Saints v Cardiff: post match reaction

[70's Mike]

I was thinking along those lines myself, Weston. I am a true fan and I must say that it has hurt me listening to those matches on the radio and not being there. The main reason for boycotting has not gone away, but everything that Lowe stood for in his mad experiment has been ditched and I believe that he has egg all over his face. Naturally I still want Lowe and the Quisling gone because of it, but I think that Wotte and this team do deserve support for the way that they have played these past two matches in particular. Of course it seemed that as effectively Wotte was Poortvliet's subordinate, that there was nothing to gain from promoting him on Poortvliet's departure as he was almost guilty by association, but apart from some unfortunate PR, Wotte does seem to be going about things the right way.

 

Let me just mention one small thing as an indication. I used to like the team huddle just before kick-off. Poortvliet dropped it and I took it as a negative. I'm presuming that Wotte has continued it these past couple of games, as I recall him doing it for those last home games I did attend and I was happy to see that they did it in front of the crowd at the final whistle. It speaks to me of camaraderie and esprit de corps; team spirit. But as they said on both Solent and Radio Hampshire, Wotte has achieved an improving team because he has a decent blend of youth and experience, two strikers up front and has decided on a decent team and is sticking with it, so that an understanding will grow between them as they develop together.

 

But these are things that most of us recognised were desirable in a successful team, but which were ignored by Lowe. Had the message sunk into his obstinate, pig-headed cranium much earlier, we could have been in the mid table comfort zone by now, almost assuredly with Nigel Pearson and on more recent evidence quite possibly with Wotte.

 

What is proven fairly conclusively this season is that the maxim that you don't win anything with kids has been a lesson that could have got us relegated had we stuck with it. Thank God that we couldn't get Scacel and Euell off the wage bill because there were no takers. Thank God that they are not rotting in the reserves and that we decided that as they are here and ours, we might as well play them. Thank God that Perry has escaped injury and is a real professional with top level experience and has proved to be forming a solid partnership with Saeijs, who looks a decent buy. But most of all, thank God we perseved with Kelvin Davis, who is almost certainly the best keeper in this division having made every doubter of his ability eat their words.

 

If the improbable happens and Wotte keeps us up, it won't be possible for Lowe to claim credit, as although Wotte was his man, he was effectively the second in command behind Jan nice but dim and success is coming not from Dutch total football, but tried and tested methods that have proven to be effective in British football at this level.

 

great last paragraph Wes, it must hurt Rupert to be proved wrong again

[alpine_saint]

If the improbable happens and Wotte keeps us up, it won't be possible for Lowe to claim credit, as although Wotte was his man, he was effectively the second in command behind Jan nice but dim and success is coming not from Dutch total football, but tried and tested methods that have proven to be effective in British football at this level.

 

I was thinking to myself during the week; whatever happens this season from now on, whether we rescue ourselves or not from relegation, if Lowe is still in charge come August, will he really be stubborn & stupid enough to try his pet theory AGAIN, despite it having died a very public and painful death AGAIN this season ???

[saintwarwick]

I'll ask again then.

 

Looked a penalty to me, I was directly in line and Saganowski was definately fouled but the ref immediately said no penalty.

[sidthesquid]

Brilliant - in some ways better than PNE because Cardiff looked more of the real deal.

Two points I'd like to make (with honestly no agenda) 1. McGoldrick, Gillett, James & Lallana, who have all had their share of criticism this season, all played like men today. McG & Lallana finally get it that their is more to football than a few flick-ons and hopeful shots at goal and both worked their socks off. And James & Gillett look like they really believe that they are CCC footballers, equal to anyone. And part of that is because we have stuck with them, given them a chance to mature & develop & I will always be grateful to Jan for that 2. In some ways we were a hybrid Dutch-English team today - a lot of fluidity & interchanging, but the foundations were the old 2 up front & 2 strong CBs that we all feel happy with. I wonder if Jan wishes he hadn't been so pig-headed on the one up front.

[dubai_phil]

One question

 

Did Connor's flower thing happen?

[trousers]

McG & Lallana finally get it that their is more to football than a few flick-ons and hopeful shots at goal and both worked their socks off.

 

Agree. I thought Lallana in particular had an influential game. Am surprised to see some (relatively) low marks for him from a few people.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Well done everyone on the park...

 

I enjoyed every minute today,can`t remember the last time i felt that way..

 

Keep it going lads...

[Saint_clark]

My first victory of the season

I'd forgotten what to do. I had to wait a couple of seconds to see everyone elses reactions before I did anything.

