IF we had appointed a decent British manager after Portvliet

[saintjay77]

I agree, there is no reason why a good foreign manager cannot succeed but when hiring managers with no record in this country you are taking extra risks. There are managers with better records than Wotte/Poortvleit AND they achived it in this country - that's my point as to why the appointments dont make sense.

 

If we could cherry pick whoever we wanted from Europe like QPR it wouldnt matter.

 

But does a so called good english manager command a price higher than that of the same level foreign manager?

 

I mean it happens with the players so I am guessing its the same for managers.

 

Someone mentioned Ince earlier as he did well with MK Dons and he knows English footy, would be cheap as opposed to tried and tested decent managers but would he be as cheap as a foreign manager of the same pedegre or level as him?

 

We are not a club that turns over huge sums of money so we will never be able to afford the top managers. We will always be in the position that should we need a new manager it will probably be either an unknown or someone that has failed elswhere. Its the only ones we can afford TBH. GB had something to prove as did WGS and Hoddle. Gray, Wigley, Sturrock, Pearson, Dodd and Gorman all were nothing more than punts.

 

I can accept being in this situation and until we can fill a 60,000 seater stadium anywhere in the world I cant see it being much different.

 

The problem we have is that the track record of those in charge has seen more failures than success so we have no trust that any decission they make will work.

 

I dont think the board have done anything out of spite but they have made the wrong decissions too often. I dont see how that will be any different no matter who is in the board but that shouldnt be the debate.

 

If we do change Again! then I worry that we will just be another step further into the barrel and the cheap options will just get cheaper. At some point we will all either have to walk away for good or support the choice that is made and accept that for what it is.

 

Cant say I like it but cant do anything about it either as I cant afford to buy the club.

[aintforever]

But does a so called good english manager command a price higher than that of the same level foreign manager?

 

I mean it happens with the players so I am guessing its the same for managers.

 

Someone mentioned Ince earlier as he did well with MK Dons and he knows English footy, would be cheap as opposed to tried and tested decent managers but would he be as cheap as a foreign manager of the same pedegre or level as him?

 

We are not a club that turns over huge sums of money so we will never be able to afford the top managers. We will always be in the position that should we need a new manager it will probably be either an unknown or someone that has failed elswhere. Its the only ones we can afford TBH. GB had something to prove as did WGS and Hoddle. Gray, Wigley, Sturrock, Pearson, Dodd and Gorman all were nothing more than punts.

 

I can accept being in this situation and until we can fill a 60,000 seater stadium anywhere in the world I cant see it being much different.

 

The problem we have is that the track record of those in charge has seen more failures than success so we have no trust that any decission they make will work.

 

I dont think the board have done anything out of spite but they have made the wrong decissions too often. I dont see how that will be any different no matter who is in the board but that shouldnt be the debate.

 

If we do change Again! then I worry that we will just be another step further into the barrel and the cheap options will just get cheaper. At some point we will all either have to walk away for good or support the choice that is made and accept that for what it is.

 

Cant say I like it but cant do anything about it either as I cant afford to buy the club.

 

English managers would cost more than most foreign but the manager's salary is insignificant compared to players wages/fees etc. Hiring a manager because they are cheap will always be a false economy - 1 bad signing and you've more than lost anything you've made form their wages.

 

Every manager is a risk, if we hired Jose Moriniho there would be a risk. Hiring an inexperienced foreign manager just multiplies all those risks - we were not in a position to add more.

[um pahars]

Wotte has experience and with inexperienced players so in some ways this job is right up his street.

 

How did you come to that opinion???

 

Looking at Wotte's CV, I accept that it's better than Poortvliet's, but then so again is Stuart Ritchies!!!!!!!

 

Wotte is no outstanding Dutch manager, his CV is littered with failure, relegations and short tenures.

 

If Poortvliet got bigged up for taking Den Bosch to promotion when they were coming back from financial turmoil, then you have to look at the season before, when it was Wotte who was at the helm when they were relegated and went in to financial turmoil.

