trousers Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I suspect we haven't heard the last of McCloughlin and Jackson if we were to go into administration.....Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire Saint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 OK. Lets look at recent evidence. Lowe likes to give the outward impression of being calm and in control...........So I would guess MC has been 'threatened' by Lowe's attitude and personality. F*cking hell, are you Morse or something? The evidence that you provide is so overwhelming that you need to guess that she has been threatened? Get a grip. No smoke without fire? As I said earlier... no smoke without fire? Yes, that's how life works. Someone says something, fails to back it up, but the fact that it is said means it may well be true. I didn't want to say this, but someone (mention no names, but it is a member of this board) told me that SaintRobbie is a **************. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Be careful Wiltshire Saint. That's not on. I've also spoken to somebody who felt that maybe SaintRobbie liked ****************, but I think we should just leave it at that though. It was only a comment and he should explain it himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I suggest you both edit those posts. ****ing out of order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Any chance someone could post these infamous Runnymede minutes on here? I am, afterall, the only person in the known Universe who hasn't seen them. Thanks awfully. Actually your not - but if they are half as professionally produced as a certain 'Blueprint for Success' paper that was also posted, then they were probably drafted by a GCSE grade F student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I suspect we haven't heard the last of McCloughlin and Jackson if we were to go into administration.....Discuss.McLoughlin reads this site. Jackson does as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 McLoughlin reads this site. Jackson does as well. Just as long as we're spared their postings (and even worse PM's!!!). I've still got some beauties that I read now and then to give me a chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 McLoughlin reads this site. Jackson does as well. Really? Hopefully they'll catch this then. F*ck off you pair of timewasting, bullsh*tting, tw*ts. ps. (Hope the photocopying business is treating you well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Just as long as we're spared their postings (and even worse PM's!!!). I've still got some beauties that I read now and then to give me a chuckle.Doubt they paid their £5 so no PM. Actually I disabled mine today. Those I know well have my home email address or mobile number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Really? Hopefully they'll catch this then. F*ck off you pair of timewasting, bullsh*tting, tw*ts. ps. (Hope the photocopying business is treating you well).Actually last time I was in contact they hated each other with a passion just like Lowe & Wilde di.......oh sht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 F*cking hell, are you Morse or something? The evidence that you provide is so overwhelming that you need to guess that she has been threatened? Get a grip. Yes, that's how life works. Someone says something, fails to back it up, but the fact that it is said means it may well be true. I didn't want to say this, but someone (mention no names, but it is a member of this board) told me that SaintRobbie is a **************. LOL! You totally misread me. The 'evidence' refers to Lowe in general in his responses to various incidents over the years. The anecdotal evidence is from MC about this incident. As I said I don't know either way but given the reactions by Lowe in the past to various incidents it would seem to be something well within his capability - whether he has or not I don't care. Please note the question mark by the way. Also as I have said - all this really shows is that the senior shareholders can never work with each other. Thats important. It means we need to remove one half and go with another or totally replace the lot. Latter prefered, former will do as a temporary measure. Also, someone on this board told me Wiltshire Saint is a nice, polite bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Be careful Wiltshire Saint. That's not on. I've also spoken to somebody who felt that maybe SaintRobbie liked ****************, but I think we should just leave it at that though. It was only a comment and he should explain it himself. LOL! Actually I find with some tomato sauce **************** is ok. Prefer chips with it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Actually last time I was in contact they hated each other with a passion just like Lowe & Wilde di.......oh sht. I presume these Action Points 1) Lowe to decide if he can serve on a Board with Wilde 2) Wilde to decide if he can serve on a Board with Lowe will be replaced with these ones: 1) Jackson to decide if he can work with McCloughlin post administration. 2) McCloughlin to decide if he can work with Jackson post administration 3) Barry Beardall to issue accounts 4) Beckham to be contacted ASAP 5) New photocopier needed in ticket office ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 What evidence? Rumour and hearsay - feck all else... No not just rumour and hearsay, over the years there have been quite a few substantiated stories of Lowe screaming at people, that makes him a bully in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junction 9 Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 No not just rumour and hearsay, over the years there have been quite a few substantiated stories of Lowe screaming at people, that makes him a bully in my book. Have there? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 No not just rumour and hearsay, over the years there have been quite a few substantiated stories of Lowe screaming at people, that makes him a bully in my book. ...but didn't he once get beat up by a bird? ...or the wife of an ex-manager as the 'story' goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I wish Lowe would try to threaten and physically intimidate me, rather than women. But thats probably Lowe all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Have there? Where? Junction come on. There have been lots of these sorts of reports about Lowe over the years. We shouldnt be surprised at this accusation from MC. Trouble is unless he does it to you or I we cant safe for definite can we? Its a reoccuring theme when Lowe's under pressure or challenged. Next thing we know he'll be saying that the Doncaster train picture is more important than Lawrie Mac and the FA Cup.... oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 I wish Lowe would try to threaten and physically intimidate me, rather than women. But thats probably Lowe all over. whatever turns you on! not into that sort of thing myself;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 ...but didn't he once get beat up by a bird? ...or the wife of an ex-manager as the 'story' goes Didnt know that. Which manager's wife MIGHT it have been alehouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 ...but didn't he once get beat up by a bird? ...or the wife of an ex-manager as the 'story' goes Ah the old "Hockey Injury!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Read as many of these posts as I could whilst ignoring the usual inflammatory guff from the usual suspects. Bottom line is Duncan was misguided at best to post the details of a presumably private conversation that when read has quite a serious accusation levelled at Lowe but equally seriously there is a suggestion that Corbett couldn't cut it her role further evidenced by the 'due diligence' fiasco on Wilde. The club needed strong directors exec and non-exec and there will always be times when things can become heated and IMO its a sign of weakness if that makes you feel intimidated - it shouldn't be the case but its a fact of life and like in politics its a sad fact of life women are still in the minority of the decision and policy makers in all walks of life and need to be even tougher than their male counterparts. (I'm not saying that is right but IMO it is remains largely true) Now its out there Duncan should clarify the context of this quote as the accusation or connatation is serious and I doubt he would welcome a private message being posted in the same manner if he was the alledged subject of such talk. I agree with NickH a certain amount of poetic licence by Duncan and/or Corbett was used but either way the comments must be clarified or preferably retracted. Having said that, with the greatest of respect Jonah I don't know what you hoped to achieved by starting this thread and perhaps your purpose would have been better served by private message to Duncan or registering your complaint with the forum owners under the 'Acceptable terms of use Policy'. If you know Duncan's comments to be untrue then I expect you may have been able to deal with the damaging nature of this issue without broadcast in the public domain. 2 wrongs generaly don't make a right. Sad state off affairs by one all to be honest and proves why there needs to be one very big broom through the corridors of power in SMS and other members of staff or closely connected people where it can be proven have tried to seek advantage for their cause or undermine the current board with such dressed up, emotive rubbish. Duncan surely a historian needs to be balanced in his view of history and get the story from both sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Sad state off affairs by one all to be honest and proves why there needs to be one very big broom through the corridors of power in SMS and other members of staff or closely connected people where it can be proven have tried to seek advantage for their cause or undermine the current board with such dressed up, emotive rubbish. QUOTE] crumbs .... I actually agree with what you have posted above! roll on the big broom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Having said that, with the greatest of respect Jonah I don't know what you hoped to achieved by starting this thread and perhaps your purpose would have been better served by private message to Duncan or registering your complaint with the forum owners under the 'Acceptable terms of use Policy'. If you know Duncan's comments to be untrue then I expect you may have been able to deal with the damaging nature of this issue without broadcast in the public domain. 2 wrongs generaly don't make a right. Agree totally. There are so many much more important issues to discuss on this forum, that this is truly the biggest mountain made out of the smallest molehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Duncan surely a historian needs to be balanced in his view of history and get the story from both sides? The last time I checked, Duncan hadn't published a book on here;) He's got an opinion, be it good, bad, bllocks or indifferent. He's a fan and he's entitled to espouse it on here (as is everyone). When I read one of the Hagiology books (the ones you thought were boring in your last guise) I expect some balance, some facts and quality, but the last time I checked Granty wasn't undertaking a quality control test on the posts on here. If you haven't got the ability to discern for yourself what goes up on here, then you really shouldn't be on here in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 23 February, 2009 Share Posted 23 February, 2009 Agree totally. There are so many much more important issues to discuss on this forum, that this is truly the biggest mountain made out of the smallest molehill. This always get claimed on here, where is the mountain. All I see is a few people consolidating their view that Lowe is bad for the club and a few defending him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 There's something that has intrigued me for some time. A lot of bad stuff has been posted on here regarding Lowe, and we've heard from multiple sources (I think) that he keeps in touch with the forum - either directly or through minions. We've also heard - and seen - that he has a litigious streak. So why hasn't he acted on one or more the more damaging accusations/stories? Even just to send a shot across the bows and slow the ship down. It has happened at other clubs (Sheff Wed, I think). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 I agree entirely with the various points of view about intimidation. I've seen a fair amount of it and don't like being near it. It's a fine point as to what stage intimidation becomes 'physical' to those being indimidated. The thread has kept Duncan's statement rolling along now for far longer than required, in my opinion, but then,isn't that what this is about, opinions. Moving on to the investment debate. Various points have been put forward. I was recently musing, as I'm sure others have too, about a course of action if suddenly sufficient funds becam available to bail out the club. On current prices a rough calculation of approx. 