[St_Tel49]

I'll ask again then.

 

The first penalty was nailed on. The ball hit his arm which was raised. The linesman had no hesitation in flagging it. Actually I thought the officials had a decent game today - and I am not saying that because we won.

 

I thought that it was first class game of football and definitely a better result than last week. Cardiff looked like a team challenging for promotion and dominated longish phases of the play. I was impressed with how we coped with it. Every one of our players battled their hearts out and it seems unfair to single any player out. They all looked up for it and did what they had to do.

[Legod Third Coming]

Brilliant - in some ways better than PNE because Cardiff looked more of the real deal.

Two points I'd like to make (with honestly no agenda) 1. McGoldrick, Gillett, James & Lallana, who have all had their share of criticism this season, all played like men today. McG & Lallana finally get it that their is more to football than a few flick-ons and hopeful shots at goal and both worked their socks off. And James & Gillett look like they really believe that they are CCC footballers, equal to anyone. And part of that is because we have stuck with them, given them a chance to mature & develop & I will always be grateful to Jan for that 2. In some ways we were a hybrid Dutch-English team today - a lot of fluidity & interchanging, but the foundations were the old 2 up front & 2 strong CBs that we all feel happy with. I wonder if Jan wishes he hadn't been so pig-headed on the one up front.

 

Don't often agree with you Sid, but spot on here I think.

 

It finally looks like our team has a spine - defends from the front and is made of sterner stuff than earlier in the season when we simply relied on too many youth players.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Probably the best game of football I have seen this season - and a deserved win. Impressed with Size, Gillett (if only he could pass) and Euell and that right-back who always does his best.

 

We have half a chance of staying up but if only Lowe had sanctioned the use of Saga, Skacel and Jason instead of insisting JP pick the young 'uns then we would not be where we are today.

 

Support was fantastic today as well.

 

A win on Tuesday is not beyond us.

[del boy]

Looked a penalty to me, I was directly in line and Saganowski was definately fouled but the ref immediately said no penalty.

For me it was 100% penalty. If Saga had just fallen down I think it would have been given but the theatrical way in which he threw his arms up and crashed to the ground made it look too much like a dive - he didnt need to do that

[chi saint]

Certainly the best atmosphere this season, Wotte has instilled a sense of purpose in the team and a sense of pride in the fans.

 

How often can say Saints have held on to a lead for some 80mins? and kept a clean sheet to boot!

 

All in all a fine (not brilliant) performance, I thought Davis was superb and as others have said possibly a world class save, Gillett had a good game but at times he looked to me alongside McGold that he might cost us the game such was his woeful passing on occasion.

 

As for McGold, he was certainly in the ten minutes before he was subbed terrible, so lazy, but i'll allow him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was knackered hence being replaced.

 

Otherwise a solid peformance, players playing for each other and we could have had a couple more, as could Cardiff to be honest.

 

Oh yeah, for once good value for money as well.

[sidthesquid]

In my excitement I forgot to rate the players.....

Davis 8.5 - a couple of fantastic saves shone out in an otherwise steady day

James 8 - Defensively sound, rarely wasted the ball & put in some great crosses. Would anyone really prefer Jermaine back?

Skacel 8 - Looked really up for it today & rarely put a foot wrong

Perry 7.5 - Steady but unspectacular

Saeijs 9 - He just inspires confidence, doesn't he? Never looked like getting beaten

Gillett 8.5 - Growing into his role - the perfect foil for Surman, Lallana & McG

Surman 8.5 - Yet again the classiest player on the pitch. Central midfield is his best position

Lallana 7.5 - worked his socks off today. Not showy but a real effort for the team

McGoldrick 7.5 - more or less ditto to above. Has found his niche

Euell 8 - Not pretty but effective. Another one who has finally found his best position

Saganowski 7 - Not his best day, but worked hard and always looked like he might score

Schneiderlin 7 - Did okay without really catching the eye

BWP 7 - likewise

Liptak 7 - A handy fellow to bring on for the last five minutes

Wotte 10 - Stuck with a formation and team that seeemed to work. We do look narrow sometimes, but more importantly we look balanced and we look organised and we played some good football. Also, got his subs spot on again

[thefuriousb]

I hate sounding negative but this makes the first two thirds of the season all the much more frustrating.

 

This could have been written/said in nearly every one of the last 20 years.

 

It would be nice though if we were not put through the wringer every year, but it also wouldn't feel right if we were not

[NickG]

In my excitement I forgot to rate the players.....

