um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 5 points minimum off safety for a team that can't win at home and can't score goals!! Taxi for Wotte and Lowe!!! Effectively 6 points from safety due to goal diffference and even then Watford have a game in hand (and have us at home). As results go that was a fcking mare of an evening!!!!!!!!!!
buctootim Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Tonights results appear to mean a(nother) nail in the SFC coffin.... Not necessarily. Plymouth are fading badly. Even if Saints dont go on a reasonable run (and I think we will) it will still be five teams (Norwich, Plymouth, Charlton, Notts Forest and us) slugging it out to avoid the three places. Even then theres still 52 points to play for and only 5 from safety
Greenridge Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Not necessarily. Plymouth are fading badly. Even if Saints dont go on a reasonable run (and I think we will) it will still be five teams (Norwich, Plymouth, Charlton, Notts Forest and us) slugging it out to avoid the three places. I admire your confidence Tim, mine has all but been sapped from my body..
SamKimish Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 We will walk League 1, it will be much more fun. Even with our impending point deduction for going into administration?
buctootim Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I admire your confidence Tim, mine has all but been sapped from my body.. I wouldnt say confidence exactly. More quiet, hopeful optimism mixed with desperation .....
CB Fry Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Not necessarily. Plymouth are fading badly. Even if Saints dont go on a reasonable run (and I think we will) it will still be five teams (Norwich, Plymouth, Charlton, Notts Forest and us) slugging it out to avoid the three places. Even then theres still 52 points to play for and only 5 from safety Only five from safety? That is a huge number of points to be behind. We'll need to win three in a row to make any real headway and we're just not going to do it. Plymouth are still seven points ahead of us.
buctootim Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Only five from safety? That is a huge number of points to be behind. We'll need to win three in a row to make any real headway and we're just not going to do it. Plymouth are still seven points ahead of us. On paper weve got a stronger team now than the first half of the season. A few goals from Saga could make all the difference.
egreog Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Bottom line is Saints need a winning run til the end of the season and frankly its not gonna happen..........there is no will to win or spirit with these no hopers.........relegation will be sealed before the end of march............other teams are scrapping for results.......... Saints don't have that in their character.........could look very dire by 5pm on Saturday!
Thedelldays Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 (edited) just got back from the plymouth v palace game plymouth are very much going down...talk about farking shyte palace were nothing special..scannell was OK and claude davis was a huge lump this was a great spectacle in HOOOOOF ball one thing of note, the palace fans were singing to luggy "you're getting sacked in the morning" and it seemed thousands of plymouth fans joined in....and he is their most successful manager OF ALL TIME.. LOL@ those who thought sturrock would have done well at us... oh, guess when and who against plymouth last won a game...lol Edited 17 February, 2009 by Thedelldays
saintsdan Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Bottom line is Saints need a winning run til the end of the season and frankly its not gonna happen..........there is no will to win or spirit with these no hopers.........relegation will be sealed before the end of march............other teams are scrapping for results.......... Saints don't have that in their character.........could look very dire by 5pm on Saturday! It cedrtainly could be, Saturday's fixtures include Barnsley v Charlton Blackpool v Watford Forest v Derby So at least 3 of those sides wil pick up points!!
Ludwig Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Watford are definitely staying up, they were really good tonight and Brendan Rodgers is improving them no-end.
saintsdan Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Bottom line is Saints need a winning run til the end of the season and frankly its not gonna happen..........there is no will to win or spirit with these no hopers.........relegation will be sealed before the end of march............other teams are scrapping for results.......... Saints don't have that in their character.........could look very dire by 5pm on Saturday! It certainly could be, Saturday's fixtures include Barnsley v Charlton Blackpool v Watford Forest v Derby So at least 3 of those sides wil pick up points!!
