Have You Lost/Losing Interest In This Forum?

[alpine_saint]

I'm loosing huge interest in this site. There seems to be so many posters on here who just want to discuss who was the Saints best inside right of all time, or their ten best card games to play on the Travel Club coach; while happily ignoring that we are a our lowest ebb for 50 years and about to go bust.

But lets not talk about the chairmen eh?

 

I agree - jesus, this is the club's very survival we are talking about. What is more important about SFC than that ?

 

There have been so many posts on here recently along the lines of "Don't give a shiit how we play, the 3 points are what counts", then we get lecturing about this site not being enough about the football nowadays.

 

What contradictory nonsense..

[sidthesquid]

I've only been on for a year or so - was it not always like this? Was there a time when Alpine saint was positively chipper and Stanley engaged in reasoned discussion, when every other thread wasn't a repeat of its board-bashing predecessor or another rumour started by some bloke who's cousin met some bloke in the chippy who once met someone? I feel cheated, like my poor young son who only got a season ticket after the cup final......

[St Marco]

 

There have been so many posts on here recently along the lines of "Don't give a shiit how we play, the 3 points are what counts", then we get lecturing about this site not being enough about the football nowadays.

 

What contradictory nonsense..

 

But it is not about getting a win, the threads are not about football most of the time they are just people having pops at each other. That is what is putting people off this forum. People don't want to re-read the same things over and over again. Don't want to read xyz having a personal go at xyz time and time again.

 

By all means discuss the club, discuss the football. But that doesn't mean people have to do that with the sheer level of rude agressivness that they do. If someone does not agree with someones view they don't need to insult them because of it. That is what is happening.

[docker-p]

But it is not about getting a win, the threads are not about football most of the time they are just people having pops at each other. That is what is putting people off this forum. People don't want to re-read the same things over and over again. Don't want to read xyz having a personal go at xyz time and time again.

 

By all means discuss the club, discuss the football. But that doesn't mean people have to do that with the sheer level of rude agressivness that they do. If someone does not agree with someones view they don't need to insult them because of it. That is what is happening.

 

Passions are running high at the moment. And there may well not be a football club for this forum to talk about soon if people don't get their heads out of their arses and collectively do something. Apologies if this upsets your friendly on-line banter.

[The Majestic Channon]

I'm loosing huge interest in this site. There seems to be so many posters on here who just want to discuss who was the Saints best inside right of all time, or their ten best card games to play on the Travel Club coach; while happily ignoring that we are a our lowest ebb for 50 years and about to go bust.

But lets not talk about the chairmen eh?

 

Oh right because lowe and our plight is never mentioned on here is it

 

Have you been on the moon?

[St Marco]

Passions are running high at the moment. And there may well not be a football club for this forum to talk about soon if people don't get their heads out of their arses and collectively do something. Apologies if this upsets your friendly on-line banter.

 

Hey i'm at the matches, at the marches, people know my views about the board and the way the club has been run. But i won't insult someone because they share the opposite view. Passion and being a **** are two totally different things.

[Plumstead_Saint]

In answer to the OP - yes.

Shame really and I think it's a reflection of the state of SFC.

It's only the match day threads [for those of us who aren't there], ITK info and "just back from the game" threads that are worth reading now IMO.

[saintwarwick]

Passions are running high at the moment. And there may well not be a football club for this forum to talk about soon if people don't get their heads out of their arses and collectively do something. Apologies if this upsets your friendly on-line banter.

 

We may or may not go into administration but their will always be a football club here to talk about.

[Secret Site Agent]

Firstly this is in no way shape or form based on those who run the website. Think we all appreciate the hard work that goes into keeping the website up and running. Without them we would not have a place to share our views.

 

I was just curious to know if people are a bit fed up with the way the forum has gone? In the sense most threads end up turning into a tit for tat name calling exercise rather then actually anything Saints related.

 

Most threads seem to be dominated by 3 or 4 posters who say the same things over and over, while a lot of the old posters who i feel are respected by the community have vanished. or simply stopped posting.

