Cardiff protest.

[Window Cleaner]

I have some giant crocus and snowdrops in the garden, (dafs and tulips not ready yet), will these do?

 

Ask the "organisers". Bunch of pansies would be about right.

 

However all flowers have a meaning, they'd do as well to look it up and choose appropriately. roses are seldom funereal, you need lilies for that.

 

Here you go:

 

http://www.iflorist.com/en/gifts/meaning/

[NickG]

Ask the "organisers". Bunch of pansies would be about right.

 

However all flowers have a meaning, they'd do as well to look it up and choose appropriately. roses are seldom funereal, you need lilies for that.

 

Here you go:

 

http://www.iflorist.com/en/gifts/meaning/

 

so is it "happy love" they are signifying?

[derry]

The reaction of the club to the demonstrations has been positive.

 

Doncaster- Portvliet resigns, Wotte appointed.

Swansea/Preston Wotte & players aware of the fans anger and treading on eggshells.

 

The 'experiment' abandoned, the senior players now playing, performances more dynamic, immediate results and performances improving.

 

The demonstrations are not having a damaging effect and certainly have got the attention of the club. Keep up the pressure.

[um pahars]

once again you seem to try and make things personal.

 

Personal???

 

You post up here and others, including myself, respond, augment, agree and perhaps ask quetions of.

 

You're quick to demand answer of others and equally quick to deride their opinions and actions, so how come you've now morphed into a wallflower?

 

I am not going to answer your insults.

 

Have to say I didn't think I insulted you, apologies if you were offended.

 

But then again considering you've labelled posters, fools, bitter fools, drama queens, miserable, not very bright, bitter old fool, arrogant, obsessive, fool filled with spite, moronic, immature idiot, and embarrassment (got bored at this point), then I have to say it's quite laughable how all of a sudden you've suddenly become extremely precious!!!!

 

To answer your question as to what basis I was asking him, I was asking as someone who is organising a protest I was interested in what exactly it was seeking to achieve? Is that not reasonable?

 

Organising the protest, I'd call it more facilitating and arranging, but as I have said before, I don't think everyone is lining up behind all of Connor's thoughts and ideas, not least because I doubt we've all managed to have a cosy chat with him.

 

I think the general stated aim has been made clear by a number of posters - A change at the very top and the desire that this would help move this Club forward.

 

I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve by polarising the argument and trying to concentrate on the small minutia of individual's opionions and views???

 

I would not expect everyone involved to have exactly the same opinion, but it is normal for everyone on a protest march to agree with the stated aim.

 

So at last you've accepted that everyone will not have exactly the same opinion, so at least we've got over that hurdle.

 

And I would conjecture that the overwhelming majority (if not all) of those on the marhces were in agreement with the overall general aim, noted above.

 

I also, now wonder if the organisers have a different view, not that Crouch -who I believe they wanted to install as chairman, has suggested supporting Wotte and leave politics until the close season.

 

I would think it is up to individuals themselves to regularly reconsider their position in the light of a fluid situation. I don't for one minute think those who are protesting are the dumb sheep blindly following the organisers that you would like us to think they are.

 

I personally can see no problem with supporting the team 100%, whilst seeking a change in the Boardroom and amongst the Senior Management of the Club. After all, following these protests the team have taken 4 points from two promotion challenging teams;).

[hamster]

Personally, re the protests, I think and hope that the message may have gotten through.

 

I took part in the march and had even planned to 'march out', to the point of not even taking a season ticket with me. Outside the ground I felt an overwhelming urge to stay, paid for a ticket I(in the Northam of all places) and had the best time I have had all season. I will never forget that match for all the right reasons.

 

I don't remember ever seieng us lose from the Northam, and it did cross my mind that I played a big part in getting that win, I really do feel that I should have got a mention from the manager in the post match interview.

[Norm]

I am not in favour with the protest marches but I do admire the 'lad' (Connor?). He is simply doing what he feels is the best way to protest.

 

I really hope we all attend on Sat and shout our support for the players.

[scott_saints]

Connor for chairman?

[OldNick]

Laying flowers. Its not Brighton FFS. Im all for peaceful protests but this is all getting a bit lame.

[sidthesquid]

I heard the bloke that started this idea worked for Interflora

[krissyboy31]

I would understand if the idea was to lay roses on Ruperts seat so that when he sat down he'd get thorns up his @rse but don't see the significance of this at all.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Connor for chairman?

 

I just hope you really, really meant that as anything else could be labelled as "cyber bullying" and not a nice spot to be in.

[hypochondriac]

I attended the first march but this is getting a bit silly now. Have a sit in or pitch invasion but its got to be a step up from what has gone before or it's pointless and ineffective.

[NickG]

I keep asking what they want anyway?

