Wotte on 5 live at 20.45

[Thedelldays]

It was an open secret around St Mary's and everyone including Pearson had heard that both Lowe and Wilde were not overly enamoured by him.

 

I think Wilde mentioned it to the SOS boys in the Spring and even as far back as that Central Hall meeting there was talk about Lowe & Wilde bringing their own men in.

 

Whilst Pearson was fighting the relegation battle he was aware that he could well be replaced, but maintained a dignified silence (at least in public).

 

 

oh, totally agree

 

and the same goes for wotte...this time he has some fans saying his apointment to the first team is a joke and knows crouch will bring his own man in..

 

this is another reason (along with others) as to why I dont think crouch is only good for a short term answer to lowe...only the fact it is not lowe...there is no way I would want him to hang around...in his short time with us he has made some pretty bad mistakes when glaring examples of how NOT to do it have been made before us all...he seems to get away with it on the basis he is a fan...

[RoswellSaint]

Yep it seems that way. First real evidence. Mostly hearsay before that.

 

From what Gemmel said, Wotte was approached to run the academy. Did he say JP was asked, in April, to become manager? If not, still not real evidence. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of how he handled Pearson, it would not be unreasonable to approach someone to see if they would be interested if the position became available. Just like Crouch apparently did a few weeks ago.

[L1Minus10]

FFS... does anyone honestly believe that the Dutch guys WEREN'T lined up. Of course they ****ing were. There was never a question of Pearson staying, it was not about money. End of story.

 

As for Wotte.. everything he has said regarding the football is spot on and has been since JP left. Whilst it was only one game, the tactical nous shown on Saturday was as good as anything since Hoddle was manager. All we can do is hope it continues.

 

You could tell for his first interview that he had much more about him than JP had. Also, 2000 protesters out of 15000 in the ground, even taking out the away fans is approximately 2000 out of 14000 which is a minority whatever way you look at it. I don't give a **** if the players don't like him as long as they respect what he says and I also don't give a **** if a majority of the supporters don't like him.

 

For the records, Rupert out, Wilde out...

[um pahars]

he said, April, then immediately, calmly (not panic conspiracy theorists!) corrected and said May I think it was.

 

He said (and I paraphrase):

 

last April Rupert asked me to join ....... April/May I think it was.

 

 

If you want to believe the bllsht about how and when Poortvliet and Wotte were appointed, when they were approached (cue Barcelona's post putting them with Van Der Waals in Southampton way before the end of the season) and why Pearson was dispensed with then you carry on in your dream world.

 

Just makes you look like a mug for listening to (and taking in) the propaganda put out by those currently running the Club.

[um pahars]

Just like Crouch apparently did a few weeks ago.

 

And if Crouch had come back and sacked Wotte and/or Poortvliet and said it was because of financial issues, then I would have called him a fcking bllshtter who should have the balls to put his name to his new appointment and not claim it was forced upon him and he had no choice due to financial issues.

[krissyboy31]

Yes he said April then realised what he had said and quickly changed it to May.

[Thedelldays]

And if Crouch had come back and sacked Wotte and/or Poortvliet and said it was because of financial issues, then I would have called him a fcking bllshtter who should have the balls to put his name to his new appointment and not claim it was forced upon him and he had no choice due to financial issues.

either way...wotte could be a dead man walking so to speak regardless of how he does..

 

same old same old IMO

[um pahars]

either way...wotte could be a dead man walking so to speak regardless of how he does..

 

same old same old IMO

 

Indeed, but with a caveat.

 

Crouch simply does not have the ability to decide Wotte's future in the same way that Lowe could with Pearson.

 

PS I presume Crouch doesn't rate Wotte, as his tirade was launched when Poortvliet was in situ (but saying I want a British manager somewhat rules Wotte out).

[Amesbury Saint]

battles and wars

 

battle - whether Wotte is the right manager

 

war - getting Lowe out

[NickG]

He said (and I paraphrase):

 

last April Rupert asked me to join ....... April/May I think it was.