 

So whats going on where have you all got too? Should people be getting banned like the old days to discourage the behaviour? Or is it connected to the feelings of where the club is at right now, have you simply lost interested in the whole club?

 

I'm not losing interest in this forum. It's just I got a very short attention spanners are great aren't they.

 

Sorry, what did you say.

Edited 26 February, 2009 by Secret Site Agent

[WealdSaint]

I think that the lack of ITK has made the forums dull. Remeber when we all logged in for the next episode? ;-)

 

At the moment its all just scrapping over will we go into Admin? (No I don't think so)

Will Rupert Lowe be driven out ? (I wish, but doubt it, and would worry who might take his place)

Do Wotte & the players deserve our support (yes definately!, they are are team FFS)

[docker-p]

Hey i'm at the matches, at the marches, people know my views about the board and the way the club has been run. But i won't insult someone because they share the opposite view. Passion and being a **** are two totally different things.

How ironic. You appear to be doing what you're accusing everyone else of doing.

[Fan The Flames]

It does make me laugh people moaning about there not being enough football threads when you can just start one.

[Saintandy666]

It does make me laugh people moaning about there not being enough football threads when you can just start one.

 

At a cost...

 

I personally think keeping the 3 post limit, but allowing non-members to start a thread would improve this forum muchly.

[St Marco]

How ironic. You appear to be doing what you're accusing everyone else of doing.

 

I wasen't saying you were a **** i was saying people who act like a **** to others doesn't mean they are passionate and mean their behaviour is excusable. I have not intended to insult you so sorry if you feel i have.

[EFM]

I think it could still be good if I left.

[Secret Site Agent]

Ah, ****** to it. I wasn't going to get too involved in this one, that is why I tried to lighten the mood, but I just can't, so I'll put my two eggs in.

 

Question: How far do you go? I mean how far do you take the whole Love Lowe/Hate Lowe thing? We complain, we moan, we defend our position. We write to show our disgust, we march. We get behind the team; we don’t get behind the team. We keep going, we stop going. Now we’re arguing over whom the best fans are the ‘real’ fans. Those who go are the best? After all if you loved your team you would go.

 

But you can’t. Your not local/available/can’t afford it/have something better to do/don’t want to go.

 

So how far?

 

When I was young, before I built stuff, I served my country by building stuff and I also blew stuff up. I wore a saint’s shirt into battle for a laugh and remember sweating my nuts off. Felt a bit silly afterwards, got into trouble for it, and I only did it to take my mind off the fact I was ****ting a brick. But I always remember thinking that it was strange what people did for a piece of cloth, whether it was a football shirt or a flag. Gave me a different perspective and years later it answered a few questions for me. So let me put it in perspective for you.

 

Are you healthy?

Is your misses ok?

Kids alright?

Have you enough to eat?

Are you warm?

 

There. Now, answer this question.

 

Do you still get joy from this forum?

If the answer is no, then stop coming on here.

If the answer is yes, then well done. You can keep coming. But be warned. Not everyone will agree with you. Not everyone has the same sense as you, some have more, some will have less. People will tell you they are right and will not be able to prove it beyond the statement, ‘Because I say so!’ Some people will trivialise your statement or what you believe in, I can guarantee that I will at some stage. Some will agree with you. Some people are smarter than you, whilst some are just plain dumb, and it’s worrying that they are having children.

Generally, I come here for the comradeship, because I have two things in common with you lot, (I support Southampton and I don’t like Pompey). I enjoy all the debates. I enjoy the different opinions. I enjoy starting threads and having people debate the subject with cogent, well thought out arguments.

What, no football threads? Then I’ll start one.

What, a new thread about Lowe/Wilde/Admin? Anything new? No? F-it, I’ll look at something else.

This Forum has made me laugh, angry, confused, depressed, uptight and sad for my fellow man.

It has fixed my computer, (three times) given me advice, given me sympathy, helped me choose a car, guided which film I went to see and tried to help me get another job. I have given it advice on many topics and help out my fellow man. I think it even helped me realise that I missed my true calling in life.

