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well its got to the point now that my son rang and asked if I was listening to the game as Kelvin had just saved a penalty, whereas I used to attend home and away, only went to the Swansea game because of the march, I can't even be bothered to tune the radio in.

The Cherries are not only 5 points of safety, difference is they have a team and manager who believes they'll do it

 

The Saints, no sign of being able to muster half the fight of the Cherries

 

Truly is game over

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Funny reading the comments from those not at the game.

 

Same old story, played well second half but no cutting edge.

 

Saga poor, deserved to be taken off, despite those not at the game saying wotte is clueless for taking him off.

 

Most on here, particularly those not at the game ar such ****s, making comments about indiviidual players when your not even at the game.

 

Lets all get on the 'we hate mcgoldrick' band wagon, he was by far the more likely out of him and Saga!

 

Looked solid at the back, first goal looked well offside, we had the best of the second half and were close to getting a goal.

 

second goal a result of Kelvin up for a corner, but **** it lets blame mcgoldrick!

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Funny reading the comments from those not at the game.

 

Same old story, played well second half but no cutting edge.

 

Saga poor, deserved to be taken off, despite those not at the game saying wotte is clueless for taking him off.

 

Most on here, particularly those not at the game ar such ****s, making comments about indiviidual players when your not even at the game.

 

Lets all get on the 'we hate mcgoldrick' band wagon, he was by far the more likely out of him and Saga!

 

Looked solid at the back, first goal looked well offside, we had the best of the second half and were close to getting a goal.

 

second goal a result of Kelvin up for a corner, but **** it lets blame mcgoldrick!

 

Sounds like you went to the game, could you give us some player ratings.

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Funny reading the comments from those not at the game.

 

Same old story, played well second half but no cutting edge.

 

Saga poor, deserved to be taken off, despite those not at the game saying wotte is clueless for taking him off.

 

Most on here, particularly those not at the game ar such ****s, making comments about indiviidual players when your not even at the game.

 

Lets all get on the 'we hate mcgoldrick' band wagon, he was by far the more likely out of him and Saga!

 

Looked solid at the back, first goal looked well offside, we had the best of the second half and were close to getting a goal.

 

second goal a result of Kelvin up for a corner, but **** it lets blame mcgoldrick!

 

 

Fair comment as we were not there I suppse but McG hasnt exactly been on a scoring streak all season so its no wonder why many wonder why he gets on the team sheet.

 

did he ever look like scoring at all today?

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Funny reading the comments from those not at the game.

 

Same old story, played well second half but no cutting edge.

 

Saga poor, deserved to be taken off, despite those not at the game saying wotte is clueless for taking him off.

 

Most on here, particularly those not at the game ar such ****s, making comments about indiviidual players when your not even at the game.

 

Lets all get on the 'we hate mcgoldrick' band wagon, he was by far the more likely out of him and Saga!

 

Looked solid at the back, first goal looked well offside, we had the best of the second half and were close to getting a goal.

 

second goal a result of Kelvin up for a corner, but **** it lets blame mcgoldrick!

 

Interesting - but if that is the case, why (allegedly) were our fans singing at Wotte "you don't know what your doing"...??

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Game over, we're down.

 

I've said I've accepted League One football next season, but it's going to hurt like hell when it's confirmed.

 

Will Saints ever be half decent again?

 

I'm 35 and I'll be surprised if I see them in the Prem again in my lifetime to be honest.

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I listened to some of the game on the radio on my phone while shopping. From what I heard, we were really dire in the first half and according to Merrington the problems that BC caused us were because Wotton played just in front of the back four, thus weakening the midfield and allowing them forward onto us. Wotte changed things about later in the half and we started to look more in it. In the second half we seemingly played better, but this season under either Dutch joker has always been the same; we are capable of only playing 45 minutes of half decent football. As Merrington says when asked what he thought could be done, Dyer should have been brought back to give us extra width and pace. We went too far into the season playing just one at front, especially at home. We shouldn't have let all of the experienced strikers out on loan.

 

Now, I know this is going to seem totally barmy, but a thought struck me. I must confess that Dave Merrington often analyses the shortcomings correctly and has sensible suggestions as to how we could have made the most of the financial difficulties. So it occurred to me that we could do a lot worse than having Merrington back in charge of the team! I never thought that such an idea would ever cross my mind, but the more I think about it, the more I conclude that he would have made a better fist of it than the hapless Dutch duo.

 

I really don't care about the result. I just feel numb nowadays. If it means that the campaign to oust Lowe and the Quisling is given extra impetus, I can actually feel quite positive about it.