 

Being honest, and I'm not running us down, if he was any good, then he wouldn't have been appointed as reserve team coach with us last summer.

[CB Fry]

After Portvliet had "resigned" do you think we could have survived had Leon Crouch and Lawrie been allowed to select a decent British manager?

 

With the rubbish players we've got and clueless coaching they've had all season it would have been a tall order for any new manger to have turned this season around, but i do feel that if we could have got someone like Billy Davies in we'd have had half a chance.

 

 

Crouch and Lawrie had an opportunity to appoint a decent British manager when Burley left, but Lawrie took the opportunity to act the big man and play out his little "I've still got it" fantasy.

[um pahars]

Crouch and Lawrie had an opportunity to appoint a decent British manager when Burley left, but Lawrie took the opportunity to act the big man and play out his little "I've still got it" fantasy.

 

Are you referring to the Dodd and Gorman tenure???

 

I've never got my head around that one.

 

I never had it down as a permanent set up, merely that they were holding the fort until they appointed someone (although I know there was that statement saying something like they were here for the forseeable future or whatever - has anyone got a link to it). I also didn't consider that they were sacked when Pearson came in.

 

I know Exit2 has an in to Dodd, so would be interested to know as to whether Dodd thought they had the job full time or whether he thought they were just keeping the seat warm.

[Whitey Grandad]

Are you referring to the Dodd and Gorman tenure???

 

I've never got my head around that one.

 

I never had it down as a permanent set up, merely that they were holding the fort until they appointed someone (although I know there was that statement saying something like they were here for the forseeable future or whatever - has anyone got a link to it). I also didn't consider that they were sacked when Pearson came in.

 

I know Exit2 has an in to Dodd, so would be interested to know as to whether Dodd thought they had the job full time or whether he thought they were just keeping the seat warm.

Surely nobody though that they were a permanent fixture?

[Thedelldays]

Surely nobody though that they were a permanent fixture?

lawrie was right behind them

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9711

 

 

even this little beauty...they even mention a possible take over..

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9707

[um pahars]

lawrie was right behind them

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9711

 

 

even this little beauty...they even mention a possible take over..

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9707

 

Both of them mention "forseeable future" and I certainly never read that as permanent.

 

In the second one there is the line,

 

"We always said we would take our time to make sure we appoint the right person and that is what we are doing."

 

And I read that as them saying we are in the hunt for someone, but there is no rush as these two are doing alright for now.

 

I certainly never read anything in there to suggest it was permanent, but obviously some people did read it that way.

 

DellDays, did you think these two were appointed full time and permanent???

 

(And PS this is no defence of Crouch, Lawrie et al, because IMHO the minute we knew Burley was going, or in with a shout of going, we should have been looking right then, and not wasted 5 or so matches including the FA Cup tie. They dillied and dallied too long in replcing Burley!!!!).

[Whitey Grandad]

lawrie was right behind them

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9711

 

 

even this little beauty...they even mention a possible take over..

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9707

From reading the second one it is pretty clear to me that this was a temporary appointment. There are phrases like 'earned the right to continue in their caretaker roles' and 'will not rush the appointment'. The bit about 'serious ambitions to make the play-offs' does look a bit rash, though. :roll:

[um pahars]

From reading the second one it is pretty clear to me that this was a temporary appointment. There are phrases like 'earned the right to continue in their caretaker roles' and 'will not rush the appointment'. The bit about 'serious ambitions to make the play-offs' does look a bit rash, though. :roll:

 

And not an attributable quote, merely something from the editor, but there is also:

 

It allows the Club to take their time over the hunt for a replacement for George Burley.

[Whitey Grandad]

And not an attributable quote, merely something from the editor, but there is also:

 

It allows the Club to take their time over the hunt for a replacement for George Burley.

Apart from anything else, we all knew it wouldn't last, didn't we?

[CB Fry]

Um, I think the point was we didn't need more "time" to hunt for that replacement - it wasn't like the Scotland thing was completely out of the blue - the whole thing took a good fortnight so they already had time to draw up shortlists.

