docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Really? Is that why on the 2nd march Connor and his ill advised chums displayed banners ridiculing the hire of Wotte and clearly wanting his head after 4 games? I assume Wotte can read and concluded that parts of the fan base were not fully behind the team. Perhaps P you were a little sensitive the comments were directed at you. There only one MARK WOTTE, one MARK WOTTE...go on practice singing I dare you or would you prefer Paul Hart? We love you Rupert, we do, We love you Rupert, we do. We Love you Rupert we DOOOOO, oh Rupert we Love you. Pity about your share price though. I love watching him loose his money day by day by day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bones Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Imagine if Crouch came back into the club and then sacked him. :roll: Oi Clarky - Don't you dare ! Even tongue in cheek - if there was one club in this world where something like that could and would happen - its gotta be Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Lets not beat around the bush. There have been hundreds of Saints fans who marched to SMS in protest about whats' going on with the club. I, personally agree with them, some don't, thats not the problem. The problem is, for or against them, nobody can doubt they are passionate about Southampton FC, and that they are part of the core of what makes any community club tick. And for someone in a position of power in that club to be so dismissive and disrespectful about people who will still be here long after they have gone maybe not unforgiveable, but you gotta do a damn site more than three wins on the bounce, however good that seems at the moment. I thinking Champions league, before I show him the respect he can't afford the fans. You could also argue that they are at the core of what makes any community club implode. Why respect people who are actually doing their best to undermine you in a fashion so mindless not to take account the environment in which we are all operating in let alone have a proposed solution. Look at clubs like Derby, Norwich, Leeds, Leicester, WBA, Charlton, etc. All clubs arguably deserving of being protested against instead of loyally supported but even when Derby went 30 odd games without a win they were still pulling crowds of 25k. Are we smaller than Derby? They had over 28k there tonight and I doubt Clough will come under attack as their winning streak has come to an end but I wondering if our supportive fans will be so forgiving over the coming weeks as we are bound to drop points eventually. I have long come to the conclusion that Saints have a loyal and unwavering bedrock of fans of c.15k who will never give up on the club but that is not going to help us to survive in the long term and we are then in a catch 22. Mid table mediocrity in the CCC without the revenues to push for promotion to persuade the fickle and fairweather fan to return and of course we have to ignore the overtly prejudiced fan who simply refuse to support Lowe. To hear a fan like yourself say you will not sing Wotte's name or accept him until we are in the Champions league either supports my theory there are indeed fickle fans and worse idiots like you who class themselves supporters who you are on a massive wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 (edited) Really? Is that why on the 2nd march Connor and his ill advised chums displayed banners ridiculing the hire of Wotte and clearly wanting his head after 4 games? I assume Wotte can read and concluded that parts of the fan base were not fully behind the team. Perhaps P you were a little sensitive the comments were directed at you. There only one MARK WOTTE, one MARK WOTTE...go on practice singing I dare you or would you prefer Paul Hart? Rupert bought shares at 65p now under his own foolishness they're worth 14p . Help me nineteen, how can I work that into a song? Edited 4 March, 2009 by docker-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You could also argue that they are at the core of what makes any community club implode. Why respect people who are actually doing their best to undermine you in a fashion so mindless not to take account the environment in which we are all operating in let alone have a proposed solution. Look at clubs like Derby, Norwich, Leeds, Leicester, WBA, Charlton, etc. All clubs arguably deserving of being protested against instead of loyally supported but even when Derby went 30 odd games without a win they were still pulling crowds of 25k. Are we smaller than Derby? They had over 28k there tonight and I doubt Clough will come under attack as their winning streak has come to an end but I wondering if our supportive fans will be so forgiving over the coming weeks as we are bound to drop points eventually. I have long come to the conclusion that Saints have a loyal and unwavering bedrock of fans of c.15k who will never give up on the club but that is not going to help us to survive in the long term and we are then in a catch 22. Mid table mediocrity in the CCC without the revenues to push for promotion to persuade the fickle and fairweather fan to return and of course we have to ignore the overtly prejudiced fan who simply refuse to support Lowe. To hear a fan like yourself say you will not sing Wotte's name or accept him until we are in the Champions league either supports my theory there are indeed fickle fans and worse idiots like you who class themselves supporters who you are on a massive wind up. Go and support Derby then you kock. You could take Rupes with you to sprinkle some of his fairy dust around. I'll be selling Derby short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 We love you Rupert, we do, We love you Rupert, we do. We Love you Rupert we DOOOOO, oh Rupert we Love you. Pity about your share price though. I love watching