StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want?
Cheeky Monkey Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Whats the difference between your misses and SFC???... At least you enjoy yourself when your misses goes down........
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Hardly anyone bothered to support the team Saturday anyway.
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: Hardly anyone bothered to support the team Saturday anyway. I thought that! The support was crap, allthough a large amount of people still managed to give the team a standing ovation off the pitch, to my amazement!!!
Andy_Porter Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Probably the worst away support i've seen from us, shocking stuff. I think most people who bother with away games are resigned to relegation now.
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: I thought that! The support was crap, allthough a large amount of people still managed to give the team a standing ovation off the pitch, to my amazement!!! Support was terrible. Although our support has been on a downward slide for sometime. To be fair, I clapped the team off, I couldn't fault them for effort on Saturday. I guess the 'stadning ovation' was because everyone was stood up anyway!
Weston Super Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: Support was terrible. Although our support has been on a downward slide for sometime. To be fair, I clapped the team off, I couldn't fault them for effort on Saturday. I guess the 'stadning ovation' was because everyone was stood up anyway! Hhhmmmmm I wonder why? Back on topic... I would gladly protest for the full 90 minutes, but the protests need to be aimed at the whole lot of them; Askham, Richards, Wilde, Lowe, Crouch, Corbett etc etc. They've all done their bit to contribute to our decline [some more than others of course], and they should all go and leave the club to get on with things.... If someone wanted to show their contempt for the current set up by getting on the pitch, then I would happily support them. What's the worst that could happen? We get the game cancelled and give the points to the opposition? Big deal, we play 90 minutes and give the points to the opposition anyway!! At least the supporters could hit the club where it hurts by demanding a refund for not seeing the game
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Weston Super Saint said: Hhhmmmmm I wonder why? This may be a controversial view, but I've always felt that supporters show their true colours when the team isn't doing so well. I've seen plenty of other teams where their club has been in turmoil, but their support has been as loud as ever. I bet Leeds' away support is still loud - despite all the crap at their club over the years.
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want?Stu Im amazed how defeatist you are. i understand why you are like it but there are 14 games to go still.The side that was put out saturday was full of the experienced players the fans have been begging for and also a 4-4-2. We still can do it, haing the fans in turmoil during the game wil not help the club we adore, why help the opposition?
Scudamore Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: This may be a controversial view, but I've always felt that supporters show their true colours when the team isn't doing so well. I've seen plenty of other teams where their club has been in turmoil, but their support has been as loud as ever. I bet Leeds' away support is still loud - despite all the crap at their club over the years. But nobody's had it worse than us...woe is me...
manzo Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. I didn't realise that the season finished next week? Christ, we'd have been relegated at The Dell if that attitude had prevailed.
Andy_Porter Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Really can't see any reason to be optimistic about staying up this season. Even if we managed to get into a position where we just need to beat Forest on the last day to survive we'd still **** that up.
Weston Saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 I am totally against any form of protest against the board whilst the game is in play.
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 manzo said: I didn't realise that the season finished next week? Christ, we'd have been relegated at The Dell if that attitude had prevailed. There is a difference, there is a time to say 'enough is enough' Barring an absolute miracle, we are relegated. How many times this season have you seen a performance worthy of Saints staying up? Reading away and Derby away are the only 2 games that spring to mind. There are now only 14 games left and we have not even shown the slightest glimmer of turning things round, if anything, we are getting worse!
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 Weston Saint said: I am totally against any form of protest against the board whilst the game is in play. You would be though, as you have conflicting interests. I am totally for spending the whole 90 minutes making it as intimidating as possible for Lowe and Wilde, anyone who says it affects the players performance is deluded.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: You would be though, as you have conflicting interests. I am totally for spending the whole 90 minutes making it as intimidating as possible for Lowe and Wilde, anyone who says it affects the players performance is deluded. What if you are deluded and you think it doesn't affect the players? I think we should cater for all here.
trousers Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Weston Saint said: I am totally against any form of protest against the board whilst the game is in play. Regardless of the outcome?
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: You would be though, as you have conflicting interests. I am totally for spending the whole 90 minutes making it as intimidating as possible for Lowe and Wilde, anyone who says it affects the players performance is deluded. Then why do clubs kick to their fans second half. Speak to the pro footballers and they will tell you the fans do help.I was talking to a couple of the Luton players when they went and played at Bournemouth and said to them about their good away support on the night and they said how much it meant to them and did give them a boost. I know the team havent performed at home but surely it will turn soon.I f not you are right and we are doomed.
wagon 84 Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want? I'm up for 90mins of sing lowe & sack the fukin lot of em, then turn our frustration on the stewards..
