VectisSaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 No doubt an improvement on Wotte, like Holloway. But there are so many better (and probably cheaper) options out there than a dinosaur and a clown. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned George Graham. Time has passed, football has eveolved, the dinosaurs though are extinct and even circuses have had their day. Unlikely, but not impossible that a new man now could actually make a great deal of difference, though I have always maintained the squad is good enough for mid-table given the right leadership, but it would take someone quite special to dig us out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 It is going to be hard to find a worse manager than Wotte, but at least we're trying. Carlton Palmer David Platt Paul Merson Chris Waddle Paul Gascoigne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Carlton Palmer David Platt Paul Merson Chris Waddle Paul Gascoigne Anybody else watching Big Weekend 2 on Sky, with the very 'expensive' young manager that Rupert did not even have the manners to call to say "you have no job", he looks and sounds very impressive....and 16 points clear of 3rd place! But maybe he has got the plot wrong....mix experience with young loanee's from clubs like Man Utd...oh and didnt Mcmoneyme/mcenemy/manager of Team 'A', say Sir Alex was a fan of Nigels? Its not rocket science....or is it? remove a manager..remove a picture from the boardroom....cut nose off to spite face!! ignore knowledge at your peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I was going to suggest Tommy Widdrington who is just the kind of manager this clubs grying out for, but I see he's already been put forward by someone else. Of all the suggestions so far I'd say that he would be the one who would unite the fanbase and push the team forward. We could afford him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 What we need now is a grafter, and a fighter in charge of these players. Step forward Peter Reid. Understands this league and what it takes to get out of it. Sunderland A.F.C. Division 1 Champions 95-96 Division 1 Champions 98-99 Currently in Thailand, can't see why he couldn't be persuaded.... BRING HIM IN NOW He looks like a Gibbon, apart from that I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 It really amazes me that people can condemn Wotte after only 3 games! The players he has to work with were not signed by him - but he is at least doing what everyone said should be done at the start of the season, playing experience with the "best" of the youngsters. I think he has more of a clue than Poortvliet did and we're not going to get anyone else before the end of the season so what's the point in slagging him off? Who knows, if those two shots that hit the post on Saturday had gone in we'd all be singing his praises! Back off ffs! The damage was done in the first half of the season and I don't think anyone could get us out of it. Evening Mark. When you start making the correct team selections, substitutions and the teams looks anything remotely like an improvement on Poortaloo's team, THEN I will get a bit more enthusiastic. Until then this is Wigley MkII as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeleye Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I'll back of Wotte a little when he manages to win a ****ing game. Oh the old 'damage already done' chestnut - does that mean we can lose all games between now and the end of the season then???? I fail to see where that argument comes from - I didn't say that did I? We are where we are because of the games we have lost so far. Give the man a chance - I repeat, 3 games are not enough to judge him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Anybody else watching Big Weekend 2 on Sky, with the very 'expensive' young manager that Rupert did not even have the manners to call to say "you have no job", he looks and sounds very impressive....and 16 points clear of 3rd place! But maybe he has got the plot wrong....mix experience with young loanee's from clubs like Man Utd...oh and didnt Mcmoneyme/mcenemy/manager of Team 'A', say Sir Alex was a fan of Nigels? Its not rocket science....or is it? remove a manager..remove a picture from the boardroom....cut nose off to spite face!! ignore knowledge at your peril. But only Lawrie made this statement about it.We will never know how NP would have fared at SFC this season;probably better than Rupert's Dutch indulgence I'm sure,but possibly average none the less. As for Peter Reid,no f^cking way.I've detested that grey haired c^nt since his playing days (tacky blue le coq sportif Hafnia shirts,Highbury 1984). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 It really amazes me that people can condemn Wotte after only 3 games! The players he has to work with were not signed by him - but he is at least doing what everyone said should be done at the start of the season, playing experience with the "best" of the youngsters. I think he has more of a clue than Poortvliet did and we're not going to get anyone else before the end of the season so what's the point in slagging him off? Who knows, if those two shots that hit the post on Saturday had gone in we'd all be singing his praises! Back off ffs! The damage was done in the first half of the season and I don't think anyone could get us out of it. I would be bloody amazed if at the end of the season Wottes record is any better than JPs. He hasn't got the best set of players, and having Lowe telling him who he can and can't play can't help, but, he has no experience of english football and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Having looked into it in more detail at City he finished 5th twice (both time finishing above Utd), the next season he finished 9th. At Sunderland they were (as you are now) in a relegation scrap from the (now) championship when he arrived. They stayed up. Next season they were promoted. Relegation followed, then losing in the play-offs and eventually promotion as champions with a then record points tally. The next few years they were prem regulars including two 7th place finishes. He was sacked before they were relegated (October