Channon's Sideburns Posted 27 February, 2009 Posted 27 February, 2009 Waste of space, I'm afraid. What prospect is there for any agreement on anything reading the posters on here. Plus the minor detail that it would be powerless to do anything anyway. Yet another totally pointless talking shop for those that even less of a life than us sad muppets on here Nail...on...the...head. The only ones willing to take part won't come from this forum, they will be the die hards holding the Thermos' in the Chapel...or heads of supposed fans groups who only represent themselves. Mikey really is clueless - does this explain the misunderstanding over the sighting of Steve Morgan at St Marys though????
Mole Posted 27 February, 2009 Posted 27 February, 2009 Mikey really is clueless - does this explain the misunderstanding over the sighting of Steve Morgan at St Marys though???? Mike is a slippery operator, this latest gimic is classic Wilde. From day 1 he's tried to butter up "key" supporters. He was all for the fotb and proxying shares to the trust and he even took Keith Legg on a pre season tour of Sweden! I'm not at all surprised by his latest move.
SB. Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Wolves fan here. Interesting to read this thread, and also to see that word of our parliament has spread so far. The derision and gimmick comments are exactly what it was greeted with when the club first suggested it for us, but since it's been in operation then it really has helped, but I think to a large extent that's been as much down to how the club embraced it as much as the fans. To give you a bit of background, it was started in the summer of 2006 and at the time we were in a complete mess. Hoddle, probably the most hated manager we've ever had, had left the club with no one in charge, two weeks to go until the season kicked off. We'd sold our best three players (Miller, Lescott and Naylor) and had a first team squad with just 10 players with first team experience (and half of them teenagers). Season Ticket sales, which had been holding steady at the 21k mark had nearly halved down to 12k, with morale taking the same dive, all this when we had no money to spend and relegation was the byword. Sounds quite familiar for you guys I expect! Anyway, so with all of this the club come out with this idea of a parliament to get the fans closer, cue mocking on the message boards of the latest joke idea, but they went with it. Representatives were sought from most parts of the fan base, the supporters club, away supporters club, disabled groups, ethnic minority groups, London (and other area) groups, even from the more influential message boards, all to come together on a regular basis to discuss where the club can change policy for the better and to address concerns raised. The idea of the representatives was very much that of MP's in that they'd represent their part of the fanbase, with their details being published online so they could be contacted by fans affected by certain issues. Nearly 3 years on now and it has been a resounding success. We did do the usual 'forums' beforehand, but this has been a much more structured and organised model that has genuinely helped change things. Of course major issues like spending on players, or sack the manager, etc. haven't come from it, not that they were ever meant to (talking about form is banned from the discussions) but general things like the matchday experience of the fans, merchandise ranges, and various parts of club policy have been changed. I mentioned that its success has been largely down to how the club have embraced it, some of you may have heard of our CEO Jez Moxey, for years he was hated by fans. In the last match of 05-06 there were organised protests against him, his PR was shocking (he was quite literally writing programme notes on why the fans are to blame for the mess the club were in and that they deserved what they got!) but he's been as responsible as anyone for the change in attitude in opening a dialogue between the club and supporters. Things are generally a lot more harmonious now. At the same time, it's seen the club become a lot more open with the fans, discussing everything from the everyday workings to finances and most subjects in between. Ultimately it comes down to what you want out of it, but from a club in much the same mess as you are now, it's been a major part in helping turn us around to where we are today. That's not to say everything is rosey and perfect, of course we still moan about players, the manager, and most things, but it's been a genuine success and I think everyone, even the sceptics (of whom I was very much one) would tell you the same. You can find out some more information, including a full list of minutes from its inception on our official site http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/FansParliament/0,,10307~895999,00.html
Amesbury Saint Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 if its part of a package of positive announcements from the club over the next few weeks then its great idea. But in isolation its just PR spin. How about a committment to investment, reduced ST prices and a new Chairman.
