del boy Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Its time we gave up on this ridiculous experiment with experience, can't everyone see that it was doomed from the start, bring back the kids before its too late!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 remember when we thought we had hit rock bottom in May 05? How we misjudged that!! Sorry to be be the bearer of more depressing news but I was in East London yesterday so went to Orient v Crewe. On current form we would not get a point at Brisbane Road and these two teams are struggling to stay in Lg One! They are not great but Orient looked more organised, resilient and committed than we do. Next season will be tough, there is not going to be a speedy return without serious changes. On the bright side, the station is near their ground, there is parking, and apart from one old stand that looks ready for coming down they have redeveloped nicely with some flats in the corners of the ground and it is a good day out, so there is something to look forward to...a cheerier place than when I last went there with Saints on a cup run back in the day. No easy games in Lg One. Prepare for another season of woe, but hey, one more on the top of the last few is no big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Did anyone else see we were main game on the Championship... One thing that shocked me was the that the third nearest person to Sproule when he scored was the ref... Only Lloyd James and Surman ran back with him... Did we just give up or are we knackered/unfit at the end of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Did anyone else see we were main game on the Championship... One thing that shocked me was the that the third nearest person to Sproule when he scored was the ref... Only Lloyd James and Surman ran back with him... Did we just give up or are we knackered/unfit at the end of games? you are kidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Did anyone else see we were main game on the Championship... One thing that shocked me was the that the third nearest person to Sproule when he scored was the ref... Only Lloyd James and Surman ran back with him... Did we just give up or are we knackered/unfit at the end of games? Sproule gave James a 20-yard start and still skinned him. Surman very nearly got back in time but seemed to give up just at the last moment. It didn't affect the result though. Adebola's goal was criminal defending. Both centre-backs were tight-marking him and he just slipped between them. One of them should have been tight with the other covering deeper. He was well onside too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Because the current band wagon is to hate Wotte and McGoldrick and to love Saga, It doesn't matter what actually happens. No it is because fans understand football. They realise that Saga can sometimes be rubbish and then pop up with a goal out of nothing. He has that ability so when chasing a game I would not take him off, especially when you consider that he has the best recent striking rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 No it is because fans understand football. They realise that Saga can sometimes be rubbish and then pop up with a goal out of nothing. He has that ability so when chasing a game I would not take him off, especially when you consider that he has the best recent striking rate.I dont rate him highly but he did add something when he came back in the first few games.I wonder why we dont try BWP up alongside Saga and give DMG a rest(i still think he will develop but needs to be taken out of the firing line for a few games ).BWP scored twice at Reading and then was dropped it is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 (edited) you are kidding? Kidding.....no Have you not watched it? Just saw it again on Goals onSunday.. The ref is fitter than most of our team..... Edited 15 February, 2009 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Kidding.....no Have you not watched it? Just saw it again on Goals onSunday.. The ref is fitter than most of our team.....It was the last minute in injury time and we threw the whole team into the box to try and get a goal.Their keeper took the ball and threw it straight out and their player is very quick.There was no way any of our players would make up 20 ye ards on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 It was the last minute in injury time and we threw the whole team into the box to try and get a goal.Their keeper took the ball and threw it straight out and their player is very quick.There was no way any of our players would make up 20 ye ards on him Why do you continue to defend these players? maybe if you were at the game you would have witnessed a Saints team not that much worse than Bristol City regards ability but a bunch of players who were beaten by a more committed, motivated, fitter, organised team. The story of this season sadly :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 It was the last minute in injury time and we threw the whole team into the box to try and get a goal.Their keeper took the ball and threw it straight out and their player is very quick.There was no way any of our players would make up 20 ye ards on him Have you seen the goal????? Not overly fussed about conceding so late in the game, but once again what you have described is slightly out of touch with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Have you seen the goal????? Not overly fussed about conceding so late in the game, but once again what you have described is slightly out of touch with reality. i did see the goal and that dude is mighty quick...add that to the fact that our defence it not the quickest then you see what happens.. the very point sproule knocked the ball way past him as he knew he is quick and does that most weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 It was the last minute in injury time and we threw the whole team into the box to try and get a goal.Their keeper took the ball and threw it straight out and their player is very quick.There was no way any of our players would make up 20 ye ards on him I think you must have misunderstood me. Their player made up 20 yards on James, who must be one of the slowest 'fullbacks' in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Have you seen the goal????? Not overly fussed about conceding so late in the game, but once again what you have described is slightly out of touch with reality.How is what I described be out of touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Why do you continue to defend these players? maybe if you were at the game you would have witnessed a Saints team not that much worse than Bristol City regards ability but a bunch of players who were beaten by a more committed, motivated, fitter, organised team. The story of this season sadly :-( BC were not more comitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Why do you continue to defend these players? maybe if you were at the game you would have witnessed a Saints team not that much worse than Bristol City regards ability but a bunch of players who were beaten by a more committed, motivated, fitter, organised team. The story of this season sadly :-(How am I defending the players Andy.We are 1 down in injury time and the team pile into the box including the keeper.James is left to defend (when o myself would