cellone Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 The Cardiff game is coming up with all the chants of "sheep ****gers" etc. After the last few games against them I'll be giving this one a miss because as a Welsh man I have no wish to be sat amoungst people hurling abuse that is also insulting to me a Saints fan. I see no difference between this and making monkey noises and the like to black people.
Ponty Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Are the Welsh a different race to the English? I'm not so sure. It's possibly xenophobic, I'd imagine.
Micky Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 The Cardiff game is coming up with all the chants of "sheep ****gers" etc. After the last few games against them I'll be giving this one a miss because as a Welsh man I have no wish to be sat amoungst people hurling abuse that is also insulting to me a Saints fan. I see no difference between this and making monkey noises and the like to black people. In that case you have answered your own question and decided the best course of action.
exeter_saint Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 its banter mate get over it, its not as if the Cardiff/Swansea fans dont spend a large amount of time dishing out equally "offensive" anti-English banter. They take it and give it back as do we, everyone gets on with their life
Calvin Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Is it racist to use the term 'racisist'? Yes it is
exeter_saint Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 and thats a horrible spelling of 'racist'
AK Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I'm not going to watch Saints again after hearing "you fat bastard chanted" at Parkin on Saturday, I can't believe we have such sizeist fans.
miserableoldgit Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Are the Welsh a different race to the English? I'm not so sure. It's possibly xenophobic, I'd imagine. Ask the Welsh (or Scots or Irish) if they are a different race from the English. You may get some interesting answers!
Pancake Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Are the Welsh a different race to the English? I'm not so sure. It's possibly xenophobic, I'd imagine. I would be inclined to agree with my learned friend.
Ponty Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Is it racist to use the term 'racisist'? Yes it is You know it's bad when Calvin picks you up on your spelling
cellone Posted 24 February, 2009 Author Posted 24 February, 2009 (edited) I fail to see not attending a game to watch the team I support as the best course of action. I find it pittiful in this day and age. Sorry about the miss-spelling Edited 24 February, 2009 by cellone
Ponty Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Ask the Welsh (or Scots or Irish) if they are a different race from the English. You may get some interesting answers! Some wrong ones, I'll wager.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 To be honest it is not a big issue really and certainly not even slightly comparable to making monkey noises at black people. It is also pretty blinkered to call Welsh people sheep ****gers, however, as I for one know many Welsh people and some of them don't do this.
Micky Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 (edited) I fail to see not attending a game to watch the team I support as the best course of action. I find it pittiful in this day and age. Errr your decision mate - not mine (ours). Edited 24 February, 2009 by Micky Trying to make a decission on how to (or not) spell decision...! ;)
Calvin Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 You know it's bad when Calvin picks you up on your spelling It is just an internet forum to me.:confused:
Ponty Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 It is just an internet forum to me.:confused: I wish more people were like you here. Seriously.
miserableoldgit Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Some wrong ones, I'll wager. You`re probably right! It is difficult to differenciate, though, between the English/ Welsh stuff (from both sides) and the same things that happen at a local derby. Strange!
Gingeletiss Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 To be honest it is not a big issue really and certainly not even slightly comparable to making monkey noises at black people. It is also pretty blinkered to call Welsh people sheep ****gers, however, as I for one know many Welsh people and some of them don't do this. JohnnyFartPants Full Member Quote: Originally Posted by Gingeletiss Thought about this DD, and I disagree. IMHO, Crouch (If returned) would not make sacking Wotte his first priority. If he was a popular manager with fans and players alike, the I suspect he would stay. Do not judge Crouch by Lowe's standards...that's like saying your Jonahs twin, or Johnnywet my pants by day. Do pipe down you knackered old ginger fossil. Now then JFP, don't you go handing out advice about insulting people:roll:
JohnnyFartPants Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I fail to see not attending a game to watch the team I support as the best course of action. I find it pittiful in this day and age. Sorry about the miss-spelling Hang on. You started by saying you would give this one a miss, now feel you shouldn't have to. Don't then. Just make a decision and I'll tell you what, I will back you all the way. You needn't even tell me what it is.
Arizona Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 If you're going to call that 'racist' then surely you would have to put calling Pompey fans 'skates' etc. in the same bracket. I am surprised that being called a sheep****ger would cause any real emotional suffering for a Welshman. If you stand back and think about it, it is a ridiculous accusation, unless of course you do have relations with sheep. A group of Welshmen at a football match, I think they have a rough idea that they are going to get some stick, yet they keep coming back.
