St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 It counts and he was accountable. The records will say that too. Indeed the record books will show it that way. But anyone who believes he was accountable for it is a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Indeed the record books will show it that way. But anyone who believes he was accountable for it is a ****. anyone who thinks wotte was picking the team/making the subs when jan was in charge is also a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Do you think that putting Rasiak out on loan with Stern John was because they thought McGoaldrick would score more goals? That shows a total lack of knowing what is going on at all. The share price is not in the slightest bit an issue. If he wanted a high value they could have borrowed more dosh and bought decent players, thus having a high shareholders price but more debt. They have chosen to trim the wage bill, letting decent players go in order to stay afloat. We are afloat but not performing as well, hence the price has dropped. It was never going to be a huge shock. Listen...life is full of 'what if's'... How about this one then.... What if we hadn't have signed Gasmi, Pulis, Smith, Molyneux and instead used the money saved on their signing on fees, agents fees, wages etc on JUST ONE of Rasiak or John?? The fact that McGoldrick has been No1 choice upfront all season shows a lack of effective management from top to bottom... Why have we not tried Jason Euell upfront? Why have we not played BWP upfront instead? Why have we not played Lallana upfront instead? All of those were already here - so your argument against using Rasiak and John doesn't hold water. We have had players here all season as alternatives and guess what?? We are still using McGoldrick as the goal machine to get us out of trouble. Irrespective of the thoughts that Lowe told McG he would be No1 at the start of the season....from the player himself. Hmmm who's deciding the team and the ones out on loan again??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 (edited) Unbelievable that there are actually apologists on here for him on this board. "I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " You cannot tell me that he is not insulting Saints fans! Only Ru**rt's f@cking PR plants would argue anything else. Classic case of "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck - must be a duck"! edited Edited 20 February, 2009 by offix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 so in summary, lets go tomorrow and support the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 anyone who thinks wotte was picking the team/making the subs when jan was in charge is also a **** Nobody has said that Wotte came in with JP to transform the club into what it is now. He helped to create tactics, training schedules, player roles and more importantly advised JP on what players to use. He had direct involvement with selecting which players to bring into the club and what personel to bring in. Wotte as you try to imply had not just arrived at this club, he was our sort of director of football mixed with being reserve team boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Indeed the record books will show it that way. But anyone who believes he was accountable for it is a ****. Not really. It could be argued another way. You wish to take an early game that Pearson (greatest English manager) would have lost anyway off his tally so that his record reads better than it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Unbelievable that there are actually apologists on here for him on this board. "I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " You cannot tell me that he insulting Saints fans! Only Ru**rt's f@cking PR plants would argue anything else. Classic case of "looks like a duck, quacks like a duck - must be a duck"! doesn't help when people make up stuff - attention seeking threads saying anyone who goes to march is not a true fan. I can read -he didn't say that, the vast majority of the article over two pages in very reasonable talking about training and asking for continued support. Get over Lowe obsessions in every thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Nobody has said that Wotte came in with JP to transform the club into what it is now. He helped to create tactics, training schedules, player roles and more importantly advised JP on what players to use. He had direct involvement with selecting which players to bring into the club and what personel to bring in. Wotte as you try to imply had not just arrived at this club, he was our sort of director of football mixed with being reserve team boss. maybe he will use the players in a different way than jan and get beter results..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Nobody has said that Wotte came in with JP to transform the club into what it is now. He helped to create tactics, training schedules, player roles and more importantly advised JP on what players to use. He had direct involvement with selecting which players to bring into the club and what personel to bring in. Wotte as you try to imply had not just arrived at this club, he was our sort of director of football mixed with being reserve team boss. thought his role was youth and preparing them towards first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Listen...life is full of 'what if's'... How about this one then.... What if we hadn't have signed Gasmi, Pulis, Smith, Molyneux and instead used the money saved on their signing on fees, agents fees, wages etc on JUST ONE of Rasiak or John?? The fact that McGoldrick has been No1 choice upfront all season shows a lack of effective management from top to bottom... Why have we not tried Jason Euell upfront? Why have we not played BWP upfront instead? Why have we not played Lallana upfront instead? All of those were already here - so your argument against using Rasiak and John doesn't hold water. We have had players here all season as alternatives and guess what?? We are still using McGoldrick as the goal machine to get us out of trouble. Irrespective of the thoughts that Lowe told McG he would be No1 at the start of the season....from the player himself. Hmmm who's deciding the team and the ones out on loan again??? Listen.... Life is full of "what if's"... What if we did it your way and instead of buying cover in different places we just kept one high goalscorer who then got injured? Glad you were not in charge to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 thought his role was youth and preparing them towards first team? i thought lowe pickef the team..