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Don't worry, we will come good again.

 

And I'd like to think that coming back from adversity and some real setbacks will make us stronger both as a Club and as a supporting community.

 

Sometimes you have to experience the absolute sht to realise what you have isn't that bad.

 

Very true - I hope. It's the timescale of any recovery that's the question. One thing is certain - we will continue to sink as long as Lowe is making the main decisions. I can honestly see a full-scale boycott of both matches and season ticket renewals taking place this year.

 

And all the while, in the face of the club's destruction, not a word from the man in the bunker...

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Well i've just got back, can't be bothered with player ratings, actually some at least tried, thought 2 c/bs were good again, euell all over place even wootton tried (still crap) DMG was he playing??? but finally and i hate to say this but ANDREW SURMAN you are a DISGRACE and you are not fit to wear the shirt. He pulled out of so many tackles today it was unreal, gave up chasing balls, i hope he was ill or something because that type of performance is not acceptable. 1200 saints fans there even we sounded down, tried to sing but somehow couldn't. Tip for manager when one nil down do not take off centre forward who although not at his best has the skill to nick a goal

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Sounds like you went to the game, could you give us some player ratings.

 

Davies 9 Made some great save and obviously the penalty (which was a bit weak)

 

James 7 good going forward, at times not the best defending, kept annoying me when he was playing the ball in the channel but hitting it straight to the defender when he only had to hoof it over the back.

 

skacel 7 had a decent game, not too much room on that side City looked stronger down that side but did OK

 

Perry & Size 8 both looked good, solid and there seemed to be a good understanding between them, there goal was offside but they both stood and looked at adelbola as he ran through. That was the only downside, if they play like this we will not let in too many goals.

 

Euell 5 not his best performance, looked out of it a bit but he has not played for a while. work hard but looked out of sorts when he got the ball.

 

Spider 7 I thought he looked good on the ball and worked hard, surprised when he came off.

 

Wotton 5 good defensively worked hard but some woeful touches when we had possesion. moves the ball well when not under pressure but when he was not too good.

 

Surman 6 again not the best, lost possesion regularly but had some good moments.

 

Saga 6 tried and tried but was very ineffective, deserved to be taken off

 

Mcgoldrick 7 looked the most likely but still not quite there, had a couple of decent chances but they feel to his left foot and were weak, think everyone should get of his back, some link up play was very good, little bit lazy, thought he could have showed a little more at times.

 

Llalana looked lively when he came on but we were on top, linked well with McGoldrick.

 

Gillett didn't get involved that much sat back and put out a few passes, again, we were well on top when he came on

 

Mclaggon look lively and i think did well, caused a few problems with his pace, I think i quite like him

 

Sorry not the best ratings I know but I am a little drunk.

 

All round I felt we could and should have got something out of the game, yet again we were not quite there up front!

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Funny reading the comments from those not at the game.

 

Same old story, played well second half but no cutting edge.

 

Saga poor, deserved to be taken off, despite those not at the game saying wotte is clueless for taking him off.

 

Most on here, particularly those not at the game ar such ****s, making comments about indiviidual players when your not even at the game.

 

Lets all get on the 'we hate mcgoldrick' band wagon, he was by far the more likely out of him and Saga!

 

Looked solid at the back, first goal looked well offside, we had the best of the second half and were close to getting a goal.

 

second goal a result of Kelvin up for a corner, but **** it lets blame mcgoldrick!

 

I was there and thought McGoldrick was ****. Saga was too, but there is no way i'd have taken off Saga first. No way. And it didnt't work. All that pressure we were building up and the last 10 minutes were, really, a damp squib, in no smalll part due to the poor substitutions.

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Because the current band wagon is to hate Wotte and McGoldrick and to love Saga, It doesn't matter what actually happens.

 

Thanks Wooley - was just interested to hear that you thought the substitution was warranted, yet the management still took some stick from some of the fans.

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Sadly we continue to spiral downwards,with no sign of being able to pull out of it.

 

Um Pahars is right in saying that we might come back stronger and more together in the future,but like most Saints fans I'd rather not go through such pain in the hope we might bounce back some years down the road ? Our club seems rotten from head to toe,we will only move forward if we cut away the disease within (Lowe/Wilde etc etc).

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Interesting - but if that is the case, why (allegedly) were our fans singing at Wotte "you don't know what your doing"...??

