Was Lowe a lot closer to being right than we give him credit for?

[sidthesquid]

I'm sorry, but IMHO we had a little spike when we had back to back wins against Doncaster and Norwich, and a glimmer of hope after Reading and Derby, but the vast majority of that 28 game period was very, very poor and we would do well to remember that in order not to repeat the same sorry mistakes.

 

I am acutely awarte of the historical and financial context in which this season is being played out, but that does not excuse the sheer number of poor decisions that have been made throughout this season.

 

I reckon about a third of our games were good or we were genuinely unlucky, a third middling to not great and a third were disastrous (not all JP's fault - 2 missed pens v Watford springs to mind). I agree it was not good enough, and much as I liked him it was obvious he had to go, but like all experiments some good will come of it, but the visionary will not be the one to reap the benefit. If we survive this season we will go into next with a much stronger team

[docker-p]

 

 

Taking the LESSON from this, IF we survive to next season we now have a clear way to move forwards.

 

Keep a spine of experience and bring the youngsters in gradually, as they learn and develop they will become good players, can ANYONE see how (for example) Lancashire could have been expected to play 40+ games a season against experienced old pros.

 

 

Didn't Laurie Mac base a successful career around just that formular???

 

Maybe RL should have asked LM !!!!

[aintforever]

THe fact that we are still 3 points adrift after back to back wins shows what a complete disaster Lowe's experiment with Pootvleit was.

 

Lowe will have a lot to answer for if we go down, the last two games have proved this squad was easliy good enough to stay up given half a chance.

[sidthesquid]

Yesterday, 10 of the 11 starters were here when Lowes dark menace returned. He dictates the older, experienced players should not be used and go out on loan. We go to our lowest point for 50 years. The policy is revoked we start getting results. What part of that experiment is anything other than a complete unmitigated failure?????

 

The point is James, Gillett, McG, Lallana start next season as experienced first teamers and Gobern, Paterson etc will be much more likely to step up to the mark when needed. And, remember also, the need to ship out the old pros & play youngsters has not gone away - we are still financially stuffed

[Plumstead_Saint]

In answer to thread title - No.

See Docker-p and Aintforever posts above for a few reasons why.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Quite clearly no. Lowe has and had no idea what he was doing. The plan he put in place has failed spectacularly, and now there is a new plan in place, not entirely clear where that came from, but probably not from Lowe - its interesting that he has hardly uttered a word since JP went (which is a good thing, since when he does make utterances they are invariably full of crap). In fact very little has been said since Mr Nice But Dim finally packed his bags.

 

I think to try and turn it round now and try to make Lowe look successful out of this is scraping the barrel. Lowe's plans failed, miserably, luckily events have conspired to give us a fighting chance to recover from the utter madness. Lowe seems to have "disappeared" with his tail stuck firmly between his legs, thank MLT

 

Have you had your season ticket renewal yet? Did you read Wilde's comments in the programme about constructive meetings with the bank and backers in recent weeks?

 

I think maybe we need to give Lowe some credit for having a plan b to revert to unlike the kneejerk reaction when Pearson was appointed. In addition credit maybe due that Lowe may just be working quite hard at keeping this club from administration and not inviting fans to pay for discounted Season Tickets when they maybe the prospect of them becoming creditors at the bottom of a pile of a failed football club. Perhaps Lowe is concerned that as soon as those funds for renewals hit the bank account the bank will pull the plug on their backing and we go into administration because of a lack of cashflow. Far be it from me to suggest that Lowe has been quiet because he has been diligently trying to reverse two spectacularly failed years of gross mismanagement.

 

This is all my own assessment and conclusion and I have no inside knowledge but the clues are there and IMO Lowe has in the last 9 months acted in the best interests of the club and supporter alike and the main priority has been to survive and avoid administration. Given the enormity of that task some decisions he got wrong and many he has got right but all I believe have been done in good faith. The fact that he has turned it around and all the balls are still in the air I think we need to recognise that although the job is far from done positive progress is now being made and at the right time and the impact on the interests of club's supporters are being very closely considered.

 

Hopefully, the barrell is well and truly scraped but I'll leave the negative extremists to put a hole in it.