 

 

If you want to believe the bllsht about how and when Poortvliet and Wotte were appointed, when they were approached (cue Barcelona's post putting them with Van Der Waals in Southampton way before the end of the season) and why Pearson was dispensed with then you carry on in your dream world.

 

Just makes you look like a mug for listening to (and taking in) the propaganda put out by those currently running the Club.

 

He said and I don't paraphrase!

 

"Last April, last year April.., May I think it was, that Rupert asked me to join Southampton after all as academy director." hth.

[NickG]

He said (and I paraphrase):

 

last April Rupert asked me to join ....... April/May I think it was.

 

 

If you want to believe the bllsht about how and when Poortvliet and Wotte were appointed, when they were approached (cue Barcelona's post putting them with Van Der Waals in Southampton way before the end of the season) and why Pearson was dispensed with then you carry on in your dream world.

 

Just makes you look like a mug for listening to (and taking in) the propaganda put out by those currently running the Club.

 

I reckon Lowe decided on him years ago.

[NickG]

And if Crouch had come back and sacked Wotte and/or Poortvliet and said it was because of financial issues, then I would have called him a fcking bllshtter who should have the balls to put his name to his new appointment and not claim it was forced upon him and he had no choice due to financial issues.

 

either way...wotte could be a dead man walking so to speak regardless of how he does..

 

same old same old IMO

 

which is why they are all as bad as each other and total new board ownership is preferable rather than the pathetic, childish tit for tat -from both sides.

[Alain Perrin]

It was an open secret around St Mary's and everyone including Pearson had heard that both Lowe and Wilde were not overly enamoured by him.

 

I think Wilde mentioned it to the SOS boys in the Spring and even as far back as that Central Hall meeting there was talk about Lowe & Wilde bringing their own men in.

 

Whilst Pearson was fighting the relegation battle he was aware that he could well be replaced, but maintained a dignified silence (at least in public).

 

To be honest though it is yet another example of this forum building a mountain out of a molehill.

 

1) Lowe knew he was coming in.

2) Lowe knew the finances were up the swanny.

3) Lowe thought that the best way to solve the finance problem was to play youth and ship out the high earners.

4) Lowe didn't think Nigel Pearson was the right man to get the best out of youth.

 

QED - he didn't want Pearson.

 

Finances in terms of manager wages probably had a small amount to do with it, finances in terms of what players the manager would have, even more.

 

Layer onto that the fact that Lowe's vision is/was the Ajax model, then, rightly or wrongly, there was only ever going to be one decision.

[SaintRobbie]

Not much there apart from making an issue about the supporters again.

 

The majority are still not happy Wotte not the minority.

 

Apart from that seems a pretty dull interview.

[Leslie Charteris]

Did you hear the comments about Pearson later on? The presenters were marvelling at Leicester's 12 point lead at the top of League 1 and at the banter between Pearson and Mandaric. Apparently Pearson gives Mandaric a hard time and won't be rolled over which Mandaric really respects.

 

Another reason why Pearson had to go? Who does Lowe really respect?

[NickG]

Not much there apart from making an issue about the supporters again.

 

The majority are still not happy Wotte not the minority.

 

Apart from that seems a pretty dull interview.

 

the issue being complimenting them and saying it is down to the team to do better to get more back?

[Micky]

To be honest though it is yet another example of this forum building a mountain out of a molehill.

 

1) Lowe knew he was coming in.

2) Lowe knew the finances were up the swanny.

3) Lowe thought that the best way to solve the finance problem was to play youth and ship out the high earners.

4) Lowe didn't think Nigel Pearson was the right man to get the best out of youth.

 

QED - he didn't want Pearson.

 

Finances in terms of manager wages probably had a small amount to do with it, finances in terms of what players the manager would have, even more.

 

Layer onto that the fact that Lowe's vision is/was the Ajax model, then, rightly or wrongly, there was only ever going to be one decision.

