Colinjb Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Correct me if i'm wrong, and in no way would I wish to incite such things, but don't clubs get fined for pitch invasions? That would really hurt Rupert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Sorry, R, that makes you part of the problem (imo, of course).If paying to watch a game and supporting the team is part of the problem then it is a problem I can live with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I can't see how protesting during games would have any positive impact at all. It would also ruin the match for people who just want to go and support saints and watch some football. If you want to protest then do so outside the ground and those looking to cause trouble in the stadium can **** off imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I can't see how protesting during games would have any positive impact at all. It would also ruin the match for people who just want to go and support saints and watch some football. If you want to protest then do so outside the ground and those looking to cause trouble in the stadium can **** off imo. Quite... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Totally agree. If there was another war I wouldnt want half the bed-wetters that post on here sat in the trenches with me. Seen Poortvliet's new CV lately? Mwah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 people who just want to go and support saints and watch some football. Not many are left. Those that are really are cybermen... no emotion!!! If they wanted to watch some football they come to see the opposition nowadays? Media pressure on Lowe is what we need at the moment. If a pitch invasion gives us that and it could work we should go for it. You (people see quote) have your whole life to support Saints so surely you can give it a break for a little while during the "black death of Southampton" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I can't see how protesting during games would have any positive impact at all. I also don't think it would have as much (if any) of a negative impact either. If you want to protest then do so outside the ground and those looking to cause trouble in the stadium can **** off imo. I think you've just taken a rather large jump suggesting those who will (or want) to protest are looking to cause trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 16 February, 2009 If paying to watch a game and supporting the team is part of the problem then it is a problem I can live with. Do you pay to go to games Weston or get complimentrys from staff? And with all respect, certainly up until a couple of years ago, you hardly ever set foot in SMS, hence the 'plastic saints' . Hardly in a position to preach are we? Although I understand due to your relationship to couple of the players, your opinion is going to be somewhat biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Not many are left. Those that are really are cybermen... no emotion!!! If they wanted to watch some football they come to see the opposition nowadays? Media pressure on Lowe is what we need at the moment. If a pitch invasion gives us that and it could work we should go for it. You (people see quote) have your whole life to support Saints so surely you can give it a break for a little while during the "black death of Southampton" Pitch invasions bring nothing but bad coverage. And make us look like a bunch of mongs... Bit like when the Leeds fans invaded the pitch on the last day of the season when they were relegated to League 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 You are wrong , the Leeds support was superb throughout that game and it was thier fans belief that roared them on.the players didnt give up as the fans hadn't.I have never liked Leeds fans but from that day i have the utmost respect for their support. Cobblers Nick, that's a rewriting of history. At half time they were sombre and started having a laugh. There was gallows humour, but it was not their fans who created the win, it was the total capitulation of our team. You need to understand that 99% of times the spirit in the stands reflect the game and not vice versa... Again, tell me what happened when the fans supported against Doncaster? We conceded twice. Tell me what happened when they started fighting and jeering? We scored. How does this square with your theory that it's my fault we are losing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mao Cap Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Leeds are doing crap at the moment and may not even make the third division playoffs. Support is still excellent by all accounts, however. Good vocal support's good fun to provide and can spur players on, but it simply can't make sh*t players into good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Simply based on the fact we were only 1-0 down, due to some great goalkeeping and a missed penalty, not because we deserved a point or were pushing them for a goal. Yes we hit the post, but their keeper was not tested all game.We hit the post twice. I wasnt at the game but have seen the highlights and on the ballance of those a draw would have been fair.The penalty was soft but Rudi did hold his shirt, although we had a good handball shout in the second half which waqs not given.The tv did not show BC's first goal, he did look offside to me.We were in with a shout of getting something until their second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Leeds are doing crap at the moment and may not even make the third division playoffs. Support is still excellent by all accounts, however. Good vocal support's good fun to provide and can spur players on, but it simply can't make sh*t players into good players.Its true but having fans on your back will only make things worse IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I think you've just taken a rather large jump suggesting those who will (or want) to protest are looking to cause trouble. Fair enough but were you at the doncaster game? That was not a pleasant atmosphere and