miserableoldgit Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 (edited) It's funny how my one-dimensional, illogical and plain stupid views are invariably proved right. I can take snide remarks from the Lowe Luvvies - it's water off a ducks back. So anyone that disagrees with your one-dimensional view of how to get rid of Lowe is a Lowe - Luvvie?:confused: There are a lot of people who would like to see the back of Lowe (me included) but know that relegation and/or admin is not the right way to achieve it, especially as so many think that admin may in fact strengthen his hand, and not get rid of him at all. Edited 26 February, 2009 by miserableoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 It's funny how my one-dimensional, illogical and plain stupid views are invariably proved right. I can take snide remarks from the Lowe Luvvies - it's water off a ducks back. Stanley, most fans want lowe out, but can't reconcile that with wanting the team to lose, get relegated or go into administration. And just a word of warning if we do go into admin; This is a quote from the Darlington chairman yesterday relating to them going into admin..... I intend to support the administrators in this process and if any serious investors can be found I stand ready to continue my involvement and some investment as part of a consortium in order to keep professional football alive in Darlington." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 I`ve heard that the club are requesting extra police for the QPR game.Administration???? Who knows? More likely Wilde is coming to the game and doesn't want to be shouted at by a 16 year-old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 I`ve heard that the club are requesting extra police for the QPR game.Administration???? Who knows? Probably more to do with the fact that Saints away is a popular game for QPR fans. They always bring a big turnout to SMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 It's funny how my one-dimensional, illogical and plain stupid views are invariably proved right. I can take snide remarks from the Lowe Luvvies - it's water off a ducks back. I would like the first part I highlighted explained as I haven't once thought, "yeah, Stanley was right about that" and secondly, for someone that takes comments like water off a ducks back you really have got het up a few times when proven totally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 Then thought of administration sends a chill down my spine. Going into the unknown is not always a good idea. We still have some very important winnable games which could bring in a few more paying customers. My main concern is what happens if we stay up. Do we release/sell many players to stay afloat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 26 February, 2009 Share Posted 26 February, 2009 what is the final date we can go into admin and only incur a points loss for this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graymalkin33 Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 I intend to support the administrators in this process and if any serious investors can be found I stand ready to continue my involvement and some investment as part of a consortium in order to keep professional football alive in Darlington." Thats scarey... can anyone else hear those very same words coming from Lowe in the future because I CAN!......... oh boy! Stanley Out lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 Thats scarey... can anyone else hear those very same words coming from Lowe in the future because I CAN!......... oh boy! Stanley Out lol If Lowe is going to get involved with Darlo, then thats got to be good for us, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 27 February, 2009 Share Posted 27 February, 2009 It's funny how my one-dimensional, illogical and plain stupid views are invariably proved right. I can take snide remarks from the Lowe Luvvies - it's water off a ducks back. Can you point me to where any 1 of your views have been proved right please? And for the record I now accept that because I dont follow the same one-dimensional, illogical and plain stupid view as Stanley I am of course a Lowe-Luvvie. Thanks for pointing that out. What name do you post under on the poopy forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 We have a "50/50 chance of entering Administration within a fortnight" according to this : http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/crunch-time-for-the-havenots-1634176.html Yikes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 We have a "50/50 chance of entering Administration within a fortnight" according to this : http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/crunch-time-for-the-havenots-1634176.html Yikes ! We shouldn't be surprised at that comment. However much the club has TRIED to reduce costs this season they are still at the mercy of the Bank At the end of the day with SO many clubs in trouble, it is time that the Football League, Government AND banks take a step back and rethink. It is all well and good to punish stupid excesses across the board in football, but with the core of the game in trouble, money pouring into agents and players bank balances in the PL like they are bankers, then at least the League and banks SHOULD work together to give clubs the TIME they need to restructure. Also salary caps in ALL the leagues would be a good start Perhaps we are protesting in the wrong directions, fans everywhere should start to look at the bigger picture, survival of the fittest is fine, but when the healthy go down with the weak, things must be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 If we find ourselves in admin, us fans need to ask ourselves what are we going to go to support the club / team out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred kemp Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 as a regular supporter, but not poster, don't you lot realise that this stanley bloke, is on call 24-7 to talk ********, say the opposite, anything to get a response. obviously he lives alone, just a keyboard for company, just pity him, but also IGNORE HIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 We shouldn't be surprised at that comment. However much the club has TRIED to reduce costs this season they are still at the mercy of the Bank At the end of the day with SO many clubs in trouble, it is time that the Football League, Government AND banks take a step back and rethink. It is all well and good to punish stupid excesses across the board in football, but with the core of the game in trouble, money pouring into agents and players bank balances in the