 

The point was and is the Dodd/Gorman appointment was a non decision, a bottle out which was completely uncalled for. Billy Davies was sitting by the phone, and Alan Smith seemed to be on every available media outlet begging for his boy Chris Coleman to be given the job.

 

And isn't it funny that they their search sped up somewhat one day after national humilation on BBC1? So much for taking time.

 

The point is, our posh friend doesn't have a monopoly on appalling/gutless/cheapo managerial decisions.

[um pahars]

Um, I think the point was we didn't need more "time" to hunt for that replacement - it wasn't like the Scotland thing was completely out of the blue - the whole thing took a good fortnight so they already had time to draw up shortlists.

 

The point was and is the Dodd/Gorman appointment was a non decision, a bottle out which was completely uncalled for. Billy Davies was sitting by the phone, and Alan Smith seemed to be on every available media outlet begging for his boy Chris Coleman to be given the job.

 

And isn't it funny that they their search sped up somewhat one day after national humilation on BBC1? So much for taking time.

 

The point is, our posh friend doesn't have a monopoly on appalling/gutless/cheapo managerial decisions.

 

Oh, I agree.

 

As I said above, the minute Scotland came sniffing we should have been looking to line someone up.

 

Even though Burley wasn't the favourite (can't remember who was), there was a chance he could quickly leave and we should have been looking to replace him straight away.

 

IMHO the dillying and dallying by Crouch, Lawrie et al was a mistake, it's just that I had it down as a "too long" holding pattern, as opposed to a poor appointment.

 

A subtle difference, if you catch my drift, which in no way excuses the fact that they wasted too much time in getting a replacement in.

[Whitey Grandad]

To be fair, I though that we started their first game in charge very brightly and were desperately unlucky to lose. (there's that word again)

[Scudamore]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9711

 

This one goes a little further to implying that they were getting the job fulltime...in a hopefully this will work dithering kind of way...

 

Lawrie is a football man though apparently...

 

Then the Bristol Rovers game *shudder*

 

Then we had this little piece about how Gorman just wanted to get the players ready to roll for the next game...

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9754

 

And then on the same day this...

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9759

 

Nigel Pearson (Football Genius) arrives...

 

"John Gorman and Jason Dodd who are 100 per cent behind the appointment" apparently...despite obviously only just having heard about it...

 

If it were Rupert all this would be described as very cloak and dagger i'm sure...

 

Anyway quite interesting to see how that one all panned out...maybe if they'd made the decisive actions required and got Pearson in a little earlier we could have extended that Cup run a little further and had something positive to remember about last season aside from a last day escape act...and in turn made Pearson that little bit more unsackable...

 

But hell...if he'd come in earlier we may have finished a little higher up the table and Wilde could have stayed out of matters and kept Rupert where he belongs...fishing or shooting and such like...

[um pahars]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=9711

 

This one goes a little further to implying that they were getting the job fulltime...in a hopefully this will work dithering kind of way...

 

But that's just a part of the same interview where he then says they're going to take their time to get the right appointment etc etc etc, which also adds the bit about the Club taking their time to find Burley's replacement.

 

I honestly struggle to see anything in that interview, reported in two articles on the OS, that suggests, or even implies, that Dodd and Gorman had got the job(s) on a permanent basis.

 

And as I said above, I think Crouch, Lawrie et al handled the replacement of Burley poorly, but I don't think there's anything that actually shows Dodd and Gorman were appointed on a permanent basis (and there's plenty of quotes and eveidence that suggests they were only caretakers).

 

But hell...if he'd come in earlier we may have finished a little higher up the table and Wilde could have stayed out of matters and kept Rupert where he belongs...fishing or shooting and such like...

 

It may not have gone to the wire if Pearson had come in earlier, but I doubt Wilde and Lowe would have stayed away.

 

IMHO Wilde made his decision to oust Crouch when Crouch rebuffed Wilde's advances for a seat on the Board.

 

Not long after Crouch called Hone & co's bluff, Wilde went public in The Echo saying something like "Leon and Trant deserve a pat on the back and Leon and I are working together". Crouch wasn't interested in reciprocating this advance, Wilde felt jilted and so ran into the arms of Lowe.