I imagine we'd see similar things if people started to protest during the games. I enjoy going to the football regardless of what happens on the pitch and I guess that's the difference. I can understand people getting very frustrated, especially STH's but I just don't see what good it will do to cause disruption during games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Good vocal support's good fun to provide and can spur players on, but it simply can't make sh*t players into good players. And it also can't replace good preparation, good tactics and good motivation by the manager and coaching staff. And in response to nickh, I don't think anyone is suggesting we got on the backs of the players, more that we get on the backs and in the faces of those in the Itchen Centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Its true but having fans on your back will only make things worse IMO Blaming fans for performances though is a total cop out, if a team plays well in all areas of the pitch the fans will get behind them, if they do not the fans will get edgy. Doesn't matter which club it is, that is how it works. Expecting unconditional support is unrealistic and nieve, particularly in an entertainment industry like football, where entertainment is the key word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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um pahars Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Fair enough but were you at the doncaster game? That was not a pleasant atmosphere and I imagine we'd see similar things if people started to protest during the games. What I saw at Doncaster was cutting both ways, with people having a pop at those protesting, and those protesting having a pop at those telling them not to. So to suggest that those who are protesting are looking for trouble is both untrue, unhelpful and exactly the type of response that ensured it all boiled over during the Doncaster game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Its true but having fans on your back will only make things worse IMO Like supporting them 100% so far this season has had a POSITIVE effect eh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 My grandad informed me that in 1952 he sang for a whole game and Saints lost. This is clear evidence that supporting a team makes no difference whatsoever imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 stop bringing out all this sh*te about the support being great this season, the atmosphere at home is awful. Its understandable, but making out that the team has been backed fully is wrong, only a small part of the ground sing and they aren't even very loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 stop bringing out all this sh*te about the support being great this season, the atmosphere at home is awful. Its understandable, but making out that the team has been backed fully is wrong, only a small part of the ground sing and they aren't even very loud. And with f**k all to sing about for nearly 6 years now, who can blame them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfc123 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Totally agree. If there was another war I wouldnt want half the bed-wetters that post on here sat in the trenches with me. I also get the feeling that there are also some on here that are starting to enjoy the protest ******** as well.They seem to be getting a kick on how to protest next and also revelling in the attention they are getting too. You're gonna hate this but from a different viewpoint a lot of your arguments about support are down to the fact that most of you have been spoilt for the last 30 odd years. How many of you on here remember 10+ seasons of lower league football before you got back up after the cup win? Not many I would guess. So most of you only remember top flight football. The lower leagues are a bit of a shock aren't they? After the initial optimism of a swift return to the premiership fades, the harsh reality begins to sink in. You don't get anywhere near the same amount of quality football, you don't get the same publicity, glamour, income or attendances. You DO get loads more misplaced passes, poor tackling, shooting, goalkeeping, defending, and overall I can see that it must feel pretty **** after 27 years in the top flight? So people start to complain. At first it's a poor team, a lack of investment. Then it's the players attitude, the stewarding, the expensive programme. As it gets worse you find more and more reasons to complain: You can't sit in one of the corners anymore, the replica kit is too expensive, and that bird with the big tits in the snack bar in the Northam has left to get a proper job somewhere else. So how do you motivate yourself to really support the team with all this going on? Not easy. The flip side is us. I started watching Pompey in 1974. We were **** then, and went onto become really **** and deeply **** in rapid succession. From 1974 onwards I endured 24 years of **** and just 5 where we were actually promoted or nearly promoted. So when the good times did come along we went ****ing mad. It was fantastic, something to be really treasured and appreciated. We were getting crowds of 23-25k in the old div 4 when the agony of the 70's decline was finally turned around. A lot of you on here almost NEED to go through a lot more agony than the last three years before you'll be ready to really appreciate and grab hold of the upturn whenever it comes. If it takes you as long as us, god help you because it's a miserable existance. The only consolation is that it will feel so, so sweet when it finally happens....