Survival Plan - A real vision to save Saints..?

[1976_Child]

Where did he say "first"? (?!?!?!?!?!! for added superteeduper effect)

 

oops.. sorry, I misread....

[Scudamore]

I think SaintRobbie should be our new chairman. He's a real visionary.

 

The big question is...do you have a suit SaintRobbie?

[eelpie]

I think SaintRobbie should be our new chairman. He's a real visionary.

 

The big question is...do you have a suit SaintRobbie?

 

lol

 

All in due course (both)

[SaintRobbie]

I thought you were another Stanley/ Alpine Saint misery merchant but you are actually a Crouch luvvie, aren't you?

He ain't the answer and he is currently part of the problem

 

No I'm not a Crouch luvvie. But I regard him and possibly Mary Corbett as a replacement to Wilde as better SHORT TERM options for the relegation run in than Lowe/Wilde. They'll bring some fans back and a manager we can get behind, instead of one that tells us off for not going to watch his disorganised side lose as we're protesting against the bloke who tells him to say it. We need to fight. Rolling over and accepting our fate is not an option - unless you're Lowe and have a plan to purchase the Club upon administration (?)

 

I applaud the idea of appointing a CEO. I also agree that we need a full clear out in the boardroom. I have never thought that running this Club as a plc works as it engenders boardroom division. So I recommend delisting at the earliest opportunity. I have advocated an aggressive sales campaign to sell this club to one owner for 2 years now. Our boardmembers have never even openly stated that the Club is FOR SALE. Times are tough, but looking and constructively going out into the big bad world and finding a buyer is again better than accepting the inevitiable further decline of the club. As the SISU offer demonstrates it can be done.

 

So thats my position. Crouch is a better SHORT TERM solution IF we want to fight.

Edited 13 February, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[JohnnyFartPants]

No I'm not a Crouch luvvie. But I regard him and possibly Mary Corbett as a replacement to Wilde as better SHORT TERM options for the relegation run in than Lowe/Wilde. They'll bring some fans back and a manager we can get behind, instead of one that tells us off for not going to watch his disorganised side lose as we're protesting against the bloke who tells him to say it. We need to fight. Rolling over and accepting our fate is not an option - unless you're Lowe and have a plan to purchase the Club upon administration (?)

 

I applaud the idea of appointing a CEO. I also agree that we need a full clear out in the boardroom. I have never thought that running this Club as a plc works as it engenders boardroom division. So I recommend delisting at the earliest opportunity. I have advocated an aggressive sales campaign to sell this club to one owner for 2 years now. Our boardmembers have never even openly stated that the Club is FOR SALE. Times are tough, but looking and constructively going out into the big bad world and finding a buyer is again better than accepting the inevitiable further decline of the club.

 

So thats my position. Crouch is a better SHORT TERM solution IF we want to fight.

 

The term isn't "Crouch Luvvie", it doesn't even sound good.

[SaintRobbie]

visionary.

 

The big question is...do you have a suit SaintRobbie?

 

Only hand tailored ones. Anyway must go have to pick up my daughter from boarding school...

[JohnnyFartPants]

Only hand tailored ones. Anyway must go have to pick up my daughter from boarding school...

 

As opposed to those robots that make most of them?

[SFC Forever]

Crouch Potato?

[Gordon Mockles]

Poor SaintRobbie. He must have worked so hard on his plan, and it's been torn to shreads after 18 replies. Marvellous.

 

Poor Bungle, over 2800 posts and still not managed one of any substance, just futile, snidey digs! I bet you're well received down your local! :smt022

[sidthesquid]

Crouch Potato?

 

Good one. Among other possibles - Crouch cronie, Crouch creeper, or maybe Crouch End

[sidthesquid]

No I'm not a Crouch luvvie. But I regard him and possibly Mary Corbett as a replacement to Wilde as better SHORT TERM options for the relegation run in than Lowe/Wilde. They'll bring some fans back and a manager we can get behind, instead of one that tells us off for not going to watch his disorganised side lose as we're protesting against the bloke who tells him to say it. We need to fight. Rolling over and accepting our fate is not an option - unless you're Lowe and have a plan to purchase the Club upon administration (?)