 

It appeared the protest before wanted Lowe/Wilde/Wotte out and Crouch in.

 

Now even Crouch is being sensible enough to see there shouldn't be change again until the relegation battle is sorted.

[Channon's Sideburns]

Laying flowers. Its not Brighton YET. Im all for peaceful protests but this is all getting a bit lame.

 

 

Changed the FFS to YET Nick....let's not get too misty eyed based on one good home performance....

 

Wotte's current results could still be ballsed up by those up top...

[aintforever]

It just seems like protesting for the sake of it now.

 

If Wotte's team continue their good form and stuff Cardiff do we really want to force change?!?!

 

Lowe is a ****, Poortvleit was a disaster, but if this Wotte guy is actually a good manager then change NOW is the very last thing we need, talk about shoot ourselves in the foot.

[NickG]

It just seems like protesting for the sake of it now.

 

If Wotte's team continue their good form and stuff Cardiff do we really want to force change?!?!

 

Lowe is a ****, Poortvleit was a disaster, but if this Wotte guy is actually a good manager then change NOW is the very last thing we need, talk about shoot ourselves in the foot.

 

agree, personally I would hope that Connor admit he was prejudiced and protested too soon about Wotte and support Crouch in his call for a meaningful inquest in the close season, the protest has made a point and its clear that the board aren't popular.

Edited 26 February, 2009 by NickG

[um pahars]

agree, Connor should admit he was prejudiced and protested too soon about Wotte and support Crouch in his call for a meaningful inquest in the close season

 

And what about me NickG, as I wasn't protesting against Wotte:rolleyes::rolleyes:?

[Mole]

agree, Connor should admit he was prejudiced and protested too soon about Wotte and support Crouch in his call for a meaningful inquest in the close season

 

I've got nothing but total respect for Connor for having the balls to organise the protests.

[um pahars]

I keep asking what they want anyway?

 

And you keep being told;)

 

Yet for some strange reason you ask the same question every day LOL:D

[NickG]

sorry I edited before seeing it had been read/quoted. I've still not really said what I mean! Not telling him what to think just suggesting he reflects on it.

[Give it to Ron]

agree, personally I would hope that Connor admit he was prejudiced and protested too soon about Wotte and support Crouch in his call for a meaningful inquest in the close season, the protest has made a point and its clear that the board aren't popular.

 

Dont you think you are branding Wotte a success too soon?

[NickG]

And what about me NickG, as I wasn't protesting against Wotte:rolleyes::rolleyes:?

 

I told you before -you were clearly on wrong protest as that's what Connor had asked support for!

 

Seriously the second part answers that - point made, Crouch has asked for no change and support Wotte etc now and is willing to talk with Lowe in the summer - can't see what a further protest would do more now.

[Mole]

Dont you think you are branding Wotte a success too soon?

 

You should have seen his Jan posts, would you like me to dig them up NickG?

[NickG]

Dont you think you are branding Wotte a success too soon?

 

where has I branded him a success?

 

Just haven't prejudged him purely on who appointed him. Would put him, as of today, in the ok to quite good area, but very early days.

[NickG]

You should have seen his Jan posts, would you like me to dig them up NickG?

 

lol! Thought Jan would do better than he did, and as you have quoted I did go OTT in support of him after one game (probably the shock to the system of a win and enjoying the moment after all the negative posts).

 

BUT, before he went I did start a thread saying that he should go.

 

I gave him a chance, as he was appointed as saints manager.

 

As I will Wotte.

[um pahars]

can't see what a further protest would do more now.

 

And that's your opinion. We know what it is, you've made it abundantly clear, you've droned on and on, you've let us know about it almost every day for ages now, and I'm sure you'll carry on bringing it up every day going forward as well. You've ignored every post answering your points and then posted the same questions over and over again:smt082:rolleyes:

 

They may not be the answers you want to hear, and they may not be answers you agree with or can resonate with, but your questions/points have all been answered.

[Give it to Ron]

agree, personally I would hope that Connor admit he was prejudiced and protested too soon about Wotte (quote)

 

Why then did you post that Connor protested too soon then? How do you know that he protested too soon?

If you had read the reasons why he had his banner it was due to the comments Wotte made..nothing to do with his performance as a manager.

[NickG]

agree, personally I would hope that Connor admit he was prejudiced and protested too soon about Wotte (quote)

 

Why then did you post that Connor protested too soon then? How do you know that he protested too soon?

If you had read the reasons why he had his banner it was due to the comments Wotte made..nothing to do with his performance as a manager.

 

protested too soon against Wotte -i.e. didn't see if he was a silly appointment.

 

Wotte made the comments after Connors echo article saying he was a silly appointment - which is fair enough.