him loose his money day by day by day Blinkered fool, if Rupert loses his money and the share price collapse what is that indictaing to you? Someone with deep pockets wanting to buy a bouyant football club with magnificent support in the midst of the deepest recession since the 1920's. Or is it a sign that shareholders are selling and cashing in whilst they can to limit the damage to their wealth before your 'beloved' club goes to the wall. Do you think Wotte will be good enough to overcome a -10pt deduction and the prospect of further deductions next season as the administrators unravel the position of the club and if they can actually save it of course. You're a class act Docker-P and represent how ignorant some people can actually be if they decide simply to adopt a position without logic or reason, taking into account all the variable and more pertinently the unknown factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Go and support Derby then you kock. You could take Rupes with you to sprinkle some of his fairy dust around. I'll be selling Derby short Sorry Dockie I support the Saints its you who seem to be intent on looking for another club. Plenty of people far wealthier and far more shrewd and experienced than Lowe have lost far bigger pots. Perhaps you wish someone with the ethics of Fred Goodwin was our chairman. Sell short? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Ssshhhh, .........it's gone 1am,........... there is only you and me here Nineteen Canteen. Between us,.......Shsssss..... I won't say a word.... But are you really Rupert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Blinkered fool, if Rupert loses his money and the share price collapse what is that indictaing to you? Someone with deep pockets wanting to buy a bouyant football club with magnificent support in the midst of the deepest recession since the 1920's. Or is it a sign that shareholders are selling and cashing in whilst they can to limit the damage to their wealth before your 'beloved' club goes to the wall. Do you think Wotte will be good enough to overcome a -10pt deduction and the prospect of further deductions next season as the administrators unravel the position of the club and if they can actually save it of course. You're a class act Docker-P and represent how ignorant some people can actually be if they decide simply to adopt a position without logic or reason, taking into account all the variable and more pertinently the unknown factors. He's gone now and I'm a little too ****ed to work out what he was on about. Was he being rude, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 .... but even when Derby went 30 odd games without a win they were still pulling crowds of 25k. Are we smaller than Derby? They had over 28k there tonight and I doubt Clough will come under attack as their winning streak has come to an end but I wondering if our supportive fans will be so forgiving over the coming weeks as we are bound to drop points eventually. You talking ****** Niney, If you were a real Saints fan, born in the fair city of Southampton, breathing Sotonian air, and wanted to compare DCFC to us, you would talk about how DCFC didn't sell out their play-off semi final ticket allocation at SMS on a Saturday. And we sold out a greater number of tickets for the return leg on a tuesday night. But you don't care about that, or civic pride, you just want to support Rupes and his share price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 LOWE OUT wins or no wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Jeez, some people still can't enjoy the fact that we have won three in three. Tell me again, how long did it take Pearson to win 3 matches and how long have you been telling us that was a huge loss? We do have some strange fans. You really do get the feeling some of them would have been happier if we had lost the last three games. Go figure..... Speaking as someone who was a huge Nigel Pearson fan, I agree. Wotte has done a great job so far, the football we played tonight was excellent, Ipswich barely got a sniff. If he keeps it going then he can say what he likes in the press about us fans as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I am not yet won over by a possible great escape, although my opinions of Mark Wotte are starting to turn for the better. Why was this man kept in Poortvliet's shadow? What a useless decision someone made there... What I thought was a nice touch by Wotte today was subbing off Euell near the end, the standed ovation he no doubt recieved from our fans will only help boost his and the teams confidence, Wotte also did this with Saganowski v Preston and it certainly is a nice way to let a player who has done specifically well in a game get a seperate round of a applause. So 3 wins in a row. And we are still cast adrift at the bottom 3! Imagine if we hadn't turned the form!!! I have to stress that we cannot rest. The last 3 wins were a must, not a bonus. The match against Birmingham is still a game we HAVE to win to keep up with a lot of the teams above us. We cannot rest back. We have to go to Birmingham, beat them, come back at home to Derby, beat them, and then retain a decent amount of form until the end of the season to keep us up. And preferably we won't go in to a final day scrap, last year was bad enough! For the record though, after feeling how I did 2 weeks ago, I am still kind of 'consigned' to league 1. For me, we have to win our next 2 games for me to end this feeling. But we CAN do it!!! COYR!!! COME ON WOTTE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 The combination of having Saga back (a reversal of Lowes decision) and the scrapping of total football (a reversal of Lowes decision) has given us half a chance. If we can get through this season (in doubt due to Lowes incomptenence) we really need rid of the bunglng Gloucester