[um pahars]

Didn't Laurie Mac base a successful career around just that formular???

 

Maybe RL should have asked LM !!!!

 

McMenemy did indeed use this system, which is why I think it resonates with so many Saints fans (then again I'm sure we're not the only club to have used it well).

 

Which is also why I cringed when I heard that Poortvliet had said that the older players couldn't play with the youngsters because they're not on the same wavelength!!!

[aintforever]

Have you had your season ticket renewal yet? Did you read Wilde's comments in the programme about constructive meetings with the bank and backers in recent weeks?

 

I think maybe we need to give Lowe some credit for having a plan b to revert to unlike the kneejerk reaction when Pearson was appointed. In addition credit maybe due that Lowe may just be working quite hard at keeping this club from administration and not inviting fans to pay for discounted Season Tickets when they maybe the prospect of them becoming creditors at the bottom of a pile of a failed football club. Perhaps Lowe is concerned that as soon as those funds for renewals hit the bank account the bank will pull the plug on their backing and we go into administration because of a lack of cashflow. Far be it from me to suggest that Lowe has been quiet because he has been diligently trying to reverse two spectacularly failed years of gross mismanagement.

 

This is all my own assessment and conclusion and I have no inside knowledge but the clues are there and IMO Lowe has in the last 9 months acted in the best interests of the club and supporter alike and the main priority has been to survive and avoid administration. Given the enormity of that task some decisions he got wrong and many he has got right but all I believe have been done in good faith. The fact that he has turned it around and all the balls are still in the air I think we need to recognise that although the job is far from done positive progress is now being made and at the right time and the impact on the interests of club's supporters are being very closely considered.

 

Hopefully, the barrell is well and truly scraped but I'll leave the negative extremists to put a hole in it.

 

plant

[um pahars]

The point is James, Gillett, McG, Lallana start next season as experienced first teamers and Gobern, Paterson etc will be much more likely to step up to the mark when needed. And, remember also, the need to ship out the old pros & play youngsters has not gone away - we are still financially stuffed

 

I can see what you're saying with regards at least out of this mess we will have a few youngsters who have expereinced the rough and tumble of the CCC and will be stronger for it, but I would also say that I think many of them should hve been blooded in a much more balanced side anyway.

 

I had no problem with the 4 you've named (even 2 of them aren't my favourites) being played this season and I think they should have played anyway.

 

There is a worry that some others have been dropped in the deep end too early, which could actually be detrimental to their development.

 

If a few players come out the other side of this daft experiment, then I will take that, but being honest that's pretty small compensation for putting the whole livelihood of the Club on the line.

[Dicko]

If you look at the managerial CV's of Wotte and Poortvliet, JW's makes more impressive reading

 

What surprises me therefore, was JP's appointment with Wotte behind the scenes. If Wotte didn't want frontline management anymore, why did he step in the moment JP was sacked?

[rallyboy]

No way can Rupert take any praise for the change in fortune.

 

Under pressure from fans, or as a result of his own analysis, Wotte has performed a complete U turn and has made us competitive again.

Fair play to him for either taking criticism on board, or for being shrewd and brave.

 

By changing things he has earned respect, though he will have a very delicate political time behind the scenes explaining to Rupert how he has ditched his mad dream.

 

So was Rupert right all along? - don't make me laugh, he was at the helm of a train wreck.

Twice.

And we aren't safe by a long way but Wotte and the players have given us hope by taking action.

 

 

And let's not forget, without the massive U turn we would now be below Charlton and just about down.

[L1Minus10]

Lowe is an idiot and his experiment was a complete 100% failure, as it was always going to be. 120 years of football wisdom told everyone it would be a failure but Rupert knows best. It the board had any balls they'd get rid of him themselves for leading the 'company' to the brink of complete disaster. His choice of manager for the experiment was a disaster like it was always going to be. A man who is 52 and in a 20 odd year managerial career has never managed at a higher level than Blue Square Conference.

 

Wotte has done well so far but I'd love to know if the turnaround is down to Lowe butting out and therefore admiting he's wrong and how much is down to Wotte telling him to keep his nose out of it.

[Nineteen Canteen]

With Jan Poortvliet he was a million miles from getting it right. The fact that Wotte is getting things right actually makes it worse.