 

What, me, losing interest in this site? Not with you lot on it, I wont.

 

 

Could do with a bit more humour though.

[Boris Karloff]

At a cost...

 

I personally think keeping the 3 post limit, but allowing non-members to start a thread would improve this forum muchly.

 

But that's the whole point. Football threads soon descend into Lowe Out threads. I would be happy if there were threads about what's happening on the pitch and threads about what's happening off the pitch. It's just every single thread descends into Lowe Out. Great, Lowe Out, I agree, but let's not have it in every single post.

[Boris Karloff]

Do you still get joy from this forum?

If the answer is no, then stop coming on here.

 

It's too simple to say that. This forum used to be so much better than it is now; it used inclusive, not exclusive. It used to be light-hearted at times, it used to be thought-provoking, but now it is losing all that. Soon all you'll be left with is the bitter minority.

[Amesbury Saint]

I think that the lack of ITK has made the forums dull. Remeber when we all logged in for the next episode? ;-)

 

At the moment its all just scrapping over will we go into Admin? (No I don't think so)

Will Rupert Lowe be driven out ? (I wish, but doubt it, and would worry who might take his place)

Do Wotte & the players deserve our support (yes definately!, they are are team FFS)

 

I looked forward to ITK threads. LLS, Tommac, St D and St L etc all made it a more enjoyable place. Ok they got it wrong most of the time but it was worth reading.

 

Even Morph with his IMHO has disappeared.

 

And what about the bloke who signed his COYR. Seemed a nice bloke a couple of years back spending £2m getting Lowe out. Shame he disappeared!!!!¬

[saint lard]

It's all abit meh now.

[Mole]

It'll get better in the close season.

[offix]

It's all getting very polarized, and more than a little monotonous, but that's the result of the situation we find ourselves in. The stakes are high and anxiety levels have risen.

But this is still a great site for "taking the pulse" of everyone, and I would not want to do without it.

[Red and White Army]

So whats going on where have you all got too? Should people be getting banned like the old days to discourage the behaviour? Or is it connected to the feelings of where the club is at right now, have you simply lost interested in the whole club?

 

My passion for Saints is undiminished, but I have all but given up reading here. Seeing alpine, Stanley and dumb pahars and duncan wreck every thread with anti-board vitriol time and time and time and time and time again is futile.

[Saint Bones]

Ahh things are not the best on the park, at the banks and pretty much everywhere globally. I guess people are alreadya little wound up and sometime it shows in posts.

 

Hopefully when the football improves, so will the chat and we can all argue about who we should be signing with our 20 mill kity and not discussing things like administration.

[alpine_saint]

My passion for Saints is undiminished, but I have all but given up reading here. Seeing alpine, Stanley and dumb pahars and duncan wreck every thread with anti-board vitriol time and time and time and time and time again is futile.

 

Bye !

[graymalkin33]

Yep, this forum is much more boring now because football is very rarely discussed and the vast majority of threads are about the board and the overall positions of every poster on hasn't changed for the last 6 months, so everything is a bit repetitive. Everyone is entitiled to their opinion, but there are a few domineering, abusive posters whose opinions are so negative on just about every aspect of the club that the board is not as enjoyable as it was.

 

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Red and White Army]

Bye !

 

You're leaving? Thank God for that. The forum can rejoice.

[rallyboy]

I only joined recently, mainly to let off steam about how crap 'Saints World' is with like-minded people.

There is no point in telling a Chelsea/Aberdeen/Weymouth fan that life is crap, they have their own worries, so coming on here seemed a good outlet for frustration and annoyance.

It is, but sadly the club is in such a state that there are far too many ill-informed threads about shares, admin and the board, would be nice to have some more football threads.

I want serious change, but I am getting fed up reading crap threads about it, especially when it is 'I know a bloke who has a mate itk who heard from blah blah....'

 

Facts and football would be great.

[alpine_saint]

You're leaving? Thank God for that. The forum can rejoice.