 

I applaud the idea of appointing a CEO. I also agree that we need a full clear out in the boardroom. I have never thought that running this Club as a plc works as it engenders boardroom division. So I recommend delisting at the earliest opportunity. I have advocated an aggressive sales campaign to sell this club to one owner for 2 years now. Our boardmembers have never even openly stated that the Club is FOR SALE. Times are tough, but looking and constructively going out into the big bad world and finding a buyer is again better than accepting the inevitiable further decline of the club. As the SISU offer demonstrates it can be done.

 

So thats my position. Crouch is a better SHORT TERM solution IF we want to fight.

 

If you see the other thread regarding Crouch laying off 50 staff you'll see that he is not likely to help much to us. Personally, I have big problem with him for two reasons: firstly the bonkers purchase & salary structure that has left us lumbered with unsaleable mediocraties like Euell, Skacel & BWP were done under his chairmanship (& if not there is another list including Thomas, Safri etc that I'm sure were). And secondly he is no better than Lowe and Wilde - he snipes at and goads the other two without offering a solution and his display at the AGM was pathetic. He had a go at running the club and virtually brought it to his knees, why would he do better this time round? And I'm not at all sure he even wants to & all his talk only ever sounds like sour grapes to me, not positive answers

[um pahars]

firstly the bonkers purchase & salary structure that has left us lumbered with unsaleable mediocraties like Euell, Skacel & BWP were done under his chairmanship

 

I think it's fair to say that you're not au fait with our recent history then!!!!

 

And secondly he is no better than Lowe and Wilde

 

Whuch is hardly a ringing endorsement of Lowe and Wilde.

 

Crouch in a day to day capacity is no solution, but at the same time the idea that Lowe and Wilde are our best hope of salavtion is an even more mind boggling solution.

 

As long as we sit here saying, "there is no alternative to Lowe", then we will never move forward.

[Big Bad Bob]

No I'm not a Crouch luvvie. But I regard him and possibly Mary Corbett as a replacement to Wilde as better SHORT TERM options for the relegation run in than Lowe/Wilde. They'll bring some fans back and a manager we can get behind, instead of one that tells us off for not going to watch his disorganised side lose as we're protesting against the bloke who tells him to say it. We need to fight. Rolling over and accepting our fate is not an option - unless you're Lowe and have a plan to purchase the Club upon administration (?)

 

I applaud the idea of appointing a CEO. I also agree that we need a full clear out in the boardroom. I have never thought that running this Club as a plc works as it engenders boardroom division. So I recommend delisting at the earliest opportunity. I have advocated an aggressive sales campaign to sell this club to one owner for 2 years now. Our boardmembers have never even openly stated that the Club is FOR SALE. Times are tough, but looking and constructively going out into the big bad world and finding a buyer is again better than accepting the inevitiable further decline of the club. As the SISU offer demonstrates it can be done.

 

So thats my position. Crouch is a better SHORT TERM solution IF we want to fight.

 

For the bit in bold can I suggest your re-read what he said, IMHO he wasn't "telling us off"

 

And where has this notion that a British manager will gel the fan base come from? Ask anyone on here there opinion of a British manager, i.e. Dowie, and see what happens..

 

Crouch isn't the answer short or long term, MC certainly isn't anywhere near a hypothesis (IMHO).

 

To succeed we need money and lots of it!!

[INFLUENCED.COM]

 

As long as we sit here saying, "there is no alternative to Lowe", then we will never move forward.

 

Where are these other possibilities ???

[Big Bad Bob]

Where are these other possibilities ???

 

Well, if you read a load of the tosh on here they are just sitting there waiting for Lowe to resign, step down, whatever. Just like they did last time....

 

Or you could follow Saint Robbie's ideas and sell the club for them,, of course they'll agree to what we propose straight away "for the greater good"!

[um pahars]

Well, if you read a load of the tosh on here they are just sitting there waiting for Lowe to resign, step down, whatever.

 

And your alternative is what??