Fan The Flames Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Wolves fan here. Interesting to read this thread...... Cheers for the input SB, its sounds familiar to here. If it help Wolves it could help us.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Wolves fan here. Interesting to read this thread.... Hello Mr Wilde - Saints fan here. Take your PR idea and stick it where the sun don't shine. When you start doing something positive about the 1st team results (because THAT's all that matters to most supporters) or perhaps invest some money into the club, then you'll find that all those nasty discontented supporters will stop taking a pop at you. Better still, sell the club and f*ck off forever. Bye. :roll:
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Wolves fan here. Interesting to read this thread, and also to see that word of our parliament has spread so far. The derision and gimmick comments are exactly what it was greeted with when the club first suggested it for us, but since it's been in operation then it really has helped, but I think to a large extent that's been as much down to how the club embraced it as much as the fans. To give you a bit of background, it was started in the summer of 2006 and at the time we were in a complete mess. Hoddle, probably the most hated manager we've ever had, had left the club with no one in charge, two weeks to go until the season kicked off. We'd sold our best three players (Miller, Lescott and Naylor) and had a first team squad with just 10 players with first team experience (and half of them teenagers). Season Ticket sales, which had been holding steady at the 21k mark had nearly halved down to 12k, with morale taking the same dive, all this when we had no money to spend and relegation was the byword. Sounds quite familiar for you guys I expect! Anyway, so with all of this the club come out with this idea of a parliament to get the fans closer, cue mocking on the message boards of the latest joke idea, but they went with it. Representatives were sought from most parts of the fan base, the supporters club, away supporters club, disabled groups, ethnic minority groups, London (and other area) groups, even from the more influential message boards, all to come together on a regular basis to discuss where the club can change policy for the better and to address concerns raised. The idea of the representatives was very much that of MP's in that they'd represent their part of the fanbase, with their details being published online so they could be contacted by fans affected by certain issues. Nearly 3 years on now and it has been a resounding success. We did do the usual 'forums' beforehand, but this has been a much more structured and organised model that has genuinely helped change things. Of course major issues like spending on players, or sack the manager, etc. haven't come from it, not that they were ever meant to (talking about form is banned from the discussions) but general things like the matchday experience of the fans, merchandise ranges, and various parts of club policy have been changed. I mentioned that its success has been largely down to how the club have embraced it, some of you may have heard of our CEO Jez Moxey, for years he was hated by fans. In the last match of 05-06 there were organised protests against him, his PR was shocking (he was quite literally writing programme notes on why the fans are to blame for the mess the club were in and that they deserved what they got!) but he's been as responsible as anyone for the change in attitude in opening a dialogue between the club and supporters. Things are generally a lot more harmonious now. At the same time, it's seen the club become a lot more open with the fans, discussing everything from the everyday workings to finances and most subjects in between. Ultimately it comes down to what you want out of it, but from a club in much the same mess as you are now, it's been a major part in helping turn us around to where we are today. That's not to say everything is rosey and perfect, of course we still moan about players, the manager, and most things, but it's been a genuine success and I think everyone, even the sceptics (of whom I was very much one) would tell you the same. You can find out some more information, including a full list of minutes from its inception on our official site http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/FansParliament/0,,10307~895999,00.html Thanks for that - an interesting read, the 2 clubs certainly have had a lot in common over recent years including a dislike for Hoddle and the fans being blamed for their club's demise.
trousers Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Hello Mr Wilde - Saints fan here. Take your PR idea and stick it where the sun don't shine. When you start doing something positive about the 1st team results (because THAT's all that matters to most supporters) or perhaps invest some money into the club, then you'll find that all those nasty discontented supporters will stop taking a pop at you. Better still, sell the club and f*ck off forever. Bye. :roll: ..