have put a speedier player to do so), to try and equalise. It was in the dying seconds, what was wrong none of our players blocked the keeper to stop him coming for the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 How is what I described be out of touch? This little ditty: There was no way any of our players would make up 20 yeards on him They did not have to make up 20 yards on him, they were the ones who had a headstart on Sproule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 How am I defending the players Andy.We are 1 down in injury time and the team pile into the box including the keeper.James is left to defend (when o myself would have put a speedier player to do so), to try and equalise. It was in the dying seconds, what was wrong none of our players blocked the keeper to stop him coming for the ball. I agree. We are arguing over (debating) the second goal when it was the first one that defeated us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 BC were not more comitted. I'd say Adebola was alot more committed than our forwards in giving our defenders a hard time throughout the game. Saints only decided to make an effort too late in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 This little ditty: They did not have to make up 20 yards on him, they were the ones who had a headstart on Sproulewell smarty pants the original post was in reply to the statement that the ref and 2 of our players were the only ones close to play and no others were to be seen.It was not about James and Surman.So I will accept your apology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 This little ditty: They did not have to make up 20 yards on him, they were the ones who had a headstart on Sproule but he is fast as fook and our players are not so...why do you think he knocked the ball way ahead in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 what was wrong none of our players blocked the keeper to stop him coming for the ball. a lack of know how and commitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 but he is fast as fook and our players are not so...why do you think he knocked the ball way ahead in the first place... I think this has been a regular criticism over the course of the season. According to one or two posters, this is because we have been 'unlucky'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 well smarty pants the original post was in reply to the statement that the ref and 2 of our players were the only ones close to play and no others were to be seen.It was not about James and Surman.So I will accept your apology Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Fair enough.I suppose a grudging acknowledgement is as much as I could expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 a lack of know how and commitment. thick as s### may also be reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 I suppose a grudging acknowledgement is as much as I could expect You can have a full blown apology if you want. I'm sorry. Fck me you're a right **** at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Fck me you're a right **** at times.Now that's better I thought you were going soft in your old age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 I think this has been a regular criticism over the course of the season. According to one or two posters, this is because we have been 'unlucky'. if sproule had dribbled the ball past james then fine..but the was clearly faster... we used to watch theo do that very same thing every week.. knock the ball way ahead of you into the space and make it a straight race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 well smarty pants the original post was in reply to the statement that the ref and 2 of our players were the only ones close to play and no others were to be seen.It was not about James and Surman.So I will accept your apology It was about the ref making more of an effort to keep up with him than the other 9 of our players.... The fact that they may not have caught him is irrelevant some more of the should have tried at least don`t you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 if sproule had dribbled the ball past james then fine..but the was clearly faster... we used to watch theo do that very same thing every week.. knock the ball way ahead of you into the space and make it a straight race Yes but 20 yards difference is rather a lot, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Yes but 20 yards difference is rather a lot, don't you think? not if you a are grease lightening and the ball is 40 yards ahead of you.. that guy is super quick..im not saying this to defend our players but it is a fact.. like I said, he does that alot hence the reason he knocked the ball way ahead of himself straight away...walcott does it alot..I remember when ashley young did it to lescott in the last min at goodison on telly a few weeks back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 It was about the ref making more of an effort to keep up with him than the other 9 of our players.... The fact that they may not have caught him is irrelevant some more of the should have tried at least don`t you think?Oh come on the ref is outside the box when a corner is taken. The cameras did not show anything else apart from the BC player and our back 2 , we dont know how many were 10yards behind by the time he scored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 not if you a are grease lightening and the ball is 40 yards ahead of you.. that guy is super quick..im not saying this to defend our players but it is a fact.. like I said, he does that alot hence the reason he knocked the ball way ahead of himself straight away...walcott does it alot..I remember when ashley young did it to lescott in the last min at goodison on telly a few weeks backGood examples DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Oh come on the ref is outside the box when a corner is taken. The cameras did not show anything else apart from the BC player and our back 2 , we dont know how many were 10yards behind by the time he scored So were some of our players. I expect you will find some of our players were nearer the half way line than the ref yet made little or no effort to get back... If you watch the clip again you will also see one player actually give up running,may have been scniderlien,not sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 So were some of our players. I expect you will find some of our players were nearer the half way line than the ref yet made little or no effort to get back... If you watch the clip again you will also see one player actually give up running,may have been scniderlien,not sure...Well I cant comment as I wasnt looking.Frankly it wouldnt matter if we had Linford Christie he would not have made up the ground. As for the players giving up so have the majority of fans. 2 players were there and were skinned by superior pace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Well I cant comment as I wasnt looking.Frankly it wouldnt matter if we had Linford Christie he would not have made up the ground. As for the players giving up so have the majority of fans. 2 players were there and were skinned by superior pace So based on that if a player gets beaten by pace he should just say "oh well i can`t catch him so i wont chase back" should he? Effort should have been made irrespective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 So based on that if a player gets beaten by pace he should just say "oh well i can`t catch him so i wont chase back" should he? Effort should have been made irrespective... OK I give in...