Davis 8.5 - a couple of fantastic saves shone out in an otherwise steady day

James 8 - Defensively sound, rarely wasted the ball & put in some great crosses. Would anyone really prefer Jermaine back?

Skacel 8 - Looked really up for it today & rarely put a foot wrong

Perry 7.5 - Steady but unspectacular

Saeijs 9 - He just inspires confidence, doesn't he? Never looked like getting beaten

Gillett 8.5 - Growing into his role - the perfect foil for Surman, Lallana & McG

Surman 8.5 - Yet again the classiest player on the pitch. Central midfield is his best position

Lallana 7.5 - worked his socks off today. Not showy but a real effort for the team

McGoldrick 7.5 - more or less ditto to above. Has found his niche

Euell 8 - Not pretty but effective. Another one who has finally found his best position

Saganowski 7 - Not his best day, but worked hard and always looked like he might score

Schneiderlin 7 - Did okay without really catching the eye

BWP 7 - likewise

Liptak 7 - A handy fellow to bring on for the last five minutes

Wotte 10 - Stuck with a formation and team that seeemed to work. We do look narrow sometimes, but more importantly we look balanced and we look organised and we played some good football. Also, got his subs spot on again

 

 

all fair, I have been looking blankly at the MOM vote - too many to choose between rather than too few!

[SB]

Some interesting post regarding Liptak, could someone please explain..

[NickG]

Some interesting post regarding Liptak, could someone please explain..

 

not sure which post you are referring to?

 

But last two games he has brought him on, and he is big lad, to hold at back for last panic attacks - done it ok, ran out of defence with ball today and think surprised himself how far he got- just kept going until looked a bit confused!

[SB]

not sure which post you are referring to?

 

But last two games he has brought him on, and he is big lad, to hold at back for last panic attacks - done it ok, ran out of defence with ball today and think surprised himself how far he got- just kept going until looked a bit confused!

 

 

'Liptak - 5 - Probably not fair as he was only on for 5 mins, but he reminded me of bambi meets Ali Dia'

 

'Lipstick - n/a But I did laugh when he went on a bit of a Maradonna at the end. '

[yorkie]

Really important win today followed by another three points on Tiesday and win the game in hand puts a number of clubs right back in the mix.

 

How many points will it take to be safe this year?

 

Just goes to show how importnat the game at Forest will be on the last day. Three points at Blackpool wouold be nice too.

 

If only those in charge had listened to the fans about mixing youth with experience earlier.

 

The boycott continues - nothing has changes has it?

Lowe is still there...

 

Any spares for Ipswich on Tuesday???

[saintwarwick]

In my excitement I forgot to rate the players.....

Davis 8.5 - a couple of fantastic saves shone out in an otherwise steady day

James 8 - Defensively sound, rarely wasted the ball & put in some great crosses. Would anyone really prefer Jermaine back?

Skacel 8 - Looked really up for it today & rarely put a foot wrong

Perry 7.5 - Steady but unspectacular

Saeijs 9 - He just inspires confidence, doesn't he? Never looked like getting beaten

Gillett 8.5 - Growing into his role - the perfect foil for Surman, Lallana & McG

Surman 8.5 - Yet again the classiest player on the pitch. Central midfield is his best position

Lallana 7.5 - worked his socks off today. Not showy but a real effort for the team

McGoldrick 7.5 - more or less ditto to above. Has found his niche

Euell 8 - Not pretty but effective. Another one who has finally found his best position

Saganowski 7 - Not his best day, but worked hard and always looked like he might score

Schneiderlin 7 - Did okay without really catching the eye

BWP 7 - likewise

Liptak 7 - A handy fellow to bring on for the last five minutes

Wotte 10 - Stuck with a formation and team that seeemed to work. We do look narrow sometimes, but more importantly we look balanced and we look organised and we played some good football. Also, got his subs spot on again

 

Don't disagree with those marks. Davis controlled his box well and had two brilliant saves in the space of a minute, the second world class. Best goalie in the championship. James is getting better with each game but I think right midfielder will be his best position in the future. Size and Perry have formed a very good partnership at the back and both looked very solid with Size winning everything in the air and Perry tidying up very effectively. Skacel looked very good going forward and was geeing up the lads at the start of the second half. Gillett had an excellent game and seems suited to the holding role, just some of his passes seem to go wild. Thought Lallana and Surman worked well especially in the first half although Surman seemed to tire in the second half. McGoldrick worked very hard in his "new" position and wasn't afraid to chase every ball although he tired late on in the game due to his extra workrate required in this new position. Took the penalty well and was definately up for it. Saganowski had several chances today which on another day would of seen him on the score sheet. Euell whilst not pretty was also very effective and held the ball up well and managing to turn his marker on several occasions, had one cracking shot in the first half which went straight down the goalies throat, had it been to the left or right of the goalie he would not have seen it. Well done to Mark Wotte as well for keeping the same team as last week and getting them to play as a team with new found confidence. Finally, the fans were excellent again today and we seem to get noisier as the weeks go by, this is surely the twelth man on the pitch.

