Saints v Cardiff: post match reaction

[VectisSaint]

Come on DUNCAN. Can't you enjoy the victory without knocking Lowe in just one single post? You are just as bad as alpine_saint on this.

 

We might well be in administration if they had all played in the first half of the season? Did you consider that?

Shame when someone refers to the truth. Very doubtful that we would have been in administration, but even if we had been we also might not have been in the relegation zone, have you considered that? Darlington are in Admin but are still fighting to get in the play-offs.

 

Two great results, but people need to keep their feet on the ground, we are still in the drop zone, getting out is not in our own hands, and Wilde and Lowe are still "in charge". Fitzhugh makes a good point, don't knock it.

[Whitey Grandad]

Two great results, but people need to keep their feet on the ground, we are still in the drop zone, getting out is not in our own hands, and Wilde and Lowe are still "in charge". Fitzhugh makes a good point, don't knock it.

Technically it is as someone pointed out on another thread (apologies, I can't remember who). If we get at least a point from the Watford game, match Norwich and Charlton then all we have to do is beat Forest.

[Give it to Ron]

It is fairly pointless trying to reason with people if they dont understand the basics of budgeting.We had to show the banks we were reacting to the situation.We may have had costs ourselves but we offloaded a lot of high paid players as well as getting higher loan fees than we paid out if any. Saga would not be here if we could have sold him, we dont know who we would have got in his place of course, who may have been better or worse.The point is that Wotte has acted and used his time sitting in the background to see what wew needed.Size was the first and then getting the older players into a more direct style

 

Basics of budgeting...so you budget for a crowd of 17k then send out on loan 3 of your top goalscorers and alienate all your other senior pro's telling them they "are surplus to requirenments" and any hope of consistantly winning games to keep the 17k coming.

Brilliant budgeting but then you would say that.

Wotte sat in the background to see whats needed.....bugger me he sat still long enough didn't he for someone heralded as part of the Dutch masterplan!

90% of fans could of told him after 3 games or even before a ball was kicked what was needed...the same that has been needed for the last 4 years. A big bloke up front Euell and ball winning centre half in Size so fair play to Wotte for seeing the bleeding obvious and lets hope he continues for the rest of the season.

[hypochondriac]

I dont agree. Lowe took the fan base for granted, and assumed his ideas were right, as he always has.

 

Sorry I was talking about you!

[alpine_saint]

Sorry I was talking about you!

 

I'm beginning to worry about this outbreak of agreement between me & you ...

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I'ts great to read that so many think we have a chance -

 

now that we have a centre half,

we are using some of the experienced players,

we have got rid of a manager with no experience at all at this level,

and are playing more or less 2 up front....

 

- oh, all the things the critics were saying before the bl**dy season started....

[NickG]

I'ts great to read that so many think we have a chance -

 

now that we have a centre half,

we are using some of the experienced players,

we have got rid of a manager with no experience at all at this level,

and are playing more or less 2 up front....

 

- oh, all the things the critics were saying before the bl**dy season started....

 

and replaced with another foreign manager with no experience at this level;)

[NickG]

Something I posted in my post.

 

IMHO both he and Gillett hit the wall at about 75 mins. Didn't look like a knock (but could well be wrong) and you're right in that there was a patch when he passed to the opposition 4 or 5 times on the trot.

 

We was kept on a bit too long, but no harm done.

 

A question I would have is why these young lads run out of steam at this point??? I would have thought that these are close to their prime (being 23 & 21) and although they have still to develop fully, I would have thought stamina wouldn't be one of the problems.

 

Is it because this is their first season playing at this level and playing such a run of games and they're not used to it?

 

Was our training regime, particularly pre season, poor?

 

think you are faster and sharper at that age but not as strong or have as much stamina.

 

Also they went (particularly Gillet) through a huge amount of work -ther first half hour was a sprinting session.

 

Wotte did say that DMG tired as he wasn't used to the midfield role yet.

[AlfredKo]

Their number 44 striker is indeed unbelieveablely ****ing poor!!!! Everytime he touched the ball, we were able to regain possession. I think he was the key for us to keep a clean sheet quite easily yesterday. Our centre halves have by far more ability than their strikers. I think it is extremely funny to see that there are plenty of poor strikers up against Size and Perry two weeks in a row. Can we play them every week. This shows that there are quite a few poor strike forces in this division.

[OldNick]

What the f**k is that supposed to mean ? Are you denying all those examples Give It To Ron wrote ?? How did they slip in underneath Barclays's radar scope ???

 

Getting rid of all three of John, Rasiak and Saga whilst considering all the on-field and off-field personnel (mainly shiit) we brought in, is utterly indefensible.

Well if you take away 15k minimum of wages outof our weekly losses add on the loan fees which would be well above the ones we paid out and that would show Barclays that we were grasping the nettle.

If we carried on regardless paying the wages without trying to cut them then the bank would not view that with any sympathy.We dont know the position of the club financially, but losing over a 100k a week needs to be acted on.

Add the luck that we drew MU in the cup and you can see why the finances have eased ever so slightly.

So far the rigourous cutting of the wage bill has saved us 10 points. Yes we may well have got more with the better players, but we dont know as it is all opinion and not exact science.

[Give it to Ron]

Well if you take away 15k minimum of wages outof our weekly losses add on the loan fees which would be well above the ones we paid out and that would show Barclays that we were grasping the nettle.