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Thanks for that - an interesting read, the 2 clubs certainly have had a lot in common over recent years including a dislike for Hoddle and the fans being blamed for their club's demise. Yes, I found the similarities alarming too...so many in fact that I would suggest its an unbridled PR exercise. I am sure the MODs can determine the veracity of the poster? :cool:
trousers Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Thanks for that - an interesting read, the 2 clubs certainly have had a lot in common over recent years including a dislike for Hoddle and the fans being blamed for their club's demise. And not forgetting the 'Hungarian Connection'....which of course we'll all know a lot more about once Torbay Saint's mate has emerged from SaintLee's attic (so to speak)
stthrobber Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Mike is a slippery operator, this latest gimic is classic Wilde. From day 1 he's tried to butter up "key" supporters. He was all for the fotb and proxying shares to the trust and he even took Keith Legg on a pre season tour of Sweden! I'm not at all surprised by his latest move. Well it may be a gimmick Tris, but whilst your points about buttering up key supporters has a ring of truth, it all stopped the day he actually became chairman of the club. In his favour though, one of the complaints that is common about the club's off field activities is the lack of communication between fans and the club. If what I have read on the Echo website is true, then the Parliament will have reps from various other groups than just official supporters clubs. If there are attempts made to get fans and the club talking again then imo it can only be a good thing. It's one thing to dismiss it as a PR stunt and another to actually take part and try to make a difference. If it turns out to be nothing more than a PR stunt then people have lost nothing but their time and they can walk away, but if it can make a difference, then surely fans must take the opportunity? I have my reservations but I do think it's a good idea
Rattlehead Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Stupid idea, especially given most fans are as thick as pigsh*t.
Mole Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 In his favour though, one of the complaints that is common about the club's off field activities is the lack of communication between fans and the club. Maybe if "Mike" had bothered turning up at the agn, had bothered to unveil Wotte and Svennson and had bothered writing his own programme notes i'd believe his sincerity.
Channon's Sideburns Posted 28 February, 2009 Posted 28 February, 2009 Stupid idea, especially given most fans are as thick as pigsh*t. Funnily enough though, that will be the sort of fan that Mikey's after!
The Rover Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Wolves fan here. Interesting to read this thread, and also to see that word of our parliament has spread so far. The derision and gimmick comments are exactly what it was greeted with when the club first suggested it for us, but since it's been in operation then it really has helped, but I think to a large extent that's been as much down to how the club embraced it as much as the fans. To give you a bit of background, it was started in the summer of 2006 and at the time we were in a complete mess. Hoddle, probably the most hated manager we've ever had, had left the club with no one in charge, two weeks to go until the season kicked off. We'd sold our best three players (Miller, Lescott and Naylor) and had a first team squad with just 10 players with first team experience (and half of them teenagers). Season Ticket sales, which had been holding steady at the 21k mark had nearly halved down to 12k, with morale taking the same dive, all this when we had no money to spend and relegation was the byword. Sounds quite familiar for you guys I expect! Anyway, so with all of this the club come out with this idea of a parliament to get the fans closer, cue mocking on the message boards of the latest joke idea, but they went with it. Representatives were sought from most parts of the fan base, the supporters club, away supporters club, disabled groups, ethnic minority groups, London (and other area) groups, even from the more influential message boards, all to come together on a regular basis to discuss where the club can change policy for the better and to address concerns raised. The idea of the representatives was very much that of MP's in that they'd represent their part of the fanbase, with their details being published online so they could be contacted by fans affected by certain issues. Nearly 3 years on now and it has been a resounding success. We did do the usual 'forums' beforehand, but this has been a much more structured and organised model that has genuinely helped change things. Of course major issues like spending on players, or sack the manager, etc. haven't come from it, not that they were ever meant to (talking about form is banned from the discussions) but general things like the matchday experience of the fans, merchandise ranges, and various parts of club policy have been changed. I mentioned that its success has been largely down to how the club have embraced it, some of you may have heard of our CEO Jez Moxey, for years he was hated by fans. In the last match of 05-06 there were organised protests against him, his PR was shocking (he was quite literally writing programme notes on why the fans are to blame for the mess the club were in and that they deserved what they got!) but he's been as responsible as anyone for the change in attitude in opening a dialogue between the club and supporters. Things are generally a lot more harmonious now. At the same time, it's seen the club become a lot more open with the fans, discussing everything from the everyday workings to finances and most subjects in between. Ultimately it comes down to what you want out of it, but from a club in much the same mess as you are now, it's been a major part in helping turn us around to where we are today. That's not to say everything is rosey and perfect, of course we still moan about players, the manager, and most things, but it's been a genuine success and I think everyone, even the sceptics (of whom I was very much one) would tell you the same. You can find out some more information, including a full list of minutes from its inception on our official site http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/FansParliament/0,,10307~895999,00.html So SB is a Wolves fan who registered on this site on December 2007 and has left it a full 14 months to make his first post. That's foresight for you. It looks like saint marc under another user name promoting his own ideas on here yet again.