[1976_Child]

I am over the lunar object!

 

Superb battling spirit! Absolutely outstanding. Still work to be done on the finish in front of the goal and set pieces are still poor but otherwise what a result.

 

Kel man of the match this time, but well done to them all. And Mark Wotte deserves praise as well. I am warming to him. Especially the way he went on the pitch after full time and had a full team huddle. Great team work ethic.

 

Come on lads. Let's pull this off and stay in this league. 33 points still to play for...

[saintwarwick]

not sure which post you are referring to?

 

But last two games he has brought him on, and he is big lad, to hold at back for last panic attacks - done it ok, ran out of defence with ball today and think surprised himself how far he got- just kept going until looked a bit confused!

 

I think he was confused because all the other saints players were behind him when normally they would be in front of him.

[trousers]

 

The boycott continues - nothing has changes has it?

Lowe is still there...

 

 

Ironically perhaps, the biggest vote of no confidence towards Lowe now would be for us to attend the remaining games in our droves as it sends out the message that we prefer this back-to-basics football than the 'experiment' that it took him so long to admit defeat on.

[trousers]

And Mark Wotte deserves praise as well. I am warming to him. Especially the way he went on the pitch after full time and had a full team huddle. Great team work ethic.

 

 

[Charlie Wayman]

Oh Yes! Get in There! Oh Yes! Oh Yes!

[Charlie Wayman]

Forget the rest and focus on points, we need 45 we have 34, just 11 more. COYR, at least one win this week and then only 8.....

 

Can we do it? Oh Yes! We Can!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Forget the rest and focus on points, we need 45 we have 34, just 11 more. COYR, at least one win this week and then only 8.....

 

Can we do it? Oh Yes! We Can!

 

The way all the teams at the bottom are picking up points I reckon that 45 point total of yours may not be quite enough .

[harvey]

Well done Saints........good performance today =D>

[rooney]

Cardiff had 10 corners. A few months ago we could not defend set pieces but it is different now Size has come in. Well done lads, you all gave 100% once again.

[Pip]

As a matter of interest, I listened to the match on Radio Hants. They reported that Jason Euell came to the bench and asked them to watch David McG as he wasn't moving freely. They got Morgan ready to come on and then Lallana took a knock and was replaced by Morgan. Could be that McG didn't "run out of steam" or "have a lazy day" but picked up a knock himself.

[saintwarwick]

As a matter of interest, I listened to the match on Radio Hants. They reported that Jason Euell came to the bench and asked them to watch David McG as he wasn't moving freely. They got Morgan ready to come on and then Lallana took a knock and was replaced by Morgan. Could be that McG didn't "run out of steam" or "have a lazy day" but picked up a knock himself.

 

I think the role Mcgoldrick played meant he had to run around more and that is why he ran out of steam.

[SaintSparky]

Well done to the lads again, now lets take this belief to Ipswich and make it three in a row.

[L1Minus10]

Davis 9 - Solid display. the defence did a good job for him but he came up with the goods when needed. The save where he changed direction and got down to the point blank effort was brilliant. came off his line well and dominated crosses well.

 

James 8 - thought he had an excellent game. did anyone see the supposedly dangerous Quincy in the 2nd half ?

 

Skacel 7 - a bit aimless with some of his passing but solid at the back.

 

Perry 8 - The guy is a a really good solid defender at this level.

 

Saeijs 9 - He was 'the man' today. no frills, no ****ing about, get away from my ****ing goal. We've needed him since Killer got injured all those years ago. So nice to have a centre back who wins 95% of his headers cleanly.

 

Gillett 7 - Bit of mixed bag today, won the ball well but gave it away a fair bit. I still don't think he's fit enough. Seems to need little rests during games cos when he puts in a real lung busting run, he'll spend the next 5 minutes giving the ball away.

 

Lallana 7 - Gave his all today but still finding his fitness. Was knackered after an hour, same as last week. More of a threat this week.