PL like they are bankers, then at least the League and banks SHOULD work together to give clubs the TIME they need to restructure. Also salary caps in ALL the leagues would be a good start Perhaps we are protesting in the wrong directions, fans everywhere should start to look at the bigger picture, survival of the fittest is fine, but when the healthy go down with the weak, things must be wrong Well said that man . The game as we know it is a house of cards , the 'Credit Crunch' may well be the wind that blows that house down . The concentration of TV money in the Premier League and the obscene wages being payed to its players is akin to a form of corruption . The game is being destroyed by greed and the ruthless self interest of the strongest clubs - when as a result they finally bury most of the Football League 'Sky Sports' will be named as the cause of death . The case for a wage cap is both obvious and undeniable , but it probably won't happen because Premier League and CCC clubs with a parachute payment would lose a competitive advantage over less fortunate clubs - another sorry example of TV money eroding British football from within . Any Darwin enthusiasts out there will no doubt argue that evolution requires that the strong will survive and the weak must perish , those with of love of the games history may well adopt a differing point of view . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 28 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 February, 2009 We shouldn't be surprised at that comment. However much the club has TRIED to reduce costs this season they are still at the mercy of the Bank At the end of the day with SO many clubs in trouble, it is time that the Football League, Government AND banks take a step back and rethink. It is all well and good to punish stupid excesses across the board in football, but with the core of the game in trouble, money pouring into agents and players bank balances in the PL like they are bankers, then at least the League and banks SHOULD work together to give clubs the TIME they need to restructure. Also salary caps in ALL the leagues would be a good start Perhaps we are protesting in the wrong directions, fans everywhere should start to look at the bigger picture, survival of the fittest is fine, but when the healthy go down with the weak, things must be wrong good shout but would we be calling for change if we were on the other side of the fence? it is obvious to everybody involved in football that the game is being destroyed by greed which has been going on since the early 90's.some people would say that this is the price of progress,evolution if you like but that doesnt make it right. the players and their agents now run football backed up by sky,the clubs have no power and if the players dont get what they want they move onto another club that will pander to their every whim. the big clubs rape the small clubs all the time and the small clubs have to take it in the arse to survive.football will eventually destroy itself and all that will be left are the big money clubs playing each other,which is something they and sky have been working towards for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 Stanley Out!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 as a regular supporter, but not poster, don't you lot realise that this stanley bloke, is on call 24-7 to talk ********, say the opposite, anything to get a response. obviously he lives alone, just a keyboard for company, just pity him, but also IGNORE HIM Yes, we know. It's just that we find it more amusing to let him think we don't know that we know who he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 It seems that adminstration threads are the new takeover threads! As before, I will believe it when the ink is dry on the paper...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 I do not believe Stanley is entirely wrong in his premise, just not entirely effective in communicating perhaps? There is no clear evidence either way whether administration would see the club die completely, although there is reasonable evidence to suggest there could be hope for survival and a better future. Especially if supporters rallied around per Sheffield Utd game last season. The one thing that is absolutely certain in my mind is that we will not gain new investment through a sale of the club all the while the corporate structure is one of a PLC. The major shareholders will not invest - why should they, when there's little chance of a return on their money and even pro-rata I doubt ALL the other 1,000's of shareholders would put money too? So, the only good thing about administration is that it would offer the opportunity for the club to rid itself of the PLC straight-jacket and potentially attract new investment. That investment might happen - it might not - and high risk is clearly involved. Even if Lowe somehow manages to raise the cash to buy the club and has the dogged determination to hold on post admin, the end of the PLC would help us move on IMO. However I cannot believe there will not be other suitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 We have a "50/50 chance of entering Administration within a fortnight" according to this : http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/football-league/crunch-time-for-the-havenots-1634176.html Yikes ! Perhaps everyone on here who thinks it is a walk in the park running a club like SFC (I will never forget Um Pahars saying that his nephew could do it) should be forced to read this article every day for the next two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 as a regular supporter, but not poster, don't you lot realise that this stanley bloke, is on call 24-7 to talk ********, say the opposite, anything to get a response. obviously he lives alone, just a keyboard for company, just pity him, but also IGNORE HIM You are probably right.Sadly there are a number of other posters that fit that profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 Perhaps everyone on here who thinks it is a walk in the park running a club like SFC (I will never forget Um Pahars saying that his nephew could do it) should be forced to read this article every day for the next two weeks. If only his nephew had been chairman of the Trust how different things could have been.:roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 If only his nephew had been chairman of the Trust how different things could have been.:roll: lol !