trousers Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 So SB is a Wolves fan who registered on this site on December 2007 and has left it a full 14 months to make his first post. That's foresight for you. It looks like saint marc under another user name promoting his own ideas on here yet again. Wilde interview about this just gone up on BBC... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7918539.stm He uses the word "disarray" when comparing our current situation to Wolves 3 years ago...
Saint 76er Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Cheers for the input SB, its sounds familiar to here. If it help Wolves it could help us. Er... No!!! Wolves have a rich owner, not mega rich but he funds the club and their fans are probably not complaining at their league position and presumably are quite happy with him. If they want a love in to decide on a better class of pie on sale in the concourse or whatever that's their business, but we have bigger issues to resolve unfortunately. Quite simply we MUST have Lowe and Wilde out of our club period, not cozying up to them re pies etc. It is a complete insult to our collective intelligence that Wilde has conjured up this latest piece of PR spin to try and take the heat out of the growing unrest from disaffected fans. As another poster pointed out SB joined up in 2007 so his credentials as a real Wolves fan must be in serious doubt. In reality it sounds like a login a certain someone has been sitting on waiting for just such a moment as this.... in which case IMO it's all Sodden Bulls*it.
alki_in_korea Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Wolves fan here. Interesting to read this thread, and also to see that word of our parliament has spread so far. The derision and gimmick comments are exactly what it was greeted with when the club first suggested it for us, but since it's been in operation then it really has helped, but I think to a large extent that's been as much down to how the club embraced it as much as the fans. To give you a bit of background, it was started in the summer of 2006 and at the time we were in a complete mess. Hoddle, probably the most hated manager we've ever had, had left the club with no one in charge, two weeks to go until the season kicked off. We'd sold our best three players (Miller, Lescott and Naylor) and had a first team squad with just 10 players with first team experience (and half of them teenagers). Season Ticket sales, which had been holding steady at the 21k mark had nearly halved down to 12k, with morale taking the same dive, all this when we had no money to spend and relegation was the byword. Sounds quite familiar for you guys I expect! Anyway, so with all of this the club come out with this idea of a parliament to get the fans closer, cue mocking on the message boards of the latest joke idea, but they went with it. Representatives were sought from most parts of the fan base, the supporters club, away supporters club, disabled groups, ethnic minority groups, London (and other area) groups, even from the more influential message boards, all to come together on a regular basis to discuss where the club can change policy for the better and to address concerns raised. The idea of the representatives was very much that of MP's in that they'd represent their part of the fanbase, with their details being published online so they could be contacted by fans affected by certain issues. Nearly 3 years on now and it has been a resounding success. We did do the usual 'forums' beforehand, but this has been a much more structured and organised model that has genuinely helped change things. Of course major issues like spending on players, or sack the manager, etc. haven't come from it, not that they were ever meant to (talking about form is banned from the discussions) but general things like the matchday experience of the fans, merchandise ranges, and various parts of club policy have been changed. I mentioned that its success has been largely down to how the club have embraced it, some of you may have heard of our CEO Jez Moxey, for years he was hated by fans. In the last match of 05-06 there were organised protests against him, his PR was shocking (he was quite literally writing programme notes on why the fans are to blame for the mess the club were in and that they deserved what they got!) but he's been as responsible as anyone for the change in attitude in opening a dialogue between the club and supporters. Things are generally a lot more harmonious now. At the same time, it's seen the club become a lot more open with the fans, discussing everything from the everyday workings to finances and most subjects in between. Ultimately it comes down to what you want out of it, but from a club in much the same mess as you are now, it's been a major part in helping turn us around to where we are today. That's not to say everything is rosey and perfect, of course we still moan about players, the manager, and most things, but it's been a genuine success and I think everyone, even the sceptics (of whom I was very much one) would tell you the same. You can find out some more information, including a full list of minutes from its inception on our official site http://www.wolves.co.uk/page/FansParliament/0,,10307~895999,00.html Really good post but i fear our club is run by much bigger ****s than your club so might not be so affective. I really like the idea though
eelpie Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 We correctly criticise Lowe and Wilde for being out of touch with supporters, and are rightly sceptical of whether it would work, and see it as a cynical PR ploy. But it needs to happen imo if only to see the two amigos reacting to the likes of Alpine and Saint Robbie face to face. I would like to be there.
