Cardiff fan dead/on life support machine...

[The Majestic Channon]

This was posted on the echo site. IF it's the same bloke then he asked for a kicking anyway. obviously hope he does'nt croak it but if this was the same bloke he's only got himself to blame. stjamie, southampton says...

6:58pm Sun 1 Mar 09

On walking to the game yesterday i suffered the misfortune of following this cretin to the ground, witnessing his intimidation and bullying of others upon the way.On numerous occasions he approached Saints fans (including myself and my friend)asking if we wanted trouble. He was a right pain in the**** to be honest. He was reported to a steward at the first opportunity by a number of fans. Of course I do not condone what happened but why did he put himself in that position? As for saying he has just returned from afghanistan so can drink what he likes,one of my friends is serving with the marines there now and if he is lucky enough to come back alive we will be celebrating but i can guarantee it will not end in a fight!

On walking to the game yesterday i suffered the misfortune of following this cretin to the ground, witnessing his intimidation and bullying of others upon the way.On numerous occasions he approached Saints fans (including myself and my friend)asking if we wanted trouble. He was a right pain in the**** to be honest. He was reported to a steward at the first opportunity by a number of fans. Of course I do not condone what happened but why did he put himself in that position? As for saying he has just returned from afghanistan so can drink what he likes,one of my friends is serving with the marines there now and if he is lucky enough to come back alive we will be celebrating but i can guarantee it will not end in a fight!

[rockhill]

now on the bbc web site

 

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7917688.stm

[dubai_phil]

Perhaps the wisest course of action for those who've posted on here who were around the area

 

Anyone with information can contact Shirley CID in Southampton on 0845 045 45 45 or the Crimestoppers charity 0800 555 111, quoting Operation Supervisor.

[StuRomseySaint]

Have you seen what one of them has put on that CCFC forum? "Who wants to go on a revenge mission?". LOL, grow up son.

 

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=133497&start=0&rid=0&S=5a7eb281fef72bd1a14e9fe9d1ecfd8d

 

I don't know why some of their fans are getting so narky.

 

It is unfortunate that the lad is in a coma and I hope he pulls through, but there are several SEPERATE accounts of him ( or someone else wearing a pink shirt,doubt there is many ) acting like a complete c*ck in and around the ground, wanting to fight anyone and everything.

 

Let's remember one thing, he was punched, not stabbed, not shot, not kicked in the head, he was 'tripped up'.

 

The kick to his legs didn't cause the coma, smashing his head on the floor as he well did. It was not a ghastly and callous attack. It is pretty clear to see that he was gobbing off and being aggresive towards everyone, and pushed someone too far.

 

It happens every day in pubs all over the land, fortunately accidents like his are rare.

Edited 1 March, 2009 by StuRomseySaint

[Guided Missile]

I don't know why some of their fans are getting so narky.

 

It is unfortunate that the lad is in a coma and I hope he pulls through, but there are several SEPERATE accounts of him ( or someone else wearing a pink shirt,doubt there is many ) acting like a complete c*ck in and around the ground, wanting to fight anyone and everything.

 

Let's remember one thing, he was punched, not stabbed, not shot, not kicked in the head, he was 'tripped up'.

 

The kick to his legs didn't cause the coma, smashing his head on the floor as he well did. It was not a ghastly and callous attack. It is pretty clear to see that he was gobbing off and being aggresive towards everyone, and pushed someone too far.

 

It happens every day in pubs all over the land, fortunately accidents like his are rare.

What was more common, was the Cardiff fans I met in the Pitcher and Piano, having some friendly banter with them and wishing each other well.

The bloke I saw in the pink top was nothing like them and fighting drunk. The incident had nothing to do with Saints fans, as they were all in the ground when it happened.

There are plenty of pubs in Southampton I wouldn't go into, looking for a fight and I know there are plenty in Cardiff as well...

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I don't know why some of their fans are getting so narky.

 

It is unfortunate that the lad is in a coma and I hope he pulls through, but there are several SEPERATE accounts of him ( or someone else wearing a pink shirt,doubt there is many ) acting like a complete c*ck in and around the ground, wanting to fight anyone and everything.