[NickG]

And that's your opinion. We know what it is, you've made it abundantly clear, you've droned on and on, you've let us know about it almost every day for ages now, and I'm sure you'll carry on bringing it up every day going forward as well. You've ignored every post answering your points and then posted the same questions over and over again:smt082:rolleyes:

 

They may not be the answers you want to hear, and they may not be answers you agree with or can resonate with, but your questions/points have all been answered.

 

lol

[aintforever]

Whilst I think protesing while the team is playing well is rediculous and totally counter productive, that doesn't mean I think Wotte will be a good manager, I am happy to be proved wrong though.

 

All managers have a honeymoon period, the one consistant thing about those is that the fans always believe it will last. Wotte has alot to prove - but he should be given a chance based on what we've seen.

[Give it to Ron]

protested too soon against Wotte -i.e. didn't see if he was a silly appointment.

 

Wotte made the comments after Connors echo article saying he was a silly appointment - which is fair enough.

 

There you go again proving my initial point...how do you know he is not a silly appointment based on 4 games isn't it Connor may well be proved right and you saying he was too premature is based on 1 win.

Well thats what the Lowe luvvies try and kid us he has been here for...even though the OS stated he is part of the first team management.

What happens if as possible we lose the next 3 games?

[Wopper]

Sack of turnips would be better.

[Mole]

lol! Thought Jan would do better than he did, and as you have quoted I did go OTT in support of him after one game (probably the shock to the system of a win and enjoying the moment after all the negative posts).

 

BUT, before he went I did start a thread saying that he should go.

 

I gave him a chance, as he was appointed as saints manager.

 

As I will Wotte.

 

Here it is NickG...

 

dutch jokers? lol! -when will the humble pie / apologies come?

 

Every game and every interview he justs gets better!

 

Couldn't imagine NP or GB doing nearly as well in situation

[NickG]

There you go again proving my initial point...how do you know he is not a silly appointment based on 4 games isn't it?

Well thats what the Lowe luvvies try and kid us he has been here for...even though the OS stated he is part of the first team management.

What happens if as possible we lose the next 3 games?

 

...err because the team have improved?

 

 

Its quite simple -I am giving him a chance rather than writing him off in a sulk as I don't like the nasty man who appointed him.

 

As I haven't gone on a public display of support for him, rather just keeping an open mind and watching the team, wouldn't a more relevant question be directed to those writing him off as a silly appointment asking them why they are so sure he can't do the job?

[NickG]

if we lose next 3 of course will have lower opinion of him than if we win them - but lets see how he does, we can only judge him on performance

[um pahars]

...Its quite simple -I am giving him a chance rather than writing him off in a sulk as I don't like the nasty man who appointed him.

 

And I'm quite sure you were accusing those of us who had our doubts with regards Poortvliet in exactly the same way.****

 

It's all about opinions NickG, but sadly you would appear to be too one dimensional to appreciate that (as is regularly demonstrated by your posts on here).

 

 

 

**** Now having seen your quotes above re Poortvliet, I think it's safe to say case close M'Lold LOL

[NickG]

Here it is NickG...

 

bit sad and obsessed that you found that! fiar enough but

 

as one of the more positive/optimistic posters I was willing to see some good in Jan and the work he has tried to do.

 

Think he is a decent guy, and maybe with a couple of lucky home wins to break the poor streak and take the pressure off he could have done better.

 

As I walked into the ground yesterday and heard the team I felt we would do ok.

 

Sure we didn't have players of yester-year, or even Rasiak, John etc but we had;

 

very good keeper

decent pairing at CB

a signed LB who although I wasn't expecting great things was at least a LB

Saga back

 

We came off a away win and had a real chance to move on.

 

What I saw was, yet again the team starting very well and then after failing to get an early goal looking under pressure and increasingly panicing.

This can only get worse with each game we fail to win at home.

 

I am not keen on continual management changes.

Nor changing without being able to get someone better in (why I wanted GB to stay).

 

However, my concern is the team have got into a rut and needs a significant change to reignite them and the supporters.

A change in boardroom is looking very very unlikely.

 

The only other changes that could do this would be a big name signing -not going to happen. Or a new manager.

 

Without going over old arguments of Jan v NP, whether he should have been appointed etc, but we have all seen loads of good managers being sacked as their team gets into a rut then go onto get success elsewhere -sometimes it needs that kick.

 

I know teams have been relegated, stuck with managers to then do well - and I do admire this way of working. But yesterday, seeing two players whistling to the bench then shrugging their shoulders as they didn't know what to do, I have changed my mind.

 

hope this explains some of my views, posted before he went.

 

Tried to search for a post where you got something wrong or posted something you might regret but couldn't find any!

[alpine_saint]

Here it is NickG...

 

The gushing toadying sycophancy with which he greets every Lowe decision is really quite nauseating..........