 

Hillarious.

[channonwindmill]

Ah, ****** to it. I wasn't going to get too involved in this one, that is why I tried to lighten the mood, but I just can't, so I'll put my two eggs in.

 

Question: How far do you go? I mean how far do you take the whole Love Lowe/Hate Lowe thing? We complain, we moan, we defend our position. We write to show our disgust, we march. We get behind the team; we don’t get behind the team. We keep going, we stop going. Now we’re arguing over whom the best fans are the ‘real’ fans. Those who go are the best? After all if you loved your team you would go.

 

But you can’t. Your not local/available/can’t afford it/have something better to do/don’t want to go.

 

So how far?

 

When I was young, before I built stuff, I served my country by building stuff and I also blew stuff up. I wore a saint’s shirt into battle for a laugh and remember sweating my nuts off. Felt a bit silly afterwards, got into trouble for it, and I only did it to take my mind off the fact I was ****ting a brick. But I always remember thinking that it was strange what people did for a piece of cloth, whether it was a football shirt or a flag. Gave me a different perspective and years later it answered a few questions for me. So let me put it in perspective for you.

 

Are you healthy?

Is your misses ok?

Kids alright?

Have you enough to eat?

Are you warm?

 

There. Now, answer this question.

 

Do you still get joy from this forum?

If the answer is no, then stop coming on here.

If the answer is yes, then well done. You can keep coming. But be warned. Not everyone will agree with you. Not everyone has the same sense as you, some have more, some will have less. People will tell you they are right and will not be able to prove it beyond the statement, ‘Because I say so!’ Some people will trivialise your statement or what you believe in, I can guarantee that I will at some stage. Some will agree with you. Some people are smarter than you, whilst some are just plain dumb, and it’s worrying that they are having children.

Generally, I come here for the comradeship, because I have two things in common with you lot, (I support Southampton and I don’t like Pompey). I enjoy all the debates. I enjoy the different opinions. I enjoy starting threads and having people debate the subject with cogent, well thought out arguments.

What, no football threads? Then I’ll start one.

What, a new thread about Lowe/Wilde/Admin? Anything new? No? F-it, I’ll look at something else.

This Forum has made me laugh, angry, confused, depressed, uptight and sad for my fellow man.

It has fixed my computer, (three times) given me advice, given me sympathy, helped me choose a car, guided which film I went to see and tried to help me get another job. I have given it advice on many topics and help out my fellow man. I think it even helped me realise that I missed my true calling in life.

 

What, me, losing interest in this site? Not with you lot on it, I wont.

 

 

Could do with a bit more humour though.

 

Truly great post. Voice of reason in an ocean of ****.

 

 

 

 

 

(I didn't actually type a swear word, I just typed four stars. Make up your own profanity to suit.)

[saintwarwick]

Hillarious.

 

Something you are not

[ozzmeister]

Yes this forum is getting very tedious, especially when non Lowe threads still manage to become then!!

 

I still stand by my suggestion of the mods creating a rempo Lowe/board chat room, least then all the pro/abti Lowe can be kept in one place and people who wanna just talk about fball can do and not have to sift through a load of **** to do so!

[alpine_saint]

Something you are not

 

Whereas you are just a troll.

[saintwarwick]

Whereas you are just a troll.

 

This from the master

[Channon's Sideburns]

Am I losing interest in the Forum? No

 

Should I be losing interest in the Forum? Probably

 

Why? Because whatever anyone's views are on here (pro-board or against board) we all do the same things...look to counter others views.

 

The only problem I have are with people who try to stifle debate just because.....

 

Just because they like having a go.

 

In response to those posters I always try to show good humour and respect their views but lately there are some on here intent on causing disharmony..

 

Perhaps I will start threads based on 'My wasn't the Tea good on Saturday' to please the masses....

 

Then again, maybe not.

[Saint Fan CaM]

It's all getting very polarized, and more than a little monotonous, but that's the result of the situation we find ourselves in. The stakes are high and anxiety levels have risen.