If we carried on regardless paying the wages without trying to cut them then the bank would not view that with any sympathy.We dont know the position of the club financially, but losing over a 100k a week needs to be acted on.

Add the luck that we drew MU in the cup and you can see why the finances have eased ever so slightly.

So far the rigourous cutting of the wage bill has saved us 10 points. Yes we may well have got more with the better players, but we dont know as it is all opinion and not exact science.

 

But with players like Idiakez etc out of contract we were showing the bank that costs were being cut - the wings closed, no buses.

Nowhere has anyone suggested we could afford to keep John, Rasiak and Saga but to loan all 3...utter madness.

Rigorous wage cutting may have save 10 points but how many have we thrown away this season by a shocking Dutch appointment in JP and the mainly youth only players in the first team!

Forgetting all this board crap...I know your position which is very similar to mine except one point....that can be left now the only thing that will see us up revenue is wins.

The crowd will support the team and manager if the results are there but to play 3/4 of the season with those plans is foolhardy at least and as I pointed out the abysmal waste of resources we had was nigh on criminal....good businessman my arse!

Edited 1 March, 2009 by Give it to Ron

[dubai_phil]

But with players like Idiakez etc out of contract we were showing the bank that costs were being cut - the wings closed, no buses.

Nowhere has anyone suggested we could afford to keep John, Rasiak and Saga but to loan all 3...utter madness.

Rigorous wage cutting may have save 10 pints but how many have we thrown away this season by a shocking Dutch appointment in JP and the mainly youth only players in the first team!

Forgetting all this board crap...I know your position which is very similar to mine except one point....that can be left now the only thing that will see us up revenue is wins.

The crowd will support the team and manager if the results are there but to play 3/4 of the season with those plans is foolhardy at least and as I pointed out the abysmal waste of resources we had was nigh on criminal....good businessman my arse!

 

I agree we would likely have been more than 10 points better off, but please as others have said, don't fall into the trap of thinking that the ONLY penalty for admin would be a 10 point deduction. It would be a heck of a lot worse than that. We do not ACTUALLY know how bad things were, opinions are valid but we lack the FULL facts on what had to be done versus what some stupid doctrine WISHED to have happen.

 

Meanwhile yes word for word on your last paragraph and yes not keeping ONE playing was insane but I've said that enough elsewhere

[alpine_saint]

Well if you take away 15k minimum of wages outof our weekly losses add on the loan fees which would be well above the ones we paid out and that would show Barclays that we were grasping the nettle.

If we carried on regardless paying the wages without trying to cut them then the bank would not view that with any sympathy.We dont know the position of the club financially, but losing over a 100k a week needs to be acted on.

Add the luck that we drew MU in the cup and you can see why the finances have eased ever so slightly.

So far the rigourous cutting of the wage bill has saved us 10 points. Yes we may well have got more with the better players, but we dont know as it is all opinion and not exact science.

 

Your post may have a ring on sense in principle, but does getting rid of all three of recognised strikers show any stronger "grasping of the nettle" than only getting rid of two and employing one less member of coaching staff, having better results and therefore higher attendances.

 

Sorry, this doesnt add up on costs alone and you know it too...

[hughieslastminutegoal]

and replaced with another foreign manager with no experience at this level;)

 

 

No, he has more experience at this level (though not CCC per se), as so many of the Lowe apologists have stated all season long. But not as much as I'd have liked, though....

[OldNick]

Your post may have a ring on sense in principle, but does getting rid of all three of recognised strikers show any stronger "grasping of the nettle" than only getting rid of two and employing one less member of coaching staff, having better results and therefore higher attendances.

 

Sorry, this doesnt add up on costs alone and you know it too...

If you are alluding to RL's mistake of keeping Jan too long Im with you on that.To be fair just before the Forest game I think we were 7 points clear?? (it may have been 4 points and we would have been 7 points)and if we had won we would have been in clover.So at that stage the experiment was still on track.The Doncaster game was indeed the watershed.The board whether by the fans reaction or the alarm bells ringing (or both)they acted.

I myself was very unimpressed with the new man, but as soon as I heard from my friends at the club what was happening i realised that we should give him a little time.I asked for fans to give at least 5 games and in the main i think the fans on here have been intelligent enough to have accepted that we had little choice and so get behind him.

[Greenridge]

.....I asked for fans to give at least 5 games and in the main i think the fans on here have been intelligent enough to have accepted that we had little choice and so get behind him.

 

To be fair I think both the team the two managers have had exceptional support where it matters - in the ground on matchday, and this despite the fare that was being served up. Other than the Donny game when JP suffered some grief I think the fans have been pretty damn good this year in the face of adversity.

[OldNick]

To be fair I think both the team the two managers have had exceptional support where it matters - in the ground on matchday, and this despite the fare that was being served up. Other than the Donny game when JP suffered some grief I think the fans have been pretty damn good this year in the face of adversity.

 

When have I said they haven't?Read my posts post matches and you will see i think the fans have been great and supportive under intense pressure.A large portion have been patient and understanding what the club needed to do.Yes it would have been better to have all the stars in the team but finances dictated they couldnt.

It seems things have stabilised a bit or people have pointed out to the bank that if the dont ease their restrictions we will go down or into administration and they will lose a large amount of money.Sense on ALL sides seem to have prevailed

[alpine_saint]

It seems things have stabilised a bit or people have pointed out to the bank that if the dont ease their restrictions we will go down or into administration and they will lose a large amount of money.Sense on ALL sides seem to have prevailed

 

a pity it took 30-odd games