SaintRobbie Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 He won't be here next season. I think - and hope - you're right. He will slivver away in the summer back to Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Pearson was a hard worker who got the team motivated, fit and made us hard to beat almost instantly. He got the best out of what he had. He brought in some players on the cheap, 3 of which turned out to be amongst our best that season. He gave chances to players like Lallana and Licka who had been frozen out under Burley, and both contributed to the cause. Ultimately he took over a team in freefall and kept us up. I think we were 10th in the form table under Pearson's reign. Wotte on the other hand is just a Dutch Steve Wigley, with no experience of the English game other than 6 months watching Poortaloo f**k it up. He picks the wrong teams and comes out with garbage like Saga hasn't contributed anything in recent game when DMG is still on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Pearson was a hard worker who got the team motivated, fit and made us hard to beat almost instantly. He got the best out of what he had. He brought in some players on the cheap, 3 of which turned out to be amongst our best that season. He gave chances to players like Lallana and Licka who had been frozen out under Burley, and both contributed to the cause. Ultimately he took over a team in freefall and kept us up. I think we were 10th in the form table under Pearson's reign. Wotte on the other hand is just a Dutch Steve Wigley, with no experience of the English game other than 6 months watching Poortaloo f**k it up. He picks the wrong teams and comes out with garbage like Saga hasn't contributed anything in recent game when DMG is still on the pitch. DMG MUST have some clause in his contract that he has to play, he really must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Wotte on the other hand is just a Dutch Steve Wigley. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 (edited) I hope he does better than Pearson. Despite her hero status on here by many he actually didn't do that well. He did just enough. 3 wins in 13 hardly set the world alight did it? As for Wotte slagging off the fans. I believe he made comment about some fans, not all. Any manager would want the club to pull together at a time like this wouldn't they? The bloke has only just taken over. Let's give him time before we decide that he needs to be lynched too shall we? Edited 21 February, 2009 by sadoldgit correcting grammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I've wanted to give Wotte the benefit of the doubt since he took over, but I've only just read his commenrts about the march on the OS. It's not often I get genuinely angry reading things on the OS, but I thought that was darn right patronising, especially after all the hard work that Conner fella has put into organising it. We need a new generation of fans for the future of this club and for the manager to slag them off isn't really going to help attract them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I hope he does better than Pearson. Despite her hero status on here by many he actually didn't do that well. He just just enough. 3 wins in 13 hardly set the world alight did it? As for Wotte slagging off the fans. I believe he made comment about some fans, not all. Any manager would want the club to pull together at a time like this wouldn't they? The bloke has only just taken over. Let's give him time before we decide that he needs to be lynched too shall we? I think we're all bored of giving Lowe's decisions time. They ALWAYS fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I think we're all bored of giving Lowe's decisions time. They ALWAYS fail. Like Dave Jones, or Glen Hoddle, or Gordon Strachan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I think - and hope - you're right. He will slivver away in the summer back to Holland. What if he does a good job and turns things round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Like Dave Jones, or Glen Hoddle, or Gordon Strachan. Yep, I must have dreamed that we made a cup final, Europe and our highest Premiership position under Lowe. Things were so awful then weren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Yep, I must have dreamed that we made a cup final, Europe and our highest Premiership position under Lowe. Things were so awful then weren't they? Don't get me wrong, I don't want Lowe here, but people just go so over the top when saying he has done nothing right for this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I hope he does better than Pearson. Despite her hero status on here by many he actually didn't do that well. He just just enough. 