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want? It is time. "Get behind the team, FFS" has been trotted out far too many times this season, with ZERO response from the team.
wagon 84 Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 wagon 84 said: I'm up for 90mins of sing lowe & sack the fukin lot of em, then turn our frustration on the stewards.. swing
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 nickh said: Then why do clubs kick to their fans second half. Speak to the pro footballers and they will tell you the fans do help.I was talking to a couple of the Luton players when they went and played at Bournemouth and said to them about their good away support on the night and they said how much it meant to them and did give them a boost. I know the team havent performed at home but surely it will turn soon.I f not you are right and we are doomed. It surely gives a 'boost' but no more than that and not enough to affect the result. We have given them great support this season and last..... how many games have we won? We can't go on forever wrapping the players up in cotton wool, especially when the protests are not about them.
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Weston Saint said: I am totally against any form of protest against the board whilst the game is in play. Sorry, R, that makes you part of the problem (imo, of course).
Legod Third Coming Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: This may be a controversial view, but I've always felt that supporters show their true colours when the team isn't doing so well. I've seen plenty of other teams where their club has been in turmoil, but their support has been as loud as ever. I bet Leeds' away support is still loud - despite all the crap at their club over the years. Team wins or is playing well - support is good. Team plays poorly or is obviously going to lose - support is bad. ANY team, anywhere in the world. Leeds away support when they were 3-0 down to us was diabolical. When they scored 4 it got considerably louder, funny that... The vocal quality of our support is a reflection of the way our team is being mismanaged, mis-formulated and mis-directed.
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: It surely gives a 'boost' but no more than that and not enough to affect the result. We have given them great support this season and last..... how many games have we won? We can't go on forever wrapping the players up in cotton wool, especially when the protests are not about them. You wont change your mind and will be egging the fans on to sing anti Lowe songs.You will believe you are doing it for the right reasons but take it from me you are only cutting off your nose to spite your face.if the atmosphere is not focussed on supporting the team then we will most definatley lose.it may be best is the Saints go marching out do not come back to the stadium for the game.
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Legod Third Coming said: Team wins or is playing well - support is good. Team plays poorly or is obviously going to lose - support is bad. ANY team, anywhere in the world. Leeds away support when they were 3-0 down to us was diabolical. When they scored 4 it got considerably louder, funny that... The vocal quality of our support is a reflection of the way our team is being mismanaged, mis-formulated and mis-directed. The Leeds support we singing loudly at 3-0 down. Any other lies you want to peddle?
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 alpine_saint said: It is time. "Get behind the team, FFS" has been trotted out far too many times this season, with ZERO response from the team. How would you know, you've don't go to games. You just make stuff up and get angry about it.
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Legod Third Coming said: Leeds away support when they were 3-0 down to us was diabolical. When they scored 4 it got considerably louder, funny that... The vocal quality of our support is a reflection of the way our team is being mismanaged, mis-formulated and mis-directed.You are wrong , the Leeds support was superb throughout that game and it was thier fans belief that roared them on.the players didnt give up as the fans hadn't.I have never liked Leeds fans but from that day i have the utmost respect for their support.
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 nickh said: You wont change your mind and will be egging the fans on to sing anti Lowe songs.You will believe you are doing it for the right reasons but take it from me you are only cutting off your nose to spite your face.if the atmosphere is not focussed on supporting the team then we will most definatley lose.it may be best is the Saints go marching out do not come back to the stadium for the game. So you are saying that if we don't support the team then we will definately lose? LMFAO Seriously Nick, how many games have we won due to the support this season, how many? Don't mention Reading, as even though we had large numbers there, the support was average at best, as was Derby. So Nick, which games this season has our outstanding support pushed us on to win the game?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: So you are saying that if we don't support the team then we will definately lose? LMFAO Seriously Nick, how many games have we won due to the support this season, how many? Don't mention Reading, as even though we had large numbers there, the support was average at best, as was Derby. So Nick, which games this season has our outstanding support pushed us on to win the game? I think it is more to do with the negative response it will have on the players by protesting, rather than the positive response you get from singing etc. Christ, they are having a bad time of it and perhaps singing for 90 minutes will not lift them to play like Brazil, but I suspect hearing nothing but "sack the board" and "Lowe out" might make them perform slightly worse, somehow.
manzo Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 How many times do I have to post links to articles from football players that state the fans support does make a difference (good and bad)? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gavinstrachan/2009/02/get_on_and_support_new_campaig.html (third paragraph from the end) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7771014.stm
egreog Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 It will make little difference to these no hopers what is coming from the stands............the encouragement they have received so far this season has hardly raised a whimper of determination so what are they going to do if it gets more negative?........walk off with their toys!?? Frankly, they should know by now that what is happening on and off the pitch is unacceptable and a laughing stock within football.......Any "team" worth its salt would knuckle down and say "Lets show them we can do it" if things got negative...........I think, from previous experience of this crew that will not happen.................in fact I know it will not happen........
View From The Top Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 How many times has our support been top draw only to be let down by the players? Blackburn away in our relegation season sums it up. Massive numbers, awesome support and how do the players react? Fall apart. We are down, we have been since August. Now is the time to act to ensure L1 is as low as we go.
hypochondriac Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 manzo said: How many times do I have to post links to articles from football players that state the fans support does make a difference (good and bad)? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gavinstrachan/2009/02/get_on_and_support_new_campaig.html (third paragraph from the end) http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7771014.stm Not much evidence of our support making a difference this season (unless you count losing 3-0 instead of 4 or 5.