 

The cards were already dealt before Crouch dillied and dallied over replacing Burley.

[Stu Man Do]

Would still be very difficult with our squad. And why go on about billy davies? We couldn't afford him and very unlikely convince him to come here. We have 4 or 5 coaches working for a pittance in football terms. Despite rumours to the contrary, the combined salaries of Wotte and JP didn't get close to beating Pearsons. Counting other coaches is innaccurate as Pearson would have had coaches too.

 

For the record, I wanted Pearson to stay and would obviously have preferred him to JP or MW. I'd also have given him time, I think, despite the fact I think it's likely we'd still be near the bottom. But I don't especially want MW given much time, because I just don't like him.

 

Adrian I do agree with your points however do you actually know how much Pearson was on? Not having a go just would be nice to actually have some facts on here about the relative wages cheers

[saintjay77]

How did you come to that opinion???

 

Looking at Wotte's CV, I accept that it's better than Poortvliet's, but then so again is Stuart Ritchies!!!!!!!

 

Wotte is no outstanding Dutch manager, his CV is littered with failure, relegations and short tenures.

 

If Poortvliet got bigged up for taking Den Bosch to promotion when they were coming back from financial turmoil, then you have to look at the season before, when it was Wotte who was at the helm when they were relegated and went in to financial turmoil.

 

Being honest, and I'm not running us down, if he was any good, then he wouldn't have been appointed as reserve team coach with us last summer.

 

Was he not in charge of the dutch under 21's? Also have a spell at Feyenord?

 

Im not trying to big him up as anything special but figured he was meant to be a better choice than JP. Why JP got the nod ahead of him I will never know but if that is the standard of manager we are aiming for then god help us.

 

I have said before that I can understand/support the direction the club is trying to take but I think the ingredients are all wrong for it to be a success.

 

Build a strong club from the bottom up attracting the top youth players and bringing them through into our 1st team. That way we get a strong team with some good saught after players without paying loads out on big money signings. Great idea in theory but a mamoth task in practice.

[Scudamore]

I'm not going to argue the point here...because frankly who cares...but i will just add that the first round of interviews were on the 24th January as Burley did the off...and that second interview with Lawrie Mac was on the 8th February...a full two weeks later and three further games to boot...now if this were the Echo i'd expect rehashing of old quotes...but the OS don't tend to go for that so much. So that leads me to think that they were (at that stage) well in line for the job full time...

 

In the meanwhile both Skacel and Rasiak were spirited away in this interim...once again if it were Rupert in charge the accusations would be that he had merely kept on the weak duo so he could have his evil way in doing the dirty on us by getting rid of two of our best players which a strongwilled manager would never allow, etc.

 

By the way i am in no way implying you would say any of these things...nor do i believe that you are endorsing their actions over the whole issue...i add that caveat because i want to go to bed...and not to sit here arguing recent Saints history...

[um pahars]

Im not trying to big him up as anything special but figured he was meant to be a better choice than JP. Why JP got the nod ahead of him I will never know but if that is the standard of manager we are aiming for then god help us.

 

And that sounds fair enough.

 

I don't think his CV is that good, particularly when you consider how many of his roles panned out and how his tenures are perceived, but of course that's just my perception.

 

However, I also can't help but think if he was any good, then he would have been able to have got a better job than running our ressies!!!!

[um pahars]

I'm not going to argue the point here...because frankly who cares...but i will just add that the first round of interviews were on the 24th January as Burley did the off...and that second interview with Lawrie Mac was on the 8th February...a full two weeks later and three further games to boot...now if this were the Echo i'd expect rehashing of old quotes...but the OS don't tend to go for that so much. So that leads me to think that they were (at that stage) well in line for the job full time...

 

And in that interview of the 7th Feb (reported on 7th and 8th on the OS) McMenemy (and Hiley) are quite clear that the hunt for a replacement for Burley is still going on, that Gorman and Dodd are caretakers etc etc etc.