But this is still a great site for "taking the pulse" of everyone, and I would not want to do without it.

 

I think Offix has summarised the position well. Also, as someone who goes to games on his lonesome, this place for the better part gives me an opportunity to discuss the club and its football. The only small gripe I might have is the little 'clicks' that seem to persist on here - you can find yourself basically ignored, usually by certain posters having more to say about each other than the football. I have tried to cut-back a bit on my visits here to not much avail recently just to claw-back a bit of time, but still enjoy the banter f'sure.

[alpine_saint]

This from the master

 

Au contraire. You are determined to have the last word, which just goes to show the sort of troll you are.

 

Well, go ahead, fill yer boots. the last word is yours...

[St_Tel49]

The site is great.

 

I think Eurosaint is right. The same arguments keep occurring because whilst we are in this mess people views will not be easily changed, for every anti Lowe poster there's a poster typing the same old positive lies about Rupes, for every entrenched anti Lowe there is an entrenched Lowe luvvie.

 

Posts come along like the car one today that lighten the mood, so maybe those fed up could start a few more threads like this.

 

Only when we are out of this mess will people compromise their views.

Along comes the first one to drag the thread down.

[saintwarwick]

My passion for Saints is undiminished, but I have all but given up reading here. Seeing alpine, Stanley and dumb pahars and duncan wreck every thread with anti-board vitriol time and time and time and time and time again is futile.

 

Bye !

 

Au contraire. You are determined to have the last word, which just goes to show the sort of troll you are.

 

Well, go ahead, fill yer boots. the last word is yours...

 

As a troll I thought you did that already when you said Bye ! At least that fan has a passion for saints

[Toadhall Saint]

Here we go again!

[The Majestic Channon]

Here we go again!

Exactly, hard to believe grown men spend so much time on this forum bickering like school kids.

[ghq]

I'm really very pleased that the takeover threads rated a mention on here. Having ploughed through this thread, I was longing more and more to the days when I awoke and dived for the laptop to read the latest on the moving and shaking ,(alledgedly), going on as Mr Allen and Co move ever nearer to owning the Saints. Alas, it wasn't to be,but For the most part it was gripping stuff. Even when Allen was history, I enjoyed the humour,mostly unconcious humour, that abounded when ITK Lifelong Saint hit his straps. To this day I can't work out his motives. Help me Rhonda, well if she'd been the genuine article I'd have left my wife to seek her out. Halcyon days for the site unfortunately ne'er to be repeated. Having said all that, I'm still logging on to hear how my team is doing and people's views on all manner of things Saints. Here's hoping for better days. Keep going Saint's fans and Saints Forever.

[Alanh]

name names! ;-)

 

I would have thought that was fairly obvious - Alpine and Stanley. Everyone is entitled to their views but it gets really tedious when they dominate posts thanks to their domineering, repetitive, negative, one dimensional and occasionally abusivecomments.

 

Post which they don't contribute to and which are about football rather than politics are generally much more interesting to read. All just my opinion of course and not 'Fact'.

[Legod Third Coming]

It's becoming a place full of ******s with axes to grind - football has started to come second to politics.

 

A 100% statement about the football club full stop.

[Legod Third Coming]

For my money, the angst and stress reflected in this site is simply a mood that is gripping the nation right now.

 

Thanks to our feckless leaders and their inability to organise a proverbial in a proverbial, everyone is looking for some good news.

 

In days gone said news might have been available through the outlet known as football, but when the one thing you hope might lift you drags you down, then what??

 

I agree with SSA.

 

There are some days I'm too tired to look here and too busy.

 

But when, on a Friday, I convince myself I have an hour or two to waste, it's this, the BBC sports site and the Pravda (previously known as our club site) that I end up flicking around, well that and http://www.findmeanewchairman.com... anyway

 

And 9 times out of 10 there's at least something that makes it worthwhile to have a read.

 

If you don't like what some posters say, ignore 'em or tell 'em.

[Halo Stickman]

Perhaps I'm in a good position to comment on this thread.

