trousers Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 (edited) what exactly do people thing protesting or not buying season tickets is going to achieve? What exactly did the people who protested against, and refused to pay, the poll tax achieve? Edited 17 February, 2009 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 February, 2009 No, I am asking everyone not to demonstrate during the game. Don't over-react. And that is not my name. Were you at the Bristol match? I wasn't, but I was surprised that several posters who were there said that Saints actually played quite well (apart from the the finishing). And it is not realistic to throw in the sponge before it really is the end. That imo is pathetic. You would be the first to criticise the players when they do that (as they have too often.) Demonstrating during the match will not get Lowe out any more than demonstrating outside the ground and after the match. Yes I was at the Bristol match., and to say we deserved to win or even get a point is absolute fantasy. We had 2 chances in the first half, Bristol had 5 or 6 plus a missed penalty. We didn't play that well at all, and apart from 2 or 3 chances which were wasted due to poor finishing, we did nothing. We gave the ball away time and time again. We played better than we have done in the last few games, but still nowhere near good enough to win games and stay up. People are struggling to see through their blind love for SFC I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain saint Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 As I said in an earlier post, I believe it is the crowd "NOISE", or lack of it that could gee up the players! It doesnt really matter a jot what is sung as the players imo just hear noise. I went to old trafford in the relegation season and you could only hear the saints fans until united scored and they went mental, then quite again until they scored,and repeat until we lost 3-0 to a side not at all inspired by their 80,000 odd uber fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 As I said in an earlier post, I believe it is the crowd "NOISE", or lack of it that could gee up the players! It doesnt really matter a jot what is sung as the players imo just hear noise. I went to old trafford in the relegation season and you could only hear the saints fans until united scored and they went mental, then quite again until they scored,and repeat until we lost 3-0 to a side not at all inspired by their 80,000 odd uber fans! Maybe if they had been inspired by their 80,000 it would have been 6-0? The atmosphere in a stadium does effect the players, there is obviously not alot of difference a crowd can make but surely we want to give the lads on the pitch every possible advantage regardless of who's running the club? I remember when Sunderland got relegated from the Prem, they called the ground the Stadium of Fright because the atmoshphere was so bad the players were scared to express themselves - do we want that tat SMS? - of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 18 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 February, 2009 This thread should ensure about an extra £5-£10,000 policing and stewards bill if nothing else. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 (edited) Yes I was at the Bristol match., and to say we deserved to win or even get a point is absolute fantasy. We had 2 chances in the first half, Bristol had 5 or 6 plus a missed penalty. We didn't play that well at all, and apart from 2 or 3 chances which were wasted due to poor finishing, we did nothing. We gave the ball away time and time again. We played better than we have done in the last few games, but still nowhere near good enough to win games and stay up. People are struggling to see through their blind love for SFC I think. Fair do's. Sounds familiar. I wasn't at the match and quoted from comments by those who were. Probably to love SFC is to be blind. We all suffer from frustrated optimism. And swing between hope, despair - and (that time we won at home) temporary respite. Edit: But referring to the stats below ( http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?i...=ENG.2&cc=5739 ) we had 16(9) shots on goal, so by your reckoning there must have been 14 in the second half. Still, not much good if they don't go into the nets. Edited 18 February, 2009 by eelpie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 We had 2 chances in the first half, Bristol had 5 or 6 plus a missed penalty. We didn't play that well at all, and apart from 2 or 3 chances which were wasted due to poor finishing, we did nothing. Maybe you went to the Rovers game or had too much to drink pre-match http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=243652&league=ENG.2&cc=5739 FWIW, those with a -ve viewpoint always tend to think we play worse than we did and vice-versa!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Maybe you went to the Rovers game or had too much to drink pre-match http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=243652&league=ENG.2&cc=5739 FWIW, those with a -ve viewpoint always tend to think we play worse than we did and vice-versa!! Interestingly Brizzol are listed there with four defenders, Saints just two! (despairing lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Interestingly Brizzol are listed there with four defenders, Saints just two! (despairing lol) Wow, we played 2-5-3, never noticed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want? This is a two edged sword. I know of two season ticket holders who will not be renewing this season, neither who could be classed as Lowe fans. Their biggest issue is with other fans giving the players stick and the disagreements that follow. It is a difficult position, but having to take what is served up on the pitch and fan disunity can lead to an atmosphere that several are not prepared to take. I thought what happened with the