4.2 million is the share value, allowing another 2 mill for premium on large share holdings brings it to 6.2 plus players to strengthen and bits here and there the total is already up there. Would anyone in there right mind put that, even as a 'Uber Fan', amount of money into a club with either Lowe, Wilde or Crouch even remotely connected with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 The Runnymede minutes in late 2007 showed that Lowe would be willing to serve on the board again (they even had him down as Director Of Football!!!!). . THink there is a difference between 'willing' and wanting - I suggest he became more 'willing' when he felt he wanted more control over the destiny of his shares following the realisation that takeovers were pipedreams fuelled by bullsh!tters. NO different from why Wilde did the about turn, Crouch in effect cut him adrift, and Mikey wanted a say in what happened both to his shares + an interest in JF.... the only way to get that was by joining Lowe. So Crouch left the door open for Lowe's return? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 There's something that has intrigued me for some time. A lot of bad stuff has been posted on here regarding Lowe, and we've heard from multiple sources (I think) that he keeps in touch with the forum - either directly or through minions. We've also heard - and seen - that he has a litigious streak. So why hasn't he acted on one or more the more damaging accusations/stories? Even just to send a shot across the bows and slow the ship down. It has happened at other clubs (Sheff Wed, I think). It's because he's totally in my pocket, or perhaps he doesn't concern himself with the utterings of a few fans amongst a forum of a couple of thousand, most of which are nowhere near SMS on a Saturday. I don't really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 It's because he's totally in my pocket, or perhaps he doesn't concern himself with the utterings of a few fans amongst a forum of a couple of thousand, most of which are nowhere near SMS on a Saturday. I don't really know. you may be right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 LOL, Duncan plays this forum like a well worn fiddle. A little snippett of "inside information", leave 'em hanging, light the blue touch paper and retire and watch the fun unfold from a distance. If a Lowe PR plant had pulled such a stunt he would have been ripped aprt on here, but a Crouch/Corbett plant get the hornet's nest all stirred up adding further weight to his agenda. Dontch just love plants? Better than Eastenders this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 What like - I'm going to kill you You Kicked my Dog! You Bas**rd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 There's something that has intrigued me for some time. A lot of bad stuff has been posted on here regarding Lowe, and we've heard from multiple sources (I think) that he keeps in touch with the forum - either directly or through minions. We've also heard - and seen - that he has a litigious streak. So why hasn't he acted on one or more the more damaging accusations/stories? Even just to send a shot across the bows and slow the ship down. It has happened at other clubs (Sheff Wed, I think). If he sued somebody for accusing him of being intimidating, or even that some felt "threatened" by his behaviour, he would probably be aware that the queue to verify that allegation would be a mile long. People like Keith Wiseman have said as much and there are other credible witnesses who would love the opportunity to give their views on this in court. Lowe would get a roasting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 (and even worse PM's!!!) Are those the ones about Vialli as manager ? The marina development from the Meridian Studios to Ocean Village ? The 40p a share offer from SISU ? Crouch & Wilde will proxy their shares and Lowe will sell to 3 Americans giving them a 56% holding in the club ?........ Great times indeed, if only a small percentage of it had come to fruition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 McLoughlin reads this site. Jackson does as well. Is either of them LifeLongMilk(saint)? Cant remember those names but I know there have been several chancers that tried to use this site in the past. just trying to keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Sad state off affairs by one all to be honest and proves why there needs to be one very big broom through the corridors of power in SMS and other members of staff or closely connected people where it can be proven have tried to seek advantage for their cause or undermine the current board with such dressed up, emotive rubbish. Duncan surely a historian needs to be balanced in his view of history and get the story from both sides? Totally agree. Although, I think all Duncan is suggesting is an interim move towards that. A clean sweep IS needed but has to be done in stages to maintain just a little consistency on day to day running matters. Lowe & Wilde have to go thats a given by almost everyone. Assuming we start there, there will be need for a chairman and probably a CEO inthe meantime. Crouch is the usual suspect mentioned, and although I'd hate him to do it inpetuity, provided he came in with an agenda to bring in a CEO and then search for a buyer (a la SISU) I would back his temporary appointment. I think thats what Duncan wants too from what I can make out. A clean sweep is needed, but if a single buyer and his team cant be found (nobody's looking by the way) then a staged removal of the culprits of this demise is totally logical. Either way it has to start with Lowe - the catalyst of disaster and division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Duncan surely a historian needs to be balanced in his view of history and get the story from both sides? Didnt he used to be the clubs Historian till he fell out with Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 LOL, Duncan plays this forum like a well worn fiddle. A little snippett of "inside information", leave 'em hanging, light the blue touch paper and retire and watch the fun unfold from a distance. If a Lowe PR plant had pulled such a stunt he would have been ripped aprt on here, but a Crouch/Corbett plant get the hornet's nest all stirred up adding further weight to his agenda. Dontch just love plants? Better than Eastenders this!!! I wonder about that. The tone of his posts seems to reflect frustration as much as calculation to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Lowe would get a roasting. Eurgh.....don't think I want to see that thanks...keep it in the dorms. Mind you, change the wording to 'foooked over' (in a business sense) and I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Is either of them LifeLongMilk(saint)? Cant remember those names but I know there have been several chancers that tried to use this site in the past. just trying to keep up. Ahhhh the good old days... Tommac (or was it Immac?) LifelongSaint...or is it Cherrypip still...or TERRAvision now...