pig farmer so yet more mistakes aren't made and we make the best of what we've got. If Wotte has had the balls to tell Lowe he's a clueless tw4t (as has been sugested) then fair play to him, but how long before ruddy cheeks starts interfering again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You could also argue that they are at the core of what makes any community club implode. Why respect people who are actually doing their best to undermine you in a fashion so mindless not to take account the environment in which we are all operating in let alone have a proposed solution. Look at clubs like Derby, Norwich, Leeds, Leicester, WBA, Charlton, etc. All clubs arguably deserving of being protested against instead of loyally supported but even when Derby went 30 odd games without a win they were still pulling crowds of 25k. Are we smaller than Derby? They had over 28k there tonight and I doubt Clough will come under attack as their winning streak has come to an end but I wondering if our supportive fans will be so forgiving over the coming weeks as we are bound to drop points eventually. I have long come to the conclusion that Saints have a loyal and unwavering bedrock of fans of c.15k who will never give up on the club but that is not going to help us to survive in the long term and we are then in a catch 22. Mid table mediocrity in the CCC without the revenues to push for promotion to persuade the fickle and fairweather fan to return and of course we have to ignore the overtly prejudiced fan who simply refuse to support Lowe. To hear a fan like yourself say you will not sing Wotte's name or accept him until we are in the Champions league either supports my theory there are indeed fickle fans and worse idiots like you who class themselves supporters who you are on a massive wind up. only flaw is that the marchers/protesters were part of your 15000 hard core not fickle fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 So just how long do you want him to keep it going for you before you will acknowledge him. Seems to me you want him to do the business - but you wont be acknowledging his achievements. Nothing like having your cake and eating it is there. BTW - Did you ever consider that due to the language barrier or perhaps cultural differences that you may have taken, whatever remarks he made, out of context and perhaps grasped the wrong end of the stick? He's a docker - of course he did n't! The translation barrier is something he is totally oblivious too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 You talking ****** Niney, If you were a real Saints fan, born in the fair city of Southampton, breathing Sotonian air, and wanted to compare DCFC to us, you would talk about how DCFC didn't sell out their play-off semi final ticket allocation at SMS on a Saturday. And we sold out a greater number of tickets for the return leg on a tuesday night. But you don't care about that, or civic pride, you just want to support Rupes and his share price. Why are people on here so stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Seeing as we are not allowed to post anything else today : Mark Wotte is the next Alex Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Why are people on here so stupid? Do you want to expand on your reasoned argument before you go off to school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Seeing as we are not allowed to post anything else today : Mark Wotte is the next Alex Ferguson :smt082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Right, I said two weeks ago that Wotte needed to deliver a string of good results..which he has. Well done Wotte....keep us up and become the next WGS. As far as Rupert goes...doesn't change a thing in my eyes - he HAS to go this summer along with Wilde. I'm all for keeping Wotte if this continues - whoever came in would be foolhardy at best to replace the manager just because they didn't appoint them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Why cheer for a bloke who didn't want the top job when Lowe offered it to him last spring? (allegedly) Yours Devil's Advocately.... Oooh I expect he wanted the job but not for the money on offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Oooh I expect he wanted the job but not for the money on offer. An interesting angle. Wouldn't the job he ended up with have paid less though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Bowood Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 Have to admit to a wave of optimism on the back of the 3 wins. So much so, that when I did the 'BBC predictor', without getting too carried away, I had us finishing comfortably clear of relegation in 17th place with 53 pts. Barnsley(45), Norwich(44) and Charlton(35) were relegated. Wolves and Reading up with Brum/Cardiff/Sheff U/Swansea in the playoffs. With our new-found spirit and confidence it could happen. Doesn't change my view of what this club need though - Lowe/Wilde Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 An interesting angle. Wouldn't the job he ended up with have paid less though? Yes but managing a virtual youth side for not much money and getting all the hassle if (you could say when) it doesn't work out as planned is not everyone's ideal career move. some people believe that if you're going to take responsibility for something then the punishment should fit the crime so to speak. Wotte was up for the Saint's job once before, now if he was offered less money this time than he might have got that time (still with me??) he might see it as a no go. He might just have been content to let Jan take all the early flack and just step up and polish the end result a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I am not yet won over by a possible great escape, although my opinions of Mark Wotte are starting to turn for the better. Why was this man kept