hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Should she not die in dignity for her childrens sake? I myself would not wish to have my parents death be filmed for the world to see, so that kids can watch it on Youtube etc.Something that will live with them forever and will be shown to them inadvertently in the future.The lady is dying and so Im very sorry for that but i believe that she may be driven by cynical people behind her to her last breath to get a little more money from her.After all she is not the brightest around and she may not be getting the best advice. It is a sick idea and the days of the Victorian circus are still with us now Oh certainly. I would hope that the documentary would not be just a sideshow where her death is filmed for the entertainment of others. I won't be watching it so I have no idea if that is what it will be. If it serves a good purpose then fair enough. I also have no doubt that some of this is because she herself has been manipulated by those around her. It's the bit where she has made a conscious decision to help her children out financially that I have no problem with, even if it isn't exactly how I would go about things.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I'm sure Max Clifford will be making money from this as well. I'm sure he will! That man is another parasite that the celebrity culture has spawned. I wonder if he will be donating his 'fees' to the kids' trust funds?
hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Is she using them, or are they using her? That's a wholly different debate and I guess it is difficult to know unless you know Jade personally. If it is a decision which she has arrived at on her own without the cajoling of others than I have no issue with it. If she has been persuaded into doing this when it was not something she really wanted to do then that is a totally different matter.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 That's a wholly different debate and I guess it is difficult to know unless you know Jade personally. If it is a decision which she has arrived at on her own without the cajoling of others than I have no issue with it. If she has been persuaded into doing this when it was not something she really wanted to do then that is a totally different matter. Whatever your views, we will NEVER know the answer to that one!! But it certainly adds a further dynamic to the debate.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Then you sir, are a hypocrite Then so is every single Saints fan that goes to matches and shouts "Lowe out", by your reasoning. It can be taken on many different levels. If the elected party of power decide we do not have the death penalty, though I support this, am I a hypocrite because I haven't killed some wrong doers? What we want and the choices that are left to us are not always one and the same thing.
hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Whatever your views, we will NEVER know the answer to that one!! But it certainly adds a further dynamic to the debate. Have you accepted by distinction between supporting and not minding now?
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 OK. Try this one... What if - and it is only a what if before stevo and Ponty get all mounted up!! - Jeff Brazier 'convinced' Goody that she should do the TV shows to provide for HIM [firstly him], and also the kids... Would you still think what she is doing is commendable?
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Have you accepted by distinction between supporting and not minding now? Nope. But since we're never likely to agree I'm leaving it there
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 OK. Try this one... What if - and it is only a what if before stevo and Ponty get all mounted up!! - Jeff Brazier 'convinced' Goody that she should do the TV shows to provide for HIM [firstly him], and also the kids... Would you still think what she is doing is commendable? Is that the bloke out of nick that she intends to marry?
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Then so is every single Saints fan that goes to matches and shouts "Lowe out", by your reasoning. It can be taken on many different levels. If the elected party of power decide we do not have the death penalty, though I support this, am I a hypocrite because I haven't killed some wrong doers? What we want and the choices that are left to us are not always one and the same thing. I'm not sure I understand any of that, especially the Lowe Out bit!!! Are you suggesting that law abiding citizens are hypocrites?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I'm not sure I understand any of that, especially the Lowe Out bit!!! Are you suggesting that law abiding citizens are hypocrites? I am saying exactly that if you feel that I cannot earn a wage within the nuclear weapon industry whilst also being against them in principle.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Is that the bloke out of nick that she intends to marry? He is apparently the biological father of both kids.
hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 OK. Try this one... What if - and it is only a what if before stevo and Ponty get all mounted up!! - Jeff Brazier 'convinced' Goody that she should do the TV shows to provide for HIM [firstly him], and also the kids... Would you still think what she is doing is commendable? IF that were true then clearly that is not good. Pointless debating though because we will never know.
hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Nope. But since we're never likely to agree I'm leaving it there Or changing the subject because you realised your error
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I am saying exactly that if you feel that I cannot earn a wage within the nuclear weapon industry whilst also being against them in principle. Then you would be a hypocrite. Jeeesh, even stevo would be able to keep up with this one http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 He is apparently the biological father of both kids. I thought the chap she wants to marry was not the father of either?
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Or changing the subject because you realised your error I'll happily continue arguing the point with you, but guarantee the thread will be locked by the mods then
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I thought the chap she wants to marry was not the father of either? I really have no clue. I don't follow the life and loves of Goody that closely! I'm sure one of the people who think it is heartless to be derogatory about her will enlighten us, since they have such a close relationship with the woman.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Then you would be a hypocrite. Jeeesh, even stevo would be able to keep up with this one http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite I prefer to think of myself as supporting the market trend? Bombs are bad, but if we have to have them, I might as well be involved!
hypochondriac Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I'll happily continue arguing the point with you, but guarantee the thread will be locked by the mods then You keep making your excuses. After all, you're the one who stated that I supported dumb celebrity culture when clearly I do not. There is no contradiction.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I prefer to think of myself as supporting the market trend? Bombs are bad, but if we have to have them, I might as well be involved! I can see I'm gonna have to get Mr John Smith over here to point out the error of your ways :shock:
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I can see I'm gonna have to get Mr John Smith over here to point out the error of your ways :shock: Well if he says I am wrong then I will come clean and hold my hands up. I am not sure if you know, but he does a lot of things very well and a few things quite brilliantly.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 You keep making your excuses. After all, you're the one who stated that I supported dumb celebrity culture when clearly I do not. There is no contradiction. OK Fine!! You stated that you condemn the celebrity culture. You also stated that you condone what Goody is doing by using that very celebrity culture to earn money. If you honestly thought that the whole celebrity culture was a reprehensible thing, then you would not be able to condone someone [anyone, not just Goody], making money from it. There is contradiction there, you just don't want to see it!
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Well if he says I am wrong then I will come clean and hold my hands up. I am not sure if you know, but he does a lot of things very well and a few things quite brilliantly. I can only rely on what he has stated, but who am I to argue against such brilliance :smt102
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 OK Fine!! You stated that you condemn the celebrity culture. You also stated that you condone what Goody is doing by using that very celebrity culture to earn money. If you honestly thought that the whole celebrity culture was a reprehensible thing, then you would not be able to condone someone [anyone, not just Goody], making money from it. There is contradiction there, you just don't want to see it! Football is celebrity culture.
Weston Super Saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Football is celebrity culture. This is very true. Sad, but true And no, I don't condone the enormous wages that footballers earn. It is completely out of control, and is the largest contributing factor to footballer's celebrity culture.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 This is very true. Sad, but true And no, I don't condone the enormous wages that footballers earn. It is completely out of control, and is the largest contributing factor to footballer's celebrity culture. Come and join us on the hypocrite side! I don't endorse nuclear weapons, but I use it to better my own life!!
ozzmeister Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 I'm assuming that's directed at Scott, despite quoting my post... Yes it was, it was merely using your post (which seemsed to highlight that nothing particulary disgraceful had been said on this thread) to point out the comments of some. I have no problem with the should she shouldnt she debate but comments like Scotts were just not on (IMO of course)
ozzmeister Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Oh, and another point, wasnt there quite a bit ref Kylie when she had cancer. No she didnt die but was her public image used, do we therefore hate and condem her?
ribbo Posted 17 February, 2009 Posted 17 February, 2009 Are you saying Jade is faking her own death to get money and publicity. Whats next, Godwins Law? hitler was under-rated imo nice to see this thread not degenerating in anyway at all lol, however.my thoughts go out to the young children involved in this debacle.
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