protest march was good, people could get their view across without things being seriously affected on the pitch. If there is no common bond between the supporters, with many not wanting to be in the same stadium as some of their fellow fans, our numbers will only diminish further, irrespective of who is the chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 This is a two edged sword. I know of two season ticket holders who will not be renewing this season, neither who could be classed as Lowe fans. Their biggest issue is with other fans giving the players stick and the disagreements that follow. It is a difficult position, but having to take what is served up on the pitch and fan disunity can lead to an atmosphere that several are not prepared to take. I thought what happened with the protest march was good, people could get their view across without things being seriously affected on the pitch. If there is no common bond between the supporters, with many not wanting to be in the same stadium as some of their fellow fans, our numbers will only diminish further, irrespective of who is the chairman. If only Crouch, Lawrie and Pearson were still running the show we wouldn't be in this position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Originally Posted by up and away This is a two edged sword. I know of two season ticket holders who will not be renewing this season, neither who could be classed as Lowe fans. Their biggest issue is with other fans giving the players stick and the disagreements that follow. It is a difficult position, but having to take what is served up on the pitch and fan disunity can lead to an atmosphere that several are not prepared to take. I thought what happened with the protest march was good, people could get their view across without things being seriously affected on the pitch. If there is no common bond between the supporters, with many not wanting to be in the same stadium as some of their fellow fans, our numbers will only diminish further, irrespective of who is the chairman. If only Crouch, Lawrie and Pearson were still running the show we wouldn't be in this position. One of the main reasons we are on this position is because of Crouch. Take away all that multitude of players Pearson had available and replace them with League 1 fodder, there is no way you can predict anything that would guarantee safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WokingSaint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 On the question of protests I am confused! Can someone please clarify the situation for me. 1. Is there a march to the ground against PNE? 2. Is there a march away from the ground against PNE? 3. Both of the above? 4. None of the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 One of the main reasons we are on this position is because of Crouch. An absurd, moronic statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 On the question of protests I am confused! Can someone please clarify the situation for me. 1. Is there a march to the ground against PNE? 2. Is there a march away from the ground against PNE? 3. Both of the above? 4. None of the above See www.dailyecho.co.uk. March from the bargate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 See www.dailyecho.co.uk. March from the bargate. More plants on that site than Wyevales http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/4134160.Saints_fans_prepare_for_another_protest/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 18 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Maybe you went to the Rovers game or had too much to drink pre-match http://soccernet.espn.go.com/match?id=243652&league=ENG.2&cc=5739 FWIW, those with a -ve viewpoint always tend to think we play worse than we did and vice-versa!! For one of the only times this season, I was sober as I was driving. Stats never show a picture of how the game went. And, them stats are complete b*llocks, Kelvin made at least 3 world class saves, including a penalty save, add the 2 goals in and there is at least 5 shots on target without having to think of any more, them stats say there was only 2 all game! 9 shots on target for us? I can't remember their keeper making a notable save. Don't read stats to try and guage how well we played... we never looked even slightly likely to get anything from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want? In response to your orginal question my answer is no! You are entitled to your opinion but in what way do you think this will help? Stay away if that's how you feel. Protesting inside the ground will certainly ensure we are relegated! MLT has stated several times that the players confidence is very fragile and a good positive atmosphere lifts players and helps get results. This forum is representative of a very tiny minority of Saints fans and is not representative of the majority in my view. Rather than your dreadful negative rabble raising do something positive maybe words like passion, fight, hope, conviction, loyalty, belief should be reflected in your thinking. It is your opinion that "we are already down" so don't speak for others please. You sound like you want us to be relegated to prove yourself right. Well I believe we can stay up and do want to continue 'supporting the lads', and I don't want your protests taking place inside St Marys. Do it somewhere else and stay away if you cant take the pressure!!!! Rant over!