Mole Posted 11 February, 2009 Posted 11 February, 2009 All the signs are that Lowe and Wilde will take no notice whatsoever of any protests. I'm not saying these protests should stop because they serve the purpose of keeping us united in wanting Lowe/Wilde out, but they are inefective on their own. The idea of a Walkaway protest is good in principle, but in practice it won't attract a large enough participation for it to be really effective. What is needed is for those who want Lowe Out to rip up their season ticket/membership renewal forms when they come through the post and hold onto the money until Lowe and Wilde are gone. March Madness is only a month away so the opportunity is there to let Lowe know how you feel in the only language he understands.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 11 February, 2009 Posted 11 February, 2009 Funny, thought we'd done this one before... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9584
Mole Posted 11 February, 2009 Author Posted 11 February, 2009 Funny, thought we'd done this one before... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=9584 The pressure needs keeping up. What is really needed is a facebook page where people can sign up to boycott.
Ponty Posted 11 February, 2009 Posted 11 February, 2009 The pressure needs keeping up. What is really needed is a facebook page where people can sign up to boycott. There was no Facebook when Branfoot was at the club.
Mole Posted 12 February, 2009 Author Posted 12 February, 2009 There was no Facebook when Branfoot was at the club. And no Lowe plants either.
Micky Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 There was no Facebook when Branfoot was at the club. Ponty, there was no internet when Branfoot was at the club...!
Ponty Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 My point was, we don't need facebook to make it work, we need a solidarity within the fanbase (for Lowe's removal) that I'm not sure exists.
Micky Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 My point was, we don't need facebook to make it work, we need a solidarity within the fanbase (for Lowe's removal) that I'm not sure exists. Ahhhh right solidarity within the fanbase - should be easy enough - I'm just off to find Lech Wałęsa...!!!
Ponty Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 And there, my friend, lies the crux. Although there are certainly many fans who are quite vocal in their hatred for Lowe, and in their desire for his removal, I don't think it's anything like the majority they would have us believe and there's definitely no "leader" worthy enough to consolidate the remaining fans behind their cause.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 And there, my friend, lies the crux. Although there are certainly many fans who are quite vocal in their hatred for Lowe, and in their desire for his removal, I don't think it's anything like the majority they would have us believe and there's definitely no "leader" worthy enough to consolidate the remaining fans behind their cause. Ponty, I am not sure 'hatred for Lowe' properly reflects most fans feelings TBF. Its much more the case I believe that fans are simply sick and tired of poor mismanagement - of lost hope - of feeling like there's nothing left worth supporting. Lowe is just seen as the instigator of these feelings and that his final removal will be a start to re-uniting and re-building the club. IMHO.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 The pressure needs keeping up. What is really needed is a facebook page where people can sign up to boycott. Agree, but you could have bumped the previous thread which had a lot of valid points made in it surely? Anyway, we need a poll MODS. As a ST holder are you prepared to boycott March Madness as a demonstration against Lowe? Yes - No - Maybe
Micky Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 And there, my friend, lies the crux. Although there are certainly many fans who are quite vocal in their hatred for Lowe, and in their desire for his removal, I don't think it's anything like the majority they would have us believe and there's definitely no "leader" worthy enough to consolidate the remaining fans behind their cause. Steady now, you are in danger of transforming this into a 'Lowe In' thread, which would see you labelled all manner of things. And, besides - it would go against the majority of opinion published herein - which wouldn't do at all.
Ponty Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Don't we already have such a poll about renewals?
St Landrew Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 And there, my friend, lies the crux. Although there are certainly many fans who are quite vocal in their hatred for Lowe, and in their desire for his removal, I don't think it's anything like the majority they would have us believe and there's definitely no "leader" worthy enough to consolidate the remaining fans behind their cause. I can't entirely agree with you mate. I'm pretty sure there is a majority of fans who would rather have Lowe and Co out, but yes, they see no organised, viable alternative. There are also, amongst them, fans who may well have no affinity with any websites, or organised clubs, within the SFC circle. They just go to the match and then go home. You'd be surprised how many supporters are not one a select few thousand who live and breathe Saints, and don't even mix with, or even know, those that are, and yet are no less committed fans. I'm sure there are fans throughout the area, from all walks, and I'd bet if their voices could be heard, they'd prefer Lowe and Co to be elsewhere. It's only my opinion though. Perhaps we should do a survey..?