 

Wotte is, so far, miles better and Lowe definitely knows of Wottes abilities from his dealing with him in the past. There seems to be a movement on here that Lowe is the innocent party in all of this and was mislead by others to appoint Poortvielt.

 

Now he's either a man who knows talent when he sees it and is so weak willed and feeble that he's allowed to be talked out of appointing him or he not as smart as people thought and couldn't see who was the best man for the job. Either way it doesn't look good does it?

 

Or Wotte, simply didn't want the first team job as he has stated many times and prefers to work in the background. Perhaps Lowe deserves credit for bringing him in the first place and knowing he had a ready made fall back plan. Then credit for persuading Wotte to step into the limelight and take the manager's job in a no lose situation as a result the JP gamble not coming off. Clever or lucky? It could be the smartest thing he has ever done if he managed to get him at this club to do the job that Wotte didn't know he wanted!

 

Having Wotte on board was simply shrewd succession planning IMO but that does not make good copy and sell local rags to the moaners.

[rallyboy]

If Wotte was plan B it would have happened six months ago, he wasn't, he was a cheap alternative and luckily for us,

thus far it has helped.

[St Landrew]

Replying to the title: NO.

[Nineteen Canteen]

 

For the record, I'm in the "clean sweep" camp (aka "Lowe, Wilde and Crouch must all go" camp), but I'm simply wondering how close Lowe came to doing things right.QUOTE]

 

Past tense Trousers? Surely its still work in progress and if Lowe pulls this off both on and off the field then who will be able to challenge his ability to run this club other than an investor(s) with lots of lovely money?

 

There is still work to do but if we finish this season solvent and CCC status in tact any remaining anti-Loweites will be exposed for their simple extremist and prejudicial views. Bottom line it doesn't matter who is in the boardroom as long as the club are competing on the field and the objectives of the season to survive and provide some foundations for the future on which to build are looking increasingly achievable but no doubt not wthout some setbacks still to overcome. Given the way anti-Lowe extremists have reacted to 2 great victories against top 6 opposition I dread to think how they will react the next time we lose a game or drop points especially as our next 3 games are not exactly easy before this team can truly make hay.

[Legod Third Coming]

 

For the record, I'm in the "clean sweep" camp (aka "Lowe, Wilde and Crouch must all go" camp), but I'm simply wondering how close Lowe came to doing things right.QUOTE]

 

Past tense Trousers? Surely its still work in progress and if Lowe pulls this off both on and off the field then who will be able to challenge his ability to run this club other than an investor(s) with lots of lovely money?

 

There is still work to do but if we finish this season solvent and CCC status in tact any remaining anti-Loweites will be exposed for their simple extremist and prejudicial views. Bottom line it doesn't matter who is in the boardroom as long as the club are competing on the field and the objectives of the season to survive and provide some foundations for the future on which to build are looking increasingly achievable but no doubt not wthout some setbacks still to overcome. Given the way anti-Lowe extremists have reacted to 2 great victories against top 6 opposition I dread to think how they will react the next time we lose a game or drop points especially as our next 3 games are not exactly easy before this team can truly make hay.

 

If you sit a monkey in a room with a typewriter eventually it will string two letters together and make a word...

 

Lowe's vision has been shown (again) to be flawed.

 

He has, again, been shown to have scant understanding of what is required to compete on the field.

 

There is still every chance we will go down.

 

Lowe has seen the value of the business halved and income fall. How exactly is that a qualification to run any business???

[SW11_Saint]

more than a million miles away imo.

the last 3 weeks have seem such a reversal in the previous policy that to claim it is a continiation of the previous one is mad.

Exactly. IF, and it's a big IF, we do stay up - then fair play to Wotte, but it will only be redressing the ridiculous first 2/3's of the season, and Lowe's flawed plan.

 

I just wonder what would have happened if Lowe had put some faith in Nigel Pearson and let him carry on his work this season, playing the more experienced guys, and blending in the younger ones (as Wotte is now doing)...?

[Nineteen Canteen]

plant

 

Unbalanced extremist

[St Landrew]

Rupert Lowe doesn't unite the club, and therefore doesn't lead either. He may be a dab hand at the books, but making a profit in League 2 is not what being a football club is all about; perhaps it should be.