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 It surprises me that 99% of people would love MLT as a figurehead for the club, in one way or another, but the only thing he's said on the matter, "Let's get 100% behind the team for the run-in", gets dismissed and goes largely ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 19 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 February, 2009 In response to your orginal question my answer is no! You are entitled to your opinion but in what way do you think this will help? Stay away if that's how you feel. Protesting inside the ground will certainly ensure we are relegated! MLT has stated several times that the players confidence is very fragile and a good positive atmosphere lifts players and helps get results. This forum is representative of a very tiny minority of Saints fans and is not representative of the majority in my view. Rather than your dreadful negative rabble raising do something positive maybe words like passion, fight, hope, conviction, loyalty, belief should be reflected in your thinking. It is your opinion that "we are already down" so don't speak for others please. You sound like you want us to be relegated to prove yourself right. Well I believe we can stay up and do want to continue 'supporting the lads', and I don't want your protests taking place inside St Marys. Do it somewhere else and stay away if you cant take the pressure!!!! Rant over!! Firstly, Saints have had 16 games at home this season with 'positive atmosphere' , how many of them have we won? There is no pressure, as I said, I am a realist and this team is getting relegated, it is not even close to being good enough and is not showing the slightest sign of going on a winning run.... whereas other teams around us are. Being a realist instead of living in a fantasy world, once we are relegated, ( which you need to remember, is odds on, in every sense ) then administration is inevitable. I would much rather take the hit this season and go into administration and have a fresh start next season on 0 points rather than -10 or worse. I think what the funny thing about our fans is the fans who say the 'get behind the lads' , most of them sit in the Itchen, Chapel or Kingsland... when was the last time they got behind the lads?¬?¬?¬?¬?¬? If them 3 stands did make some noise then you wouldn't even be able to hear what is going on in the Northam. Anyway, I fully intend on protesting all game on Saturday, feel free to join in when we go 2-0 down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The player's confidence is so fragile it doesnt matter what the fans do inside the stadium. It only takes the opposition making it clear they wont just roll over and quit, or saying "boo" to our players, to make ours do the rolling over and quitting....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Firstly, Saints have had 16 games at home this season with 'positive atmosphere' , how many of them have we won? There is no pressure, as I said, I am a realist and this team is getting relegated, it is not even close to being good enough and is not showing the slightest sign of going on a winning run.... whereas other teams around us are. Being a realist instead of living in a fantasy world, once we are relegated, ( which you need to remember, is odds on, in every sense ) then administration is inevitable. I would much rather take the hit this season and go into administration and have a fresh start next season on 0 points rather than -10 or worse. I think what the funny thing about our fans is the fans who say the 'get behind the lads' , most of them sit in the Itchen, Chapel or Kingsland... when was the last time they got behind the lads?¬?¬?¬?¬?¬? If them 3 stands did make some noise then you wouldn't even be able to hear what is going on in the Northam. Anyway, I fully intend on protesting all game on Saturday, feel free to join in when we go 2-0 down. So you believe that making a positive atmosphere LESS positive - maybe you mean negative - is a good thing!!! We won't win another game all season with this type of attitude! I'm also interested to hear that you believe we are relegated already why are you bothering to go at all then - surely it's not worth the effort is it? Oh the great Northam! You're right I'm a ST holder in the Itchen and of course we're not "proper" fans like you are we? Well I'll tell you one thing visiting fans with any sort of support out sing the Northam at the moment so stop making yourself sound like you're some kind of special group of fans will you and make some noise supporting the team. I intend to get behind the team, and I seriously hope you will as well and forget protests. Will you protest if we are winning?? Now that would be nuts...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 The player's confidence is so fragile it doesnt matter what the fans do inside the stadium. It only takes the opposition making it clear they wont just roll over and quit, or saying "boo" to our players, to make ours do the rolling over and quitting....... Oh Alpine I knew you'd join in - do you travel to games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 It surprises me that 99% of people would love MLT as a figurehead for the club, in one way or another, but the only thing he's said on the matter, "Let's get 100% behind the team for the run-in", gets dismissed and goes largely ignored. Quite right Ponty! I fear for the future with the attitude of so called fans on this forum. They will never be happy about anything unless ther is a public hanging of Rupert in the centre circle before kick off! Sadly, the worrying thing is I fear that a few of our posters would turn on MLT if he said things they disagree with....... anarchy rules ok!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 February, 2009 Share Posted 19 February, 2009 Quite right Ponty! I fear for the future with the attitude of so called fans on this forum. They will never be happy about anything unless ther is a public hanging of Rupert in the centre circle before kick off! Sadly, the worrying thing is I fear that a few of our posters would turn on MLT if he said things they disagree with....... anarchy rules ok!! You fix it, the ground will be full, probably everybody cheering for once, be able to sell it worldwide, call Max Clifford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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