 

I have to say that I agree. No matter what you think of the current managerial set up, many on here are once again just using it as a cane to beat Lowe with. NP's contract had been fulfilled, and was, rightly or wrongly, terminated.

 

I wouldn't argue the fact that perhaps other candidates had been lined up - tapped up even. But hey - is that exclusive to SFC, or do all clubs do that sort of thing...???

 

Yes I would rather have NP right now - but those beating Lowe would do well to ask LC why he never got NP to sign a 5 year deal. Had he done so then perhaps money would have been the reason to keep him - Lowe wouldn't have been able to afford to pay him off.

[Weston Super Saint]

Is anyone really surprised?

 

Lowe announced Portvliet's appointment while he was still employed elsewhere.

 

It comes as no surprise he is also capable of 'tapping up'.

[Gemmel]

I have to say that I agree. No matter what you think of the current managerial set up, many on here are once again just using it as a cane to beat Lowe with. NP's contract had been fulfilled, and was, rightly or wrongly, terminated.

 

I wouldn't argue the fact that perhaps other candidates had been lined up - tapped up even. But hey - is that exclusive to SFC, or do all clubs do that sort of thing...???

 

Yes I would rather have NP right now - but those beating Lowe would do well to ask LC why he never got NP to sign a 5 year deal. Had he done so then perhaps money would have been the reason to keep him - Lowe wouldn't have been able to afford to pay him off.

 

Well if youre happy to be lied to then fine no problem. If you think your chairmans time is well spent holding interviews, knowing the position has already gone, not a problem.

As for why LC didn't give him a five year contract :rolleyes: I'll let you work that one out for yourself.

[NickG]

I have to say that I agree. No matter what you think of the current managerial set up, many on here are once again just using it as a cane to beat Lowe with. NP's contract had been fulfilled, and was, rightly or wrongly, terminated.

 

I wouldn't argue the fact that perhaps other candidates had been lined up - tapped up even. But hey - is that exclusive to SFC, or do all clubs do that sort of thing...???

 

Yes I would rather have NP right now - but those beating Lowe would do well to ask LC why he never got NP to sign a 5 year deal. Had he done so then perhaps money would have been the reason to keep him - Lowe wouldn't have been able to afford to pay him off.

 

agree, was it WGS who was lined up when someone else in post?

no surprise if it was sorted out a year ago, but it was to be acedemy director anyway.

 

Think some are wanting him to say something they can criticise him for, unfortunately he didn't, fairly run of the mill stuff and was pretty positive about the supporters.

[Alain Perrin]

Well if youre happy to be lied to then fine no problem. If you think your chairmans time is well spent holding interviews, knowing the position has already gone, not a problem.

As for why LC didn't give him a five year contract :rolleyes: I'll let you work that one out for yourself.

 

Lied to, and keeping options open are very different things. To be honest if Lowe didn't have a Plan B then I'd be more worried.

 

Interview Pearson and if he blows you away with his passion, ability and experience (and he agrees to work for less money) then great. No harm done.

 

Remember Lowe had Wotte and some bloke I don't remember lined up pre-Burley, and he didn't go with him then.

 

It's called good business.

[1965onwards]

Micky,when NP was appointed it was known that Lowe was coming back.

 

Crouch did the right thing and not lumbering the club (in financial difficulties ) with a manager that the incoming lot may not have wanted.

 

That is what is called being mature and responsible.

 

The exact opposite of Lowes childish petulant dismissal of NP,just because he was Crouchs appointment.

[NickG]

Micky,when NP was appointed it was known that Lowe was coming back.

 

Crouch did the right thing and not lumbering the club (in financial difficulties ) with a manager that the incoming lot may not have wanted.

 

That is what is called being mature and responsible.

 

The exact opposite of Lowes childish petulant dismissal of NP,just because he was Crouchs appointment.

 

no he didn't, he was publically stating in interviews that investment was coming in and holding them off, long after NP came in.

[Micky]

Well if youre happy to be lied to then fine no problem. If you think your chairmans time is well spent holding interviews, knowing the position has already gone, not a problem.