 

They were never appointed permanently, they were always just keeping the seat warm, the problem was that they were left as seat warmers for too long.

 

In the meanwhile both Skacel and Rasiak were spirited away in this interim...once again if it were Rupert in charge the accusations would be that he had merely kept on the weak duo so he could have his evil way in doing the dirty on us by getting rid of two of our best players which a strongwilled manager would never allow, etc.

 

Given that the window was closing as Burley was leaving us, and that Burley going wasn't a shock, then Crouch et al should have got their act together much quicker to install someone who should have been a praty to any transfer decisions (even if there were financial drivers).

 

They dillied and dallied too long IMHO, and I have no problem saying that. IMHO, the period of instability also added to our problems on the pitch which meant the position Pearson inherited was worse than it might have been.

[saintjay77]

And that sounds fair enough.

 

I don't think his CV is that good, particularly when you consider how many of his roles panned out and how his tenures are perceived, but of course that's just my perception.

 

However, I also can't help but think if he was any good, then he would have been able to have got a better job than running our ressies!!!!

 

yeah I dont understand where they were going with that one. There was talk about him coming before GB and he didnt get it, then to later join the club but in a less of a job is a bit strange. But I dont think we will ever find out what the thinking behind all of this was.

 

On paper his CV doesnt look great with relegations and problems but I figured he was still fairly well regarded in Holand which suggests to me that not all that went wrong was down to him.

 

To use Pearson as an example if we went down last season his CV would show 1 relegation but would any of us blame that on him? The damage was done before he got here and although I dont think he done anything spectacular with us I wouldnt have thought Scolari would have done any better so IMO he would be able to hold his head high.

 

I dont know enough about Wottes History to know if any of that fits with him but it is another possible way to look at it.

[um pahars]

On paper his CV doesnt look great with relegations and problems but I figured he was still fairly well regarded in Holand which suggests to me that not all that went wrong was down to him.

 

Saint Martini (based in Holland) has always been fairly middle of the road with his contributions and this is what he had to say about Wotte:

 

 

The thing with Wotte is that he never manages to stay anywhere long and even though he has held higher profile jobs then Poortvliet I don't think he's a better manager. He just comes over a bit more sophisticated and has more smooth talk. It might work on the short term but I can guarantee you he will be gone with 1.5 years.

 

 

And from everything I have read and gleaned from over in Hollnad, he is not that well regarded (in fact many have it down as the complete opposite).

 

Just as I genuinely hoped Jan could pull it off, I hope Wotte will do the same. He and his team will get my support at matches, so I'm happy to live up to my side of the bargain (that's not unconditional support BTW).

[NickG]

I doubt whether he is thought of as anything more than short term

[saintjay77]

Saint Martini (based in Holland) has always been fairly middle of the road with his contributions and this is what he had to say about Wotte:

 

 

The thing with Wotte is that he never manages to stay anywhere long and even though he has held higher profile jobs then Poortvliet I don't think he's a better manager. He just comes over a bit more sophisticated and has more smooth talk. It might work on the short term but I can guarantee you he will be gone with 1.5 years.

 

 

And from everything I have read and gleaned from over in Hollnad, he is not that well regarded (in fact many have it down as the complete opposite).

 

Just as I genuinely hoped Jan could pull it off, I hope Wotte will do the same. He and his team will get my support at matches, so I'm happy to live up to my side of the bargain (that's not unconditional support BTW).

 

I think I am with you on that one. I will be more than happy if he can do the business and the team will get my support no matter who is in charge.

 

He only has a contract till the end of the season so if all goes bad we we wont have to put up with him next season.

 

Fair points from Holland, like I said I havnt dug into his past too much but guessing from some of his appointments figured he was regarded somewhere for something. If we just wrote off managers for there past results would we have ever warmed to WGS? I think generally most fans will get behind the team/manager if they look to be moving in the right direction dispite what they may or may not have done in the past.

[Frank's cousin]

If we just wrote off managers for there past results would we have ever warmed to WGS? I think generally most fans will get behind the team/manager if they look to be moving in the right direction dispite what they may or may not have done in the past.