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 maybe he will use the players in a different way than jan and get beter results..? still waiting for those better results DD...what excuse if we get nothing tomorrow... How long before 'We were unlucky' gets trotted out as an excuse eh?? Who was the last one to use that in interviews?? Ah yes, I remember, Jan Poortvliet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 maybe he will use the players in a different way than jan and get beter results..? Then why wasn't he advising JP to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 still waiting for those better results DD...what excuse if we get nothing tomorrow... How long before 'We were unlucky' gets trotted out as an excuse eh?? Who was the last one to use that in interviews?? Ah yes, I remember, Jan Poortvliet. he has been here incharge for 4 games ffs... and he is only ONE WHOLE POINT worse off than pearson football genius so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Then why wasn't he advising JP to change? because Jan was first team coach and Wotte youth/reserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 and maybe he was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Pearson was appointed the manager the evening before the game, didn't have time to see the players let alone take a training session. The match day it was agreed he would let Dodd and Gorman pick and manage the team for that game and he would observe. To credit him with that game is laughable. That is like saying a guy who takes a new job at a bank that just posted £11bn loss the day after he joined is to blame for it. Pearson had zero to do with the Plymouth game and saying it should count is sad really. Wotte was here from the 1st day we went dutch. He came in as a duo with JP, he had a lot of say in what way the club was going. Again to try and compare that with Pearson is laughable. Noticed Delldays has failed to respond to this post :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Listen.... Life is full of "what if's"... What if we did it your way and instead of buying cover in different places we just kept one high goalscorer who then got injured? Glad you were not in charge to be honest. Buying cover in many places is fine...if they actually contribute to the squad... How many games have they played combined?? It says a lot when they can't even displace some of the worst Saints Squad in living memory. My way would have had probably 10 more points on the board already.. Of course I forgot, when we all said we had a weak squad that needed more experience in it at the start of the season, we were wrong then weren't we??? Rupert knows best. How foolish of me to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 anyone who thinks wotte was picking the team/making the subs when jan was in charge is also a **** But he did have 210 days or so to watch them, train with them etc., as opposed to half a day, you pillock. And if Pearson had started this season we would have had a manager from day 1 who knew a fair bit about the squad - and who, without a SHADOW of a doubt, would have won more than 1 home game out of 16. Wotte's remarks are condescending and inaccurate, rude, unnecessary, counterproductive, nonsensical (e.g. "are they waiting for us to go down" - no, you idiot, they are marching NOW!). He certainly hasn't got a clue PR-wise, I just hope for the fans' sake he does have slightly more of a clue about organising a football team - which is what he is actually paid and to do, and is what, surely, he should be spending 100% of his time doing. Wotte - sort it! You've talked the talk - now do the other bit!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 lol jesus..all he is asking for is support...lol like most managers would say It's sad that this is not the reaction by most to his callling for support ....lol indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I hate Wotte the bigheaded know all Dutch prat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I hate Wotte the bigheaded know all Dutch prat. ahhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 doesn't help when people make up stuff - attention seeking threads saying anyone who goes to march is not a true fan. I can read -he didn't say that, the vast majority of the article over two pages in very reasonable talking about training and asking for continued support. Get over Lowe obsessions in every thread He didn't say that? Are you completely bonkers? I just went back to the article on-line and pasted is below for your convenience again: He said: “I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 He didn't say that? Are you completely bonkers? I just went back to the article on-line and pasted is below for your convenience again: He said: “I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " well, are they..