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F**K off - we're the People Front of Stage Two Protest, splitters

 

so brover, apart from a new 32k seater stadium, a state of the art training ground, a thriving youth academy that has produced enough talent to keep the club afloat through these hard times, and stadium catering that is the envy of the modern world, what has Rupert Lowe ever done for us!

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Here's my idea:

 

-Get p1ssed, watching Saints sober is intolerable IMO

-We need points and fast so watch the team and get behind the lads

-If things go from bad to worse and beyond the point of no return, cause mayhem, absolute mayhem, enough to cause national exposure

-Get p1ssed and drown your sorrows

 

simple and easy and a win-win situation, we either get the points(s) or we cause enough disruption to make Lowe, Wilde et al positions untenable.

 

Are you thinking along the lines of a pitch invasion? there will be too many steps in place to prevent that I would think. We need to keep it non-violent though as soon as theres trouble we lose all credibility.

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Here's my idea:

 

-Get p1ssed, watching Saints sober is intolerable IMO

-We need points and fast so watch the team and get behind the lads

-If things go from bad to worse and beyond the point of no return, cause mayhem, absolute mayhem, enough to cause national exposure

-Get p1ssed and drown your sorrows

 

simple and easy and a win-win situation, we either get the points(s) or we cause enough disruption to make Lowe, Wilde et al positions untenable.

i want the saints to win and stay up .and then make life hell for the main suspects if we get relegated.
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so brover, apart from a new 32k seater stadium, a state of the art training ground, a thriving youth academy that has produced enough talent to keep the club afloat through these hard times, and stadium catering that is the envy of the modern world, what has Rupert Lowe ever done for us!

 

I think the radio station needed more time and sum of those rappers bruv.;)

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Protesters Ponty almost got it right but IMO there is no room for any protest. Take a look at yourselves you will resemble the opening credits to Dads Army if you're not careful. At this rate we will be splitting into 3 factions:

 

1)The Anti-Lowe Direct Action Group

2)The Anti-Lowe Peace Marchers

3)The Supporters

 

Marching in or marching out and still no plan if your successful. Have any of you considered the consequences of your actions?

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Protesters Ponty almost got it right but IMO there is no room for any protest. Take a look at yourselves you will resemble the opening credits to Dads Army if you're not careful. At this rate we will be splitting into 3 factions:

 

1)The Anti-Lowe Direct Action Group

2)The Anti-Lowe Peace Marchers

3)The Supporters

 

Marching in or marching out and still no plan if your successful. Have any of you considered the consequences of your actions?

 

Your not Lord Haw Haw, by chance or that bird of similar ilk, name forgotten.:smt054

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so brover, apart from a new 32k seater stadium, a state of the art training ground, a thriving youth academy that has produced enough talent to keep the club afloat through these hard times, and stadium catering that is the envy of the modern world, what has Rupert Lowe ever done for us!

 

Not kept us in the Premiership by failing to invest?

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Same as the swansea game hopefully.

 

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=47421484101&ref=ts

 

This will be more effective than marching away from the ground imo.

 

Who's up for it?

 

Will it be more effective though Mr. X??

 

If the numbers were the same for both protests then marching away from the ground would be much more effective.

 

1000 fans marching away would potentially cost the club around £30k, marching to the ground costs the club nothing, they don't see the march as the curtains are shut, they don't hear it because the protest stops outside!

 

If your saying there will be more marching to the ground then yes, your probably right, if your saying as idea's it will be more effective then no, your most definitely wrong!

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Here's my idea:

 

-Get p1ssed, watching Saints sober is intolerable IMO

-We need points and fast so watch the team and get behind the lads

-If things go from bad to worse and beyond the point of no return, cause mayhem, absolute mayhem, enough to cause national exposure

-Get p1ssed and drown your sorrows

 

simple and easy and a win-win situation, we either get the points(s) or we cause enough disruption to make Lowe, Wilde et al positions untenable.

 

 

 

Yep that could work. One way to stop the won't boycotters to miss some games. Get the club to play behind closed doors because of the mayhem

 

Bright really bright:smt054:smt054.