 

I think thats a very good point - but I guess its worth remembering that the emotions ssociated with the negativity that usually surrounds managerial change tend to make us miore negative towards the untried...

[saint1977]

But that's just a part of the same interview where he then says they're going to take their time to get the right appointment etc etc etc, which also adds the bit about the Club taking their time to find Burley's replacement.

 

I honestly struggle to see anything in that interview, reported in two articles on the OS, that suggests, or even implies, that Dodd and Gorman had got the job(s) on a permanent basis.

 

And as I said above, I think Crouch, Lawrie et al handled the replacement of Burley poorly, but I don't think there's anything that actually shows Dodd and Gorman were appointed on a permanent basis (and there's plenty of quotes and eveidence that suggests they were only caretakers).

 

 

 

It may not have gone to the wire if Pearson had come in earlier, but I doubt Wilde and Lowe would have stayed away.

 

IMHO Wilde made his decision to oust Crouch when Crouch rebuffed Wilde's advances for a seat on the Board.

 

Not long after Crouch called Hone & co's bluff, Wilde went public in The Echo saying something like "Leon and Trant deserve a pat on the back and Leon and I are working together". Crouch wasn't interested in reciprocating this advance, Wilde felt jilted and so ran into the arms of Lowe.

 

The cards were already dealt before Crouch dillied and dallied over replacing Burley.

 

In hindsight although I've no time for Wilde at all and detest him as much as Askham, it might have been better for Leon to have given him his seat. Wilde would have been pretty absent anyway and it might have kept Lowe out.

[saintjay77]

I think thats a very good point - but I guess its worth remembering that the emotions ssociated with the negativity that usually surrounds managerial change tend to make us miore negative towards the untried...

 

but that is hardly suprising given our track record for the untried. Our patience has run out and I think only results can change the way we feel.

 

I very much doubt that there are many managers that would be both affordable and instantly accepted right now.

[NickG]

but that is hardly suprising given our track record for the untried. Our patience has run out and I think only results can change the way we feel.

 

I very much doubt that there are many managers that would be both affordable and instantly accepted right now.

 

 

or any?

 

It would be interesting to see if there was a name that most of us agree would be a good appointment, in the right sort of salary level and would be available and interested?? (with or without Lowe)

 

Managers will either be untried or failed at this level to be available.

[SaintRichmond]

After Portvliet had "resigned" do you think we could have survived had Leon Crouch and Lawrie been allowed to select a decent British manager?

 

With the rubbish players we've got and clueless coaching they've had all season it would have been a tall order for any new manger to have turned this season around, but i do feel that if we could have got someone like Billy Davies in we'd have had half a chance.

 

 

If Saints had appointed a decent British Manager ............. he would have inherited exactly the same Squad of players that Poortvliet had ....... collectively, NOT up to CCC standard

 

It would be the same as asking Lewis Hamilton to win the Formula One series in a Sinclair Mk 5

 

Or, as Lowe The Businessman would no doubt agree ...... if the Goods on offer are substandard, the Business it self will subsequently FAIL

[saintjay77]

or any?

 

It would be interesting to see if there was a name that most of us agree would be a good appointment, in the right sort of salary level and would be available and interested?? (with or without Lowe)

 

Managers will either be untried or failed at this level to be available.

 

I think thats my point. We as fans of a top flight club for over 30 years expect more of our team and our fortunes. For years we proved many wrong yet now we cant seem to get anything right.

 

its not like we have ever really been a fantastic team yet we allways expected fantastic results.

 

Now we are in the same position but lower down the league yet our expectations are still looking for managers like Hoddle, Reid, Ince, Venables, Davis, WGS, Dowie and many more profile managers.

 

Im affraid we are stuck with the dregs and its going to be hit and hope on finding one that can do enough to break into that standard of manager that people deem to be decent.

[Wiltshire Saint]

After Portvliet had "resigned" do you think we could have survived had Leon Crouch and Lawrie been allowed to select a decent British manager?