Ponty Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Steady now, you are in danger of transforming this into a 'Lowe In' thread, which would see you labelled all manner of things. And, besides - it would go against the majority of opinion published herein - which wouldn't do at all. Oh I've been careful. If you read my second and third posts on this thread, you'll see they each come from opposite ends of the argument.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Don't we already have such a poll about renewals? No - not about ST holders withholding March Madness.
Ponty Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 I can't entirely agree with you mate. I'm pretty sure there is a majority of fans who would rather have Lowe and Co out, but yes, they see no organised, viable alternative. There are also, amongst them, fans who may well have no affinity with any websites, or organised clubs, within the SFC circle. They just go to the match and then go home. You'd be surprised how many supporters are not one a select few thousand who live and breathe Saints, and don't even mix with, or even know, those that are, and yet are no less committed fans. I'm sure there are fans throughout the area, from all walks, and I'd bet if their voices could be heard, they'd prefer Lowe and Co to be elsewhere. It's only my opinion though. Perhaps we should do a survey..? Hmmm, well I believe the majority would be as happy with success under Lowe as under anyone else. For them, it's not about the chairman, it's about the club.
Micky Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Oh I've been careful. If you read my second and third posts on this thread, you'll see they each come from opposite ends of the argument. Nothing wrong with expressing a broader opinion - perhaps shows that you can see the bigger picture and your views are not channelled into a single, non negotiable set of ideals. A skill used by some here, otherwise known as debating.
scott_saints Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Nothings official until it's on facebook Ponteh. Get with the times.
Right sider Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 If you are considering not renewing your season ticket or membership for next season TELL THEM! Post back your renewal form and email them telling them why your not going next year. Even if you are boycotting or are considering it TELL THEM! If you gave up your ST or membership last year tell them why. Also don't forget to copy your email to Barclays bank. Saints main email address is sfc@saintsfc.co.uk If hundreds or thousands email they cannot ignore the threat that our custom will cease. This is no way is intended to replace the marches and other protests, just to add to it. If you march please send an email too!
sunrise Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 I don't think there'll be any need to boycott simply because the majority of our home games haven't exactly inspired confidence. The results we've had have been poor and that will probably be a more decisive factor.
Mole Posted 12 February, 2009 Author Posted 12 February, 2009 We need to get orgainised on this one. We need a standard letter that everyone can print out/copy and paste and then send it to the Club and the Echo.
SaintRobbie Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 And there, my friend, lies the crux. Although there are certainly many fans who are quite vocal in their hatred for Lowe, and in their desire for his removal, I don't think it's anything like the majority they would have us believe and there's definitely no "leader" worthy enough to consolidate the remaining fans behind their cause. See I disagree. I think there are leaders out there...known to all of us, but the trouble is they sold their souls to Wilde and by association Lowe a long time ago. Which is a shame... because a stand is needed.
Ponty Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 See I disagree. I think there are leaders out there...known to all of us, but the trouble is they sold their souls to Wilde and by association Lowe a long time ago. Which is a shame... because a stand is needed. Doesn't that then make them unworthy, as I suggested?
Chez Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Ponty, there was no internet when Branfoot was at the club...! web invented 89 and Branfort sacked in 94. Didn't you get the `hope he dies soon' email?
Micky Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 web invented 89 and Branfort sacked in 94. Didn't you get the `hope he dies soon' email? Really - I must have been an internet 'late starter'.
Window Cleaner Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 I would personally doubt that any tickets will be offered for sale until our continued existence is assured. It would be deemed irresponsible to do so knowing that administration is still a real factor in the equation. If season tickets (next season) are offered for sale I think you can write off administration at any time in the near future.
Mole Posted 12 February, 2009 Author Posted 12 February, 2009 I would personally doubt that any tickets will be offered for sale until our continued existence is assured. It would be deemed irresponsible to do so knowing that administration is still a real factor in the equation. If season tickets (next season) are offered for sale I think you can write off administration at any time in the near future. Are you basing this on opinion or precedent?
Window Cleaner Posted 12 February, 2009 Posted 12 February, 2009 Are you basing this on opinion or precedent? Well sort of opinion based on common sense really. If a board knew that they were very very close to administration, selling tickets for next season would be considered rash and foolish. Not the sort of behaviour that you'd want to tote about when you were planning on taking the said company out of said administration as the offer most likely to succeed.Because said monies would go to old creditors plus new creditors having bought STs. Shooting any new outfit in the ass. I mean there can be no new factors that would force us into admin from here to the end of the season,any factors exist already. They can't be counting on massive ST sales anyway so to me it just strikes as a certain logic.
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