 

Let's remember one thing, he was punched, not stabbed, not shot, not kicked in the head, he was 'tripped up'.

 

The kick to his legs didn't cause the coma, smashing his head on the floor as he well did. It was not a ghastly and callous attack. It is pretty clear to see that he was gobbing off and being aggresive towards everyone, and pushed someone too far.

 

It happens every day in pubs all over the land, fortunately accidents like his are rare.

 

What was more common, was the Cardiff fans I met in the Pitcher and Piano, having some friendly banter with them and wishing each other well.

The bloke I saw in the pink top was nothing like them and fighting drunk. The incident had nothing to do with Saints fans, as they were all in the ground when it happened.

There are plenty of pubs in Southampton I wouldn't go into, looking for a fight and I know there are plenty in Cardiff as well...

 

Those of us who have been around travelling with Saints over the years will know the drill. You don't play with fire because sometimes you get burned. Whilst what happened was, possibly, tragic I don't think that either the Cardiff lad or the fellow he fell out with (not football related) could foresee the outcome of the altercation. Sometimes, sadly, what goes around comes around.

[RedArmy]

Isn't that the same forum that didn't seem too bothered about the Saints fans that were attacked in August (With a scaffold pole?) because they were 'looking for it'

 

Don't get all uppity now it's one of your own...tossers.

[ericofarabia]

I am glad to read earlier that this case is being treated as an incident near the football ground rather than football related.

 

As with the JT Man U thing the incident happened whilst the match was actually in progress, so presumably all Saints Fans would be at the match, and the incidents involved chavs from Southampton, rather than Southampton FC chavs.

 

It sounds as if the main difference in this incident was that the guy was not repeatedly attacked whilst on the ground, but it was the actual fall that caused the blow which has unfortunately led to the guy being in a coma. I hate to sound callous but if he hadn't been (alledgedly but verified by his fellow CC fan) totally inebriated he may not have been put on his arse by the initial thump/kick or whatever. Sadly flare ups like this happen all the time in every town/city each weekend, but fortunately rarely end up with such tragic consequences.

 

Hope the guy pulls through and the culprits caught and dealt with, as even if provoked they have also attacked a seemingly innocent bystander as well.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

if its murder can't be any other

 

Unfortunately assaults causing death rarely result in murder convictions. The recent case of the completely innocent bloke in the supermarket who was punched and killed by a moron following the demands of his slapper girlfriend only got a relatively short sentence for manslaughter.

 

The doorman who puched and killed the Southampton fella in Bristol got the same.

 

Years ago if you hit someone not caring about or considering what the results mught be it was often treated as murder - now people get a way with saying they didn't intend to kill, and get the light end of a manslaughter sentence, at worst. In my book, if you attack somone with force not caring about the end result, you should get a long sentence.

[saint_stevo]

if you go looking for trouble in bandit country, expect the worse

[machen_blue]

I am a Cardiff fan and the first thing I have to say is that I walked to the ground from Ocean Village (past the Chapel pub I believe) and walked back the same way. At no time did I feel under threat and was very surprised when I got home to read what had happened. On the whole, any time that I have been to Southampton I have felt safe, and fans outside seem to mix freely.

 

After reading this thread initially, the earlier posts were very supportive and critical of the incident. However later posts seem to accept that because he had a pink jumper on then he must have been looking for trouble because somebody with a pink jumper was!!! Speculate all you like but it doesn't mean that 1) it is a fact and 2) if it was it was the same person. The one factual account that any of us have is Gaffa's (he is the one that got hit, and he is a genuine bloke). He doesn't mention that the lad was causing trouble, on the contrary. He was there so I would rather take his word than decide he was asking for it anyway.

 

Please realise, that even though we do have an unruly element (and the MB you refer to does actually criticise this element, and 99% do not rejoice in the fact), this is the vast minority. I have been going to Cardiff home and away for over 20 years and never been spoken to by a policeman (apart from asking directions) let alone got into any trouble. I am sure that all clubs have this minority but on the whole fans are genuine supporters that the opposing fans can chat and have a friendly drink with.