 

Sitting here, fingers crossed that the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" comes off?

[sidthesquid]

Um Pahrs :I think it's fair to say that you're not au fait with our recent history then!!!!

 

Explain, please

 

Um Pahars: Whuch is hardly a ringing endorsement of Lowe and Wilde.

Of course it isn't

 

 

Um Pahars: Crouch in a day to day capacity is no solution, but at the same time the idea that Lowe and Wilde are our best hope of salavtion is an even more mind boggling solution.

As long as we sit here saying, "there is no alternative to Lowe", then we will never move forward.

 

I am not convinced Crouch wants the role of chairman again, anyway

But my plan for survival is simple - every one turn up and get behind the manager and the players (sod the board) & see if we can avoid relegation. The time for blood-letting is after the season ends, regardless of where we are, not now. Lobbying to replace one potless numpty with another at this stage is pointless. We are stuck with players we have, the finances we have & the board we have until the season finishes. The only thing we could change is the manager, but ffs, even by our standards, turning on the guy after 3 games is pretty crap. So the alternative is to back them all for now

[Big Bad Bob]

And your alternative is what??

 

Sitting here, fingers crossed that the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" comes off?

 

Well actually yes because Crouch ISN'T a viable alternative!

 

You're same line all the time is a bit of a non-answer itself Um.

 

We, as fans, can't force RL to do anything. Only the shareholders can (and maybe the protests are starting to work maybe not).

 

But saying that there are alternatives ISN'T getting an alternative in.

 

You may not like it, I may not like it but we're stuck with RL for the foreseeable future OR until Crouch comes up with £6M (which is about as likely as me bedding a 16 year old!!) OR a sugar Daddy rocks up and ploughs £Ms into the club.

[um pahars]

Explain, please.

 

Go and have a look at who was Chairman, or more importantly where the balance of power lied when the players you mentioned were signed. That should answer your question.

 

Of course it isn't

 

At least we agree that Lowe and Wilde are a part of the problem.

 

I am not convinced Crouch wants the role of chairman again, anyway

But my plan for survival is simple - every one turn up and get behind the manager and the players (sod the board) & see if we can avoid relegation. The time for blood-letting is after the season ends, regardless of where we are, not now. Lobbying to replace one potless numpty with another at this stage is pointless. We are stuck with players we have, the finances we have & the board we have until the season finishes. The only thing we could change is the manager, but ffs, even by our standards, turning on the guy after 3 games is pretty crap. So the alternative is to back them all for now

 

I think you're right, in that I also think Crouch doesn't covet any position of day to day power. He certainly thinks the current Chairman/CEO and managerial set up needs changing, which is something I agree with, but after that I actually think he would rather not be involved.

 

As for just saying the dice have been rolled and we have to accept our fate, well whilst there might be some truth there, I also think we still have a degree of latitude.

 

After all, Pearson came in with about the same amount of time left and used the loan system, with assistance from Hoos, quite judiciously. In fact, I would conjecture that without Wright, Lucketti, Perry etc we migth have gone down last season.

 

IMHO, there is still time to make some final changes to the set up to give is our best possible chance of staying up, because I have a real worry that going with what we have may not be enough.

 

As for saying Wotte only has been here 3 games, well I do think that's stretching it somewhat, as he has been complicit in all of the pre-season and the disastrous run of 28 games as a part of the Revolutionary Coaching Set Up. I'd argue it's not even the same as promoting from within, because Wotte was almost "joint manager" with poortvliet!

[um pahars]

We, as fans, can't force RL to do anything. Only the shareholders can (and maybe the protests are starting to work maybe not).

 

There is no doubt that the power to decide our destiny rests with perhaps only 3 or 4 people, but I wouldn't discount the impact protests, boycotts or whatever might have on them.

 

But saying that there are alternatives ISN'T getting an alternative in.

 

I absolutely agree, but my point is countering those who stupidly claim there are no viable or available alternatives out there.

 

That excuse/reason for sticking with Lowe has no substance whatsover.