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 What effect did our support have in Cardiff 2003? You couldn't have been there. Pretty good. Ormerod nearly had us draw level in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 You're gonna hate this but from a different viewpoint a lot of your arguments about support are down to the fact that most of you have been spoilt for the last 30 odd years. How many of you on here remember 10+ seasons of lower league football before you got back up after the cup win? Not many I would guess. So most of you only remember top flight football. The lower leagues are a bit of a shock aren't they? After the initial optimism of a swift return to the premiership fades, the harsh reality begins to sink in. You don't get anywhere near the same amount of quality football, you don't get the same publicity, glamour, income or attendances. You DO get loads more misplaced passes, poor tackling, shooting, goalkeeping, defending, and overall I can see that it must feel pretty **** after 27 years in the top flight? So people start to complain. At first it's a poor team, a lack of investment. Then it's the players attitude, the stewarding, the expensive programme. As it gets worse you find more and more reasons to complain: You can't sit in one of the corners anymore, the replica kit is too expensive, and that bird with the big tits in the snack bar in the Northam has left to get a proper job somewhere else. So how do you motivate yourself to really support the team with all this going on? Not easy. The flip side is us. I started watching Pompey in 1974. We were **** then, and went onto become really **** and deeply **** in rapid succession. From 1974 onwards I endured 24 years of **** and just 5 where we were actually promoted or nearly promoted. So when the good times did come along we went ****ing mad. It was fantastic, something to be really treasured and appreciated. We were getting crowds of 23-25k in the old div 4 when the agony of the 70's decline was finally turned around. A lot of you on here almost NEED to go through a lot more agony than the last three years before you'll be ready to really appreciate and grab hold of the upturn whenever it comes. If it takes you as long as us, god help you because it's a miserable existance. The only consolation is that it will feel so, so sweet when it finally happens....... Fair comment. And true. We have been spoilt. And I do remember SFC in Div 3 South. It will take time, guts and commitment. It is time we stopped crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I'd join in a McGoldrick protest. Now we're getting somewhere. Surely that's something we can all agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 What I saw at Doncaster was cutting both ways, with people having a pop at those protesting, and those protesting having a pop at those telling them not to. So to suggest that those who are protesting are looking for trouble is both untrue, unhelpful and exactly the type of response that ensured it all boiled over during the Doncaster game. I was stood in the northam and was pretty shocked by what I saw, but I didn't have a pop at anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 We might as well wait until we are 2 or 3 down before we start protesting, will probably only miss 20-30mins of protest time. Although it's very unlikley there is a chance we could stay up if we get a result Saturday and results go our way. Get behind the lads, when it becomes obvious we are not going to get a result let Lowe n co have it with pure venom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Do you pay to go to games Weston or get complimentrys from staff? And with all respect, certainly up until a couple of years ago, you hardly ever set foot in SMS, hence the 'plastic saints' . Hardly in a position to preach are we? Although I understand due to your relationship to couple of the players, your opinion is going to be somewhat biased.I do not get complimentaries from the staff, why should I? I started going again, with a season ticket the first season we were relegated and have done ever since although, because of other commitments and a change in my friends circumstances we gave the season tickets up at the end of last season and I pay game by game now excluding mid week games that I cannot attend and any clash with Rosebowl as I work there in the cricket season. Before then work and the difficulty in getting tickets in the Premier prevented me from going. Regular in 1967-1970 though including some away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 What concerns me is not what we sing, say or do but that we sing, say or do something. The support was ok for the first half at Bristol City (i don't think the ground is helpful in creating a good away support...) but what upset me the most at the end is no one seemed to care. It was frustrating the hell out of me that we were so slow going forward in the last 10 mins - but no one else seemed to react near me. So positive singing or anti-lowe signing are both fine by me, what we really need to avoid is apathy. That is footballing cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Stu Im amazed how defeatist you are. i understand why you are like it but there are 14 games to go still.The side that was put out saturday was full of the experienced players the fans have been begging for and also a 4-4-2. We still can do it, haing the fans in turmoil during the game wil not help the club we adore, why help the opposition? FFS they didn't play 4-4-2. They played a narrow diamond in midfield. 4-1-2-1-2, that's why nobody picked up the winger who was able to stick a ball from wide behind our two centre backs for the goal and why we can't get to the byeline. Schneiderlin's and Euell's shots that hit the post were because the goal was packed with defenders and anything hit left would have probably been blocked, how many times has that happened this year. Until they play a proper wide 4-4-2 we won't win a game unless we are just lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Who told you we played well on Saturday? We were most definately not and NEVER looked like winning the game or even taking a point. It's not giving up, it is being realistic and getting Lowe and Wilde out before it is too late. Oh, and MR CAPITAL LETTERS, don't you think the last line should read " There will be no demos during the match from me " , or are you telling everyone else what to do? No, I am asking everyone not to demonstrate