 

Please don't be defensive. As far as I am concerned these were not Southampton fans they were locals. If they were fans then they would surely have been at the game anyway!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I am a Cardiff fan and the first thing I have to say is that I walked to the ground from Ocean Village (past the Chapel pub I believe) and walked back the same way. At no time did I feel under threat and was very surprised when I got home to read what had happened. On the whole, any time that I have been to Southampton I have felt safe, and fans outside seem to mix freely.

 

After reading this thread initially, the earlier posts were very supportive and critical of the incident. However later posts seem to accept that because he had a pink jumper on then he must have been looking for trouble because somebody with a pink jumper was!!! Speculate all you like but it doesn't mean that 1) it is a fact and 2) if it was it was the same person. The one factual account that any of us have is Gaffa's (he is the one that got hit, and he is a genuine bloke). He doesn't mention that the lad was causing trouble, on the contrary. He was there so I would rather take his word than decide he was asking for it anyway.

 

Please realise, that even though we do have an unruly element (and the MB you refer to does actually criticise this element, and 99% do not rejoice in the fact), this is the vast minority. I have been going to Cardiff home and away for over 20 years and never been spoken to by a policeman (apart from asking directions) let alone got into any trouble. I am sure that all clubs have this minority but on the whole fans are genuine supporters that the opposing fans can chat and have a friendly drink with.

 

Please don't be defensive. As far as I am concerned these were not Southampton fans they were locals. If they were fans then they would surely have been at the game anyway!

 

Thanks for coming on here. Let's be frank though. Your mate Gaffa seems a decent guy in hanging around to care for the lad. Gaffa has admitted that the lad upset someone or a family. Saints boys have come forward telling of a 'guy in a pink jumper' acting the billy big balls and threatening fans. There's no proof that this was or is the same fan but maybe the pink jumper could, I say could, be the give away? Gaffa is going to, as we all may well do, play down the guy's behaviour. Somewhere between Gaffa and the other stories is the truth. neither are really that far from it.

 

You say you have been following Cardiff around for 20 years. I'm sure you are not naive, and that you realise that Cardiff might well be the 'big shots' at what may be deemed 'lesser towns and cities' but sometimes you come unstuck, as in this case. It does not lessen what has happened to this lad and if he had not struck his head he may well have walked away thinking himself lucky that he got just a slap.

 

There's always someone out there who is bigger, harder, tougher and downright nastier than you. This lad chose the wrong place to act however he acted. Some of your lads are saying that he was fresh out of Afghanistan, he has a pregnant girlfriend etc. I know where I would have been in his position.

 

Dock Cities have nasty little places if you wander into them unawares, I'm sure that Cardiff has them. The Chapel isn't exactly a hotbed of violence either!

 

A truly sad set of circumstances for this particular fella and, as far as the Police are concerned, not even football related. It could have even happened in his own town. Don't try to deny that one!

 

Let's hope he recovers.

[Son of Bob]

Thanks for coming on here. Let's be frank though. Your mate Gaffa seems a decent guy in hanging around to care for the lad. Gaffa has admitted that the lad upset someone or a family. Saints boys have come forward telling of a 'guy in a pink jumper' acting the billy big balls and threatening fans. There's no proof that this was or is the same fan but maybe the pink jumper could, I say could, be the give away? Gaffa is going to, as we all may well do, play down the guy's behaviour. Somewhere between Gaffa and the other stories is the truth. neither are really that far from it.

 

You say you have been following Cardiff around for 20 years. I'm sure you are not naive, and that you realise that Cardiff might well be the 'big shots' at what may be deemed 'lesser towns and cities' but sometimes you come unstuck, as in this case. It does not lessen what has happened to this lad and if he had not struck his head he may well have walked away thinking himself lucky that he got just a slap.

 

There's always someone out there who is bigger, harder, tougher and downright nastier than you. This lad chose the wrong place to act however he acted. Some of your lads are saying that he was fresh out of Afghanistan, he has a pregnant girlfriend etc. I know where I would have been in his position.

 

Dock Cities have nasty little places if you wander into them unawares, I'm sure that Cardiff has them. The Chapel isn't exactly a hotbed of violence either!