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 good shout but would we be calling for change if we were on the other side of the fence? it is obvious to everybody involved in football that the game is being destroyed by greed which has been going on since the early 90's.some people would say that this is the price of progress,evolution if you like but that doesnt make it right. the players and their agents now run football backed up by sky,the clubs have no power and if the players dont get what they want they move onto another club that will pander to their every whim. the big clubs rape the small clubs all the time and the small clubs have to take it in the arse to survive.football will eventually destroy itself and all that will be left are the big money clubs playing each other,which is something they and sky have been working towards for a long time. In a way we were, as a provincial PL club we still could not earn enough money from the Sky pot to "move forwards" and much of the discussion on here analysing why we never had the money or found the investment when we were on that side of the fence which of course led us to where we are now. Competition is critical, the "uber leftist" view that everything is equal except for the ruling clases is not what I believe should happen (ie it should not be all divided up equally for everybody) but as others have said, Football generates the MONEY and then other "parties" make sure they take it OUT of the game to spend on Bling, fast cars and the like. (and that's just the agents!) We have seen what happened when the Banks were allowed to "rule themselves" and in many ways I feel football is in the same state, salary caps, limits on debt, protection of young players from exploitation are all part of Platini's concepts for change, but of course they never get debated because everyone wants their piece of the pie. Which is fine until you run out of fillings for the pies maybe with the new economic reality hitting home the only people who CAN initiate the changes will vote - the fans - they get bored with the PL prima donnas and don't renew their subscriptions to Sky, and the disease the article referred to of falling attendances starts to hit the PL clubs where it hurts - in the pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 In a way we were, as a provincial PL club we still could not earn enough money from the Sky pot to "move forwards" and much of the discussion on here analysing why we never had the money or found the investment when we were on that side of the fence which of course led us to where we are now. But I think what Lordswood was getting at and something I have mentioned before, was that when we were at the top table being fed handsomely, I don't remember much debate, let alone support on here for restructuring the game and in particular the amount of money being pumped into the Premiership and not cascaded down. Whilst we may have had a degree of sympathy for clubs like Bradford, Leicester, Ipswich et al, I only think it was when we got relegated did we start to look at the bigger problem. And I think many people have identified that it is a bigger problem, that needs bigger solutions, but I just can't see the "Big" clubs going for it, neither can I even see the medium clubs going for it. I'm not sure what it will take to change and I just can't see what will kick start it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 But I think what Lordswood was getting at and something I have mentioned before, was that when we were at the top table being fed handsomely, I don't remember much debate, let alone support on here for restructuring the game and in particular the amount of money being pumped into the Premiership and not cascaded down. Whilst we may have had a degree of sympathy for clubs like Bradford, Leicester, Ipswich et al, I only think it was when we got relegated did we start to look at the bigger problem. And I think many people have identified that it is a bigger problem, that needs bigger solutions, but I just can't see the "Big" clubs going for it, neither can I even see the medium clubs going for it. I'm not sure what it will take to change and I just can't see what will kick start it off.[/quote] The idea will keep bored journalists in work for a year or so re-hashing the same basic stories, but eventually instead of us "bottom of the heap" guys, a Boro, Wigan or Liverpool or Arsenal will suddenly fold and then things will be interesting. (eg Liverpool 30mil a year in interest payments on the money the Yank muppets used to buy them.... doesn't leave them a lot of left over profit, Arsenal having to refinance their property development of Highbury) Not saying it will happen but it would be the ONLY thing to bring change, by which time a lot of assets of a lot of liquidated clubs will have been stripped out of the game by the Vultures as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 The idea will keep bored journalists in work for a year or so re-hashing the same basic stories, but eventually instead of us "bottom of the heap" guys, a Boro, Wigan or Liverpool or Arsenal will suddenly fold and then things will be interesting. (eg Liverpool 30mil a year in interest payments on the money the Yank muppets used to buy them.... doesn't leave them a lot of left over profit, Arsenal having to refinance their property development of Highbury) Not saying it will happen but it would be the ONLY thing to bring change, by which time a lot of assets of a lot of liquidated clubs will have been stripped out of the game by the Vultures as well Even then Phil I worry that the view will just be "there but for the grace of God etc etc etc" and everyone will just carry on as normal. I think there has to a fundamental overhaul of the game, but I just don't think the big clubs will go for it, nor can I see who will start the ball rolling. It would appear most are on selfish mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 Is that next years Pompey kit he's sporting? It gets gaudier every year... (mind, it needs those CCC badges on the shirt-sleeves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 lol !! Awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 Is that next years Pompey kit he's sporting? It gets gaudier every year... (mind, it needs those CCC badges on the shirt-sleeves). Have a feeling we could have yours,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,as you might not need em:smt082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 28 February, 2009 Share Posted 28 February, 2009 Have a feeling we could have yours,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,as you might not need em:smt082 We'll need them all right! COYS - Pride of the South, ALWAYS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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