As for why LC didn't give him a five year contract :rolleyes: I'll let you work that one out for yourself.

 

Sorry - but I'm probably not as intelligent as you - I don't have a clue - please feel free to enlighten me.

 

BTW - I'm not so sure that he lied personally to me - as I said, I don't really think that SFC has exclusivity on doing business in such a manner - I really don't.

[Micky]

agree, was it WGS who was lined up when someone else in post?

no surprise if it was sorted out a year ago, but it was to be acedemy director anyway.

 

Think some are wanting him to say something they can criticise him for, unfortunately he didn't, fairly run of the mill stuff and was pretty positive about the supporters.

 

Nick - we all know that 'business' in football is not particularly done, how shall we say, 'decently'. I think though, that most involved in this business are the first to accept this. I really don't think that we did too much wrong to be honest.

[Micky]

Micky,when NP was appointed it was known that Lowe was coming back.

 

Crouch did the right thing and not lumbering the club (in financial difficulties ) with a manager that the incoming lot may not have wanted.

 

That is what is called being mature and responsible.

 

The exact opposite of Lowes childish petulant dismissal of NP,just because he was Crouchs appointment.

 

Sorry I would disagree with you there mate - I don't see how you can count Crouches actions as responsible & then blame Lowe for offloading a Manager that was out of contract and who he did not want in charge.

 

You cite the fact that LC did it for financial reasons - yet I could probably point you to 100's of posts on here saying that NP would of cost nowhere near the Dutch Duos / Trios wagebill.

 

I don't like the fact that he got rid of NP - but let's be honest - we made it easy for him to do just that.

[um pahars]

To be honest though it is yet another example of this forum building a mountain out of a molehill.

 

1) Lowe knew he was coming in.

2) Lowe knew the finances were up the swanny.

3) Lowe thought that the best way to solve the finance problem was to play youth and ship out the high earners.

4) Lowe didn't think Nigel Pearson was the right man to get the best out of youth.

 

QED - he didn't want Pearson.

 

Finances in terms of manager wages probably had a small amount to do with it, finances in terms of what players the manager would have, even more.

 

Layer onto that the fact that Lowe's vision is/was the Ajax model, then, rightly or wrongly, there was only ever going to be one decision.

 

Fair enough, with the exception of the bit in bold.

 

Lowe had never even met Pearson to discuss what his views were with regards playing youngsters what he would want etc before he had decided to go with Poortvliet.

 

He also ignored Pearson's many comments about the importance of youth teams and how they should blend in with the first team.

 

And it also looks bad in hindsight as Pearson had made judiscious use of loan signings and playing a large number of youngsters at leicester.

 

The decision was already made to replace Pearson and it was solely a footballing decision. No problem about that, that's Lowe's perogative. But he should have stopped bllshtting and had the balls to say it was.

 

The very fact that it was a fcking disaster is another debate altogether!!!

Edited 23 February, 2009 by um pahars

[JohnnyFartPants]

Sorry I would disagree with you there mate - I don't see how you can count Crouches actions as responsible & then blame Lowe for offloading a Manager that was out of contract and who he did not want in charge.

 

You cite the fact that LC did it for financial reasons - yet I could probably point you to 100's of posts on here saying that NP would of cost nowhere near the Dutch Duos / Trios wagebill.

 

I don't like the fact that he got rid of NP - but let's be honest - we made it easy for him to do just that.

 

How could fans have made it hard for him in any given situation, let alone pre season with no stadium to protest in/around etc?

[Micky]

How could fans have made it hard for him in any given situation, let alone pre season with no stadium to protest in/around etc?

 

Ummm good point JFP - but let's be honest we have the right to protest at any time that we wish - pre season, wtf cares...!!!

 

Actually though - when I said 'we' on my last thread I actually meant the last board members or in particular LC. Apologies for any confusion caused.

 

BTW pre-season protests - could be a good idea for practicing marching & protesting prior to the real protesting during the season - if you get my drift..!!!