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I did like the idea of a march away but, you will never get the numbers to support it Im afraid. The fact is that some people cannot stop going to football, me included.

 

I still think a mass sit in at the end of a game is quite good as done at the Dell against Newcastle etc, then move it outside

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Will it be more effective though Mr. X??

 

If the numbers were the same for both protests then marching away from the ground would be much more effective.

 

1000 fans marching away would potentially cost the club around £30k, marching to the ground costs the club nothing, they don't see the march as the curtains are shut, they don't hear it because the protest stops outside!

 

If your saying there will be more marching to the ground then yes, your probably right, if your saying as idea's it will be more effective then no, your most definitely wrong!

 

Your right I agree with some of your points in this, I mean from a publicity point of view that the march will be more effective if its the same as last time, I just can't see the numbers turning up to walk away from the stadium however i'm more than happy to be proved wrong.

 

Also is it in our best interests to cost the club more money when we are alledgedly close to admin because of finincial burden?, dont get me wrong I want Lowe Wilde and the rest gone ASAP.

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Your right I agree with some of your points in this, I mean from a publicity point of view that the march will be more effective if its the same as last time, I just can't see the numbers turning up to walk away from the stadium however i'm more than happy to be proved wrong.

 

Also is it in our best interests to cost the club more money when we are alledgedly close to admin because of finincial burden?, dont get me wrong I want Lowe Wilde and the rest gone ASAP.

 

1. I don't want to prove anyone wrong, i believe there is enough room for both protests. The march to the ground doesn't really appeal to me on a purely selfish point of view, the pub, and i drink with a lot of like minded lads! Also, no I don't think the numbers will be the same, some fans want Lowe out but would never dream of boycotting. I think if the second march had as many as 50% the first march it would be a good turn out!

 

2 . Is it in the clubs best interest to sack JP, put Hockaday and Webster on gardening leave having to pay them all compensation/wages. Sign Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, Pekhart, Schneriden, Wotton, Robertson etc when we're supposedly on the brink? Make no mistake here mate, if the club is relegated and or enters administration the blame will be squarely and holely lie at the feet of Lowe & Wilde!

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1. I don't want to prove anyone wrong, i believe there is enough room for both protests. The march to the ground doesn't really appeal to me on a purely selfish point of view, the pub, and i drink with a lot of like minded lads! Also, no I don't think the numbers will be the same, some fans want Lowe out but would never dream of boycotting. I think if the second march had as many as 50% the first march it would be a good turn out!

 

2 . Is it in the clubs best interest to sack JP, put Hockaday and Webster on gardening leave having to pay them all compensation/wages. Sign Gasmi, Pulis, Forecast, Pekhart, Schneriden, Wotton, Robertson etc when we're supposedly on the brink? Make no mistake here mate, if the club is relegated and or enters administration the blame will be squarely and holely lie at the feet of Lowe & Wilde!

 

Don't worry they will be sure to accept full responsibilty when the worst happens ;)

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Protesters Ponty almost got it right but IMO there is no room for any protest. Take a look at yourselves you will resemble the opening credits to Dads Army if you're not careful. At this rate we will be splitting into 3 factions:

 

1)The Anti-Lowe Direct Action Group

2)The Anti-Lowe Peace Marchers

3)The Supporters

 

Marching in or marching out and still no plan if your successful. Have any of you considered the consequences of your actions?

 

Sage advice, Nineteen. If this is to work, we need unity. But there is no disunity if there is one march to the stadium and one protest following on, be that a mass boycott, a walk away or my preferred option a mass protest outside the ground whilst the match is in progress.

 

At least there is unity of purpose, which is what really matters.

 

And I know from the freudian slip that I highlighted that you let your guard down for a second to hint that you really want Lowe and Wilde gone as much as the rest of us. ;)

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Same old same........infighting amongst fans. Truth is, the last protest done a lot of goos Stu, and so will this one, if only you can open your eyes and see why.

 

That said, it beggers belief, that instead of one protest, we have others jumping on the band wagon with their crys of 'follow me chaps'.