 

A truly sad set of circumstances for this particular fella and, as far as the Police are concerned, not even football related. It could have even happened in his own town. Don't try to deny that one!

 

Let's hope he recovers.

 

Probably the most sensible and well measured post I have read in a long, long while on this general subject.

[machen_blue]

Thanks for coming on here. Let's be frank though. Your mate Gaffa seems a decent guy in hanging around to care for the lad. Gaffa has admitted that the lad upset someone or a family. Saints boys have come forward telling of a 'guy in a pink jumper' acting the billy big balls and threatening fans. There's no proof that this was or is the same fan but maybe the pink jumper could, I say could, be the give away? Gaffa is going to, as we all may well do, play down the guy's behaviour. Somewhere between Gaffa and the other stories is the truth. neither are really that far from it.

 

You say you have been following Cardiff around for 20 years. I'm sure you are not naive, and that you realise that Cardiff might well be the 'big shots' at what may be deemed 'lesser towns and cities' but sometimes you come unstuck, as in this case. It does not lessen what has happened to this lad and if he had not struck his head he may well have walked away thinking himself lucky that he got just a slap.

 

There's always someone out there who is bigger, harder, tougher and downright nastier than you. This lad chose the wrong place to act however he acted. Some of your lads are saying that he was fresh out of Afghanistan, he has a pregnant girlfriend etc. I know where I would have been in his position.

 

Dock Cities have nasty little places if you wander into them unawares, I'm sure that Cardiff has them. The Chapel isn't exactly a hotbed of violence either!

 

A truly sad set of circumstances for this particular fella and, as far as the Police are concerned, not even football related. It could have even happened in his own town. Don't try to deny that one!

 

Let's hope he recovers.

 

I am not here to defend Cardiff I came to say that not everyone is right about this and the only person that really know are him, Gaffa, and the perpetrators.

 

As for "not denying that one", what have I denied so far? All I have said is there are quite a few here playing judge and jury and that he asked for it when they are going on (very) circumstantial evidence. As for denying that it could happen in any town, who would disagree? I already said that it was not football fans and I would not accept anyone that said it was football hooligans. All places have hooligans, football or not, of course it could have happened anywhere!

 

Pink jumper = guilt? There are quite a few about you know.

[Arcadian]

I am not here to defend Cardiff I came to say that not everyone is right about this and the only person that really know are him, Gaffa, and the perpetrators.

 

As for "not denying that one", what have I denied so far? All I have said is there are quite a few here playing judge and jury and that he asked for it when they are going on (very) circumstantial evidence. As for denying that it could happen in any town, who would disagree? I already said that it was not football fans and I would not accept anyone that said it was football hooligans. All places have hooligans, football or not, of course it could have happened anywhere!

 

Pink jumper = guilt? There are quite a few about you know.

 

 

Fair points mate, far too much speculation and it is terrible that someone is in such a bad way. No one deserves it.

 

Machen lad then? I know Caerphilly and Bargoed pretty well!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I am not here to defend Cardiff I came to say that not everyone is right about this and the only person that really know are him, Gaffa, and the perpetrators.

 

As for "not denying that one", what have I denied so far? All I have said is there are quite a few here playing judge and jury and that he asked for it when they are going on (very) circumstantial evidence. As for denying that it could happen in any town, who would disagree? I already said that it was not football fans and I would not accept anyone that said it was football hooligans. All places have hooligans, football or not, of course it could have happened anywhere!

 

Pink jumper = guilt? There are quite a few about you know.

 

Again, being frank, Pink Jumper and acting more than the fool. How many of them were there? By the comments made, he was more than capable of upsetting people. Who knows what he would have been like if sober. Model citizen? Or dishing it out?

 

If you put yourself into a situation whether drunk or sober you sometimes come unstuck. What goes around comes around.

 

I hope he recovers.

[machen_blue]

Fair points mate, far too much speculation and it is terrible that someone is in such a bad way. No one deserves it.

 

Machen lad then? I know Caerphilly and Bargoed pretty well!

 

Its incredible that someone here knows Machen. Most people outside a 10 mile radius have never heard of it!