 

So I suggest, if the club manage to stay in the CCC [and it still looks unlikely at this point] and remains solvent, at the end of the season, then Rupert should, for the good of the club, quietly withdraw his presence and slowly sell his stake where he can, and at as much profit as he can get [precious little no doubt]. But how ever he plays it, he should go. And take Askham with him.

[Legod Third Coming]

Exactly. IF, and it's a big IF, we do stay up - then fair play to Wotte, but it will only be redressing the ridiculous first 2/3's of the season, and Lowe's flawed plan.

 

I just wonder what would have happened if Lowe had put some faith in Nigel Pearson and let him carry on his work this season, playing the more experienced guys, and blending in the younger ones (as Wotte is now doing)...?

 

Tut tut, come come. Ask Lowe to accept that a manager is needed and not some bizarre, revolutionary coaching structure...

[sidthesquid]

I can see what you're saying with regards at least out of this mess we will have a few youngsters who have expereinced the rough and tumble of the CCC and will be stronger for it, but I would also say that I think many of them should hve been blooded in a much more balanced side anyway.

 

I had no problem with the 4 you've named (even 2 of them aren't my favourites) being played this season and I think they should have played anyway.

 

There is a worry that some others have been dropped in the deep end too early, which could actually be detrimental to their development.

 

If a few players come out the other side of this daft experiment, then I will take that, but being honest that's pretty small compensation for putting the whole livelihood of the Club on the line.

 

The point is, the daft experiment, as you call it, was forced on the club by the absolute necessity to shift out the high earners. I don't think even Lowe would have domne it without that need

[aintforever]

Unbalanced extremist

 

Not at all. Out of the saints fans I know (and that's quite alot) I was always the one who used to stick up for Lowe. That was until the Steve Wigley episode, the person who made that mistake should never be let near any football club.

 

Even if Wotte does prove to be a good manager it will only be a matter of time before Lowe screws up again IMO.

[Legod Third Coming]

The point is, the daft experiment, as you call it, was forced on the club by the absolute necessity to shift out the high earners. I don't think even Lowe would have domne it without that need

 

Not true.

 

If you do the maths and run the numbers, you know in football that higher earners are more likely to be better players, ergo you are more likely to win.

 

Who ran the numbers on ticket and commercial sales??

 

Shipping out Saga saved what?

 

Losing every game at home cost what?

 

Working with those had offered finance to maintain the squad strength would have cost what? Face?

 

Working for nothing to fund a player, ever considered by our board?

 

These are all decisions that people who run businesses make every day.

 

Rupert has long wanted to play more youth players - financial imperative or no.

[trousers]

Did you read Wilde's comments in the programme about constructive meetings with the bank and backers in recent weeks? .

 

Yep....he said, and I quote:

 

"We have had a number of constructive meetings with the bank and our backers over recent weeks and we remain grateful to them for all their support to date"

 

Two questions sprang to mind when I read this...

 

(a) why add "to date" on the end of that statement if these "constructive meetings" had resulted in SFC being financially secure for the foreseeable future? With my read-between-the-lines eyes that could be 'code' for: "we may not have their support from tomorrow onwards"

 

(b) who are the "our backers" that Wilde refers to?

[St Landrew]

The point is, the daft experiment, as you call it, was forced on the club by the absolute necessity to shift out the high earners. I don't think even Lowe would have domne it without that need

 

There's a bit in what you say. But my mind goes back to Premiership days where 'Arry tells us he had calls from Rupert to play the youngsters, when Redknapp knew full well they were not the answer. 'Arry may be a twisted, twitching, bungable manager, who failed this club enormously, but he still knows how to pick a team over a bloke who would pick his by the financial constraints they place on the club.

 

The daft experiment may be worth trying once in a generation of players. But they have to be of sufficient standard, and only a football professional can see the potential of that. Not some bloke who happens to be something in the City

[aintforever]

Not true.

 

If you do the maths and run the numbers, you know in football that higher earners are more likely to be better players, ergo you are more likely to win.

 

Who ran the numbers on ticket and commercial sales??

 

Shipping out Saga saved what?

 

Losing every game at home cost what?