 

only small percentage sung that song. Saga was **** IMO. If he doesn't score he what does he do? I'll tell you, he gets the ball to feet and then nine times out of ten he loses it. When he pops a goal in you forgive and forget is failing in his game, but when he doesn't score you tend to look at his all round game and it sucks.

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A game of two halves for me. First half we were second best (Delabola took the ****) and we were rightly behind even if the pen was soft and the goal may have been offside. Second half we bossed it completely and were encamped in their half. Sadly we didn't do quite enough to grab that all important goal but a draw would have been a fair result IMO.

 

Wotte has got his tactics all wrong for me. He picked a very good eleven with Euell and Wotton tigerish in the middle, but with skillful players like Surman and Schneiderlin out wide and McGoldrick down the middle we need the ball on the deck. Instead all we did first half was boot it hopefully down the channels. Time after time we did this and gave posession straight back to City. OK now and then this is a good tactic but not every single time. Once we started passing short we looked good and opened city up. First half was wasted.

 

Davis - 8 Pen was straight at him as was the 1 on 1 with Delabola. I thought he made a poor decision not to come for their goal but defence was to blame not him. Not all that busy.

James -7 decent game although far too easily beaten by Adelbola in first half, lovely first touch and got forward well. Crossing was poor though.

Seijs 8 Tremendous game. 100% comitted, one everything and some decent passing as well.

Perry 5 Too slow to get close to Maynard. Passed it IMO.

Skacel 6 Solid display. I'm always harsh on him so I will leave it at that.

Schneiderlin 6 - some nice work in posession and he looked comitted (got booked for his 6th tackle of the season). Putting him out wide meant we got rid of our soft centre. Didn't create anyting going forward though.

Euell 8 Tiger in midfield and some decent touches on the ball as well. 100% Comitted throughout and gave everything. Unlucky to hit the post.

Wotton 6 Equally comitted diving into some ugly looking 50:50. Some decent distubution, the best I have seen of him, but still gave it away a lot. Not sure he should have been subbed - we lost our way for 5 minutes after.

Surman (first half 1 second 6) Not helped by Wottes tactic of booting it down the channels rather than getting it to his feet, but when he did get it he gave it away. Woke up in the second half and as we got it down and played he got into the game.

McGoldrick 3 - Not helped by the down the channel serice at all - get it to his ****ing feet - but other than one excellent run in the first half where we should have scored he was ineffective.

Saga 3 gave the ball away a lot. Won nothing in the air, jogged across the line a lot.

 

McClaggon 7 much much sharper than last time. Got th eball under control and got us moving forward. Much more of a threat than Saga.

Lallana 7 got us passing and what do you know we become a threat. Failed to hug the byeline but on this occasion he can be forgiven as he had a positive impact. We started to open them up once he came on.

Gillett - looked sharp passed it well enough.

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McClaggon 7 much much sharper than last time. Got th eball under control and got us moving forward. Much more of a threat than Saga.

 

I agree, but for the life of me don't know why he was so central. At the stage of the game to put someone so small in the centre forward position, where he was promdomintly, was barmy.

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My ratings, for what it's worth.

 

Davis 8, James 6, Perry 8, Sajies 8, Skacel 6, Morgan 6, Wotton 6, Euell 5, Surman 4, McGoldrick 5, Saga 4

 

You will see that my marks mirror yours except for Perry and Euell. When Maynard was beating the offiside and running us ragged who was marking him? As for Euell could he have done much more. I'm not a fan of him in the middle but he gave everything today - I thought that was all fans demanded of their players? Davis saves a pen (that hits him) and gets an 8, Euell sweats blood and gets a 5???? I'm not trying to discredit Davis I just think an all round display deserves a higher mark than someone that does one great thing all game.

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I agree, but for the life of me don't know why he was so central. At the stage of the game to put someone so small in the centre forward position, where he was promdomintly, was barmy.

 

If you play him out wide he has to track back etc, up front he gets to run the channels and he did it well IMO.

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A game of two halves for me. First half we were second best (Delabola took the ****) and we were rightly behind even if the pen was soft and the goal may have been offside. Second half we bossed it completely and were encamped in their half. Sadly we didn't do quite enough to grab that all important goal but a draw would have been a fair result IMO.

 

Wotte has got his tactics all wrong for me. He picked a very good eleven with Euell and Wotton tigerish in the middle, but with skillful players like Surman and Schneiderlin out wide and McGoldrick down the middle we need the ball on the deck. Instead all we did first half was boot it hopefully down the channels. Time after time we did this and gave posession straight back to City. OK now and then this is a good tactic but not every single time. Once we started passing short we looked good and opened city up. First half was wasted.

