Saint_clark Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 up and away said: English your second language or some honesty for a change? I thought the same. Had to read it about 4 times and I was still confused.
Saint_clark Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 alpine_saint said: I understood Daren W completely. I misread it because I was trying to read so fast. My own stupid fault. I do get it now.
sidthesquid Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 What Wotte has done, which sadly Jan never seemed able to do, is put round pegs in round holes & play a formation that suits our players. Football is a simple game, the better the manager the simpler they make it seem
Daren W Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 up and away said: English your second language or some honesty for a change? Hmmm, let me think... Difference is some of us are just are glad to be wrong: That would be those of us who aren't overly fond of Wotte, find him rather cold and unpleasant but as long as he does the business we don't care. Whilst some of us are just glad to be smug pr1cks... That would be you and JohnnyWetMepants As for being honest, perhaps you could point out where I've lied or been dishonest? I'm waiting....
chi saint Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 He may or may not save us from the drop but as I 've been saying since he was appointed, you know with him he's his own man, he confident in his own ability, doesn't seem to worry too much about who he upsets and clearly has an air of authority about him. All these qualities are certainly having a positive effect on the team, they are more of a unit and prepared to put the effort in. Today is the first time I can recall for ages when you knew the whole stadium were behind the team and I would argue even if we hadn't have got the three points their would have been a round of applause at the end for the effort and quality. Whatever else happens he has for my money put the pride back into Saints.
1965onwards Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Wotte is a ****. But as a manager i believe he is a positive man,with belief in his own abilities,and is able to engender belief and commitment in the players (British players anyway). He would gain Saints fans respect if he kept off the politics.I believe he spouts off because he does not intend to stay around,as his history suggests.
70's Mike Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 1965onwards said: Wotte is a ****. But as a manager i believe he is a positive man,with belief in his own abilities,and is able to engender belief and commitment in the players (British players anyway). He would gain Saints fans respect if he kept off the politics.I believe he spouts off because he does not intend to stay around,as his history suggests. Or he is ignoring Ruperts instructions regarding team selection
sidthesquid Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 1965onwards said: Wotte is a ****. But as a manager i believe he is a positive man,with belief in his own abilities,and is able to engender belief and commitment in the players (British players anyway). He would gain Saints fans respect if he kept off the politics.I believe he spouts off because he does not intend to stay around,as his history suggests. He might well be. Most good managers are, but who cares?
St_Tel49 Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: Not content with beating the best manager in the worlds record start last week, Wotte has gone on to really do the impossible. Wotte or "Dutch idiot" to his critics must now be on the verge of entering the hall of fame after trashing the best manager ever in the worlds old record. To be fair JFP two losses did not make him a bad manager neither does two wins make him brilliant. However the manner of those wins is very encouraging. It might be better to focus less on point-scoring on this board and concentrate on supporting the team to do its points-scoring on the park.
1965onwards Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Many Saints fans CARE that they are criticised by a foreigner who knows nothing about the history of this club. But then as a Lowe puppet,you would agree with him.
70's Mike Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 St_Tel49 said: To be fair JFP two losses did not make him a bad manager neither does two wins make him brilliant. However the manner of those wins is very encouraging. It might be better to focus less on point-scoring on this board and concentrate on supporting the team to do its points-scoring on the park. disagree it is better to the point scoring on this board and be 100% united in the ground. the support today was immense and imo kept the team going over the last 15 minutes
NickG Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 1965onwards said: Many Saints fans CARE that they are criticised by a foreigner who knows nothing about the history of this club. But then as a Lowe puppet,you would agree with him. he was full of praise, again, on radio afterwards for the fans.
NickG Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Quote disagree it is better to the point scoring on this board and be 100% united in the ground. the support today was immense and imo kept the team going over the last 15 minutes you could tell players appreciated it - at one stage when back of Itchen was singing saw Wotte turn to watch the crowd. They do seem to benefit from the good support -and have said its down to them to play well enough to deserve it
Daren W Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 up and away said: English your second language or some honesty for a change? 1965onwards said: Wotte is a ****. But as a manager i believe he is a positive man,with belief in his own abilities,and is able to engender belief and commitment in the players (British players anyway). He would gain Saints fans respect if he kept off the politics.I believe he spouts off because he does not intend to stay around,as his history suggests. Spot on. I don't like him but like has nothing to with it. What we need is someone who isn't the players best mate and is the boss, someone who commands respect from the players... someone a bit like, ooh er, Nigel Pearson... But he really should keep his gob shut when it comes to thoughtles comments about the fans. I don't give a sh1t about the fans, I don't pay good money to go and watch the fans, I pay to watch his team. Get your house in order and then comment about the fans, who incidently have put up with more cr@p then any fan should ever have to put up with. Right now he's getting his house in order. Get us out of the relegation zone and I'll listen to anything he's got to say...