 

Working with those had offered finance to maintain the squad strength would have cost what? Face?

 

Working for nothing to fund a player, ever considered by our board?

 

These are all decisions that people who run businesses make every day.

 

Rupert has long wanted to play more youth players - financial imperative or no.

 

You missed out the freezing out of Euell and Skacel - something that didn't even save a penny.

 

We were playing our best and highest scoring midfielder (Drew) or a 12 year old Fish Mills at left back while Rudi was sat in the stands still picking up his substantial pay packet for doing naff all.

[Legod Third Coming]

You missed out the freezing out of Euell and Skacel - something that didn't even save a penny.

 

We were playing our best and highest scoring midfielder (Drew) or a 12 year old Fish Mills at left back while Rudi was sat in the stands still picking up his substantial pay packet for doing naff all.

 

Aye, I'm sure that was designed to make them move on. The idea that John and Skacel and Euell could not play in our new system (as claimed) was a nonsense.

 

But it comes back to the same problem, Rupert does not like paying footballers.

[sidthesquid]

The other point I was trying to make that yes, the experiment may have failed, but it was not (I hope) a complete disaster because good will come of it.

Also, as an aside, a lot of us bought into the idea after last season's dismal displays (and I still think that last season saw some of the worst, most uninterested players ever to turn out for us playing in some of the most boring games I have ever watched) and wanted it to succeed not for Lowe's sake, but our own. And going forward I still believe that reliance on good young players coming through our academy is the right solution for us, but as I said before, you do need a balance & we lost that earlier on in the season.

So, yes the experiment failed, but I still think only just. And I would still rather have had this season's experiment of giving the young lads a go rather than last season's experiment of overpaid and underperforming 'experience' which netted an almost identical result

Result of experiment - a healthy balance of young and old is required. Please note, whoever is in charge next season

[sidthesquid]

Not true.

 

If you do the maths and run the numbers, you know in football that higher earners are more likely to be better players, ergo you are more likely to win.

 

Who ran the numbers on ticket and commercial sales??

 

Shipping out Saga saved what?

 

Losing every game at home cost what?

 

Working with those had offered finance to maintain the squad strength would have cost what? Face?

 

Working for nothing to fund a player, ever considered by our board?

 

These are all decisions that people who run businesses make every day.

 

Rupert has long wanted to play more youth players - financial imperative or no.

 

Remember last season? Expensive & experienced players = relegation dog-fight

[Legod Third Coming]

The other point I was trying to make that yes, the experiment may have failed, but it was not (I hope) a complete disaster because good will come of it.

Also, as an aside, a lot of us bought into the idea after last season's dismal displays (and I still think that last season saw some of the worst, most uninterested players ever to turn out for us playing in some of the most boring games I have ever watched) and wanted it to succeed not for Lowe's sake, but our own. And going forward I still believe that reliance on good young players coming through our academy is the right solution for us, but as I said before, you do need a balance & we lost that earlier on in the season.

So, yes the experiment failed, but I still think only just. And I would still rather have had this season's experiment of giving the young lads a go rather than last season's experiment of overpaid and underperforming 'experience' which netted an almost identical result

Result of experiment - a healthy balance of young and old is required. Please note, whoever is in charge next season

 

Lol. Set fire to my arm this morning. Found that water put it out. Result of my experiment: my arm hurts like hell.

 

Note to self and others, setting fire to arm not a good idea...

[trousers]

The average age of our starting line up on the first day of the season against Cardiff was: 25.1

 

The average age against Cardiff yesterday was: 27.6

 

Make of that what you will.

[um pahars]

The point is, the daft experiment, as you call it, was forced on the club by the absolute necessity to shift out the high earners. I don't think even Lowe would have domne it without that need

 

It was not forced upon us whatsoever.

 

The financial constraints certainly dictated what we could and what we couldn't do, but that is not the same as booting out a decent manager and bringing in an a sham of one.

 

Even given our tight financial position, there was still no need to go for this Revolutionary Coaching Set Up playing Total Football, overseen by a manager who was so clearly out of his depth.

[70's Mike]

Is it not mad to suggest that it is not a continuation of the same policy as Wotte was brought in at the same time as JP and has been working with the players in the reserves and the academy so was acutely aware of the club's resources when he was asked to do the first team job.