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 However, they are not in any sense behaving as fans of Saints. The obsession with Lowe is absurd. Of course he isn't a very nice bloke and has a huge ego. He is a capitalist businessman for F$%Js sake! Of course it would be better if the club was collectively owned and run like Barcelona. However, that can be debated at some time in the future. No real alternative to Lowe CURRENTLY exists. Certainly not Crouch who is an arrogant idiot with a huge ego who also ran us almost into administration. No the current need really is to get behind the TEAM - you know the players wearing the shirts. Anything else isn't just irrelevant - it runs the danger of distracting people; of undermining the atmosphere in the stadium. The original idea of marching away from the stadium was a good one but it would be better if they just went a lot further and stayed away for much longer - say the next 30 years or so. problem is though, we are expected to turn up and support the lads every game, only to see us play badly, lose and get called not real fans by a 3rd rate boot cleaner. The whole club stinks at the moment, from lowe and his bad bad choices (again) of "managers" down to the 2nd part of this ridiculous experiment. It will make no difference if we get 26,000 + inside st marys, we will still be crap because of the crap tactitcs and team selections (especially under JP) so dont come on here spouting off saying that the ONLY people wanting to do something instead of sitting on the hands whilst our club heads towards L1 should stay away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 he has been here incharge for 4 games ffs... and he is only ONE WHOLE POINT worse off than pearson football genius so far difference was there though was that NP got the team playing as a team, installed fight and belief in them and the fans for that matter. all wotte is doing is pushing some fans further away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 He didn't say that? Are you completely bonkers? I just went back to the article on-line and pasted is below for your convenience again: He said: “I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " This bloke really does love himself. I don't know who he thinks he is, but he's got no future at SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Ahhhh...now I know why he's here...he'll be such an asset in League One. Wotte's been spending too much time in the mirror...Rupey must be well pleased by all this though, finally has someone on board who makes more gaffes than him. As for the argument that fans want Admin so we can remove Lowe, may I just turn that round for you and ask you this.... When we go down (which we will based on current form) and Rupey Baby leads us into Administration, will it still be the fans' fault then? Will it?? Or will it be the Boardroom leadership who were convinced that an unproven forward led by an unproven management team could score more goals than Rasiak and Stern John . The fans are staying away because they have been dispirited to see their team lose at home week after week year after year. While the fans can raise the team what happens on the pitch is down to the players and manager. They get plenty of support in the ganes I have been to. All those Lowe luvvies trying to blame the fans is truly laughable. Their arguement appears to be we know you dont like the board but hey you have no choice just keep turning up and remember to cheer The fans have voted with their feet and they know who is to blame. They dont want anything to do with this farce anymore Rupert the great helmsman will have us on the rocks for the second time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 well, are they..? Perhaps you need to listen to the support at SMS to decide for yourself?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Shut up, Leon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 well, are they..? Those who are openly protesting and speaking out against the dismantling of the club by the current regime are showing more heart, determination AND love for the club than those of you sticking your head in the sand like nothing is happening and asking stupid questions like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I hate Wotte the bigheaded know all Dutch prat. I like him if only for what I have highlighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Those who are openly protesting and speaking out against the dismantling of the club by the current regime are showing more heart, determination AND love for the club than those of you sticking your head in the sand like nothing is happening and asking stupid questions like that! why on earth do you think I am sticking me head in the sand..? I remember the utterly farking pathetic coments on here about how "great, fair and (the best one) exciting" the CCC is...? I was totally against that when was shouted down...Living in plymouth I see the real CCC that was outside of the parachute payments and warned against the comments like that i mention...and yes, I was shouted down.. I predicted that we would do well to stay up this year (along with plymouth with their crap manager) and guess what..? I WAS SHOUTED DOWN on here so believe me, my head is firmly out of the sand and has been all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I like him if only for what I have highlighted. It's no suprise that you and the resident matelot think the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Those who are openly protesting and speaking out against the dismantling of the club by the current regime are showing more heart, determination AND love for the club than those of you sticking your head in the sand like nothing is happening and asking stupid questions like that! Very few, if any are sticking their heads in the sand imo, its about effectiveness of the effort. Those, who are in a financial and logistical position to attend games but have chosen not to due to their obsession with who sits in the chair have contributed to the clubs financial demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 why on earth do you think I am sticking me head in the sand..? I remember the utterly farking pathetic coments on here about how "great, fair and (the best one) exciting" the CCC is...? I was totally against that when was shouted down...Living in plymouth I see the real CCC that was outside of the parachute payments and warned against the comments like that i mention...and yes, I was shouted down.. I predicted that we would do well to stay up this year (along with plymouth with their crap manager) and guess what..? I WAS SHOUTED DOWN on here so believe me, my head is firmly out of the sand and has been all along So, do you think Wotte is doing a better job than Billy Davies would do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Wotte was here from the 1st day we went dutch. He came in as a duo with JP, he had a lot of say in what way the club was going Indeed... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7547806.