(he could go for Weymouth) Oh, many a day wasted reading those two on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 I wonder about that. The tone of his posts seems to reflect frustration as much as calculation to me. To be fair though - Duncan is honest about his agenda - or has been on more than one occaision so it should come as no surprise that he will fight his and teh CRouch/Corbett corner - what is surprising in this case is that it seems quite an extreme tactic for him - I would not have expected such a Low(e) blow. The ambiguity with which that statement was left open is whats most concerning because whatever we think of Lowe, noone really deserves to have mud slung without substantial evidence and this is sadly just gossip and hearsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 TERRAvision now...(he could go for Weymouth) Lol. That's exactly what I was thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Totally agree. Although, I think all Duncan is suggesting is an interim move towards that. A clean sweep IS needed but has to be done in stages to maintain just a little consistency on day to day running matters. Lowe & Wilde have to go thats a given by almost everyone. Assuming we start there, there will be need for a chairman and probably a CEO inthe meantime. Crouch is the usual suspect mentioned, and although I'd hate him to do it inpetuity, provided he came in with an agenda to bring in a CEO and then search for a buyer (a la SISU) I would back his temporary appointment. I think thats what Duncan wants too from what I can make out. A clean sweep is needed, but if a single buyer and his team cant be found (nobody's looking by the way) then a staged removal of the culprits of this demise is totally logical. Either way it has to start with Lowe - the catalyst of disaster and division. What I can make out about Duncan is that he is a passionate fan that wants what he thinks is best for the club. I have no problem in that and going back a while he came accross much better than he does today. I think he has got frustrated and I also think that the information he has been fed has fueled his frustration. As the ex-club historian I would expect him to come across at least trying to remain impartial but I think he has been played and chosen a side. Now he even exagerates comments he is privvy to and has lost some of the respect he had IMO. I still like to read his posts but I kind of glaze over when reading some of them just as I do when reading extreme pro-Lowe posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 To be fair though - Duncan is honest about his agenda - or has been on more than one occaision so it should come as no surprise that he will fight his and teh CRouch/Corbett corner - what is surprising in this case is that it seems quite an extreme tactic for him - I would not have expected such a Low(e) blow. The ambiguity with which that statement was left open is whats most concerning because whatever we think of Lowe' date=' noone really deserves to have mud slung without substantial evidence and this is sadly just gossip and hearsay.[/quote'] Have to agree FC with regards to the tactic. But that again makes me read frustration into what he's doing. That may be being fed by Crouch/MC? I don't know, but there are not many prepared to take risk to expose Lowe in the same way he has - i.e. with a degree of credibility. I think he's frustrated, can see a solution and has therefore turned to more aggressive tactics. As I recall he seemed pretty convinced that Lowe had a plan to take over the club upon administration - or at best consolidate a further increase in his share holding...may be he sees this as a last ditch attempt to prevent that. Whatever his ways he is certainly worried about Lowe, and from someone who has a more intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the club on and off the pitch than most AND the fact that unlike you or I he is not anomymous, makes me wonder whether he isnt on to something. May be he'll post something today instead of reading this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 I think he has got frustrated and I also think that the information he has been fed has fueled his frustration. As the ex-club historian I would expect him to come across at least trying to remain impartial but I think he has been played and chosen a side. Now he even exagerates comments he is privvy to and has lost some of the respect he had IMO. . Jay, that's exactly what I would have expected too. The fact he ISNT and has sided so convincingly against Lowe and for MC/Crouch is thus interesting. He's no fool, he - like all of us - can make his own mind up, but his is based on more info than we get. I think we should all question his tactics but consider his motives and solution, which seems to me to be far better than allowing Lowe to continue to take and drive the club down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Would it be wrong of me to say that I don't really give a stuff what mary has to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Would it be wrong of me to say that I don't really give a stuff what mary has to say? Well, you are entitled to that view JFP, I was thinking more along the lines of, what has happened to our previous directors including Patrick Trant????? Not a word.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 I was thinking more along the lines of, what has happened to our previous directors including Patrick Trant????? Not a word.... What can't speak can't lie, best he remain silent imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 24 February, 2009 Share Posted 24 February, 2009 Would it be wrong of me to say that I don't really give a stuff what mary has to say? LOL.......talk about the pot name calling.:roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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