70's Mike Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 NickG said: you could tell players appreciated it - at one stage when back of Itchen was singing saw Wotte turn to watch the crowd. They do seem to benefit from the good support -and have said its down to them to play well enough to deserve it most fans especially now we are down to the hardcore do understand the game, they will forgive missed shots etc if they see effort and passion , they were not fooled in the first part of the season by the propaganda football we played, retaining poession is no use without an end product. We are going a bit more direct now, winning second ball by pushing players nearer to Euell and playing the passing game to achieve something
St_Tel49 Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Quote disagree it is better to the point scoring on this board and be 100% united in the ground. the support today was immense and imo kept the team going over the last 15 minutes I think you have misinterpreted what I said in which case I apologise for my lack of clarity. I actually agree with you.
70's Mike Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 St_Tel49 said: I think you have misinterpreted what I said in which case I apologise for my lack of clarity. I actually agree with you. no problem it is my age
the boy from saints Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 FFS. A bit of good feeling and a second home win in a row...there is no need for point scoring or snide comments. We won. We are in a massively better position than expected. Forget your egos for a second. Wotte, beyond all expectations is doing a job. I hate Lowe, but I don't care...hope is back...I can enjoy going to see the Saints again..and for that I'm thankful. Just drop the arrogant attitude and enjoy the win like a true fan!
SW11_Saint Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: Not content with beating the best manager in the worlds record start last week, Wotte has gone on to really do the impossible. Wotte or "Dutch idiot" to his critics must now be on the verge of entering the hall of fame after trashing the best manager ever in the worlds old record.Yawn.
sperm_john Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Durleyfos said: Jonny's some fisherman. yeah how quickly they all bite! lol, what people are forgetting is that wins have been few and far between so hes not far off when he go's abit over the top celebrating! enjoy it everyone (yes i know its early days)
yorkie Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Under the circumstances Wotte seems to have built a balanced side. It wasn't rocket science - but perhaps he's his own man and not Lowe's puppet? He has experienced players now fit to call on, and back from being on loan. He has a big centre back who isn't bullied. The players are playing in their best positions and understand what they have to do. Most supporters saw the way forward it seems Jan & Rupert between them didn't have a clue. Rumours of administration still circling, but the fans are getting something to cheer about. I wonder if the protest marches had anything to do with it? Not sure what the remainder of the season holds for us - but Forest away will be one of the key games on that last day. Could be a nail biting end to the season!
JustMike Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: How come if you are a depressing half wit you can come on here and say your bit of doom and gloom and not expect to be reminded of it if you were wrong? Even last week people were saying it was only one win and we would lose today. Then all week the same people say we will be poor and that Cardiff are not like Preston. Well we beat them both but if you had faith in that happening you should be quiet for fear of upsetting the boo boys and their quest for misery. Sorry, but if my messages needle you at all then so be it. To be honest I dont care. yes wotte has done well, but it is just 2 games and there is obvious signs that he does things differently to JP... BUT my problem is, Wotte was here all along and should have spoken up earlier. Lowe should have gone with him in the first place rather than waiting until we are in the sh** to act. There is no need for your smugness and comparisions with NP, its 2 different circumstances.
buctootim Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 1965onwards said: Many Saints fans CARE that they are criticised by a foreigner who knows nothing about the history of this club.. Ambrose Bierce: HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. E. L. Doctorow: History is the present. That's why every generation writes it anew. But what most people think of as history is its end product, myth. George Bernard Shaw: We learn from history that we learn nothing from history. Gerda Lerner: What we do about history matters. The often repeated saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them has a lot of truth in it. But what are 'the lessons of history'? The very attempt at definition furnishes ground for new conflicts. History is not a recipe book; past events are never replicated in the present in quite the same way. Historical events are infinitely variable and their interpretations are a constantly shifting process. There are no certainties to be found in the past. Henry Ford: History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We want to live in the present and the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history we make today. Jane Haddam: People always seemed to know half of history, and to get it confused with the other half. Karl Marx: History does nothing; it does not possess immense riches, it does not fight battles. It is men, real, living, who do all this Paul Valery: History is the science of what never happens twice. Percy Bysshe Shelley: Fear not for the future, weep not for the past. Peter Berger: The past is malleable and flexible, changing as our recollection interprets and re-explains what has happened. Thomas Carlyle: History, a distillation of rumour.