 

McGoldrick 7 - Dsappeared for much of the 2nd half but it took bottle to take the pen and even though it wasn't great, it went in

 

Surman 7 - Good in 6 he 1st half, faded in the 2nd

 

Saganowski 7 - Not quite there today but still came closest to adding a 2nd.

 

Euell 9 - Superb again aside from the silly booking he picked up. Since Beattie we haven't had a forward who will be mobile, hold it up and intelligently lay it off.

 

Schneiderlin 7 - Did his bit when he came on and won some inportant headers.

BWP 3 - a 10 minute cameo perfectly illustrating that he has no brain

Liptak 6 - for the surging run out of defence at the end.

 

Wotte 9 - Talks the talk, walks the walk... I like him.

[Saint Bones]

 

Ha Ha - That pic shows at least he is passionate ! Made me smile.

 

Well its a great feeling to get two in a row - and at that ground where we play when we aren't away. (Shh don't mention its name)

 

results didnt help us and the boys need to take this new fighting spirit to Ipswich. Every game is a cup final for us now.

 

For now though - im goign to have a bloody good weekend - Thanks guys, Thanks Saints !

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Just found the result and from the comments on here it sounds like Saints finally provided a good day to be a Saints fan. Being a realist though, I'm not getting excited. Without a win at Ipswich the last two games will begin to look like too little too late. I still think as a long term strategy getting rid of Lowe is a fundamental. Or what? Stay up like last year and have another season like this one?

Edited 1 March, 2009 by Kingsbridge Saint

[Red and White Army]

We have half a chance of staying up but if only Lowe had sanctioned the use of Saga, Skacel and Jason instead of insisting JP pick the young 'uns then we would not be where we are today.

 

Come on DUNCAN. Can't you enjoy the victory without knocking Lowe in just one single post? You are just as bad as alpine_saint on this.

 

We might well be in administration if they had all played in the first half of the season? Did you consider that?

[Give it to Ron]

 

We might well be in administration if they had all played in the first half of the season? Did you consider that?

 

So we were that close to administration we employed 4 Dutchmen, can afford 2 coaches on gardening leave, 6 abysmal loans that cost agents and loan fees as well as wages..have you considered that?

Of course all that is far less than Saga's salary...or so some on here try to tell us.

[Arizona]

As a matter of interest, I listened to the match on Radio Hants. They reported that Jason Euell came to the bench and asked them to watch David McG as he wasn't moving freely. They got Morgan ready to come on and then Lallana took a knock and was replaced by Morgan. Could be that McG didn't "run out of steam" or "have a lazy day" but picked up a knock himself.

 

In the last 10 minutes or so before he came off, he seemed to stop running and played about 5 passes straight at the opposition. He may well have had a knock, but I think he was taken off anyway. He looked knackered.

[alpine_saint]

So we were that close to administration we employed 4 Dutchmen, can afford 2 coaches on gardening leave, 6 abysmal loans that cost agents and loan fees as well as wages..have you considered that?

Of course all that is far less than Saga's salary...or so some on here try to tell us.

 

Did you not know ?

 

You are not allowed to post anything critical about recent Saints history on this site following a win....

[Windmill Arm 2]

davis 9 - solid display. The defence did a good job for him but he came up with the goods when needed. The save where he changed direction and got down to the point blank effort was brilliant. Came off his line well and dominated crosses well.

 

James 8 - thought he had an excellent game. Did anyone see the supposedly dangerous quincy in the 2nd half ?

 

Skacel 7 - a bit aimless with some of his passing but solid at the back.

 

Perry 8 - the guy is a a really good solid defender at this level.

 

Saeijs 9 - he was 'the man' today. No frills, no ****ing about, get away from my ****ing goal. We've needed him since killer got injured all those years ago. So nice to have a centre back who wins 95% of his headers cleanly.

 

Gillett 7 - bit of mixed bag today, won the ball well but gave it away a fair bit. I still don't think he's fit enough. Seems to need little rests during games cos when he puts in a real lung busting run, he'll spend the next 5 minutes giving the ball away.

 

Lallana 7 - gave his all today but still finding his fitness. Was knackered after an hour, same as last week. More of a threat this week.

 

Mcgoldrick 7 - dsappeared for much of the 2nd half but it took bottle to take the pen and even though it wasn't great, it went in

 

surman 7 - good in 6 he 1st half, faded in the 2nd

 

saganowski 7 - not quite there today but still came closest to adding a 2nd.