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: So you are saying that if we don't support the team then we will definately lose? LMFAO Seriously Nick, how many games have we won due to the support this season, how many? Don't mention Reading, as even though we had large numbers there, the support was average at best, as was Derby. So Nick, which games this season has our outstanding support pushed us on to win the game?Perhaps definately was the wrong word.Unhelpful and counter productive. I have said that the support has been good and that we have yet to be repaid. Put it another way, if we were going to play away at another club and knew the fans would be up against their own board and ready to turn against the team at any moment we would be rubbing our hands.
alpine_saint Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 nickh said: Put it another way, if we were going to play away at another club and knew the fans would be up against their own board and ready to turn against the team at any moment we would be rubbing our hands. And we'd still lose. Southampton is the team that gifted Southend an end to their 17 game run without a win.
manji Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: This may be a controversial view, but I've always felt that supporters show their true colours when the team isn't doing so well. I've seen plenty of other teams where their club has been in turmoil, but their support has been as loud as ever. I bet Leeds' away support is still loud - despite all the crap at their club over the years. Totally agree. If there was another war I wouldnt want half the bed-wetters that post on here sat in the trenches with me. I also get the feeling that there are also some on here that are starting to enjoy the protest ******** as well.They seem to be getting a kick on how to protest next and also revelling in the attention they are getting too.
eelpie Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: How many people are now prepared to forget all about 'supporting the lads' and bringing the protests in to the 90 minutes as well? We are already down, the vast majority of people realise that. Will people boo if some fans end up on the pitch, or chanting Lowe Out etc against Preston? Or are people so fed up they are prepared to let people protest in any way they want? We are NOT mathematically down. Nowhere near. Norwich are in almost as much difficulty as we are. And if we play as well as we apparently did against Brizzol (and we had opportunities to score) there is still hope. To give up imo is to insult the generations of Saints fans who had that fighting spirit. Are we wimps? So DEFINITELY NO DEMOS DURING MATCHES.
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 hypochondriac said: Not much evidence of our support making a difference this season (unless you count losing 3-0 instead of 4 or 5. Our support at home has been a pile of crap all season.
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 eelpie said: We are NOT mathematically down. Nowhere near. Norwich are in almost as much difficulty as we are. And if we play as well as we apparently did against Brizzol (and we had opportunities to score) there is still hope. To give up imo is to insult the generations of Saints fans who had that fighting spirit. Are we wimps? So DEFINITELY NO DEMOS DURING MATCHES. Who told you we played well on Saturday? We were most definately not and NEVER looked like winning the game or even taking a point. It's not giving up, it is being realistic and getting Lowe and Wilde out before it is too late. Oh, and MR CAPITAL LETTERS, don't you think the last line should read " There will be no demos during the match from me " , or are you telling everyone else what to do?
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: Our support at home has been a pile of crap all season. That i think is unfair. I agree with you on many of your other points sepecially the 'in the trenches' spirit.
OldNick Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 StuRomseySaint said: Who told you we played well on Saturday? We were most definately not and NEVER looked like winning the game or even taking a point. You are wrong thereStu , up to the last seconds we were in there for a point
bungle Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 nickh said: That i think is unfair. I agree with you on many of your other points sepecially the 'in the trenches' spirit. I don't believe it is unfair. I have been to all but one home game and the support on the whole has been appalling.
StuRomseySaint Posted 16 February, 2009 Author Posted 16 February, 2009 nickh said: You are wrong thereStu , up to the last seconds we were in there for a point Simply based on the fact we were only 1-0 down, due to some great goalkeeping and a missed penalty, not because we deserved a point or were pushing them for a goal. Yes we hit the post, but their keeper was not tested all game.
Dalek2003 Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 IMO we should support the players on the pitch WHILE WE WE STILL HAVE A CHANCE OF SURVIVAL. I am not optimistic, far from it, but we should wit until we are definately down before we start demos in the stadium on matchdays. We need to try and do something to bolster confidence at SMS.
Saint_clark Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 If we go 1 down V Preston, the protests will start.
hamster Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 What effect did our support have in Cardiff 2003?
Saint_clark Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 bungle said: This may be a controversial view, but I've always felt that supporters show their true colours when the team isn't doing so well. I've seen plenty of other teams where their club has been in turmoil, but their support has been as loud as ever. I bet Leeds' away support is still loud - despite all the crap at their club over the years. But Leeds are on the up. And, correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure they have a larger population than Southampton?
buctootim Posted 16 February, 2009 Posted 16 February, 2009 Saint_clark said: But Leeds are on the up. Thats sums up the problem. As Bungle said the true measure of fans is how they react when things are ****e, not how loud the support is when we're winning.
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