The Rover Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 We also criticised Wilde last time he came on here masquerading as a fan. Q1. Why would a genuine Wolves fan register on here over 12 months ago and not post until now? A. He wouldn't. Q2. Why would a Saints Director register a new name on here over 12 months ago and not use it until now? A. He's feeling unloved and needs attention. All IMHO of course.
eurosaint Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Fans parliaments/forums etc.. are all well and good as long as direct questions are asked and answered ! Ie. a) What happened to Hockaday & Webster ? b) Did we have valid financial reasons for not playing our experienced players earlier in the season or was it just bloodymindedness ? c) Why were our loan signings all young/unproven instead of experienced to give us better balance ? d) Why are pictures of trains more important than mementoes of our history ? If we get the PLC chairman reading a (probably the one and only) letter of congratulations about his wonderful achievements then please just forget it !!
St Landrew Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 If this had been proposed a few seasons back it would have been greeted with fanfares. Too little, too late. Find an investor/person to buy the club outright [and none from the present boardroom] and leave.
docker-p Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Fans parliament? My ARRSE. Any right to veto Lowes latest hair brained schemes? I doubt it. Just a talking shop for brown noses like Illingsworth. OF course I'll reserve judgement until I hear the details
Mole Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 We also criticised Wilde last time he came on here masquerading as a fan. Q1. Why would a genuine Wolves fan register on here over 12 months ago and not post until now? A. He wouldn't. Q2. Why would a Saints Director register a new name on here over 12 months ago and not use it until now? A. He's feeling unloved and needs attention. All IMHO of course. This does make sense and Scouse Mike has posted on here before in disguise.
StuRomseySaint Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Just so the Saints Trust don't think I have been just picking on them, I think it is a stupid idea. All you need is the club to employ a Customer Service representative. All that will happen with a 'Fans Parliament' is that any complaint you have will be fobbed off to your 'rep' who will pass on your complaint on your behalf. Basically a tool for the club to fob off anyone who has any beef with them so they don't have to deal with them directly.
Mole Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 I wonder what grandiose names the parliamentarians will be given.
Pat from Poole Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Stupid idea, especially given most fans are as thick as pigsh*t. Comedy. Enjoy Metallica tonight, by the way.
Fan The Flames Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Er... No!!! Wolves have a rich owner, not mega rich but he funds the club and their fans are probably not complaining at their league position and presumably are quite happy with him. If they want a love in to decide on a better class of pie on sale in the concourse or whatever that's their business, but we have bigger issues to resolve unfortunately. Quite simply we MUST have Lowe and Wilde out of our club period, not cozying up to them re pies etc. It is a complete insult to our collective intelligence that Wilde has conjured up this latest piece of PR spin to try and take the heat out of the growing unrest from disaffected fans. As another poster pointed out SB joined up in 2007 so his credentials as a real Wolves fan must be in serious doubt. In reality it sounds like a login a certain someone has been sitting on waiting for just such a moment as this.... in which case IMO it's all Sodden Bulls*it. Did you actually read his post. Anyway the club is broken, if we are stuck with L & W then things must be tried to improve the situation and a proper diologue between fans and the club is a good start.
docker-p Posted 2 March, 2009 Posted 2 March, 2009 Did you actually read his post. Anyway the club is broken, if we are stuck with L & W then things must be tried to improve the situation and a proper diologue between fans and the club is a good start. A proper fist fight between the fans and the board would be better.:smt062
LostBoys Posted 3 March, 2009 Posted 3 March, 2009 This is just a PR ploy to try and head off more of the protests. I thought what they might do is invite one of the Saints Trust numpties (or their self styled publicist and self proclaimed supporter's representative every time the cameras are around) onto the board and claim they had a say in the running of the club on behalf of the fans. I thought that was why the ST had kept quiet until their ludicrous statement last week.