3 wins in 13 hardly set the world alight did it? As for Wotte slagging off the fans. I believe he made comment about some fans, not all. Any manager would want the club to pull together at a time like this wouldn't they? The bloke has only just taken over. Let's give him time before we decide that he needs to be lynched too shall we? And that's all I would ever ask from any manager in our present situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 What if he does a good job and turns things round? You think so? I think he's arguably the most unpopular manager since Branfoot and he's only been in charge for a few games. I think he's made too many enemies of the fans now. If he continues half will wish him well, half will wait for him to fail and make it worse for him. He's like Lowe, damned if he does, damned if he doesnt... and with those credentials has to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Yep, I must have dreamed that we made a cup final, Europe and our highest Premiership position under Lowe. Things were so awful then weren't they? and he then screwed it up continually thereafter. And still screws it up. And has no faith as a result. What a way to run a club - a bloke who everyone regards as a loser, a confirmed liar, a man who puts in nothing and takes alot and has no connection with Southampton but for the fact it has made him into a somebody rather than a nobody businessman. A man who's very presence deters investment from outside that could save this club. It's made him into a somebody because he has FAILED and continues to FAIL. And we keep him on. Why? WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 and he then screwed it up continually thereafter. And still screws it up. And has no faith as a result. What a way to run a club - a bloke who everyone regards as a loser, a confirmed liar, a man who puts in nothing and takes alot and has no connection with Southampton but for the fact it has made him into a somebody rather than a nobody businessman. A man who's very presence deters investment from outside that could save this club. It's made him into a somebody because he has FAILED and continues to FAIL. And we keep him on. Why? WHY? It hasn't all been failure and no club our size is immune to this stuff, Lowe or no Lowe. Take a look at Charlton, the team that many of her were saying we should emmulate a few years ago. We did incredibly well to stay in the Prem for as long as we did and a lot of that was down to the Board at the time. But every year you wondered if this would be the year we go down. Finances play a bigger and bigger part of football and if you don't earn the big bucks you are stuffed. The climate where a young and and coming manager like McMenemy can come to a "small" club and take them to the heights has long since vanished. Even the famous 'Arry threw in the towel in two prestigious competitions to try and keep his team in the Prem. If teams like Spurs struggle how we ever going to thrive long term, Lowe or no Lowe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 And that's all I would ever ask from any manager in our present situation. Agreed, so lets give Wotte time to see if he can do just enough before we hang him out to dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Points per game - Jones 1.18 Pearson 1.14 Branfoot 1.11 Branfoot was vilified and Pearson is a hero. So the price of failure is .03 of a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Points per game - Jones 1.18 Pearson 1.14 Branfoot 1.11 Branfoot was vilified and Pearson is a hero. So the price of failure is .03 of a point? The circumstances are different. There's more to it than just stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 DMG MUST have some clause in his contract that he has to play, he really must. There's no such thing. More likely Lowe has just told Poortaloo/WTF that we are trying to shift the other strikers at the club and DMG is the only one he can rely on being available. Points per game - Jones 1.18 Pearson 1.14 Branfoot 1.11 Branfoot was vilified and Pearson is a hero. So the price of failure is .03 of a point? Branfoot didn't take over 1 hour before his first game. Saints weren't in freefall having just been beaten by Bristol Brovers. Branfoot wasn't asked to turn a teams fortunes around in 13 games without ANY money to spend on transfer fees. Branfoot didn't make the most of the players available. Pearson wasn't the football equivalent of John Major and never tried to sell Matty to Liverpool in a part ex. with some gimp who I'd never heard of before or since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 February, 2009 There's no such thing. More likely Lowe has just told Poortaloo/WTF that we are trying to shift the other strikers at the club and DMG is the only one he can rely on being available. There is such a thing as a non-playing release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 There is such a thing as a non-playing release clause. I'd say there is a difference between none-playing and must play. The way I see it, a none-playing contract could be that he gets to leave on a free if he plays less than say 15 games in a season. The idea that DMG must play every game is just stupid IMO. People said the same about Euell last season, but this year he has scarcely played and hasn't been released. I think it's just could old fasioned favouritism TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Agreed, so lets give Wotte time to see if he can do just enough before we hang him out to dry. There is no time left................or do you believe he will win all the remaining matches?