 

There are viable alternatives out there, if we have the desire to look fo them, but I fully accept that's not the same as getting one in and it will never do so until there is a change of heart by some of Lowe's cabal.

 

That's my argument here, not that it is possible for us as supporters to get someone in, just that getting someone in is a viable alternative if only those with the power would consider it.

 

You may not like it, I may not like it but we're stuck with RL for the foreseeable future OR until Crouch comes up with £6M (which is about as likely as me bedding a 16 year old!!) OR a sugar Daddy rocks up and ploughs £Ms into the club.

 

OR until some in his cabal have a change of heart, which is more likely (even if it is remote) than the two scenarios you have mentioned above.

[Saint Fan CaM]

No I'm not a Crouch luvvie. But I regard him and possibly Mary Corbett as a replacement to Wilde as better SHORT TERM options for the relegation run in than Lowe/Wilde. They'll bring some fans back and a manager we can get behind, instead of one that tells us off for not going to watch his disorganised side lose as we're protesting against the bloke who tells him to say it. We need to fight. Rolling over and accepting our fate is not an option - unless you're Lowe and have a plan to purchase the Club upon administration (?)

 

I applaud the idea of appointing a CEO. I also agree that we need a full clear out in the boardroom. I have never thought that running this Club as a plc works as it engenders boardroom division. So I recommend delisting at the earliest opportunity. I have advocated an aggressive sales campaign to sell this club to one owner for 2 years now. Our boardmembers have never even openly stated that the Club is FOR SALE. Times are tough, but looking and constructively going out into the big bad world and finding a buyer is again better than accepting the inevitiable further decline of the club. As the SISU offer demonstrates it can be done.

 

So thats my position. Crouch is a better SHORT TERM solution IF we want to fight.

 

 

Your heart is in the right place SaintRobbie, but your 'solution' is too over-simplistic.

 

There is a very good reason why the club has not been sold - its because of its PLC status (i.e. too many shareholders and split opinion). The PLC status will not change because of diverse and varied opinion, policy and strategy of the shareholders.

 

At this stage of the game, there is sadly only one way out - close down the PLC by putting the club into administration. It will be the best thing to happen, although seemingly extreme, as it is the ONLY way we will be rid of Lowe and all his cronies and the Dutch experiment.

[SaintRobbie]

If you see the other thread regarding Crouch laying off 50 staff you'll see that he is not likely to help much to us. Personally, I have big problem with him for two reasons: firstly the bonkers purchase & salary structure that has left us lumbered with unsaleable mediocraties like Euell, Skacel & BWP were done under his chairmanship (& if not there is another list including Thomas, Safri etc that I'm sure were). And secondly he is no better than Lowe and Wilde - he snipes at and goads the other two without offering a solution and his display at the AGM was pathetic. He had a go at running the club and virtually brought it to his knees, why would he do better this time round? And I'm not at all sure he even wants to & all his talk only ever sounds like sour grapes to me, not positive answers

 

I think all that is entirely fair criticism. Its a case of, of the devils we know, which one would be better?

 

As I say - happy to take Crouch in the short term - but the main effort of this club now has to be to finding a new owner.

[SaintRobbie]

Your heart is in the right place SaintRobbie, but your 'solution' is too over-simplistic.

 

There is a very good reason why the club has not been sold - its because of its PLC status (i.e. too many shareholders and split opinion). The PLC status will not change because of diverse and varied opinion, policy and strategy of the shareholders.

 

At this stage of the game, there is sadly only one way out - close down the PLC by putting the club into administration. It will be the best thing to happen, although seemingly extreme, as it is the ONLY way we will be rid of Lowe and all his cronies and the Dutch experiment.

 

It was supposed to be simplistic as it was a road map

 

But I realise its not without its inponderables and speed-bumps. If there is a will to follow this strategy it can be made to work. I think the vast majority of fans would want to see it executed but as you rghtly point out - the crux of the problem IS with the fact this club is run as a plc. That has always been the problem and those of us who have been warning for about 4-5 years on this site and its predecessor that the plc would lead us into the CCC and lower are being (SADLY) vindicated.