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 3 March, 2009 Posted 3 March, 2009 What utter nonsense. The club have made not talking to the fans and not listening to the fans into an art form these last few years. Surely you'd have to get such basics right before you explore such a complicated idea as a fan's parliament? It's like suggesting you build a library for someone who has yet to learn to read and who, in fact, has only shown an interest in burning books, not reading them. Perhaps, in the spirit of building a bedrock of trust on which they can build a fan's parliament, the club can actually spend the rest of this season, and the next, re-learning how to talk to their fanbase and listen to their fanbase. Once they show that they can manage that, I'm sure we will all be more open to this kind of idea. Right now it just looks like another of Michael Wilde's ploys to short-cut his way into our good books. He seems to find it far easier to talk the talk than walk the walk, as anyone still waiting for him to stump up 2 million for the coffers knows only too well.
Gingeletiss Posted 3 March, 2009 Posted 3 March, 2009 What utter nonsense. The club have made not talking to the fans and not listening to the fans into an art form these last few years. Surely you'd have to get such basics right before you explore such a complicated idea as a fan's parliament? It's like suggesting you build a library for someone who has yet to learn to read and who, in fact, has only shown an interest in burning books, not reading them. Perhaps, in the spirit of building a bedrock of trust on which they can build a fan's parliament, the club can actually spend the rest of this season, and the next, re-learning how to talk to their fanbase and listen to their fanbase. Once they show that they can manage that, I'm sure we will all be more open to this kind of idea. Right now it just looks like another of Michael Wilde's ploys to short-cut his way into our good books. He seems to find it far easier to talk the talk than walk the walk, as anyone still waiting for him to stump up 2 million for the coffers knows only too well. Great post...............Well said.
SP Saint Posted 3 March, 2009 Posted 3 March, 2009 What utter nonsense. The club have made not talking to the fans and not listening to the fans into an art form these last few years. Surely you'd have to get such basics right before you explore such a complicated idea as a fan's parliament? It's like suggesting you build a library for someone who has yet to learn to read and who, in fact, has only shown an interest in burning books, not reading them. Perhaps, in the spirit of building a bedrock of trust on which they can build a fan's parliament, the club can actually spend the rest of this season, and the next, re-learning how to talk to their fanbase and listen to their fanbase. Once they show that they can manage that, I'm sure we will all be more open to this kind of idea. Right now it just looks like another of Michael Wilde's ploys to short-cut his way into our good books. He seems to find it far easier to talk the talk than walk the walk, as anyone still waiting for him to stump up 2 million for the coffers knows only too well. Absolutely, Scouse Mike (or does he prefer to be called SB nowadays?) is just a spin merchant, nothing more nothing less. His broken promises have put this club on it's knees. It's just a pity he didn't stay supporting Liverpool.
VectisSaint Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 Evidently Illingsworth has decided that he speaks for us all and that the Parliament is not necessary as the Trust is already in place. I don't think the Parliament is necessary, but the Trust is hardly worthwhile either. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/default.stm
JustMike Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 I think the parliament would be a great idea, a chance for fans to have a proper conversation with saints etc etc. Its got to be better than what we have now which is nothing. And as for the trust saying its unnecessary... according to the bbc "The Trust has 838 members" Hardly a majority is it. And then Nick says.. "All the foundations are in place already with the Trust. We're able to address issues with the club." mmm yes, clear evidence of this already isnt there ;-)
SW11_Saint Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 (edited) Nice idea, but which parliament do people think it should be modeled on? All of the above I suspect. Actually, these resemble some of our recent AGM's and/or board meetings... PS that second South Korea pic puts me in mind of a Madness album cover, but can't remember which one... Edited 5 March, 2009 by SW11_Saint
aintforever Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 I see the Saints Trust have already rejected the idea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7926406.stm Has anyone actually been asked by the Trust for their opinion?