[Fan The Flames]

Lowe was killling two ducks with one stone, getting his dream team in whilst slagging of the previous regimes financial acumen.

 

Its another back-firing Lowe stroke of genius.

[Wes Tender]

Well, regardless of when the whole thing was done, I'm really glad that I wouldn't renew my two STs until I knew that Pearson was to be allowed to continue. Having boycotted the last match and missed only my second home win of the season, I've got over the disappointment and feel like carrying on the boycott anyway. I'm now part of Wotte's small minority outside the stadium, but unfortunately for Lowe and the Quisling, also part of the very much bigger group who can't even be bothered to come anywhere near the stadium anymore until they have all gone.

[NickG]

real shame to lose fans, but judge on the football - which so far has been enough to keep people away, but if days like Saturday become the norm rather than the exception then this should bring people back

[Gordon Mockles]

Not really tdd, except confirmation of what we all knew anyway that Pearson didn't stand a chance and lowes and wildes meeting with him was just a whitewash.

 

Exactly! Hardly breaking news but the truth always finds a way of peering out (from beneath the web of lies spun by those current t*ssers attempting to run our football club).

 

It's cynically funny (not in a joyous way) & yet more evidence to highlight the totally moronic lack of football insight held by the power hungry Rupert , preferring to engineer insincere & disasterous publicity stunts which widen...& widen the gigantic gulf between Lowe, Wilde & the (in Lowe's eyes) contemptuous fans! Now, if Rupert had actually tried to engage the fans....

[offix]

Did he say ANYTHING interesting, apart from the when/how he was hired? Any more crap about real fans not protesting? Any info on tactics for the rest of season, team selection etc? Anything that sounded remotely like he had a mind of his own?

[alpine_saint]

He said (and I paraphrase):

 

last April Rupert asked me to join ....... April/May I think it was.

 

 

If you want to believe the bllsht about how and when Poortvliet and Wotte were appointed, when they were approached (cue Barcelona's post putting them with Van Der Waals in Southampton way before the end of the season) and why Pearson was dispensed with then you carry on in your dream world.

 

Just makes you look like a mug for listening to (and taking in) the propaganda put out by those currently running the Club.

 

Indeed. Personally I would be embarrassed about lapping up propaganda so readily..

[NickG]

Indeed. Personally I would be embarrassed about lapping up propaganda so readily..

 

there's not a single post on here saying they think it was all decided after NP left.

 

so no-ones embarassed (apart perhaps someone who only posts to bait?)

Edited 24 February, 2009 by NickG

[NickG]

Did he say ANYTHING interesting, apart from the when/how he was hired? Any more crap about real fans not protesting? Any info on tactics for the rest of season, team selection etc? Anything that sounded remotely like he had a mind of his own?

 

no real new insight. Only few mins, said right things about being confident of staying up, its down to them to play better to attract fans, was at reserve game last night but is now concentrating totally on first team.

 

The bit about fans was when directly asked whether he can insulate the players from the protest he said it was outside of the stadium so they don't see it and a minority of fans, but the fans they do see within the stadium have been excellent, support Saturday was great.

 

Said about being approached when GB got the job but then carried on his career until approached again to be academy director.

 

Was asked about dutch football - about it really.

 

Not particularly interesting or any new news but quite eloquent

[um pahars]

no real new insight. Only few mins, said right things about being confident of staying up, its down to them to play better to attract fans, was at reserve game last night but is now concentrating totally on first team.

 

The bit about fans was when directly asked whether he can insulate the players from the protest he said it was outside of the stadium so they don't see it and a minority of fans, but the fans they do see within the stadium have been excellent, support Saturday was great.

 

Said about being approached when GB got the job but then carried on his career until approached again to be academy director.

 

Was asked about dutch football - about it really.

 

Not particularly interesting or any new news but quite eloquent

 

You've just paraphrased what he said there, and there are a couple of lines where your recollection is different to mine.

 

I'm sure he said he is no longer involved in the Academy and is now overseeing the reserves and the first team only.