of the season) so it'd be harsh to associate him completely with the record low points tally. At Leeds he started well and kept them up, being sacked the season after. In my opinion Leeds were in a terminal decline at this point and his replacements had no greater success rectifying it. He was at Coventry for eight months before being sacked. Again since his departure name managers have done no better. Now it clearly has tailed away a bit but that is a far more impressive CV than someone like Curbishly. Capello he clearly isn't but he'd have to be the luckiest manager around to be a mug and acheiev what he has. Reid was excellent by any stardards at City and excellent by any standards at Sunderland - at both clubs he lost his job on the back of the expectations he raised. Neither club have done any better in terms of league placings since Peter Reid left. That said, I think, like Trevor Francis (have a look at his record at SWFC, it is very good) he is a man of the past. Although he would be better than Wotte, who wouldn't, I don't think he would be much better or anything like the stable long term replacement we need - for one, I don't think he'd be hungry enough. He's rich enough to walk if it went wrong. So it is a no from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresRory Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Reid was excellent by any stardards at City and excellent by any standards at Sunderland - at both clubs he lost his job on the back of the expectations he raised. Neither club have done any better in terms of league placings since Peter Reid left. That said, I think, like Trevor Francis (have a look at his record at SWFC, it is very good) he is a man of the past. Although he would be better than Wotte, who wouldn't, I don't think he would be much better or anything like the stable long term replacement we need - for one, I don't think he'd be hungry enough. He's rich enough to walk if it went wrong. So it is a no from me. I think I agree to a certain extent. I'm not sure that I'd want Reid at my club but he does have an undeserved stigma attached which I was trying to illustrate. It may originate from his less than convincing appearances as a pundit. I do beg to differ on you latter points however. You wouldn't have thought that JP had enough to walk away although Rupes would have you believe he did! Not being a millionaire didn't make him any more talented just like Pearson who probably lives a very comfortable life after his playing days certainly wasn't lacking committment! Anyway if this thread says anything it's that beggars can be choosers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 It does make me laugh on this forum. Most on here slag off wotte saying he is clueless and we are doomed. Then in their next breath most say the team is made up of has beens, also rans and young kids with no ability and no commitment to the cause. It may be both but i do wonder how we know how good Wotte is based on 4 games using players that most have already condemned as not good enough to keep us up. By rights it would take a mangerial genius to keep this squad up if they are as bad as we say they are. From what I read about the quality of the players even Alex ferguson would be doomed to failure. So why change again? Personally I think the team are good enough to stay up but are massively short on confidence and I would have cleared out the entire management team. I guess im just playing devils advocate. Yup, yup, yup... totally agree. Having looked into it in more detail at City he finished 5th twice (both time finishing above Utd), the next season he finished 9th. At Sunderland they were (as you are now) in a relegation scrap from the (now) championship when he arrived. They stayed up. Next season they were promoted. Relegation followed, then losing in the play-offs and eventually promotion as champions with a then record points tally. The next few years they were prem regulars including two 7th place finishes. He was sacked before they were relegated (October of the season) so it'd be harsh to associate him completely with the record low points tally. At Leeds he started well and kept them up, being sacked the season after. In my opinion Leeds were in a terminal decline at this point and his replacements had no greater success rectifying it. He was at Coventry for eight months before being sacked. Again since his departure name managers have done no better. Now it clearly has tailed away a bit but that is a far more impressive CV than someone like Curbishly. Capello he clearly isn't but he'd have to be the luckiest manager around to be a mug and acheiev what he has. I've always liked Reid and could never understand the animosity towards him whenever he gets mentioned for the job. The same animosity and hatred and bile which was spewed out for Marsden, Crouch, WGS etc before they even kicked a ball or managed a game for this club. Then again, a fair majority of Saints fans are whinging mongers. In my life, they always have been, and by the looks of things, always will be. At the moment some of their is some justification to people's feelings and actions but even if the divisive Lowe etc went, they'll always find something to overreact or whinge about... I'm sure of that. To conclude... we missed the boat and Billy Davies (who would have galvanised us)... Reid could definitely keep us up and do a short term rescue mission... or we could plan well ahead and go for Tisdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I ****ing hate Peter Reid. He was a complete ****** when he was briefly with us, giving it the big '`i am'. There is a lo lot better than him available. He is in Asia for a reason you know. Nobody in England wants him. You can shove your campaign up your arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Reid now has a reptutation of a dinosaur but if you examine his record in more detail it's pretty good. Good at Man City Good at Sunderland Kept Leeds up when they were in freefall Not so good at Cov admittedly It could be also argued that HE played a big part in keeping us up in 93/94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedyfly Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Joe