 

As far this incident, the point I am trying to make is that no defence is necessary in my opinion from Saints fans. They have done nothing wrong. If this happened in Cardiff during a match I would not look for reasons why it happened nor try to defend them. Why should I? The people that would do it would be nothing to do with me, my friends, my family, or my football club. Things like this do happen in all towns across the UK. Believe it or not, it even happened in Machen two years ago!

[OldNick]

I am a Cardiff fan and the first thing I have to say is that I walked to the ground from Ocean Village (past the Chapel pub I believe) and walked back the same way. At no time did I feel under threat and was very surprised when I got home to read what had happened. On the whole, any time that I have been to Southampton I have felt safe, and fans outside seem to mix freely.

 

After reading this thread initially, the earlier posts were very supportive and critical of the incident. However later posts seem to accept that because he had a pink jumper on then he must have been looking for trouble because somebody with a pink jumper was!!! Speculate all you like but it doesn't mean that 1) it is a fact and 2) if it was it was the same person. The one factual account that any of us have is Gaffa's (he is the one that got hit, and he is a genuine bloke). He doesn't mention that the lad was causing trouble, on the contrary. He was there so I would rather take his word than decide he was asking for it anyway.

 

Please realise, that even though we do have an unruly element (and the MB you refer to does actually criticise this element, and 99% do not rejoice in the fact), this is the vast minority. I have been going to Cardiff home and away for over 20 years and never been spoken to by a policeman (apart from asking directions) let alone got into any trouble. I am sure that all clubs have this minority but on the whole fans are genuine supporters that the opposing fans can chat and have a friendly drink with.

 

Please don't be defensive. As far as I am concerned these were not Southampton fans they were locals. If they were fans then they would surely have been at the game anyway!

Thanks for your view.There seems to be a growing history of problems between a few from both clubs.We had a couple of fns hit with a scoffold pole at yuor place and there was said to be trouble in the city before and after the game.Not a normal practice when most teams come.Without a doubt Cardiff Millwall to a degree (it has been stamped upon) Leeds and Pompey have al arge crew who are thick enough to want trouble.Sometimes these people pick on the wrong ones and get off worse.I myself have been to many games and also not been involved apart from in the 70's in Bristol when as young lads were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I think the problem is there is generally no smoke without fire. When I went up to Cardiff with a couple of mates a season or 2 ago (I was visiting mates from Uni - Cardiff fans and we went to see them vs Sunderland, incidentally the same day we did Wolves 6-0 at their place), I got started on because some of the fans heard I had an English accent, one of them telling me he was going to 'cut me good'. I mean wtf is that about. If this fan is anything like that, then I'm not surprised an altercation took place. I felt so threatened in and around Ninian Park it was unbelievable, and I for one would not go back. I just hope that this incident doesn't turn into a problem for next years games, especially after the guys who got done over with scaffold poles last year. I certainly remember the Cardiff fans not being too sympathetic with that one.

 

I hope the kid gets well soon.

[Arcadian]

Its incredible that someone here knows Machen. Most people outside a 10 mile radius have never heard of it!

 

As far this incident, the point I am trying to make is that no defence is necessary in my opinion from Saints fans. They have done nothing wrong. If this happened in Cardiff during a match I would not look for reasons why it happened nor try to defend them. Why should I? The people that would do it would be nothing to do with me, my friends, my family, or my football club. Things like this do happen in all towns across the UK. Believe it or not, it even happened in Machen two years ago!

 

Small world and all that!

 

Totally agree, its just tragic that someone has ended up in hospital. End of.

[derry]

I am a Cardiff fan and the first thing I have to say is that I walked to the ground from Ocean Village (past the Chapel pub I believe) and walked back the same way. At no time did I feel under threat and was very surprised when I got home to read what had happened. On the whole, any time that I have been to Southampton I have felt safe, and fans outside seem to mix freely.

 

After reading this thread initially, the earlier posts were very supportive and critical of the incident. However later posts seem to accept that because he had a pink jumper on then he must have been looking for trouble because somebody with a pink jumper was!!! Speculate all you like but it doesn't mean that 1) it is a fact and 2) if it was it was the same person. The one factual account that any of us have is Gaffa's (he is the one that got hit, and he is a genuine bloke). He doesn't mention that the lad was causing trouble, on the contrary. He was there so I would rather take his word than decide he was asking for it anyway.