trousers Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 Saints Trust rejects 'fans' idea A spokesperson for the Southampton Supporters Trust says a proposed 'Fans Parliament' is unnecessary. Nick Illingsworth was responding to Saints chairman Michael Wilde's idea for a new form of dialogue between the club and its supporters. But Illingsworth told BBC Radio Solent: "All the foundations are in place already with the Trust. We're able to address issues with the club." The Trust has 838 members and has 20,000 shares in the PLC.
stthrobber Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 I see the Saints Trust have already rejected the idea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/southampton/7926406.stm Has anyone actually been asked by the Trust for their opinion? I think the club would be foolish not to involve as many fans as possible if this idea goes ahead. When Wilde took over he jumped into bed with the Trust and it caused a lot of resentment and many fans have now distanced themselves from the Trust. I think this is just Nick Illingsworth empire building tbh.
trousers Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 All of the above I suspect. Actually, these resemble some of our recent AGM's and/or board meetings... PS that second South Korea pic puts me in mind of a Madness album cover, but can't remember which one... Lord Marland of Odstock would know....shame he doesn't post on here though......
Secret Site Agent Posted 5 March, 2009 Posted 5 March, 2009 I think we should have a fans parliament in the Saints Trust. Then you would see democracy in action rather the voice of the minority being the voice of the majority.
Mole Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 I think we should have a fans parliament in the Saints Trust. Then you would see democracy in action rather the voice of the minority being the voice of the majority. The Saints Trust under it's current leader is not democratic.
Master Bates Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 But Illingsworth told BBC Radio Solent: "All the foundations are in place already with the Trust. We're able to address issues with the club." The Trust has 838 members and has 20,000 shares in the PLC. Of course.
Toomer Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 Nick we have know each other for a number of years and I don't want to fall out with you but IMO and great number of other people The Trust has lost a lot of credibility of late. If you want to get it back on track and gage the feelings of the fan base call a meeting of members and potential members to see if things can be taken forward.
Secret Site Agent Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 The Saints Trust under it's current leader is not democratic. I think that is what I said.
stthrobber Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 Nick we have know each other for a number of years and I don't want to fall out with you but IMO and great number of other people The Trust has lost a lot of credibility of late. If you want to get it back on track and gage the feelings of the fan base call a meeting of members and potential members to see if things can be taken forward. I don't know if Brian Bennett is still involved with the Trust, but he struck me as a decent guy and probably a better choice to lead than Nick. I have no problems with Nick, but in everything I have read from them of late it seems that they are trying to get themselves in a position of influence over other fans and fans groups, ie the recent statement urging the club to offer an olive branch to Leon Crouch, then slipping in "a representative of the Saints Trust" when mentioning their suggestions for the board of the football club. The rejection of the Fan's Parliament in favour of the Trust just invokes my cynicism tbh
OldNick Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 If the Trust was there to give suggestions of how we wish for say the stewards to act or how to get the beer served quicker then fine, but if it is to tell the club that Saga should play every game or Size should be dropped etc then it is not for me.(not that Im advocating either of these things should or should not be the case)
SaintDonkey Posted 6 March, 2009 Posted 6 March, 2009 I liked the idea of the Saints Trust - and was a paid up member (I wonder whether they still count me as one of the 838?). However it felt undemocratic for those living outside of Southampton - holding meetings on weekday evenings means only those living locally have a say - and so my membership lapsed. Now the Saints Trust come out and rubbish a proposal from the club that could potentially be more inclusive for fans outside of Hampshire? Sorry that's the last straw for the Saints Trust goes as far as I'm concerned. It may be a PR exercise but for god's sake the Trust should be embracing it not rejecting it. Yes it's not the seat on the board that Illingsworth is demanding but it's a damned site better than nothing. The Saints Trust need to climb down off their high horse and try and work with the club. Now is not the time for petty posturing.
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