[NickG]

And I'm quite sure you were accusing those of us who had our doubts with regards Poortvliet in exactly the same way.

 

It's all about opinions NickG, but sadly you would appear to be too one dimensional to appreciate that (as is regularly demonstrated by your posts on here).

 

I wanted NP rather than Jan, nothing wrong with opinions.

[NickG]

this thread is getting pathetic and personal again.

. I try to reasonable explain my views but there is too much immaturity and bitterness for reasoned discussion.

 

 

 

Goodnight ladies

[um pahars]

nothing wrong with opinions.

 

Which is a rather strange statement, given your posts on here and your continual refusal to accept that someone else might be doing or saying something that you might not agree with;) and your continual droning on and on and on and continually posing the same questions despite them being answered.:smt048

[alpine_saint]

this thread is getting pathetic and personal again.

. I try to reasonable explain my views but there is too much immaturity and bitterness for reasoned discussion.

 

 

Unlike calling a 16 year old kid worried about his club and willing to do something about it "prejudiced", I suppose...

[alpine_saint]

Which is a rather strange statement, given your posts on here and your continual refusal to accept that someone else might be doing or saying something that you might not agree with;) and your continual droning on and on and on and continually posing the same questions despite them being answered.:smt048

 

We're all "bitter", donchyaknow...

[Mole]

bit sad and obsessed that you found that!

 

I'm good at doing sad and obsessed. It's my specialist subject.

[um pahars]

this thread is getting pathetic and personal again.

. I try to reasonable explain my views but there is too much immaturity and bitterness for reasoned discussion.

 

 

 

Goodnight ladies

 

Shall we add this little outburst to :

 

fools, bitter fools, drama queens, miserable, not very bright, bitter old fool, arrogant, obsessive, fool filled with spite, moronic, immature idiot, and an embarrassment (got bored at this point),

 

And as I have said before, it's quite laughable how all of a sudden you've suddenly become extremely precious and a retiring wallflower!!!!

 

Do you want your ball back now?

[Give it to Ron]

...err because the team have improved?

 

 

Its quite simple -I am giving him a chance rather than writing him off in a sulk as I don't like the nasty man who appointed him.

 

As I haven't gone on a public display of support for him, rather just keeping an open mind and watching the team, wouldn't a more relevant question be directed to those writing him off as a silly appointment asking them why they are so sure he can't do the job?

 

Again why are you ignoring the main issue here....Connor was protesting against Wotte due to what he had written previously nothing to do with his performance in the 'short' time he has been here.

 

Just so you are clear...there are very few who want Wotte to fail and if you took the time to read posts rather than jumping in with both feet you would also see that Connor also has written this on here.

There are many silly previous appointments made by the current board that is quite understandable IMO if

fans were of the opinion this would be another failure especially given the current managers history in Holland.

I do not know Connor, never met him and due to an op on my knee couldnt attend the marches...although went to the games but he has done more in the last couple of weeks to move this club forward than many who post on here that rant and rave yet never ever go.

Edited 26 February, 2009 by Give it to Ron

[alpine_saint]

Shall we add this little outburst to :

 

fools, bitter fools, drama queens, miserable, not very bright, bitter old fool, arrogant, obsessive, fool filled with spite, moronic, immature idiot, and an embarrassment (got bored at this point),

 

And as I have said before, it's quite laughable how all of a sudden you've suddenly become extremely precious and a retiring wallflower!!!!

 

Do you want your ball back now?

 

hehehehe

[um pahars]

Just so you are clear...there are very few who want Wotte to fail and if you took the time to read posts rather than jumping in with both feet you would also see that Connor also has written this on here.

 

But that's the whole problem with NickG. People respond to his questions or points, or they provide an explanation etc, but for some reason he just ignores them and then trots out the same rubbish time and time again.

 

No idea what he's trying to prove with this style of asking questions/raising points and then ignoring the replies.

 

They may not be the answers he wanted or expected, and they may not even be answers he agrees with, but rather than debate the points, he just disappears, only to pop up again and put across the same questions/points as on the previous day.

[alpine_saint]

But that's the whole problem with NickG. People respond to his questions or points, or they provide an explanation etc, but for some reason he just ignores them and then trots out the same rubbish time and time again.

 

No idea what he's trying to prove with this style of asking questions/raising points and then ignoring the replies.

 

They may not be the answers he wanted or expected, and they may not even be answers he agrees with, but rather than debate the points, he just disappears, only to pop up again and put across the same questions/points as on the previous day.

 

Personally, the most bizarre thing I find about him is the way he appears to be permanently scanning the internet - trying to find news articles to portray the club and its management in a positive light - that he can paste a link to on here.

[Ponty]

I don't know why you lot have started on NickG. He seems to one of the few on here who can put their hands up to having made a mistake.