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Even then theres still 52 points to play for and only 5 from safety You need to take 10 points to play for off of your total to play for and probably add one to your points from safety given our inferior goal difference. And given we have only amassed 9 points from the last 14 games, then a six point cushion to overhaul starts to look increasingly worrying. We need 6 points just to overhaul Watford (the only positive there is that we do have to play them - away -, but that could also be the death of us). But they do have a game in hand. We need 7 points just to overhaul Forest (the only positive being we have to play them - away -, but that could also be the death of us). We probably need 8 points just to overhaul Plymouth, and we do have a game in hand. And of course all that assumes Charlton perform worse than us and we manage to overhaul Norwich who have an effective 5 point cushion on us, but we do have a game in hand. Whichever way I look at those stats, even with 42 points still to play for it doesn't make good reading.
rallyboy Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Like the last relegation we won't be able to complain about it when it comes sometime in early-april (admin aside) We couldn't beat Swansea as Watford have, and if you lose at home to the teams around you then you ain't unlucky. The only thing that astonishes me is that we are still mathematically in touch with anyone, but we all know the truth of it. Yes, on paper a couple of wins would give us hope but we know that a couple of wins would require a fricking miracle!!! Cutting through the chaos at the bottom, forget Donnie, Forest, even Watford and Barnsley, they have too many points for us, our only hope is 1. to stay ahead of Charlton - a very tall order. 2. To overhaul Norwich, that may be possible with a U turn in form. 3. And finally, for Plymouth not to find form when they change manager as they must - that is unlikely, they will demonstrate to us what can be achieved with a change of coaching set up when you are in trouble. For me that makes our chances of survival VERY slim. Go on Mr Wotte and players, prove me wrong you useless t2ssers. PLEASE!
Thedelldays Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 oh...and having just witnessed the car crash that is plymouth argyle tonightl....at least I will keep my "local" game next season... result..!!!
Tamesaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 On paper weve got a stronger team now than the first half of the season. A few goals from Saga could make all the difference. A few goals from Saga.... I am sure that Saga could get them. But will he be allowed to play under the "Revolutionary Coaching setup"? Wotte seems to regard McGoldrick as being higher in the pecking order. He replaced Saga at Bristol 15 mins from the end. I agree that Saga could do it for us... but will Wotte even play him ???
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 A few goals from Saga.... I am sure that Saga could get them. But will he be allowed to play under the "Revolutionary Coaching setup"? Wotte seems to regard McGoldrick as being higher in the pecking order. He replaced Saga at Bristol 15 mins from the end. I agree that Saga could do it for us... but will Wotte even play him ??? Apparently he's not been productive in recent games:rolleyes::smt048:rolleyes::smt048
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 oh...and having just witnessed the car crash that is plymouth argyle tonightl....at least I will keep my "local" game next season... result..!!! Glad you think that is a result! Presumably tongue in cheek but at the end of the day it aint funny.
Badger Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 oh...and having just witnessed the car crash that is plymouth argyle tonightl....at least I will keep my "local" game next season... result..!!! I expect Plymouth will act to stem their downward spiral by sacking Luggy,after - what is it now - a nine game run without a win.Don't think we can rely on Argyle taking our deserved relegation place (although I realise you don't either judging from last comment)
Mole Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I've been saying we'd be relegated as soon as i knew captain calamity aka Rupert Lowe was returning. We are now effectively down and we will be relegated with at least 3 games left. RIP SFC and fook you Michael Wilde for making it happen.:mad:
Leslie Charteris Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Never mind what Plymouth, Charlton or any of the other teams do. We have to win 7 or 8 of the remaining 14 games to have any real hope of staying up. On current form, that's about as likely as an asteroid strike - and if that happened, at least we wouldn't care!
St Marco Posted 17 February, 2009 Author Posted 17 February, 2009 We need 6 points now to get out of the relegation zone. With Charlton playing Barnsley at the weekend we have to win against Preston or we could be bottom. Awful results for us and another nail in the coffin.
Eddie Moliano Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Yet our team of superstars will no doubt be out on the lash come the evening of Saturday's defeat.