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 OK I give in...... Strange.... You normally like to have the last word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Well I cant comment as I wasnt looking. You make ELEVEN posts arguing the toss about this incident, and THEN admit you weren't looking. Priceless. :smt082 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 You make ELEVEN posts arguing the toss about this incident, and THEN admit you weren't looking. Priceless. :smt082 Yet another who didnt read the posts. I have seen the goal once and the cameras were concentrating on the attacker, when the ball was in the net i couldnt care who was following up and so you are being a right Plum, Plumstead and even went and counted my posts.What a saddo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Strange.... You normally like to have the last word... the post was just too complex for you to work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 WHO though!! you can f**king f**k off as well, you c*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 the post was just too complex for you to work out Accepting lack of effort....:roll: You really are priceless as said above... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Seijs and James did well for me but there was no team passion and our fitness levels are well below par, maybe its just me but this team is not exciting me at all. Have to say i fully agree. I didn't think the game itself was very good, was boring to watch and very predicitve. We had shots at goal but as always they either went miles over, miles wide or tamely into the keepers hands. We hit the post twice but the Euell rebound shot i think even Redknapps wife could of scored that one! The thing is when they went 1 up (they should of been 3-4 up by half time if it wasen't for Davis, again) you never really saw us getting back into it. And for me that has been our problem all season, we just lack that bit of specialness, that one player who can do a bit of quality and change the game, we have no-one able to do that. The defence i felt also played well but Wotten again had a bit of a wierd one for me, i admire his effort but the technical side just lets us down. The midfield were awful. DMG must been half dutch or something to keep getting games. In this history of this club i think he must be up there with our worst players. The managers comments i find interesting as he is doing what he is paid to do, tell a positive spin and make people keep the faith. But as you mention the passion from the players is not there, there is no team togetherness. Someone made a comment that maybe the team finally have come together but i have to question that on the displays we have seen. The fitness is a bit worrying for me, there are a lot of people playing their first full season in any league so i can sort of let them off a bit but it seems we have gone backwards from when Pearson took over and got the fitness up. Bristol deserved their win, it could of been by a bigger margine. The players we have are simply not good enough and i now feel the coaches are not good enough to. Wotte to me is sounding more and more like a mobile speaker for Lowe to pass on his propoganda. The problem is only a few if nobody is listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 (edited) Yet another who didnt read the posts. I have seen the goal once and the cameras were concentrating on the attacker, when the ball was in the net i couldnt care who was following up and so you are being a right Plum, Plumstead and even went and counted my posts.What a saddo Insult the person instead of address the point made eh? That says plenty about you and nothing about my point. Oh, and apologies for knowing what I'm talking about by checking my facts. I did actually read all your posts on this thread - that's 10 minutes of wasted time I'll never get back Anyway, I watched the Championship on ITV too, and guess what? They showed the incident 3 times from different angles. They do that quite a lot on football programmes, you know Edited 15 February, 2009 by Plumstead_Saint more smileys, less insults ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Total sh*te again, don't know what Wotte was banging on about saying we played really well because we didn't. Davis kept us in it with some great saves and James did quite well but apart from that I wasn't really impressed. Wotton was shocking, 'future Premiership star' Surman was pathetic, and what does NoGoalsh*t have to do to be dropped/subbed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 Davis was MOTM, had it not been for him we would have been out of sight by half time. We could have quite conceivably lost by five or six. Officiating was a disgrace, never a penalty, and the first goal looked miles offside. We can't defend for sh1t, Perry had a decent game but Skacel and James were getting skinned all afternoon. We are giving ourself too much to do by being completely out of out depth at the back. Euell had a decent game, Perry deserves a mention, Davis was class, but that aside the rest were dogsh1t. Surman, Wotton & Schneirderlin were particularly bad. Likewise Lloyd James, how he gets in the team amazes me, for the second goal he had 10 yards on their player and he was STILL skinned... The atmosphere was flat, however when you see the football club you live and breath capitulate in front of your very eyes it's difficult to get behind them. The players have to earn their support - for large parts of yesterday there was no passion, no commitment, no motivation, so why should we get behind them?? I'll give everything I've got to support the lads but half of you thinks "what's the f//king point?" when visibily most of them don't give a f//k.. Complete policing overkill - rescources drafted in from Wales, the Midlands and Yeovil, it seems our intelligence made a complete balls-up (again) and wasted yet more thousands of pounds of tax-payers money. There were literally hundreds of them, all clobbered up in riot gear like they were expecting world war three. I've got a feeling the head of the Saints intelligence unit is in for a b0ll0cking Monday morning as they were had prepared themself for a risk that was far from present. I was one of the few penned in after the game, hadn't done f//k all wrong but were held back against our wishes and then marched all the way back to the train station. Going to football these days gives the authorities the right to treat you like a ***** it seems. On a final point decent coverage on the Championship this morning, but what the f//k was that commentator all about?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 kaiser it is always bad for brizzle games..dont think they did anything special for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 15 February, 2009 Share Posted 15 February, 2009 TDD - I had a word with one of their coppers and was told the vast numbers they deployed was due to their 'intelligence' - it's far from the norm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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