Calvin Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I fail to see not attending a game to watch the team I support as the best course of action. I find it pittiful in this day and age. Sorry about the miss-spelling How can you be annoyed about football banter. Where have you been all these years? How the **** is being accused of ****ging a sheep racist? Lock this thread please!
Grim Reaper Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Its certainly not fair on sheep to say that about them ;-)
cellone Posted 24 February, 2009 Author Posted 24 February, 2009 Oh well, looks like I should be a man and get over it.
aintforever Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I fail to see not attending a game to watch the team I support as the best course of action. I find it pittiful in this day and age. Sorry about the miss-spelling I wouldn't let it stop you going, it's not that baaaaaaaad.
Calvin Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Oh well, looks like I should be a man and get over it. That is the way forward
miserableoldgit Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 If you're going to call that 'racist' then surely you would have to put calling Pompey fans 'skates' etc. in the same bracket. I am surprised that being called a sheep****ger would cause any real emotional suffering for a Welshman. If you stand back and think about it, it is a ridiculous accusation, unless of course you do have relations with sheep. A group of Welshmen at a football match, I think they have a rough idea that they are going to get some stick, yet they keep coming back. But surely it would depend on how deep and meaningful the relationship was for you to really be offended!
JohnnyFartPants Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 JohnnyFartPants Full Member Quote: Originally Posted by Gingeletiss Thought about this DD, and I disagree. IMHO, Crouch (If returned) would not make sacking Wotte his first priority. If he was a popular manager with fans and players alike, the I suspect he would stay. Do not judge Crouch by Lowe's standards...that's like saying your Jonahs twin, or Johnnywet my pants by day. Do pipe down you knackered old ginger fossil. Now then JFP, don't you go handing out advice about insulting people:roll: Oh look, it was a response to the angry fossil.
Calvin Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Its certainly not fair on sheep to say that about them ;-) I know... I saw a lot of sheeep limiping once! In Wales
Grim Reaper Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 i used to no a welshman who used to wear mint sauce after shave ;-)
Micky Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 (edited) Oh well, looks like I should be a man and get over it. Sorry - get over what exactly...???? Naaah joking - honestly...!! Dooooh - he probably won't go again now...!! Edited 24 February, 2009 by Micky
rallyboy Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 The sheep issue is covered by musical licence, and you can buy them from most newsagents, as long as it is in a song it is okay. You wouldn't go up to someone in the street and ask them where their caravan was but you are allowed to sing old folk songs, it is tradition. Inviting your children to shoot our near neighbours and hanging the chairman from a bridge are okay as long as they are in song....I think....maybe get the lawyers onto that one....can of worms, too late.... On a serious note - incidents that have crossed the line are the gas chamber noises and Munich references at Spurs and United, most other stuff is taken in the spirit of banter, and that is what you should expect if you go to a football stadium.
Le Timmier Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I joined in with the "just a small town in Wales" chant at Ashton Gate the other week. I live in Bristol so was effectively insulting myself. Mind you, I managed to avoid shxgging any livestock...
miserableoldgit Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I remember being on the coach going to Cardiff in 2003 and as we passed a field of sheep, someone shouted out "Look lads, it`s a Welsh Leisure Centre!". How we all laughed.
Micky Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 So, have we therefore established that any reference to fornication with livestock found freely roaming in the valleys around the green, green grass of home is definately not open to any racial connotations whatsoever and maybe freely deliberated about at SMS?
Saint_clark Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 So, have we therefore established that any reference to fornication with livestock found freely roaming in the valleys around the green, green grass of home is definately not open to any racial connotations whatsoever and maybe freely deliberated about at SMS? Yes. Baaaaaa.