 

Please realise, that even though we do have an unruly element (and the MB you refer to does actually criticise this element, and 99% do not rejoice in the fact), this is the vast minority. I have been going to Cardiff home and away for over 20 years and never been spoken to by a policeman (apart from asking directions) let alone got into any trouble. I am sure that all clubs have this minority but on the whole fans are genuine supporters that the opposing fans can chat and have a friendly drink with.

 

Please don't be defensive. As far as I am concerned these were not Southampton fans they were locals. If they were fans then they would surely have been at the game anyway!

 

A lot of 'Saints fans' are boycotting the games in protest. They quite rightly want Lowe out and are making this point.

[ianthesaint]

apparently, during the game there was distrubances, with some serious injuries after some Southampton had it off with Cardiff,

 

apparently one lad was a in a seriously bad way.

[Toomer]

apparently, during the game there was distrubances, with some serious injuries after some Southampton had it off with Cardiff,

 

apparently one lad was a in a seriously bad way.

 

????????????????????????????

[Toomer]

A lot of 'Saints fans' are boycotting the games in protest. They quite rightly want Lowe out and are making this point.

 

WTF has this got to do with a Cardiff fan fighting for his life in hospital.

[eelpie]

apparently, during the game there was distrubances, with some serious injuries after some Southampton had it off with Cardiff,

 

apparently one lad was a in a seriously bad way.

 

How can that be during the game when the fans are segregated?

[bungle]

A lot of 'Saints fans' are boycotting the games in protest. They quite rightly want Lowe out and are making this point.

 

Felt this thread needed some anti-Lowe drivel, did you?

[bigtonesfc]

apparently, during the game there was distrubances, with some serious injuries after some Southampton had it off with Cardiff,

 

apparently one lad was a in a seriously bad way.

 

Have you read any of this thread?????

[Hatch]

apparently, during the game there was distrubances, with some serious injuries after some Southampton had it off with Cardiff,

 

apparently one lad was a in a seriously bad way.

 

Where did you hear this from?

[Dog]

WTF has this got to do with a Cardiff fan fighting for his life in hospital.

 

If the lads who were boycotting, had turned up, then there could've been more casualties.? ?

[derry]

WTF has this got to do with a Cardiff fan fighting for his life in hospital.

 

If you bothered to read the posts, the point was made by Macen that the locals couldn't be fans as they weren't at the game. Not necessarily true.

 

It wouldn't make you look so stupid if you refrained from the use of WTF.

[derry]

Felt this thread needed some anti-Lowe drivel, did you?

 

I don't waste time on the prat usually, but a bit of background for the Cardiff poster.

[instinct]

is it just me or does anyone else read the cardiff posts in a welsh accent?

 

hope the lad gets better, ****ty thing to happen

 

doubt the person who did it even meant him to get that hurt

[Dog]

It was a freak accident IMO.

I do hope he gets over it and comes back next season in his pink shirt.

[AndyD]

This should not happen at a football match but at least its 1 down, 2.5 million to go.

 

Oh u wicked bugger

[StuRomseySaint]

I have lots of mates who are Saints fans, who no longer go to the games as they can't be arsed / can't justify the cost, yet still come into town for a few beers pre and post-match.

[The Majestic Channon]

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/fudforum/index.php?t=msg&th=133497&start=0&rid=0&S=5a7eb281fef72bd1a14e9fe9d1ecfd8d

 

I got banned from that site, some bint took offence to me daring to suggest he MIGHT have been looking for it.

[The9]

Its incredible that someone here knows Machen. Most people outside a 10 mile radius have never heard of it!

 

As far this incident, the point I am trying to make is that no defence is necessary in my opinion from Saints fans. They have done nothing wrong. If this happened in Cardiff during a match I would not look for reasons why it happened nor try to defend them. Why should I? The people that would do it would be nothing to do with me, my friends, my family, or my football club. Things like this do happen in all towns across the UK. Believe it or not, it even happened in Machen two years ago!