 

Whose to say that bringing Wotte with JP was not an insurance policy if the gamble didn't pay off. People keep saying don't judge Wotte off the back of 2 wins and that is correct, judge him off the back of 6 games in charge where the team has shown far greater battling qualities and not allowing the opposition any time on the ball in addition to our own more direct style of play.

 

Broadly the policy is the same, maximum return for minimum cost the only difference is the changes in coaching style and the positive impact it has had on the the youth, James, McGoldrick, Gillet especially plus we can presumably pay Saga his wages having farmed him out of the first half of the season and the stewards alledgedly continue to be paid on what essentially amounts to a weekly contract.

 

Well done by Trousers for trying to invite some balance but as a result I'm afraid a pointless thread as we are still in the bottom 3 and 4 points from safety and many will remind us of that fact because negativity is what gets us through our day.

 

clutching at straws springs to mind

without the change in policy we would have been a further 6 points worst off

[Legod Third Coming]

Remember last season? Expensive & experienced players = relegation dog-fight

 

Not just about players is it. It's about having the players, playing them in the correct positions, motivating them and MANAGING them.

 

One thing you will have noticed about last season.

 

Who scored the goals that kept us up??

[Legod Third Coming]

The average age of our starting line up on the first day of the season against Cardiff was: 25.1

 

The average age against Cardiff yesterday was: 27.6

 

Make of that what you will.

 

 

The players are six months older?

[70's Mike]

The average age of our starting line up on the first day of the season against Cardiff was: 25.1

 

The average age against Cardiff yesterday was: 27.6

 

Make of that what you will.

 

it was what when on between those 2 games which nearly crippled us, the experiment of Gobern, Robertson, Peckaert, Smith and uncle tom cobley

[Legod Third Coming]

it was what when on between those 2 games which nearly crippled us' date=' the experiment of Gobern, Robertson, Peckaert, Smith and [u']uncle tom cobley[/u]

 

No chance, he was far too old...

[trousers]

The players are six months older?

 

Aye. There is that!

 

Actually, a more telling stat is that there were 3 over 30 on day 1, but 6 over 30 yesterday

[St Landrew]

...Out of the saints fans I know (and that's quite alot) I was always the one who used to stick up for Lowe. That was until the Steve Wigley episode, the person who made that mistake should never be let near any football club.

 

Even if Wotte does prove to be a good manager it will only be a matter of time before Lowe screws up again IMO.

 

Exactly. And I was also one of Lowe's supporters, even though I knew he disunited the club. I thought it was good medicine, and the club were progressing, even after WGS left. Lowe's haters were unforgiving IMO. Then Sturrock was appointed, and in my opinion, it was lacking in ambition. But Sturrock was a pretty good manager, who got Saints playing effectively again, after a dip in form. He left under a cloud of mystery, and then Lowe appointed Wigley. Lowe said he liked to give youth a chance. Fine..! But you give managerial youth a chance in League 1 or 2, not in the Premiership. And he stuck with Wigley, and the club sunk lower and lower, making it harder for any replacement manager to rescue the situation. And it was that daft experiment that got Saints relegated, not Harry Redknapp, although he didn't exactly light too many fires. And Lowe tries these things all the time. Looking back, one of his lesser brain fever episodes was appointing Sir Clive Woodward. Now that was radical, expensive, and probably did a tiny amount of good. But paying a good manager some proper money, and backing him properly with funds and a good squad, would have done a whole lot better. But that's not good enough for Rupert. There are so many more imaginative ways to waste money.

[Legod Third Coming]

Aye. There is that!

 

Actually, a more telling stat is that there were 3 over 30 on day 1, but 6 over 30 yesterday

 

I'm not one for older journeymen and I genuinely wanted the idea of the kids to work, but it's the quality of the older players that has made the real difference.

 

My take on the old brigade:

 

Kelvin - getting better with age, like many keepers

Perry - an oustanding professional who only occasionally shows his age but looks fit and reads the game so well

Saga - works hard and looks like scoring every game

Euell - has worked so hard to win the crowd over (me included) and goes around the team like an old-hand, cajoling and motivating like a captain

Saejis - quality player

Skacel - mmm, when he puts it in he really puts it in, but typical eastern European playboy some of the time!