 

I’ve been visiting this site, and its predecessors, since the days back in the early 2000s when it had a red board and only about a dozen regular posters. These days, as you can see from my post count, I only visit infrequently and rarely post. But in a former life, when I was SainTed Antti, I was quite a regular contributor who enjoyed the banter, laughter and exchange of views on this forum.

 

Sadly, some time around 3 or 4 years ago, I began to lose my passion for the club; a passion that I’d had since the mid-60s. This was mainly to do with what was happening off the field at SFC, but also with events happening on a much wider scale within football. A big turning point for me was when we played Man Utd in the quarter-finals of the FA Cup in our relegation season; to my eyes at least, we didn’t even bother to compete on the pitch in that match. Yes, just like the Aston Villa fans that paid to travel all the way to Russia to watch their reserve team get beat last night, we all know the reasons! But to my mind it stunk, and I found myself asking, what was the point any more?

 

So, like I say, I got ****ed off with the way things were going at SFC and within the game in general. But I also started to wonder whether my disillusionment was also being fueled by witnessing the increasing levels of hostility between fellow Saints fans on here. And, I wasn’t immune to this hostility myself; there were times when I would read something on here and think, ‘I can’t believe I support the same club as that idiot’. Yes, I know that doesn’t show a very tolerant attitude towards other people’s views, but that’s the way it was. So, I decided to spend less time on here to see if it lessened my disillusionment with the club.

 

And the outcome of spending less time on here? Well, I’m more disillusioned with SFC than ever, but I do get a lot more work done.

[St_Tel49]

Am I losing interest in the Forum? No

 

Should I be losing interest in the Forum? Probably

 

Why? Because whatever anyone's views are on here (pro-board or against board) we all do the same things...look to counter others views.

 

The only problem I have are with people who try to stifle debate just because.....

 

Just because they like having a go.

 

In response to those posters I always try to show good humour and respect their views but lately there are some on here intent on causing disharmony..

 

Perhaps I will start threads based on 'My wasn't the Tea good on Saturday' to please the masses....

 

Then again, maybe not.

Nah - tea's always c**p on Saturday -and expensive ;-)

[alpine_saint]

I would have thought that was fairly obvious - Alpine and Stanley. Everyone is entitled to their views but it gets really tedious when they dominate posts thanks to their domineering, repetitive, negative, one dimensional and occasionally abusivecomments.

 

 

See, now I could write exactly the same thing about the likes of NickG, nickh and SOG, but replace a few of your adjectives such as "negative" with "happy clappy" and "repetitive" with "banal".

 

Everybody's perception of who the main perpetrators are is shaped by their own underlying viewpoint.

 

When I first posted on this thread, it was in generic terms - agreeing there is an issue, and conceeding both sides are equally bad and responsible. My hope was that maybe we should all reflect on our own particular contributions to the decline in the site.

 

But lo-and-behold, certain people start pointing the finger at the likes of me.

 

My thoughts changed to "well f**k you, why should I care if you dont ?"

[O_RLY]

It all seems too serious for me at the moment, in the olden days it used to be a lot more fun but so much more infighting goes on now, just like the club really,

 

Nail on the head.

[JohnnyFartPants]

See, now I could write exactly the same thing about the likes of NickG, nickh and SOG, but replace a few of your adjectives such as "negative" with "happy clappy" and "repetitive" with "banal".

 

Everybody's perception of who the main perpetrators are is shaped by their own underlying viewpoint.

 

When I first posted on this thread, it was in generic terms - agreeing there is an issue, and conceeding both sides are equally bad and responsible. My hope was that maybe we should all reflect on our own particular contributions to the decline in the site.

 

But lo-and-behold, certain people start pointing the finger at the likes of me.

 

My thoughts changed to "well f**k you, why should I care if you dont ?"

 

One of the things that annoys me most is the refusal of certain posters to recognise that just because your opinion is, "Well if Lowe goes, who is there?" then you might actually not be a Lowe Luvvie at all. Just someone wondering who will run things given that they all see rubbish at it.