Big_Bald_Si Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/sai...for_saints.php According to this article, Saga has joined AAB on loan - when did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/sai...for_saints.php According to this article, Saga has joined AAB on loan - when did this happen? No article fella, it happened though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Last week i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 August 7th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 20 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Why did they not mention anything on the OS? Very strange indeed. Not understanding why we're loaning these players out, as they'll only come back and we'll have to pay their wages again. Why not sell them, or if we're that desperate, let them go elsewhere for free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 So in conclusion...yes you have missed something...Saga leaving for some team i've never heard of on loan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Why did they not mention anything on the OS? Very strange indeed. They did: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10414 Not understanding why we're loaning these players out, as they'll only come back and we'll have to pay their wages again. Why not sell them, or if we're that desperate, let them go elsewhere for free? It seems as if nobody is willing to take the likes of Saganowski and Rasiak off our hands on a permanent basis right now, presumably because of their high salaries. They can probably afford to take them on loan, paying the salaries for a short period of time and with no obligation at the end of the loan period to sign them permanently. In terms of the benefit to us, it gives us a short-term cash flow relief but we also still own the registration of two players who have demonstrated an ability to score goals at this level at times in the last 2 years. If we can get ourselves back to a situation where the finances aren't so tight, perhaps we might still see the pair of them play for us again, or (again, if we get to a non-desperate financial state) sell them for more than a pittance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Why did they not mention anything on the OS? Very strange indeed. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 20 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10414 I stand very much corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 If we can get ourselves back to a situation where the finances aren't so tight, perhaps we might still see the pair of them play for us again, or (again, if we get to a non-desperate financial state) sell them for more than a pittance. Do we know how long Saga and Rasiak have got left on their contracts? Not much I'd have thought by next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 I stand very much corrected! ...said the man in the orthopaedic shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Do we know how long Saga and Rasiak have got left on their contracts? Not much I'd have thought by next summer. Dunno. But you're right, thats the key. I think our current plan is to just survive until we can get them, Skacel, BWP and Euell off the wage bill. The c£3m pa that would save would enable us to stabilise and improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Do we know how long Saga and Rasiak have got left on their contracts? Not much I'd have thought by next summer. Saga and Rasiak each have two years left. Their value on the balance sheet will be written down over that period so as each season goes past the club's assets are reduced by that depreciation, and this will figure in the losses for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 or (again, if we get to a non-desperate financial state) sell them for more than a pittance. When do their contracts run out??? I assumed we would get no money for Rasiak as thought his deal wouldprobably be three years, which would expire at the end of the Watford loan. Saga, I presume he still has one or two years left??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 When do their contracts run out??? I assumed we would get no money for Rasiak as thought his deal wouldprobably be three years, which would expire at the end of the Watford loan. Saga, I presume he still has one or two years left??? Rasiak signed a 4-year deal when his loan from Spurs was made permanent. Saganowski's is a 3-year deal, so I think they both expire at the same time, i.e. in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 There's a bit about hime here: http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/localsport/3597206.Rasiak_signs_on_loan/ It says that there is an option to sign him in January for an 'agreed fee'. We paid £2m for him for 4 years so his write-down would be £500k pa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 They did: http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=10414 It seems as if nobody is willing to take the likes of Saganowski and Rasiak off our hands on a permanent basis right now, presumably because of their high salaries. They can probably afford to take them on loan, paying the salaries for a short period of time and with no obligation at the end of the loan period to sign them permanently. In terms of the benefit to us, it gives us a short-term cash flow relief but we also still own the registration of two players who have demonstrated an ability to score goals at this level at times in the last 2 years. If we can get ourselves back to a situation where the finances aren't so tight, perhaps we might still see the pair of them play for us again, or (again, if we get to a non-desperate financial state) sell them for more than a pittance. By not offloading them properly we end up paying their wages during the summer when they nothing to earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 By not offloading them properly we end up paying their wages during the summer when they nothing to earn it. That's true, but if the only takers are willing to take them on a loan basis, I don't see that we've got an awful lot of choice in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Rasiak signed a 4-year deal when his loan from Spurs was made permanent. Saganowski's is a 3-year deal, so I think they both expire at the same time, i.e. in 2010. Didn't realise Rasiak got a four year deal!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Didn't realise Rasiak got a four year deal!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?page_id=6853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/search/?page_id=6853 That was some commitment back then by Lowe. I remember him saying he had blown the wage cap to land him, but didn't realise it was such a lomg term commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 That was some commitment back then by Lowe. I remember him saying he had blown the wage cap to land him, but didn't realise it was such a lomg term commitment. what, penny pincher lowe..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 what, penny pincher lowe..? Exactly!!!!!!!! He spent 2million on Rasiak and then committed the Club to a four year deal. And that was about the same time as he was telling everyone that their was a war chest that Burley could spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Lowe is not a penny pincher. Can't you remember him splashing £3.2m on Tino and I presume that he gave to go ahead for our club record £4m on Delap, or actually if you take Tino and his bum chum cousin to keep him company at (I think) £1.1m then that is probably really the club record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 Exactly!!!!!!!! He spent 2million on Rasiak and then committed the Club to a four year deal. And that was about the same time as he was telling everyone that their was a war chest that Burley could spend. and there i was being told he was deliberately trying to run this club down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 and there i was being told he was deliberately trying to run this club down.... And of course when the statement comes out that the Club has been mismanaged (by his new sidekick) since the same summer, the part about giving Rasiak a 4 year deal on mega wonga is brushed over (along with the warchest quote!!!). The double standards at play are shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 The double standards at play are shocking. From more angles than I think you're suggesting. After all, many people on here claimed (and still claim, despite mountains of irrefutable evidence to the contrary) that Lowe refused to spend any money when he was chairman the first time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 From more angles than I think you're suggesting. After all, many people on here claimed (and still claim, despite mountains of irrefutable evidence to the contrary) that Lowe refused to spend any money when he was chairman the first time around. im sure, even lowe's most harsh critics on saintsforever even produced a balance sheet for our time at sms to relegation and it showed that we spent every penny we had on players...well almost, we made something like £2m profit in over 4 years.. i may be wrong but im sure i read somthing like that.... we did spend plenty, but maybe not too wisely as we should have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 20 August, 2008 Share Posted 20 August, 2008 im sure, even lowe's most harsh critics on saintsforever even produced a balance sheet for our time at sms to relegation and it showed that we spent every penny we had on players...well almost, we made something like £2m profit in over 4 years.. I may be wrong but im sure i read somthing like that.... we did spend plenty, but maybe not too wisely as we should have.... Yes I remember that too, in terms of strict cash purchases and sales of players we were very nearly even. Of course there were probably all sorts of agents' fees and expenses on top. IMO the problems were caused by the rapid turnover of managers. Every new one would buy in his own favourites without moving on the players he didn't like and we would end up with a squad of nearly 40. Fabrice was a clear example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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