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Very few, if any are sticking their heads in the sand imo, its about effectiveness of the effort. Those, who are in a financial and logistical position to attend games but have chosen not to due to their obsession with who sits in the chair have contributed to the clubs financial demise. I hope you're right. I'm boycotting to deprive the Lowe PLC of money so if what you are saying is correct i'm very proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 why on earth do you think I am sticking me head in the sand..? I remember the utterly farking pathetic coments on here about how "great, fair and (the best one) exciting" the CCC is...? I was totally against that when was shouted down...Living in plymouth I see the real CCC that was outside of the parachute payments and warned against the comments like that i mention...and yes, I was shouted down.. I predicted that we would do well to stay up this year (along with plymouth with their crap manager) and guess what..? I WAS SHOUTED DOWN on here so believe me, my head is firmly out of the sand and has been all along I think I disagreed with you at the start of the season as I thought we would be safe and thought the same about Plym. Dont think I shouted you or anyone else down though. And doesnt mean you can be sucha smart arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 It's no suprise that you and the resident matelot think the same. Because we both wore the Queens uniform in a position that meant we had to pass a few exams and show a working brain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 why on earth do you think I am sticking me head in the sand..? I remember the utterly farking pathetic coments on here about how "great, fair and (the best one) exciting" the CCC is...? I was totally against that when was shouted down...Living in plymouth I see the real CCC that was outside of the parachute payments and warned against the comments like that i mention...and yes, I was shouted down.. I predicted that we would do well to stay up this year (along with plymouth with their crap manager) and guess what..? I WAS SHOUTED DOWN on here so believe me, my head is firmly out of the sand and has been all along Okay, well then there's only one possible conclusion: Your question, asking if the protesters actually want the club to fail, shows the same kind of disrespect for Saints fans that Wotte showed in the article. So your head is not "in the sand", I accept that. It simply must be empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 So, do you think Wotte is doing a better job than Billy Davies would do? no I wanted davies when most on here hated him (and they very much did) but we dont have davies we have wotte who has been incharge of the the match days for 4 whole games... so on that note, I will refrain from going mental at every quote and tear it apart and make it fit into my views and see if he will get us out of trouble as he aint going anywhere now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I hope you're right. I'm boycotting to deprive the Lowe PLC of money so if what you are saying is correct i'm very proud. 'Lowe PLC' thats over stating his position somewhat, when has 6% translated into ownership ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Okay, well then there's only one possible conclusion: Your question, asking if the protesters actually want the club to fail, shows the same kind of disrespect for Saints fans that Wotte showed in the article. So your head is not "in the sand", I accept that. It simply must be empty. why? because I dont share the default view that you have..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Because we both wore a Queens uniform ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Indeed... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7547806.stm Apparently we aren't supposed to let the [conveniently forgotten] facts stand in the way of a good manhunt!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 So, do you think Wotte is doing a better job than Billy Davies would do? At the beginning of the season I didnt want BD and wanted a manager that got his team playing footy on the ground, fast with lots of passing. I was unsure if JP could do that but supported the idea that he was that type of manager and hoped he would do the business. So with our team I thought JP would be a better choice than BD. Hindsight tells me I was probably wrong and I think BD would have done better than JP. Wotte has had 4 games in charge with a team that BD would struggle to get a win out of. Bit early to say who would do better but of those 4 games I would say I think they would be even. BD couldnt have turned our shower of sh1t into anything better than what it is in 4 games. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Because we both wore the Queens uniform in a position that meant we had to pass a few exams and show a working brain? yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 At the beginning of the season I didnt want BD and wanted a manager that got his team playing footy on the ground, fast with lots of passing. I was unsure if JP could do that but supported the idea that he was that type of manager and hoped he would do the business. So with our team I thought JP would be a better choice than BD. Hindsight tells me I was probably wrong and I think BD would have done better than JP. Wotte has had 4 games in charge with a team that BD would struggle to get a win out of. Bit early to say who would do better but of those 4 games I would say I think they would be even. BD couldnt have turned our shower of sh1t into anything better than what it is in 4 games. IMO. Why is everyone so hung up on the 4 games in charge? He [and his influence] has been here ALL season! Most people on here were predicting that JP would go and be replaced by Wotte, and we would continue our demise for the rest of the season. It's the only thing we've all agreed on this year!!! I fail to see how it can surprise people that our form is continuing in the same vein as it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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