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 The circumstances are different. There's more to it than just stats I agree, but it is still a bit of an eye opener when you look at what people have achieved and how they are viewed....and I am ceratinly not advocating that points haul was the only reason that Branfoot was unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 There is no time left................or do you believe he will win all the remaining matches?? No I don't believe that we will win all of our remaining matches Ginge, but until we are mathematically down there is time to save ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scottie Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 There's no such thing. More likely Lowe has just told Poortaloo/WTF that we are trying to shift the other strikers at the club and DMG is the only one he can rely on being available. Branfoot didn't take over 1 hour before his first game. Saints weren't in freefall having just been beaten by Bristol Brovers. Branfoot wasn't asked to turn a teams fortunes around in 13 games without ANY money to spend on transfer fees. Branfoot didn't make the most of the players available. Pearson wasn't the football equivalent of John Major and never tried to sell Matty to Liverpool in a part ex. with some gimp who I'd never heard of before or since. To make it a fair comparison you should take into account which division we were in at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 There is no time left................or do you believe he will win all the remaining matches?? He doesnt need to. 19 points from 15 games will be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chi saint Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 Right, I'm probably going to get castigated for this, but I'm not sure that Wotte is that different to Pearson. They've both taken over at roughly the same time, both seem to be disciplinarians. The only difference is that Wotte seems to be a thoroughly dislikeable chap, but maybe that's what we need. Pearson had next to no experience playing or managing in the Championship, probably a similar amount to Wotte. By all accounts we played well at Bristol City last week, and were unfortunate. Perhaps, just perhaps, we may do alright under him. The issue is that if he has the same record as the mercurial Pearson, we'll go down, and he'll be blamed. Fickle fans eh. Personally I think we're down, not because of the managers, just because our team is not good enough player for player. I said it before I think Wotte might just might get us to stay up and yes I agree he seems similar in style to Pearson in that he doesn't seem to want to please everyone and will give the players some stick if needed. As for his latest comments about fans, whilst not as astute as Pearson in that regard, I suspect that he knows that anything he does is unlikely to find favour with the fans as he's seen as RL's man so doesn't care that much. He must realise the only chance he has to win fans round is through results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I said it before I think Wotte might just might get us to stay up and yes I agree he seems similar in style to Pearson in that he doesn't seem to want to please everyone and will give the players some stick if needed. As for his latest comments about fans, whilst not as astute as Pearson in that regard, I suspect that he knows that anything he does is unlikely to find favour with the fans as he's seen as RL's man so doesn't care that much. He must realise the only chance he has to win fans round is through results. I am not so sure there was a lot of "the fans were great today" quotes from Wotte on Radio Hampshire after the match. Fans are fickle some were even raving about JP after the friendlies then were calling for his head later. Its a results business...win and the fans are happy that proved it in the stands today. 100% support for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 21 February, 2009 Share Posted 21 February, 2009 I hope he does better than Pearson. Despite her hero status on here by many he actually didn't do that well. He did just enough. 3 wins in 13 hardly set the world alight did it? As for Wotte slagging off the fans. I believe he made comment about some fans, not all. Any manager would want the club to pull together at a time like this wouldn't they? The bloke has only just taken over. Let's give him time before we decide that he needs to be lynched too shall we? While editing to correct "grammer" the least you could do was spell grammar correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 March, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Sorry, I have to say I was wrong on this one, Wotte is far better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Spot on. lol, glad i saw that. still saintsweb's official rain man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Sorry, I have to say I was wrong on this one, Wotte is far better... Which (again) begs the question....Who convinced Lowe not to go with Wotte at the helm from day 1? Wotte himself? Van der Waals? The more we win under Wotte the more explaining there is to do IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 The more we win under Wotte the more explaining there is to do IMHO Absofckinglutely!!!! Wotte's fine performances just highlight the appalling decision taken last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 just logged on, yeeeeehawwwww, im going to the pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 or maybe a lot better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Absofckinglutely!!!! Wotte's fine performances just highlight the appalling decision taken last year. FFS, just enjoy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 FFS, just enjoy it. I'm doing both. i.e. enjoying the here-and-now at the same time as being frustrated about the past, multi-talented chap that I am.