Royle still alive ? Are you still alive...Old Man...You're Just a ****ing Old Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Reid now has a reptutation of a dinosaur but if you examine his record in more detail it's pretty good. Good at Man City Good at Sunderland Kept Leeds up when they were in freefall Not so good at Cov admittedly Which, funnily enough, is a better CV than Gordon Strachan had when he arrived at St Marys... When will we learn that sometimes the most unlikely appointment can sometimes work out? Right time, right place sort of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I ****ing hate Peter Reid. He was a complete ****** when he was briefly with us, giving it the big '`i am'. There is a lo lot better than him available. He is in Asia for a reason you know. Nobody in England wants him. You can shove your campaign up your arse. I agree with this and you could also argue that Wotte is in England because nobody wants him in Holland. I can see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Please... anyone but not Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Please... anyone but not Wotte. Go on - give him a go - there must be more to him than that hairstyle, mustn't there........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I ****ing hate Peter Reid. He was a complete ****** when he was briefly with us, giving it the big '`i am'. There is a lo lot better than him available. He is in Asia for a reason you know. Nobody in England wants him. You can shove your campaign up your arse. Never warmed to him as a player, particularly when he started to go public during the Branfoot protests (in much the same way that Wotte is going public now), although he did contribute on the pitch in his short stay. In our current position, beggars and choosers would mean I'd let him off those earlier indiscretions and welcome him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 If it helps with your campaign .....he would come tommorow if it was to rebuild Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 17 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 February, 2009 If it helps with your campaign .....he would come tommorow if it was to rebuild Saints. Well there we go. Peter Reid would come to us if asked. Rupert? Mikey? Oh **** it, why did I mention Mikey...we all know he has no stroke in the boardroom anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 If it helps with your campaign .....he would come tommorow if it was to rebuild Saints. and how do you know this? I know he has been out of work for a long time and might need the job/buzz again but why would we be such a draw to him.If he brought that tw##' Heath with him i may be forced to do something drastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 I find it sooo ironic that Lowes insistence on trying out coaches as managers and the continued look for giving untested coaches a chance that he virtually tripped over the right one as passed Pearson on his way out St Marys. All them poor choices and this correct one was staring him in the face Buffoonery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 and how do you know this? I know he has been out of work for a long time and might need the job/buzz again but why would we be such a draw to him.If he brought that tw##' Heath with him i may be forced to do something drastic. Sorry to correct you, but he has been in work since last summer as the national manager of Thailand. I met him at a lords test just before he went and we had a joke about him staying in the "Bangkok Hilton". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 If he brought that tw##' Heath with him i may be forced to do something drastic. You wouldn't be able to!!!!!! Because I would be way ahead of you with my rope, pitch fork, petrol and kindling!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Sorry to correct you, but he has been in work since last summer as the national manager of Thailand. I met him at a lords test just before he went and we had a joke about him staying in the "Bangkok Hilton". He stays in the penthouse at the Raddison Bangkok actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 and how do you know this? I know he has been out of work for a long time and might need the job/buzz again but why would we be such a draw to him.If he brought that tw##' Heath with him i may be forced to do something drastic. Because I do .....he told me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 He stays in the penthouse at the Raddison Bangkok actually. What a poor choice of hotel!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Rather have a bring back Hoddle campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 When will everybody realise, the only man we could afford who would have most of the fans' backing is the great Le Tiss himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 He stays in the penthouse at the Raddison Bangkok actually. The "Hilton" referred to is the notorious prison!! As someone new to posting should I go.... Woosh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Had a really surreal and fun few drinks and a dinner with Reidy & a bunch of guys from the local Showtime TV studio over here back in February last year. He's supposed to be back here in a few weeks, I'll set up an interview for you guys if you like. You know really important questions like Lowe or Crouch Would you swap life in a 5 star hotel in Bangkok and the adulation of being a National team Manager with a bed sit in Shirley & the abuse of us lot.... DMG - why? But yes in line with the other posts we talked for quite some time about Saints, Pearson's appointment etc and he said he always felt we were one of the best "clubs" in terms of all in atmosphere and togetherness that he had played in.. and we talked for far longer about how it has all gone so wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 You wouldn't be able to!!!!!! Because I would be way ahead of you with my rope, pitch fork, petrol and kindling!!!!!!How about we share the honour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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