in Poortvliet's shadow? What a useless decision someone made there... So 3 wins in a row. And we are still cast adrift at the bottom 3! Imagine if we hadn't turned the form!!! I have to stress that we cannot rest. The last 3 wins were a must, not a bonus. The match against Birmingham is still a game we HAVE to win to keep up with a lot of the teams above us. We cannot rest back. We have to go to Birmingham, beat them, come back at home to Derby, beat them, and then retain a decent amount of form until the end of the season to keep us up. And preferably we won't go in to a final day scrap, last year was bad enough! For the record though, after feeling how I did 2 weeks ago, I am still kind of 'consigned' to league 1. For me, we have to win our next 2 games for me to end this feeling. But we CAN do it!!! COYR!!! COME ON WOTTE!!! I still remain bemused by the tendency of some many fans to label so many games "must win" matches. The truth is that the likelihood is that we must win any four or five of our remaining eleven matches. The consequences of our three wins - combined with Forest and Plymouth's irritating back-to-back victories - are that: (a) More teams have been dragged back into the relegation fight. Assuming Charlton are gone, then it looks like any two from Saints, Norwich, Blackpool, Barnsley, Forest, Plymouth and Watford will be joining them in League One hell - with Derby and Palace also potentially in the mix if either goes on a truly terrible run. (b) The points-required-for-safety mark is probably higher than usual - maybe as high as last year. It looks like a "point per game" ratio won't be enough. Best guess would be that a haul of 50 or 51 points will be needed to come 4th from bottom. © Although our goal difference is still the (equal) second worst in the division, it is no longer horrific compared to our fellow strugglers. This means that we might avoid the de facto half point penalty of poor GD as we enter the final stages of the season. Last season this problem meant we had to beat Sheff Utd on the last day rather than just avoid defeat. (d) Although it will be a moving target, best guess is that we need 14 points from our last eleven games to stay up - that's a record of four wins, two draws and five defeats. (e) Bookmakers now make Saints narrow odds-on favourites to avoid the drop - with Norwich, Blackpool and Charlton the odds-on favourites. (f) We're in a rich vein of form at just the right time. Wotte's record as manager so far is a very creditabe (but not dazzling) W 3 D 2 L 2. But it must make a lot of difference that it's the most recent three games that we've won. All in all, after my despair following the Sheff Utd and Bristol City games, I think we have about a 60 - 65% chance of staying up, so the odds on offer of 11/10 represent good value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 The combination of having Saga back (a reversal of Lowes decision) and the scrapping of total football (a reversal of Lowes decision) has given us half a chance. If we can get through this season (in doubt due to Lowes incomptenence) we really need rid of the bunglng Gloucester pig farmer so yet more mistakes aren't made and we make the best of what we've got. If Wotte has had the balls to tell Lowe he's a clueless tw4t (as has been sugested) then fair play to him, but how long before ruddy cheeks starts interfering again? does that mean you are not writing him off anymore and think he may do ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 March, 2009 does that mean you are not writing him off anymore and think he may do ok? ask me next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 does that mean you are not writing him off anymore and think he may do ok? NickG if we survive Wotte will have proved me wrong, if we get relegated he will be a failure. Would you agree with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 saints need to start winning more, i went to the pub after the result last night and woke up on a halls of residence floor this morning in a primark skirt, no phone keys or wallet, but i had my drivers license with me, good times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 NickG if we survive Wotte will have proved me wrong, if we get relegated he will be a failure. Would you agree with this? If we get relegated Wotte is a failure for trying if we survive Wotte is a success and Lowe's recruitment policy inspired other than simply prove 'you' wrong. Would you agree with this? Or if Wotte succeeds its just to prove you wrong or can't you bring yourself to acknowldge the credit where its due? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 If we get relegated Wotte is a failure for trying if we survive Wotte is a success and Lowe's recruitment policy inspired other than simply prove 'you' wrong. Would you agree with this? Or if Wotte succeeds its just to prove you wrong or can't you bring yourself to acknowldge the credit where its due? I thought Wotte was recruited to run the Academy and Reserves not the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 I thought Wotte was recruited to run the Academy and Reserves not the first team? And to provide a "seamless interface" with the first team (Michael Wilde's words last spring, not mine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 4 March, 2009 Share Posted 4 March, 2009 NickG if we survive Wotte will have proved me wrong, if we get relegated he will be a failure. Would you agree with this? Not quite, relegation would be a disaster, but considering how adrift we were when he came in, he could be a lot more "successful" than NP for instance and we still get relegated. More judge him on performances, team spirit and the turn around - still early days but can't fault him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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