Lets B Avenue Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Just seen Leon Best score for Coventry wearing a protective face mask. Surely not another chip related incident?
Legod Third Coming Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 On paper weve got a stronger team now than the first half of the season. A few goals from Saga could make all the difference. And that's the problem, we don't play on paper, we play on grass, where we are pants.
fanimal Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 At least next season we can get to Wembley in the Johnstones Paint Final....!!!!
gjphilsaint Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 At least next season we can get to Wembley in the Johnstones Paint Final....!!!! probably get knocked out in the prelims to Kettering/Yeovil... or any other team who we play first... but still the team needs to gel under new manager Gorre
sidthesquid Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Interestingly Rasiak not in the Watford squad at all & John taken off at half-time by Bristol City Depending on your point of view - proof that they were never worth the ludicrous sums we paid (still are paying them) or a waste of 2 goalscorers hcdajfu Personally I'm with the former
um pahars Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Interestingly Rasiak not in the Watford squad at all & John taken off at half-time by Bristol City Depending on your point of view - proof that they were never worth the ludicrous sums we paid (still are paying them) or a waste of 2 goalscorers hcdajfu Personally I'm with the former Both 20 a season scorers for us (the latter in a relegation threatened team), who IMHO proved their worth when they were used correctly by us. What we would give for a 20 a season scorer this time around.
sidthesquid Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Both 20 a season scorers for us (the latter in a relegation threatened team), who IMHO proved their worth when they were used correctly by us. What we would give for a 20 a season scorer this time around. Absolutely. My point was really that both of them, like Saga seem to start off somewhere with a bang and go out with a whimper, and we signed all three for a long and expensive whimper
um pahars Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Absolutely. My point was really that both of them, like Saga seem to start off somewhere with a bang and go out with a whimper, and we signed all three for a long and expensive whimper John finished the season on fire and Poortvliet and/or Lowe never gave him a chance to carry on. Told he could leave, cold shouldered (I even think the lad on loan to Bournemouth go the nod ahead of him at one point) and marginalised, it was our decision to let him go with a whimper. Saga and Rasiak were terribly managed by Burley last season. After signing both of them, he consigned them to the subs bench and failed to get the best out of them. Players have to take some responsibility, but if there's one example of how much of an impact a poor manager can have on a team (in addition to Poortvliet, of course) then Burley's usage of players and tactics before he jumped ship would be up there with the best of them.
saint1977 Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Absolutely. My point was really that both of them, like Saga seem to start off somewhere with a bang and go out with a whimper, and we signed all three for a long and expensive whimper Have a look at their scoring records Sid. Granted, we pay them a lot more than McG but no goals and sunday league upfront = relegation. We could at least have replaced them with lower level CCC players or League 1 even. McG wouldn't even get a game at Oxford or Crawley. We had to loan one of Rasiak/John out and I accept that but to then loan Saga out too and tell McG he was the main striker - a player that was already alleged to have attitude problems, had been homesick and hadn't scored in 19 games at Port Vale last season - that's idiotic.
Window Cleaner Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Shît results all round. Can you trust no-one these days?
Ponty Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Shît results all round. Can you trust no-one these days?
trousers Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Latest: Ipswich 2 Forest 1 Derby 2 Blackpool 1
StuRomseySaint Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Just had an Ice Lolly, not sure if I will have a beer now or a coffee, work in the morning, after all.
trousers Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 So, mixed evening then. Derby heading off the radar but Forest still in our sights.
Ponty Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Is that one single result going our way this week?
trousers Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Three Brit Awards for Duffy. What's the world coming to?
StuRomseySaint Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Decided to have a beer, now it is just a choice between San Miguel or Brahma by the bottle or a can of Carling. I think I will go for the Carling as you get more in there.
trousers Posted 18 February, 2009 Posted 18 February, 2009 Decided to have a beer, now it is just a choice between San Miguel or Brahma by the bottle or a can of Carling. I think I will go for the Carling as you get more in there. False economy IMHO. Go for quality rather than quantity.
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