[Nineteen Canteen]

Yep....he said, and I quote:

 

"We have had a number of constructive meetings with the bank and our backers over recent weeks and we remain grateful to them for all their support to date"

 

Two questions sprang to mind when I read this...

 

(a) why add "to date" on the end of that statement if these "constructive meetings" had resulted in SFC being financially secure for the foreseeable future? With my read-between-the-lines eyes that could be 'code' for: "we may not have their support from tomorrow onwards"

 

(b) who are the "our backers" that Wilde refers to?

 

I think for backers read 'creditors' and 'to date' + no season ticket renewals + stewards not sure if they are being paid one week to the next alledgedly = the same conclusion as you.

 

If revenues are not increased 9 wins from our last 12 might not save us.

[70's Mike]

I think for backers read 'creditors' and 'to date' + no season ticket renewals + stewards not sure if they are being paid one week to the next alledgedly = the same conclusion as you.

 

If revenues are not increased 9 wins from our last 12 might not save us.

 

if we win 9 out of 12 , then revenues will go up.

what is your source for stewards not being paid

[Toomer]

if we win 9 out of 12 , then revenues will go up.

what is your source for stewards not being paid

 

Mike I have already said March could be an interesting month.

[70's Mike]

Mike I have already said March could be an interesting month.

 

 

Sorry must have missed it, what is this i read that you were upsetting Cardiff fans on the way to the ground yesterday ?

spitting is the lowest of the low

[Toomer]

Sorry must have missed it, what is this i read that you were upsetting Cardiff fans on the way to the ground yesterday ?

spitting is the lowest of the low

 

Not me Mike a 6 year old apprentice sheep ****er spat at me and his dad thought it was funny who knows what might have happened had I been with other lads I walk to the ground with and not on my own.

[hypochondriac]

I'm not one for older journeymen and I genuinely wanted the idea of the kids to work, but it's the quality of the older players that has made the real difference.

 

My take on the old brigade:

 

Kelvin - getting better with age, like many keepers

Perry - an oustanding professional who only occasionally shows his age but looks fit and reads the game so well

Saga - works hard and looks like scoring every game

Euell - has worked so hard to win the crowd over (me included) and goes around the team like an old-hand, cajoling and motivating like a captain

Saejis - quality player

Skacel - mmm, when he puts it in he really puts it in, but typical eastern European playboy some of the time!

 

When?

[Nineteen Canteen]

Not at all. Out of the saints fans I know (and that's quite alot) I was always the one who used to stick up for Lowe. That was until the Steve Wigley episode, the person who made that mistake should never be let near any football club.

 

Even if Wotte does prove to be a good manager it will only be a matter of time before Lowe screws up again IMO.

 

Well one of the Saints fans I know (and highly respected one on this forum if we are point scoring) is aware that I am not a plant and simply choose to support Lowe in the absence of any investment or Crouch or Wilde independently.

 

Bottom line I support Saints through thick and thin and the club is my religion and not the chairman. With regard to the chairman I am just a fickle fan and support what I consider to be the best available until such time as someone comes along with better credentials. Simple as that really and plant if you prefer, in the fact I have very deep roots and they are entwined around the club.

 

I can recognise Lowe has made some bad decisions but I don't bother living in the past as long as I can see and believe in the future and understand the reasoning behind the decisions with the limited knowledge of the facts at my disposal. I've always believed that to experience success you must at first experience failure and that helps you to role with the punches. Slagging Lowe off is just a waste of energy and given the situation its about time a few posters started looking at the circumstances and see the glass as half full instead of half empty afterall the mind games are working for Wotte and the team.

[70's Mike]

Not me Mike a 6 year old apprentice sheep ****er spat at me and his dad thought it was funny who knows what might have happened had I been with other lads I walk to the ground with and not on my own.

 

 

MY ATTEMPT at humour , failed again

[Nineteen Canteen]

The average age of our starting line up on the first day of the season against Cardiff was: 25.1

 

The average age against Cardiff yesterday was: 27.6

 

Make of that what you will.

 

Euellsuebio is a lot older than I thought