 

Davis - 8 Pen was straight at him as was the 1 on 1 with Delabola. I thought he made a poor decision not to come for their goal but defence was to blame not him. Not all that busy.

James -7 decent game although far too easily beaten by Adelbola in first half, lovely first touch and got forward well. Crossing was poor though.

Seijs 8 Tremendous game. 100% comitted, one everything and some decent passing as well.

Perry 5 Too slow to get close to Maynard. Passed it IMO.

Skacel 6 Solid display. I'm always harsh on him so I will leave it at that.

Schneiderlin 6 - some nice work in posession and he looked comitted (got booked for his 6th tackle of the season). Putting him out wide meant we got rid of our soft centre. Didn't create anyting going forward though.

Euell 8 Tiger in midfield and some decent touches on the ball as well. 100% Comitted throughout and gave everything. Unlucky to hit the post.

Wotton 6 Equally comitted diving into some ugly looking 50:50. Some decent distubution, the best I have seen of him, but still gave it away a lot. Not sure he should have been subbed - we lost our way for 5 minutes after.

Surman (first half 1 second 6) Not helped by Wottes tactic of booting it down the channels rather than getting it to his feet, but when he did get it he gave it away. Woke up in the second half and as we got it down and played he got into the game.

McGoldrick 3 - Not helped by the down the channel serice at all - get it to his ****ing feet - but other than one excellent run in the first half where we should have scored he was ineffective.

Saga 3 gave the ball away a lot. Won nothing in the air, jogged across the line a lot.

 

McClaggon 7 much much sharper than last time. Got th eball under control and got us moving forward. Much more of a threat than Saga.

Lallana 7 got us passing and what do you know we become a threat. Failed to hug the byeline but on this occasion he can be forgiven as he had a positive impact. We started to open them up once he came on.

Gillett - looked sharp passed it well enough.

 

Thanks for that - especially after a long day.

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You will see that my marks mirror yours except for Perry and Euell. When Maynard was beating the offiside and running us ragged who was marking him? As for Euell could he have done much more. I'm not a fan of him in the middle but he gave everything today - I thought that was all fans demanded of their players? Davis saves a pen (that hits him) and gets an 8, Euell sweats blood and gets a 5???? I'm not trying to discredit Davis I just think an all round display deserves a higher mark than someone that does one great thing all game.

 

For me, i just felt the defence seemed strong today. Sure, we were exposed a bit in the first half hour but compared to some of the performances, even Derby and Reading, i thought we coped well with the City threat. And Davis was a big part of that.

 

I'm actually a bit of a Euell fan (thou not for his Saints performances!!) but just didn't think he imposed himself as well as he could. To be fair, i might have been harsh on him but for me the link up between mid-field and attack wasn't as good as it should have been. For all our possession we didn't really make the keeper work very hard, and even though Saga and McG didn't try too hard, they weren't presented too many gift wrapped chances.

 

Just how i saw it, do you think that's fair? Maybe i was a touch harsh on Euell.

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Full - and very damning - match report here:

 

http://www.southampton-mad.co.uk/news/loadnews.asp?cid=TMNW&id=432599

 

Rudi Skacel MOTM did he go to the same game as I did today.

 

I was totally disappointed with our commitment today and they were a lot fitter and quicker than us. I cant see where the next point is coming from let alone the next win.

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Rudi Skacel MOTM did he go to the same game as I did today.

 

I was totally disappointed with our commitment today and they were a lot fitter and quicker than us. I cant see where the next point is coming from let alone the next win.

 

really, I thought some players (Seijs, Euell, Wotton) gave it all. Others perhaps didn't, but I came away from the game feeling we were unlucky not to grab a point. I certainly haven't felt that way for a while.

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For me, i just felt the defence seemed strong today. Sure, we were exposed a bit in the first half hour but compared to some of the performances, even Derby and Reading, i thought we coped well with the City threat. And Davis was a big part of that.

 

I'm actually a bit of a Euell fan (thou not for his Saints performances!!) but just didn't think he imposed himself as well as he could. To be fair, i might have been harsh on him but for me the link up between mid-field and attack wasn't as good as it should have been. For all our possession we didn't really make the keeper work very hard, and even though Saga and McG didn't try too hard, they weren't presented too many gift wrapped chances.

 

Just how i saw it, do you think that's fair? Maybe i was a touch harsh on Euell.