Badger Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 The Cardiff game is coming up with all the chants of "sheep ****gers" etc. After the last few games against them I'll be giving this one a miss because as a Welsh man I have no wish to be sat amoungst people hurling abuse that is also insulting to me a Saints fan. I see no difference between this and making monkey noises and the like to black people. I would have thought that as a Welshman you might have found the behaviour of some of your fellow countrymen draped with Red Dragon flags more of an embarassment and something to miss. Lets be honest,both Cardiff and Swansea fans resort to a lot of anti English abuse week in-week out.A mate at Swansea Uni c20 years ago told me how every home game at The Vetch would include "we'll never be mastered by you English bastards " sung to the red flag. Do you think an approach to your compatriots not to offend "your English friends and neighbours" would be well received ? Its a great shame you feel uncomfortable at the match,but I think its naive to expect it to cease. Are the Welsh a different race to the English? I'm not so sure. It's possibly xenophobic, I'd imagine. Celts,as opposed to Anglo-Saxons.Not that many engaging in the 'banter' will understand. its banter mate get over it, its not as if the Cardiff/Swansea fans dont spend a large amount of time dishing out equally "offensive" anti-English banter. They take it and give it back as do we, everyone gets on with their life Agreed.How often when England play football,and moreso rugby where the Welsh are concerned,do we hear them openly supporting or wearing the opponents shirts ? Ask the Welsh (or Scots or Irish) if they are a different race from the English. You may get some interesting answers! Noticed your avatar; can I have one saying "I beat or poke miserable old gits with spoons "? :)Or would that be deemed ageist,or moodist ?
krissyboy31 Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I'm not going to watch Saints again after hearing "you fat bastard chanted" at Parkin on Saturday, I can't believe we have such sizeist fans. That wasn't sizeist. It was stating a fact!
scott_saints Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 Also, the Cardiff and Swansea actually sing "sheep sh@ggers" about THEMSELVES, in the same way Spurs call themselves yids. It seems you must be one of the only Welshmen who take it seriously. Lighten up
Badger Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 The Cardiff game is coming up with all the chants of "sheep ****gers" etc. After the last few games against them I'll be giving this one a miss because as a Welsh man I have no wish to be sat amoungst people hurling abuse that is also insulting to me a Saints fan. I see no difference between this and making monkey noises and the like to black people. Does singing "ba,ba black sheep"* offend two minority groups for the price of one ? *or a variation on it
saint1977 Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 If you're going to call that 'racist' then surely you would have to put calling Pompey fans 'skates' etc. in the same bracket. I am surprised that being called a sheep****ger would cause any real emotional suffering for a Welshman. If you stand back and think about it, it is a ridiculous accusation, unless of course you do have relations with sheep. A group of Welshmen at a football match, I think they have a rough idea that they are going to get some stick, yet they keep coming back. It doesn't offend me as an Englishman when Cardiff or Swansea fans "Oh England, it's full of sh!t, oh England is full of sh!t, full of sh!t, sh!t and more sh!t" etc so don't see why some tired Sheep chants will offend them. We should sing "1-0 to the England" if we take the lead.
bungle Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I don't know about racist, but they are certainly incredibly dull and unfunny.
londonsaint1604 Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I see no difference between this and making monkey noises and the like to black people. Directing monkey noises at a black player is clearly racist abuse aimed at an individual and is disgraceful. Chanting 'sheep****gers' at several thousand cardiff fans who hear the same thing every week and often sing it back themselves when they score/are winning etc. is just part of the banter between sets of fans. I doubt most are genuinely offended by such nonsense unless they really do sexually abuse sheep.
sperm_john Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 its not racist and to those fans who were chanting we will never be mastered, i think its pretty fair to say as long as wales has existed its been mastered, but if they want to devolve like scotland then im all for it, less people claiming benefits
Jimmy Gabriel's Halo Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I think you'll find it's perfectly acceptable within a man-sheep marriage but I'm not sure about outside such wedlock. I went to college with a Welsh bloke many years ago and he freely admitted to the practice.
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 If you're going to call that 'racist' then surely you would have to put calling Pompey fans 'skates' etc. in the same bracket. I am surprised that being called a sheep****ger would cause any real emotional suffering for a Welshman. If you stand back and think about it, it is a ridiculous accusation, unless of course you do have relations with sheep. A group of Welshmen at a football match, I think they have a rough idea that they are going to get some stick, yet they keep coming back. Well, not all of them
Weston Super Saint Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I think it's absolutely sickening and shouldn't be tolerated at all whatsoever!!!111 Poor sheep being associated with the Taffies.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 The Cardiff game is coming up with all the chants of "sheep ****gers" etc. After the last few games against them I'll be giving this one a miss because as a Welsh man I have no wish to be sat amoungst people hurling abuse that is also insulting to me a Saints fan. I see no difference between this and making monkey noises and the like to black people. Have you ever had sex with a sheep? If the answer is no then I suggest you have nothing to worry about. p.s. My father is Welsh.
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 24 February, 2009 Posted 24 February, 2009 I don't know about racist, but they are certainly incredibly dull and unfunny. Pot Kettle You Bungle are the most dull and unfunny person on this forum. :roll:
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