 

With the rubbish players we've got and clueless coaching they've had all season it would have been a tall order for any new manger to have turned this season around, but i do feel that if we could have got someone like Billy Davies in we'd have had half a chance.

 

I don't get this obsession with the manager being a Brit. Martinez seems to be doing fine at Swansea (to quote a CCC example). I'd agree with anyone who says that JP/MW are making a pig's ear of things, on the face of it, but not that the next manager must absolutely, positively be British.

 

That's a fair point, but i still think we need a British manager.

 

Why?

 

Stanley,

 

You haven't offered an answer to the question Deano6 has put to you. Why do we need a British manager? What makes us different to Swansea?

 

Since WGS left this has been our management record:

Mark Wotte 23-01-2009 Present

Jan Poortvliet 29-05-2008 23-01-2009

Nigel Pearson 18-02-2008 29-05-2008

John Gorman 24-01-2008 18-02-2008

George Burley 23-12-2005 24-01-2008

Dave Bassett 02-12-2005 23-12-2005

Harry Redknapp 08-12-2004 02-12-2005

Steve Wigley 23-08-2004 08-12-2004

Paul Sturrock 04-03-2004 23-08-2004

Steve Wigley 13-02-2004 04-03-2004

 

I have highlighted all the British managers in red. Hardely makes great reading does it? Does being British mean that they are automatically better at managing? Maybe you could explain the lack of British managers in the prem or abroad then? Martinez played for Swansea for a long time so knows the club and loves it. You could suggest that Claus is similar to that for us. Would I want him as a manager? Probably not, but not because he isn't British (because there is no sensible reason to discrimate against him because of his nationality.....in fact it could be seen as xenophobic, not that I would suggest that is what you are as your post history shows no sign of xenophobia or racism) but because he has no experience. Would I take a non Brit who had a proven track record but never managed here? Of course I boody would.

 

To sum up:

Your point is a stupid one and you have not answered any of the relevant questions put to you.

Please answer the questions and then apologise for making a stupid point.

[Thedelldays]

To sum up:

Your point is a stupid one and you have not answered any of the relevant questions put to you.

Please answer the questions and then apologise for making a stupid point.

he NEVER answers questions put to him....just throws the insults

[saintjay77]

Stanley,

 

You haven't offered an answer to the question Deano6 has put to you. Why do we need a British manager? What makes us different to Swansea?

 

Since WGS left this has been our management record:

Mark Wotte 23-01-2009 Present

Jan Poortvliet 29-05-2008 23-01-2009

Nigel Pearson 18-02-2008 29-05-2008

John Gorman 24-01-2008 18-02-2008

George Burley 23-12-2005 24-01-2008

Dave Bassett 02-12-2005 23-12-2005

Harry Redknapp 08-12-2004 02-12-2005

Steve Wigley 23-08-2004 08-12-2004

Paul Sturrock 04-03-2004 23-08-2004

Steve Wigley 13-02-2004 04-03-2004

 

I have highlighted all the British managers in red. Hardely makes great reading does it? Does being British mean that they are automatically better at managing? Maybe you could explain the lack of British managers in the prem or abroad then? Martinez played for Swansea for a long time so knows the club and loves it. You could suggest that Claus is similar to that for us. Would I want him as a manager? Probably not, but not because he isn't British (because there is no sensible reason to discrimate against him because of his nationality.....in fact it could be seen as xenophobic, not that I would suggest that is what you are as your post history shows no sign of xenophobia or racism) but because he has no experience. Would I take a non Brit who had a proven track record but never managed here? Of course I boody would.

 

To sum up:

Your point is a stupid one and you have not answered any of the relevant questions put to you.

Please answer the questions and then apologise for making a stupid point.

 

LOL brilliant. While it does highlight the lack on 1 persons vision Stanley cant be singled out for having his views as there are many who share them.

 

Not saying he is wrong in his thinking the same as you or I cant be wrong to think what we think. I did try however suggesting that our track record of british managers didnt leave allot to be desired but didnt get a response either.

 

We did also have WGS and Hoddle who make that list look a little better but it doesnt take away from the fact that being British means diddley squat