 

say it how you see it mate, we all see different things in games. Of the two keepers I bet Basso made more saves. Second half saw chanes for Lallana (good low save), Surman (straight down the keepers throat), Euell (how did he miss). We hit the post and had one off the line in the first half. The keeper had to come a punch a couple of times as well. I can't recall Dais making a save other than the pen and the brave save to feet of Maynard.

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really, I thought some players (Seijs, Euell, Wotton) gave it all. Others perhaps didn't, but I came away from the game feeling we were unlucky not to grab a point. I certainly haven't felt that way for a while.

 

Seijs and James did well for me but there was no team passion and our fitness levels are well below par, maybe its just me but this team is not exciting me at all.

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What the **** was the policing in the ground all about? They appeared to be penning in a group of lads to prevent them leaving the ground at the end of the game (kind of section 27). I know there was trouble at our place but this seemed well over the top.

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Seijs and James did well for me but there was no team passion and our fitness levels are well below par, maybe its just me but this team is not exciting me at all.

seriously second best first half but for me compared to recent displays this one appeared full of passion and effort. If we got Patterson in up front and passed it rathyer than hoofed it we might have a chance. We so badly need another centre back to replace Perry though.

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The policing was well over the top and incited the trouble by their presence they were all drafted in from the Midlands apparently.

 

whats the score on being filmed. I hate that. It feels like they are treating me like a criminal and appears to be a breach of my civil liberties. I have nothing against the old bill but not all fans are hooligans.

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Absolutely ****e day. Atmosphere was one of the worst on the road in years. People would start songs and sheer apathy would take over and we were almost silent for the whole second half. We controlled the second half but in all honesty I think they should have been well ahead in the 2nd half and I think on the balance of things we maybe did just deserve a draw.

 

We didn't get to the bi-line. Again. Lloyd James kept playing this clipped ball in behind the left back for the striker to run on to. Rarely did it work. I got a strange sense of deja-vu, I seem to remember that same ball being played maybe 10 odd times!

 

We looked reasonably strong at the back, Kelvin was good as always..We seemed awful upfront. Mcgoldrick and Saganowski didn't seem to care. I was impressed with Euell. He seemed to add some bite. Surman was ****ing awful.

 

All in all a sickening day, and I feel League One is a certainty now.

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Just got back (to the Isle of Wight), phucking traffic in Brizzle - nightmare - best part of an hour just to get to the M4!.

 

Agree with Griffo, we tried but the final product is not there. Is it confidence? is the manager telling them to play a certain way? (if he is, it is no different to the last cloggie) - whatever it is, it was another ineffective display.

 

Very disappointed with Andrew Surman, he was poor today - his corners were cut out far too easily - I would leave him out now. Thought Lloyd James had a good game although he does need to get his crosses in from the bye-line if he is to be more effective. Defence did OK, Saeijs again made some very timely challenges. Thought the penalty was harsh and the booking for Rudi (played well) even more so - maybe the telly will show what really happened. Good save from Kelvin anyway. Another plus was Adam Lallana - he did OK today and a big improvement on some of his recent displays.

 

But as everyone else has said I honestly can't see where the next points are going to come from. If no-one can convert the chances (and there were a few today) then it is stating the bleedin' obvious that we ain't gonna win.

 

And finally - how many police do you need at a game - looked like the whole of the Avonmouth Constabulary was there! Horses, dogs and hundreds of piggies!!

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Just got back 6 hrs train round trip.

Player ratings can't be arsed apart from Davis 8.

Sants didn't put effort in until near end which was not good enough. Bristol City like most of this league are not much better than us but are better organised, motivated and more physical than saints.

Support from fans was crap dispite numbers with no singing apart from usual hardcore at the back. Can't believe fans clapped players at end after not singing or clapping throughout game. Why go to the game and stand in silence??????????

95% of posters on here picked the useless Wotton who was again found wanting.

Surman can't take a corner which is criminal for a professional footballer, bring back Wright who could at least put the ball into the box.

Policing was well over the top as well with fans escorted back to station after game.

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Oh dear yet another bad day at the office, not seen a match report yet, but at the end of the day its not about how we play anymore we NEED RESULTS NOW & were just not getting them. No surprise today I actually got a prediction right but take no pleasure in that, I'd rather have been wrong & Saints pick up 3 points.

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Rudi Skacel MOTM did he go to the same game as I did today.

 

I was totally disappointed with our commitment today and they were a lot fitter and quicker than us. I cant see where the next point is coming from let alone the next win.

 

I nearly docked him for giving away the penalty.

 

I was disappointed at the level of commitment. But I still stay the best player on the pitch was Rudi. Not the most committed. But still the best.

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