 

He also never used the word excellent with regards the fans support.

 

HTH

[JustMike]

FFS... does anyone honestly believe that the Dutch guys WEREN'T lined up. Of course they ****ing were. There was never a question of Pearson staying, it was not about money. End of story.

 

As for Wotte.. everything he has said regarding the football is spot on and has been since JP left. Whilst it was only one game, the tactical nous shown on Saturday was as good as anything since Hoddle was manager. All we can do is hope it continues.

 

You could tell for his first interview that he had much more about him than JP had. Also, 2000 protesters out of 15000 in the ground, even taking out the away fans is approximately 2000 out of 14000 which is a minority whatever way you look at it. I don't give a **** if the players don't like him as long as they respect what he says and I also don't give a **** if a majority of the supporters don't like him.

 

For the records, Rupert out, Wilde out...

 

seconded. He will be judged on results, but he needs to keep his trap shut with regards to the fans, just get on with the football stuff

[Gingeletiss]

well

 

wotte wont stand a chance IF crouch comes back

 

we knew that with lowe back then and know this of crouch...

 

two edges of the same sword..

 

 

Thought about this DD, and I disagree. IMHO, Crouch (If returned) would not make sacking Wotte his first priority. If he was a popular manager with fans and players alike, the I suspect he would stay.

 

Do not judge Crouch by Lowe's standards...that's like saying your Jonahs twin, or Johnnywet my pants by day.

[Gingeletiss]

Kind of makes lowe look a bit of a tit though doesn't it, with all the bull****e he came out with. I think he geniuinely believes we are all so thick we'll just believe anything he says

 

Some do!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Frank's cousin]

It was an open secret around St Mary's and everyone including Pearson had heard that both Lowe and Wilde were not overly enamoured by him.

 

I think Wilde mentioned it to the SOS boys in the Spring and even as far back as that Central Hall meeting there was talk about Lowe & Wilde bringing their own men in.

 

Whilst Pearson was fighting the relegation battle he was aware that he could well be replaced, but maintained a dignified silence (at least in public).

 

If it was an 'open secret' why was Pearson so surprised ? You have said previously, that Pearson was in the dark until that first meeting in May 23 with Lowe and heard he was not getting new contract on teletext... yet he retained a 'dignified silence' knowing he could be replaced... during teh relegation battle...sorry, this is confusing

 

Wilde mentioned to the SOS boys that 'IF' he were to join with Lowe, they were 'thinking' about bringing in a european coach - to try and build a sort of Ajax style seamlessness between academy and first team.... which when put in that context and in isolation did not sound like such a bad idea - the fact it turned out to be JP is another matter.

[um pahars]

And changing your post around, I'm not sure why it is so difficlut to undserstand

 

Wilde mentioned to the SOS boys that 'IF' he were to join with Lowe' date=' they were 'thinking' about bringing in a european coach - to try and build a sort of Ajax style seamlessness between academy and first team.... which when put in that context and in isolation did not sound like such a bad idea - the fact it turned out to be JP is another matter. [/quote']

 

Briefings to fans who post on the most salacious and gossipy internet is hardly keeping your plans close to your chest.

 

You have just clarified why it was such an open secret that Wilde and Lowe were not enamoured with Pearson and how they had plans to change things if they got back in.

 

If it was an 'open secret' why was Pearson so surprised ? You have said previously' date=' that Pearson was in the dark until that first meeting in May 23 with Lowe and heard he was not getting new contract on teletext... yet he retained a 'dignified silence' knowing he could be replaced... during teh relegation battle...sorry, this is confusing[/quote']

 

Pearson was so surprised, because following his meeting (about a week before his dismissal) he actually came out of the meeting positive and convinced he could work with Lowe and indeed that he would be kept on. There was nothing from that meeting that he felt indicated in any way that he would be kicked out a week later (indeed he believed that keeping us up and the positive vibes had rendered the earlier stories about him being replaced as obsolete).