 

Euell 9 - superb again aside from the silly booking he picked up. Since beattie we haven't had a forward who will be mobile, hold it up and intelligently lay it off.

 

Schneiderlin 7 - did his bit when he came on and won some inportant headers.

bwp 3 - a 10 minute cameo perfectly illustrating that he has no brain

liptak 6 - for the surging run out of defence at the end.

 

Wotte 9 - talks the talk, walks the walk... I like him.

 

 

lol!!!!!!

[um pahars]

In the last 10 minutes or so before he came off, he seemed to stop running and played about 5 passes straight at the opposition. He may well have had a knock, but I think he was taken off anyway. He looked knackered.

 

Something I posted in my post.

 

IMHO both he and Gillett hit the wall at about 75 mins. Didn't look like a knock (but could well be wrong) and you're right in that there was a patch when he passed to the opposition 4 or 5 times on the trot.

 

We was kept on a bit too long, but no harm done.

 

A question I would have is why these young lads run out of steam at this point??? I would have thought that these are close to their prime (being 23 & 21) and although they have still to develop fully, I would have thought stamina wouldn't be one of the problems.

 

Is it because this is their first season playing at this level and playing such a run of games and they're not used to it?

 

Was our training regime, particularly pre season, poor?

[Weston Saint]

Something I posted in my post.

 

IMHO both he and Gillett hit the wall at about 75 mins. Didn't look like a knock (but could well be wrong) and you're right in that there was a patch when he passed to the opposition 4 or 5 times on the trot.

 

We was kept on a bit too long, but no harm done.

 

A question I would have is why these young lads run out of steam at this point??? I would have thought that these are close to their prime (being 23 & 21) and although they have still to develop fully, I would have thought stamina wouldn't be one of the problems.

 

Is it because this is their first season playing at this level and playing such a run of games and they're not used to it?

 

Was our training regime, particularly pre season, poor?

A combination of first year at this level and poor fitness training. The concentration seems to be more on tactics and formation at present. But they are working much harder in the recent matches.

 

I said at half time the players that have come in this season need games and are beginning to show some ability at this level. Next season should see the team profit from this experience.

[Whitey Grandad]

Come on DUNCAN. Can't you enjoy the victory without knocking Lowe in just one single post? You are just as bad as alpine_saint on this.

 

We might well be in administration if they had all played in the first half of the season? Did you consider that?

We would have had bigger crowds if they had all played in the first half of the season.

[Cabrone]

Well done to the team, 3 vital points and some much needed hope.

 

Fair play to Wotte to who so far has done a great job.

 

Very early doors yet but keep up this form and hopefully we can still pull away.

 

If someone could just stop Rupert 'Ball and Chain' Lowe from conducting his mad experiments then who knows, we might even be able to be a half decent club.

[OldNick]

So we were that close to administration we employed 4 Dutchmen, can afford 2 coaches on gardening leave, 6 abysmal loans that cost agents and loan fees as well as wages..have you considered that?

Of course all that is far less than Saga's salary...or so some on here try to tell us.

 

It is fairly pointless trying to reason with people if they dont understand the basics of budgeting.We had to show the banks we were reacting to the situation.We may have had costs ourselves but we offloaded a lot of high paid players as well as getting higher loan fees than we paid out if any. Saga would not be here if we could have sold him, we dont know who we would have got in his place of course, who may have been better or worse.The point is that Wotte has acted and used his time sitting in the background to see what wew needed.Size was the first and then getting the older players into a more direct style

[derry]

Wotte said the only injury was Lallana's ankle, McGoldrick change was tactical.

[alpine_saint]

It is fairly pointless trying to reason with people if they dont understand the basics of budgeting.

 

What the f**k is that supposed to mean ? Are you denying all those examples Give It To Ron wrote ?? How did they slip in underneath Barclays's radar scope ???

 

Getting rid of all three of John, Rasiak and Saga whilst considering all the on-field and off-field personnel (mainly shiit) we brought in, is utterly indefensible.

[hypochondriac]

What the f**k is that supposed to mean ? Are you denying all those examples Give It To Ron wrote ?? How did they slip in underneath Barclays's radar scope ???

 

Getting rid of all three of John, Rasiak and Saga whilst considering all the on-field and off-field personnel (mainly shiit) we brought in, is utterly indefensible.

 

TBF he has a valid point.

[alpine_saint]

TBF he has a valid point.

 

I dont agree. Lowe took the fan base for granted, and assumed his ideas were right, as he always has.