 

I disagree about administration as I fear Lowe has a plan to buy up the Club at a bargain price. Even if the plc was destroyed and we had Lowe as the one owner it would fail - he has never given £ only ever taken. He is inept. He inspires as much confidence in the club and its supporters as having Gary Glitter on a babysitting register.

 

I worry about administration, but would welcome it as a last resort - IF your scenario played out.

[sidthesquid]

I still say Wotte needs a fair chance. 1) In his defence we have come back from goal(s) down in all games and only a miscalculation by Davis cost us the point against Sheff U. 2) He has been more pragmatic about playing 4-4-2. 3) He has been more pragmatic about using more senior players 4) There does seem a little more resilience & determination in our play 5) Listening to him after Swansea & Sheff U, he did talk realistically about the games 6) It's not his fault Rupert gave him the job - judge him on his own merits & 7) You can't polish a t*rd & that is what he inherited, which was neither his nor Poortvliet's fault (Or even entirely the board's) but brought on by our severe lack of cash

So give the guy a fair crack of the whip, please

[aintforever]

All this protesting is just all too little too late as far as Championship survival is concerned, it all over bar the maths IMO.

 

Our only (very slim) hope is if this Wotte bloke defies all logic and actually inspires the team to safety, all we can do is pack SMS and give the lads as much backing as possible.

 

We need a plan for what to do when the inevitable is confirmed and what to do at the start of the league 1 campaign.

[Amesbury Saint]

why no posts from FF, Weston Saint or Morph?

 

Is there no hope for us?

[Fire Fighter]

What a crass plan-

 

Put the lunatics back in charge of the asylum and let them finish the job they were doing last season

 

bankrupting the club and finishing it off:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Legod Third Coming]

I have a survival plan.

 

1. Score more firking goals.

 

2. Concede fewer firking goals.

 

Normally I charge £800-£1,200 a day for this kind of consultancy but for you, gratis.

[SaintRobbie]

I have a survival plan.

 

1. Score more firking goals.

 

2. Concede fewer firking goals.

 

Normally I charge £800-£1,200 a day for this kind of consultancy but for you, gratis.

 

And CaM calls me simplistic?

[SaintRobbie]

As opposed to those robots that make most of them?

 

What boarding schools? Those Japanese people are bloody clever you know!

[dubai_phil]

I have a survival plan.

 

1. Score more firking goals.

 

2. Concede fewer firking goals.

 

Normally I charge £800-£1,200 a day for this kind of consultancy but for you, gratis.

 

Keeping to the theme of what can actually realistically be done at this moment...

 

Hire an on loan Right Back WITH EXPERIENCE

Hire an on loan striker WITH EXPERIENCE

 

Play a basic 4-4-2 with tactical flexibility and most importantly

 

FIGHT FOR EVERY DAMNED 50:50 BALL ON THE PITCH EVERY SECOND OF EVERY GAME AND STAY IN THIS DIVISION.

 

It is on the pitch in the next few weeks that determine our future, the only peopole OTHER than the players that will get us relegated will be the bank.

 

After we are safe we can worry about the other 50,000+ things wrong with the club right now

[Weston Saint]

why no posts from FF, Weston Saint or Morph?

 

Is there no hope for us?

The reason I have not posted anything is threefold

 

I have nothing useful to say!

 

I was accused last Saturday of dropping hints and wink winks (I did not think I was) so I am keeping my own counsel.

 

I find the naivity of many of the posters irritating.

Edited 14 February, 2009 by Weston Saint
correcting a keying error

[trousers]

I don't leave my house for fear of meeting naive people.

[um pahars]

I don't leave my house for fear of meeting naive people.

 

Did you miss out a "T"

[Fitzhugh Fella]

A very interesting read, thanks for the link.

 

One of my concerns is that there is no way Lowe could engender such a spirit amongst the supporters, the city and the wider catchment area, due to his past and present failings.

 

Whilst that may not be a massive hindrance when the money is flowing in from other sources, it certainly starts to bite when you find yourselves in the predicament we are in.

 

Yes it was a good read and your observation on Lowe spot on