporting Lowe if the protesters still feel the need to march as the club have improved, continue to ignore the risk of administration and still march for Lowe to be removed with no one with the power to achieve their aim or sufficient numbers in supporters to make a difference.

 

As far as I am concerned the signs are there that the club is still on the brink financially

 

well, if it is, I think serious questions will need answering at board level - the current board, that is.

 

and Lowe is probably a touch more preoccupied than giving in to the fans wishes and placing an advert in the Sunday Times for a CEO of SLH plc

 

as a full-time CEO and chairman of a financial institution I would imagine that is indeed the case. At least the board are consistent in their stremlining - it runs right to the top table!

 

So posters saying it can't be difficult to recruit a CEO are correct but if you have no power or influence over the decision makers its impossible so a change of tact is required. The proposal of Crouch could be treated with the same disdain but at least it doesn't require anyone to walk away from their positions.

 

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Edited 5 March, 2009 by benjii

[Micky]

I think your idea of the 'minority' is dillusional ol friend. You have to be stark raving mad or related to Lowe not to see that we all want him out for good. You have to be even madder to want him to stay at the club. Which one are you?

 

Sorry - but just who is stark raving mad? And just who is 'we all'. Are you talking for every single SFC fan in the world, all of those that march before matches, perhaps those that attend matches or maybe just the season ticket holder then?

 

Such statements are pretty pathetic to be quite honest - there are many sides to the issue, and you claiming that yours is the only way does absolutely nothing to strengthen the 'Lowe out' vote.

 

By all means give your opinion - but please don't just assume that everybody shares your opinion.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Liptak to rival Killer:D

 

Um I didn't say that. I said who knows Liptak and Saejis could be the best partnership at the back since Claus and Killer and was just asking to try and a be a tad more optimistic. Saejis could be as good as Killer but who knows apart from time.

[chi saint]

I do assume that alot of people will still be protesting at the next home game? Seeing as a few wins shouldn't make our opinons on the board suddenly change, right??

 

No - why would you try to stir up discord when the team is doing well.

 

Protests, walkouts, complete waste of time and energy.

 

And before you start on about, fickle fans etc, no some of us, in fact judging by the trickle of fans who attended the march, the majority of us are more concerned with supporting the team rather than trying to oust the board or members of it.

 

If you really can't stand the set up at Saints then don't go until it suits your requirements - simple

[Micky]

There you go, you've said it yourself........LUCK

 

You are quite clearly close to Lowe and I have a pretty good idea who you are, but you are making a fool of yourself doing his PR campaign all the time for him. You clearly don't really give a sh*t about Saints you just want to keep wiping Lowes a*s for him like your Askhams, Richards, etc. Christ knows what hold he has over you but you should really just own up and admit that Lowe and Wilde have made too many mistakes and in the whole have not been good for the club. If Lowe wasn't so pig headed and admitted his mistake in appointing Poortvliet earlier then we would more than likely not been in this mess in the first place. Be a man and say it how it REALLY is and not as Lowes bum buddy

 

Sorry Holbury but I just couldn't help laughing at this. Do you really believe that Rupert Lowe has somebody sat with a couple of hundred people on an internet forum trying to 'turn' them...?

 

Even somebody who he had a hold over? What - is he bribing NC? You sound desperate for NC to 'own up - repent - see the light, vote Lowe out'.

 

Listen mate, I really doubt that NC has any connection to Lowe, but he does hold a different veiw to yours - I would get used to it if I were you.

 

Labelling people such as Bum buddies is probably not going to do your cause too much good either - we'er just getting over the Luvvie syndrome - so a new annecdote is probably not called for right now. NC may not be in the majority - but his views are hardly neo nazi - and they are more than relevant.

[Gemmel]

Sorry Holbury but I just couldn't help laughing at this. Do you really believe that Rupert Lowe has somebody sat with a couple of hundred people on an internet forum trying to 'turn' them..

 

200.....nah.... but he did use SFC money to get people to post (In an attempt) to turn them on what is effectively the same forum

[Nineteen Canteen]

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Benji I think its a misconception to say that the current board should be solely responsible for answering questions if we fall into administration. A lot of their problems have been with them from day 1 and hence decisions have been made that probably wouldn't have been in better times. What was the infamous stat under the Hone and Crouch watch? Wages 80% of turnover? It's surprising we were still in trading at the start of the season.

 

BTW I think its important to say that I am not a Lowe Luvvie but I am a pragmatist who looks for practical readily achievable solutions that can be implemented incrementally if necessary to achieve long term goals. I don't like 'pie in the sky' pipe dreams. At the moment because of external pressures the only way forward IMO is the status quo or invite Crouch onto board on the football side and Wilde can take his fans parliament idea forward. Both these ways are just incremental steps but first the priority is maintain CCC status and remain solvent. I'm prepared to be influenced but i can't see any practical and quick solution that can achieve those two absolute prerequisite objectives for the end of the season.

[Micky]

200.....nah.... but he did use SFC money to get people to post (In an attempt) to turn them on what is effectively the same forum

 

Ahhhh right so now he's back to try again is he...??? No doubt if NC keeps posting at least one of us will have turned from anti - to pro Lowe by .... errrr, well by, well maybe in a years time. Great use of resources Mr Lowe - one man sat trying to overturn the majority political stance on an internet forum. Any other real PR firsts you'd like to put by us?

[saint lard]

Lowe and wilde must still go.

Lowe has landed on his feet with the 3 recent results that have been secured,they have bailed him out for the time being.

Lowe will be the first to take the plaudits if,and its a big if ,we retain our Championship status.

His rediculous appointment of JP and the subsequent spin about the "youth/reserves only" policy has been shattered and discarded like it should of been,consigned to the land of fantasy where it belongs.

He and Wilde are not fit to oversea the running of this club.

And next season? another hairbrained,ill concieved and thought out revolutionary scheme will be wheeled out.

Lowe cannot help himself,he cant follow conventional practices,he needs the spotlight and craves it,at whatever cost.

Only when those that have overseen the demise of this club over the last few years dissapear without a trace can we have some true optimism.

That dosen't mean i want Crouch back either.

Just someone that has the club at heart and has an ounce of comprehension of how a football club should be run.

All IMO.