1965onwards Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Thank you for yet another pointless interjection,Buctootim,or is it nicebutdim.
NickG Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 buctootim said: Ambrose Bierce: HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. E. L. Doctorow: History is the present. That's why every generation writes it anew. But what most people think of as history is its end product, myth. George Bernard Shaw: We learn from history that we learn nothing from history. Gerda Lerner: What we do about history matters. The often repeated saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them has a lot of truth in it. But what are 'the lessons of history'? The very attempt at definition furnishes ground for new conflicts. History is not a recipe book; past events are never replicated in the present in quite the same way. Historical events are infinitely variable and their interpretations are a constantly shifting process. There are no certainties to be found in the past. Henry Ford: History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We want to live in the present and the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history we make today. Jane Haddam: People always seemed to know half of history, and to get it confused with the other half. Karl Marx: History does nothing; it does not possess immense riches, it does not fight battles. It is men, real, living, who do all this Paul Valery: History is the science of what never happens twice. Percy Bysshe Shelley: Fear not for the future, weep not for the past. Peter Berger: The past is malleable and flexible, changing as our recollection interprets and re-explains what has happened. Thomas Carlyle: History, a distillation of rumour. most interesting post on here in ages!
1965onwards Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 So you agree that Saints do not have a history then Nick?
NickG Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 1965onwards said: So you agree that Saints do not have a history then Nick? after above, not sure what history is anymore!
Daren W Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 NickG said: most interesting post on here in ages! Without a doubt the most amazing piece of cut-pastery ever....
buctootim Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Daren W said: Without a doubt the most amazing piece of cut-pastery ever.... Excuse me. I edited it first!
Daren W Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 buctootim said: Excuse me. I edited it first! Without a doubt the most amazing piece of edited cut-pastery ever....
miserableoldgit Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 I would like to make two points:- Firstly, it was widely believed that Lowe wanted Wotte 3 or 4 years ago. Why did JP suddenly appear on the scene with MW and take charge of the first team? Why not give that position to Wotte in the first place with JP looking after the reseves/academy. Secondly, whilst I am very happy with the last 2 results, I am more impressed with the way that the team played. We didn`t just sneak the results, we outplayed and out fought the opposition. Wotte does seem to have made a difference, but I suppose time will tell!
1965onwards Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 There is no middle ground with a man like Wotte. He will either produce a very positive reaction in players,or a completely negative reaction. I believe his record in Holland is meaningless,as dutch players are a law unto themselves and almost impossible to manage.
samoakley Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 He desvers credit for doing well since he has taken over but i want to be sayin at the end of the season how he turned us around and how we should of had him as manager and JP as are assisant, would like to see him back at the club in a high coaching role or as head of youth btw. Wotte i hope you can get us at least a point next week and hopefully results go are way, as long as he carrys on doing the right tactical and subs decisons were be fine its one thing JP lacked was knowing wen to kill off or defend a game, as he cleary had a ok plan a but no plan b, i think we have signed that liptak to come on when winning or drawing a hard away game with 10-15mins left to help see the game out.
Tamesaint Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Nineteen Canteen said: .......and Nigel Pearson. Laughable he was being compared to Martin O'Neill on another thread. Don't think the latter enjoyed the backing of a wealthy chairman and inferior opposition. Alpine and Stanley could probably manage Leicester and get them promoted this season. Still, we will be able to find out next season because we are staying up! The most laughable thing on your post is you. Why bring Pearson into this thread??? This thread as nothing to do with him ... apart from the fact that if Rupert hadn't appointed an incompetent to replace him we would not now be in the relegation zone. Mind you, I agree that we are staying up.... as long as Rupert keeps out of the dressing room.
Tamesaint Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: Not content with beating the best manager in the worlds record start last week, Wotte has gone on to really do the impossible. Wotte or "Dutch idiot" to his critics must now be on the verge of entering the hall of fame after trashing the best manager ever in the worlds old record. Starting this thread at 4.58pm. Hmmmm Don't you bother to go to matches???
Daren W Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Nineteen Canteen said: .......and Nigel Pearson. Laughable he was being compared to Martin O'Neill on another thread. Don't think the latter enjoyed the backing of a wealthy chairman and inferior opposition. Alpine and Stanley could probably manage Leicester and get them promoted this season. Still, we will be able to find out next season because we are staying up! I take it you've forgotten that O'Neil managed Leicester....