 

Not that incredible, here's another one - born in Newport and played against Trethomas and Machen in local football all through the 90s/00s.

 

I will readily admit to being a tad biased given my birthplace, but I've also got a LOT of experience of Cardiff fans from an outsider perspective, and it does have to be said that Cardiff City have a larger proportion of intolerant fight-seeking nobbers than the vast majority of other teams. Even walking the few hundred yards back to my car after the match there were a few bell-ends offering people out as they came out of the footbridge onto Northam Road from the other side of a well-policed fence, I haven't seen that with any other team's fans in the same locations.

 

None of that is particularly relevant to this specific incident, besides raising the likelihood that a few locals looking for trouble knew they could get the fight they were looking for when Cardiff City were in town.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Unfortunately assaults causing death rarely result in murder convictions. The recent case of the completely innocent bloke in the supermarket who was punched and killed by a moron following the demands of his slapper girlfriend only got a relatively short sentence for manslaughter.

 

The doorman who puched and killed the Southampton fella in Bristol got the same.

 

Years ago if you hit someone not caring about or considering what the results mught be it was often treated as murder - now people get a way with saying they didn't intend to kill, and get the light end of a manslaughter sentence, at worst. In my book, if you attack somone with force not caring about the end result, you should get a long sentence.

 

Is it ok to attack someone with force as long as you care about the end result?

[saint_stevo]

he alive or not then?

[Jonnyboy]

Is it ok to attack someone with force as long as you care about the end result?

 

Well you can push someone over with the intention of - them falling over, I dont think this justifies a long sentence...

[Gemmel]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4168105.Who_did_this_to_football_fan_/

 

 

Updated on Echo site

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The Echo are doing it AGAIN: Making everything look like Jamie Turner mark II.

[bridge too far]

I wonder why they make such a thing about his being a soldier?

 

I'm sorry that he has been hurt but I don't feel MORE sorry just because he's a soldier.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

There's a couple of comments which appear to come from the Licensees of the Chapel Arms?

 

IF this guy was as drunk as many have said on here I'm wondering why the licensees of any pub had served him. I always understood that it's actually against the law to serve someone who is intoxicated?

 

Yes, I know it happens every day of the week.

 

Are the licensees of the Chapel covering their rather exposed derrières?

 

Any further news on this lad than what is in the local rag? No matter what he did (or didn't do) let's hope he recovers.

[Mao Cap]

I wonder why they make such a thing about his being a soldier?

 

I'm sorry that he has been hurt but I don't feel MORE sorry just because he's a soldier.

 

For journalists, the sad irony of it makes it a better story.

 

Chap survives the Taliban's snipers and roadside bombs without a scratch (I presume, he could have been in the cookhouse or something) then comes home, gets involved in some daft common or garden bullsh*t in a pub, and ends up in a coma.

 

Hope he's OK.

[bridge too far]

Not wishing to generalise, but having lived in a garrison town at one time, I know that some armed forces personnel are well up for a fight.

 

I hope he recovers quickly and completely.

[Scummer]

There's a couple of comments which appear to come from the Licensees of the Chapel Arms?

 

IF this guy was as drunk as many have said on here I'm wondering why the licensees of any pub had served him. I always understood that it's actually against the law to serve someone who is intoxicated?

 

Yes, I know it happens every day of the week.

 

Are the licensees of the Chapel covering their rather exposed derrières?

 

Any further news on this lad than what is in the local rag? No matter what he did (or didn't do) let's hope he recovers.

 

There were some hammered Cardiff fans in the Chapel Arms on Saturday.

[Mole]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4168105.Who_did_this_to_football_fan_/

 

 

Updated on Echo site

 

WHEN they catch the scum that did this they should lock them up and throw away the key.

[Mole]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4168105.Who_did_this_to_football_fan_/

 

 

Updated on Echo site

 

WHEN they catch the scum that did this they should lock them up and throw away the key.

[scott_saints]

WHEN they catch the scum that did this they should lock them up and throw away the key.

I think the prisons are pretty full as it is. Locking up people for throwing a punch or two wouldn't help.