 

So throughout all the speculation during that relegation battle, Pearson maintained a dignified silence and he got on with the job in hand, despite there being some very obvious doubts about his tenure if Lowe & Wilde replced Crouch.

 

I'm not really sure what is confusing about that. Maybe you want to elaborate on the parts you're struggling with???

[Thedelldays]

Thought about this DD, and I disagree. IMHO, Crouch (If returned) would not make sacking Wotte his first priority. If he was a popular manager with fans and players alike, the I suspect he would stay.

 

Do not judge Crouch by Lowe's standards...that's like saying your Jonahs twin, or Johnnywet my pants by day.

but he said that he has his OWN british manager lined up and would not stay in the room during the AGM when jan came in...

 

hmmmm...hardly inspiring really

[The Rover]

Pearson was so surprised, because following his meeting (about a week before his dismissal) he actually came out of the meeting positive and convinced he could work with Lowe and indeed that he would be kept on. There was nothing from that meeting that he felt indicated in any way that he would be kicked out a week later (indeed he believed that keeping us up and the positive vibes had rendered the earlier stories about him being replaced as obsolete).

 

Has Pearson actually said this to anyone publicly?

 

It seems pretty certain that Lowe had decided on Wotte and Poorto well before he took over again. I just wondered whether he really is so devious and underhand that he would give Pearson completely the wrong impression about his future.

 

Maybe he'd had enough of getting shiners from managers he was letting go.

[NickG]

You've just paraphrased what he said there, and there are a couple of lines where your recollection is different to mine.

 

I'm sure he said he is no longer involved in the Academy and is now overseeing the reserves and the first team only.

 

He also never used the word excellent with regards the fans support.

 

HTH

 

I did paraphrase as it seemed someone wanted a summary! Why is everything a battle on here?

 

He did praise the fans - can't remember whether excellent was the word but it is recorded if its that important?

 

Again, without listening again (and it wasn't that interesting last night!) now he said he had been to the reserves but thought he said he was now concentrating on first team?

[NickG]

seconded. He will be judged on results, but he needs to keep his trap shut with regards to the fans, just get on with the football stuff

 

agree with him being judged on the results but it can only be a good thing him praising the support.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Thought about this DD, and I disagree. IMHO, Crouch (If returned) would not make sacking Wotte his first priority. If he was a popular manager with fans and players alike, the I suspect he would stay.

 

Do not judge Crouch by Lowe's standards...that's like saying your Jonahs twin, or Johnnywet my pants by day.

 

Do pipe down you knackered old ginger fossil.

[Gingeletiss]

but he said that he has his OWN british manager lined up and would not stay in the room during the AGM when jan came in...

 

hmmmm...hardly inspiring really

 

 

But surely that was in respect of the whole of Lowe's setup..ie Portaloo!!!. I'm trying to say, and let's surmise here. Let's say we survive this season, and Wotte wins ten matches, the fans think he's the next best thing since sliced bread, and the players think the sun shines out of his a*se............then if Crouch took over in the summer, regardless of what he said last year, IMO (note that bit!), Crouch would not be so egotistic, as to get rid of a popular manager.

[JohnnyFartPants]

but he said that he has his OWN british manager lined up and would not stay in the room during the AGM when jan came in...

 

hmmmm...hardly inspiring really

 

This is the bit that HairDiseaseLeTiss can't grasp. He considers everything in black and white. Crouch is a disaster that happened and is waiting to happen again if given the chance. Lowe, Crouch and Wilde are all below par and not good enough to be running this club, but the one basic fact in all this is that one, perhaps two or maybe one day, all three of them will have to unless someone buys them out.

 

So once you have allowed that to sink into your head, you then have to come to the conclusion that a choice has to be made from a very limited list. For me, it has to be Lowe. It doesn't mean I love him but it does mean I recognise that he has more of an idea than Wilde and Crouch.

 

Everytime Crouch opens his mouth he says something that a dim fan would like to hear. He doesn't always explain how it will be achieved but he does say pretty things.