Daren W Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 (edited) up and away said: English your second language or some honesty for a change? Daren W said: Hmmm, let me think... Difference is some of us are just are glad to be wrong: That would be those of us who aren't overly fond of Wotte, find him rather cold and unpleasant but as long as he does the business we don't care. Whilst some of us are just glad to be smug pr1cks... That would be you and JohnnyWetMepants As for being honest, perhaps you could point out where I've lied or been dishonest? I'm waiting.... I'm still waiting.... Edited 28 February, 2009 by Daren W
JohnnyFartPants Posted 28 February, 2009 Author Posted 28 February, 2009 Tamesaint said: Starting this thread at 4.58pm. Hmmmm Don't you bother to go to matches??? You are actually correct in that I was not at the match but you are also on a sticky wicket given that I was then, and I am now, using my mobile telephone. Get with the times, grandad.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 1 March, 2009 Author Posted 1 March, 2009 Daren W said: I'm still waiting.... Dont take him too literally with the dishonesty thing. He might just share the popular c*nt theory of you.
Tamesaint Posted 1 March, 2009 Posted 1 March, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: You are actually correct in that I was not at the match but you are also on a sticky wicket given that I was then, and I am now, using my mobile telephone. Get with the times, grandad. Using your mobile telephone to troll this website at 11.50 pm on a saturday night!! You are very sad ... sonny.
Tamesaint Posted 1 March, 2009 Posted 1 March, 2009 Daren W said: I take it you've forgotten that O'Neil managed Leicester.... I wonder whether he knows what Justin Fashanu is doing these days??
JohnnyFartPants Posted 1 March, 2009 Author Posted 1 March, 2009 Tamesaint said: Using your mobile telephone to troll this website at 11.50 pm on a saturday night!! You are very sad ... sonny. Right! So where as I am watching Dom Joly on tv while flicking through the website now and again that is sad, but you, up on your pc, solely alone and doing the exact same thing are living the life? Shut up you prat.
Tamesaint Posted 1 March, 2009 Posted 1 March, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: Right! So where as I am watching Dom Joly on tv while flicking through the website now and again that is sad, but you, up on your pc, solely alone and doing the exact same thing are living the life? Shut up you prat. ;-) ,;-) Grow up please.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 1 March, 2009 Author Posted 1 March, 2009 Tamesaint said: ;-) ,;-) Grow up please. I take it you worked it out then?
Daren W Posted 1 March, 2009 Posted 1 March, 2009 JohnnyFartPants said: Dont take him too literally with the dishonesty thing. He might just share the popular c*nt theory of you. Whereas you've just proved the dull, uninteresting and deeply unamusing poster theory most people have of you. Now **** off you sad, dull, uninteresting little ****...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 1 March, 2009 Author Posted 1 March, 2009 Daren W said: Whereas you've just proved the dull, uninteresting and deeply unamusing poster theory most people have of you. Now **** off you sad, dull, uninteresting little ****... This is a weird thing to say. You see I have never said I am amusing or funny. I find it odd that you would constantly want to tell me I am not funny. Why? You dont constantly tell me other things I am not. You are a befuddling yet also tiresome lowlife form.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 1 March, 2009 Posted 1 March, 2009 Great job finding out what most have us have been shouting for months - play Euell up front with Saga. Yes, he's won us two games - let's hope for more, but he's not the Messiah just yet.
Professor Posted 1 March, 2009 Posted 1 March, 2009 Quote funny thing is i wonder how rupert squares the current team and style with the tyro football he imposed on us for the first half of the season Same old Mike - If its going wrong its Lowe's fault. If its going well its despite Lowe's attempts to make it go wrong. Lowe does not take training, dictate the tactics or pick the team - that is what the head coach does. JP had a reputation for handling young players well, but it didn't work. No two managers are the same, and Wotte does it his way. He has done the obvious which is to change a system that wasn't working. Lowe doesn't come into it, but the problem for some people is that although they want Saints to win, when the team does, its hard to find some other way of criticising Lowe. Wotte has done really well with two tough games at home and now he's got some tough games to come away. But the lads have done well away from home and Wotte is proving to be a good motivator. Its asking a lot for Wotte to deliver two more straight wins, but one would be nice and one plus a draw would be great! As for Lowe, I expect he's very pleased that his appointment of Wotte is looking good so far. The rest of us should feel the same.
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