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 FFS, just enjoy it. As if I'm not, you incorrigle person (Micky is that the right word;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 I'm doing both. i.e. enjoying the here-and-now at the same time as being frustrated about the past, multi-talented chap that I am.... But you do know the thought police will not allow that. Feb 2009 is the new Year Zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 While editing to correct "grammer" the least you could do was spell grammar correctly. Given that Wotte has managed in 3 games what Pearson took 13 to do, I think my spelling is not such a great deal do you Wes? I just feel for Um Pahars, his nephew and Alpine tonight, oh, and the club historian. They had all written off Wotte before he had warmed the head coaches chair. They must be gutted. Still a long way to go but despite his apparent dodgy hair, being Dutch and being despised by the players, he hasn't done too badly has he??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 I'm doing both. i.e. enjoying the here-and-now at the same time as being frustrated about the past, multi-talented chap that I am.... I've no problem with history informing what we do in the future, that's sensible. It just seems to me that certain posters are so obsessed by the past they almost forget that the present is happening. Unless we are adopting a one manager, one chairman policy, then we're going to see some good appointments and bad appointments under a chairman's tenure. At the moment Wotte seems to be working, so all power to him. JP didn't work, but perhaps the youth-centric approach he had let us save money that is paying for Euell / Saga without driving us to administration? I will still credit him with some of the exciting football I've seen at St Mary's for a long time (some rubbish too mind!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Given that Wotte has managed in 3 games what Pearson took 13 to do, I think my spelling is not such a great deal do you Wes? I just feel for Um Pahars, his nephew and Alpine tonight, oh, and the club historian. They had all written off Wotte before he had warmed the head coaches chair. They must be gutted. Still a long way to go but despite his apparent dodgy hair, being Dutch and being despised by the players, he hasn't done too badly has he??? Steady SOG... ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Given that Wotte has managed in 3 games what Pearson took 13 to do, I think my spelling is not such a great deal do you Wes? I just feel for Um Pahars, his nephew and Alpine tonight, oh, and the club historian. They had all written off Wotte before he had warmed the head coaches chair. They must be gutted. Going over old ground here but comparing Wotte's tenure with Pearson's isn't like-for-like. When Wotte took over the 'head coach' badge from Poortvliet he wasn't starting cold from square one. As for writing off Wotte, it would appear that someone convinced Lowe to write him off as head coach nearly a year before folk on here did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Given that Wotte has managed in 3 games what Pearson took 13 to do, I think my spelling is not such a great deal do you Wes? I just feel for Um Pahars, his nephew and Alpine tonight, oh, and the club historian. They had all written off Wotte before he had warmed the head coaches chair. They must be gutted. Still a long way to go but despite his apparent dodgy hair, being Dutch and being despised by the players, he hasn't done too badly has he??? LOL, good on ya for pwning UP. He's the first to be trawling through the archives when he's "proven" someone wrong... where are ya UP? I bet you re-adjust your stance to "fair play to Wotte, but he's got to keep us up now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Wotte is never be the same level as Nigel Pearson because Wotte is bloody good and better than Nigel Pearson!!!!! I think Wotte is the new Gordon Strachan. They are both arrogrant but can both plenty of games for us. Nigel Pearson only got three wins but he had a much better squad than we have today, but he only kept us up in the second half of the last game. He is good but not brillant, he should have done more with the resources he had. Wotte got three wins in a row already, with a much weaker squad but he is a tatics expert, playing a 442 diamond with all the players even the subsitutes reach their full strength. We have a new triangle up front, Saganowski, Euell and Mcgoldrick. We have a new solid back line that got one of the best keeper in this division, the best attacking full back and one of the best centre back partnership in this division. Any team in this division fancy to try our team is good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 At the moment Wotte seems to be working, so all power to him. Yep. Totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 As if I'm not, you incorrigle person (Micky is that the right word;)) I don't doubt you are, we all are. It just seems that all of your posts need to have a caveated dig at Lowe / JP / Nickh etc. 3 wins on the bounce is a good reason for putting politics (of whatever flavour) on the shelf in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 3 March, 2009 Share Posted 3 March, 2009 Going over old ground here but comparing Wotte's tenure with Pearson's isn't like-for-like. When Wotte took over the 'head coach' badge from Poortvliet he wasn't starting cold from square one. As for writing off Wotte, it would appear that someone convinced Lowe to write him off as head coach nearly a year before folk on here did... No he wasn't starting cold, but he was starting form a lower base. I also think you would accept that Pearson inherited a better squad than Wotte. Irrespective of what happened before, it is what happens now and until the end of the season that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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