during the game. Don't over-react. And that is not my name. Were you at the Bristol match? I wasn't, but I was surprised that several posters who were there said that Saints actually played quite well (apart from the the finishing). And it is not realistic to throw in the sponge before it really is the end. That imo is pathetic. You would be the first to criticise the players when they do that (as they have too often.) Demonstrating during the match will not get Lowe out any more than demonstrating outside the ground and after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I was stood in the northam and was pretty shocked by what I saw, but I didn't have a pop at anyone. So only prepared to have a pop on here then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 My grandad informed me that in 1952 he sang for a whole game and Saints lost. This is clear evidence that supporting a team makes no difference whatsoever imo. One example is hardly proof. Good on your grandad. That was in the days when fans did not give up, like today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 I am totally against any form of protest against the board whilst the game is in play. +one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 There is a difference, there is a time to say 'enough is enough' Barring an absolute miracle, we are relegated. How many times this season have you seen a performance worthy of Saints staying up? Reading away and Derby away are the only 2 games that spring to mind. There are now only 14 games left and we have not even shown the slightest glimmer of turning things round, if anything, we are getting worse! The time to say enough is enough is when we are mathematically relegated. By far the most effective way for us to protest is to not renew season tickets on mass. You also get to do that before the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Now we're getting somewhere. Surely that's something we can all agree on. No it isn't. I am totally against singling out single players. Its a team game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 The Leeds support we singing loudly at 3-0 down. Any other lies you want to peddle? So were we this season at Preston when 2-0 down. Leeds fans are pretty good and were excellent that day, but don't think for one minute they are like that all the time. I remember Sean Gregan was moaning a couple of years ago about the Leeds fans giving him loads of stick. And they didn't get behind the team when we were 3-0 up at Elland Road the season they went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southamptonfclegend Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 things said about the fans no effort? we always sing "sing your hearts out for the lads" yet when do they play their hearts out for the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Seen Poortvliet's new CV lately? Mwah. Pathetic stalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Cobblers Nick, that's a rewriting of history. At half time they were sombre and started having a laugh. There was gallows humour, but it was not their fans who created the win, it was the total capitulation of our team. You need to understand that 99% of times the spirit in the stands reflect the game and not vice versa... Again, tell me what happened when the fans supported against Doncaster? We conceded twice. Tell me what happened when they started fighting and jeering? We scored. How does this square with your theory that it's my fault we are losing??The Leeds fans support was superb and we had threads on S4E commenting on it. Just do as you wish my words mean nothing and you will do as you wish anyway. i myself believe that every little fraction we can help will do us all good in the longrun.The demonstrations will not get the removal of RL but perhaps hasten our relegation. fans will be fighting fans again and whilst many dont care about that , each time it happens that stops another tranche of fans going to games.the scenes at the Doncaster game definately stopped some frans bringing thier wives and children to games. I personally know of 2 sets of people who will not go to games while there is a threa of fans doing what they did against Doncaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Pathetic stalker. How distant August must feel with all your little posts about me;) How about who should be our next manager? Still going with: JP with a 10 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 Pathetic stalker. Where as you're just a clueless muppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 things said about the fans no effort? we always sing "sing your hearts out for the lads" yet when do they play their hearts out for the fans? Ha. Fan in front of me on Sat belted out "sing your hearts out for the lads" and abused others while doing it, then promptly didn't join in for any other songs. This made me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 While we still have a chance I'll be supporting the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 And it also can't replace good preparation, good tactics and good motivation by the manager and coaching staff. And in response to nickh, I don't think anyone is suggesting we got on the backs of the players, more that we get on the backs and in the faces of those in the Itchen Centre.Can you tell me when a protest by fans has made a chairman step down.I cant recall any, managers yes not chairman. We have a fragmented fanbase and a fragmented crowd whose support is diluted by standing on 2 sides next to the away fans. we must have the worst scenario where our team have the singing fans in 2 small wedges.The best campaign would be to have the Northam and Itchen singing fans to relocate to the centre of the Chapel.To have a Milton road of the 70's sucking the ball into the net, an end that the team could really attack and have the opposition fearing/not enjoying to play behind. It is something the club has lost, a proper end to kick to.The Itchen and Northam do their best but are up against the away supporters and so our support is nullified to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 So only prepared to have a pop on here then. Well it's not going to stir up any trouble is it. That was a sorry sight when our fans started fighting amongst themselves and it didn't achieve anything. I just don't see what good it does to protest during the game, it certainy can't help the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 The players board and shareholders are very clear about the fans perspective on things at the minute. A protest will simply look like children used to getting their own way and stamping their foot because we can no longer see Premiership football. We will be a laughing stock amonget the loyal fans of Forest, Leeds, Man City (to name but three) who have endured far worse these last few years. I have stood by Saints through thick and thin for 35 years and will continue to do so but I have stopped going to home games this season. Not because of the ****e dished up but because I can no longer stand and watch grown men in the stands picking fights with the next spectator because they have the cheek to sing a supportive song. A protest during the game takes that trend to a new (low) level. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum. In some ways I hope we are not relegated and with 14 games to go and 4 points off safety the suggestion that its all over already is frankly bizarre. Having said that, maybe relegation won't be a bad thing though because it will get shot of a few more fair weather fans. The day we stop harping on about how the mighty have fallen over the last five years and start thinking about what we are capable of achieving on our shoe string budget the better. Maybe then we can start going to watch a game just to analyse the 90 minutes without repeatedly drawing up the doom and gloom of the season as whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 The Leeds fans support was superb and we had threads on S4E commenting on it. Just do as you wish my words mean nothing and you will do as you wish anyway. i myself believe that every little fraction we can help will do us all good in the longrun.The demonstrations will not get the removal of RL but perhaps hasten our relegation. fans will be fighting fans again and whilst many dont care about that , each time it happens that stops another tranche of fans going to games.the scenes at the Doncaster game definately stopped some frans bringing thier wives and children to games. I personally know of 2 sets of people who will not go to games while there is a threa of fans doing what they did against Doncaster. Nick I agree that I don't want to see fighting, and I always try and sing myself hoarse - I do not think we disagree here at all. But the sad truth is that the continual laying of the blame at fans door simply diverts the attention from the real issues: 1. Mismanagement of the club at all levels. 2. A squad who are not very good, badly organised and lacking confidence and fitness. I wish that we could galvanize the fans to lift the team, but on myriad occassions this year when we have created a great atmosphere it has been let down badly by the playing staff. The reality is that fans who see players run, chase, harry and tackle do clap and cheer them. The cause begets the symptoms, not vice versa. We had 32000 there against United and played like drains. What should I do? Run on the pitch and whisper words of encouragement?? I hate players being abused during games - truly I do. But there is something to be said for why Colin Mongomerie has never won a major - because he can't hack fan abuse - and Harrington who has two, because he's simply mentally tougher. A good manager can use any atmosphere to win matches. Ricky Ponting took a cutting from KP into the dressing room saying the Aussies were over-rated, pinned it to a wall, said nothing and sat back as they won the Ashes 5-0!!! Motivation MUST first and foremost be in the hands of the manager, coaches and captain. And they continually let us down. To ask for fans to keep giving in such circumstances is a bit naive I fear? Most do, but are continually frustrated by ineptitude on and off the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Share Posted 16 February, 2009 The players board and shareholders are very clear about the fans perspective on things at the minute. A protest will simply look like children used to getting their own way and stamping their foot because we can no longer see Premiership football. We will be a laughing stock amonget the loyal fans of Forest, Leeds, Man City (to name but three) who have endured far worse these last few years. I have stood by Saints through thick and thin for 35 years and will continue to do so but I have stopped going to home games this season. Not because of the ****e dished up but because I can no longer stand and watch grown men in the stands picking fights with the next spectator because they have the cheek to sing a supportive song. A protest during the game takes that trend to a new (low) level. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum. In some ways I hope we are not relegated and with 14 games to go and 4 points off safety the suggestion that its all over already is frankly bizarre. Having said that, maybe relegation won't be a bad thing though because it will get shot of a few more fair weather fans. The day we stop harping on about how the mighty have fallen over the last five years and start thinking about what we are capable of achieving on our shoe string budget the better. Maybe then we can start going to watch a game just to analyse the 90 minutes without repeatedly drawing up the doom and gloom of the season as whole. If anyone wants a classic example of what is wrong with the fanbase, look no further than this post. Arrogant, dismissive, and self-centered are only the first three adjectives that spring to mind. Not a word about the piiisss-poor management of the club to be seen.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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