 

How about forming a committe, then pull together, instead of opposite directions...............................The board will be loving this!!!

 

 

If a commitee could be formed and it asked the right questions, it is possible that everyone could have an imput. So far we have only seen the one march which I did along with a lot of other Saints fans. That went well and surely we can move on from their without inhouse bickering. Point scoring is all well and good but it will achieve exactly nothing. Apart from splitting us down the middle.

WE NEED TO BOTH HAVE AND SHOW A UNITED FRONT IN OUR FIGHT TO OUST LOWE AND WILDE. INFIGHTING ONLY DIVIDES AND WEAKENS.

 

Let's talk to each other and get ready to do whatever for the next home game after Preston and on if necessary.

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I won't get involved in this pointless protest, although I hate Rupert a lot.

I choose to attend the game and support the lads. I will of course get myself seriously wrecked beforehand.

 

To be honest, I personally don't think a march will achieve anything, but each to their own and everyone can protest in whichever way possible.

 

The walkout wouldn't get the numbers to make it a viable option, so I will be protesting by staying in the pub as normal and arriving at the ground at about 3:05 and making life as uncomfortable as possible for Lowe and Wilde during the 90 minutes.

 

Hopefully once a few more people have realised that we are already relegated then the boycott will have the support.

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If I have said it once, I have said it a million times, marching will not work, we are not trying to oust a Manager, thats simple and we even did it before we even got one! But to oust a chairman, well, that takes something else. Like a Michael Wilde to ride in and save us, but we all know what happened there. Leon hasn't got the money or bottle and realistically there is absolutely no one else out there, and if there are one or two other interested parties they are probably sitting in the same boat as Leon Crouch.

So that leaves the only other option, which is to effectively force the board to restructure, i.e. create no confidence in the two main adverseries (of the fans') so that their positions become untenable, but then what are we left with? The rest of our board, who frankly have got us into this abysmal mess in the first place.

Otherwise, we as fans force this club into receivership, because Barclays (or whoever it is we owe) run scared that the majority of the fanbase i.e. customers, i.e. revenue totally collapse, so Barclays pull the plug. And thats assuming that we are that skint, I mean does anyone actually know or is it the great RL propoganda machine in full throttle? We are hardly Man City, thats for sure, but are we that skint? For Wilde to team up with Lowe certainly suggests that they are worried deeply about their investments but did they get back in time to steady the ship and now its tight but okay, unless the fans don't come and tip the club over the edge that is?

Then what happens? We get relegated certainly, but by the time this all happens we are down anyway and so we lose 10 points next season, which by the looks of this season could actually condemn us to the bottom division. In the meantime the administrators do a deal with Rupert and suddenly he owns 100% of SFC, and that is the scariest scenerio of all!

So whats the answer?

I really believe our best hope is LC, it won't be perfect but really, how could it be any worse than now? I mean how could it? I would personally rather go down with LC than RL (so to speak!), at least he is a Saints fan and has at one time or another commited his own cash to this club (directors loan account i am sure, but he's done it!).

Otherwise, the board voting out (or the shareholders) the current chairmen and seeing where Askham and co go from there?

I am worried about the fans denting the club too much by walkouts etc but at the same time we need to demonstrate an ability of power and unfortunately the most effective way of doing this is by affecting the revenue of SFC (and I still maintain that matchday sales of beer, programmes and pies is ultimately the most effective way of doing so and can be properly organised and supported by many more than the few who (and a big fair play to them) are willing to walk out and miss the match through protest, but we have to be careful, otherwise as well as destroying Lowe and Wilde we will also destroy this club too.

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If a commitee could be formed and it asked the right questions, it is possible that everyone could have an imput. So far we have only seen the one march which I did along with a lot of other Saints fans. That went well and surely we can move on from their without inhouse bickering. Point scoring is all well and good but it will achieve exactly nothing. Apart from splitting us down the middle.

WE NEED TO BOTH HAVE AND SHOW A UNITED FRONT IN OUR FIGHT TO OUST LOWE AND WILDE. INFIGHTING ONLY DIVIDES AND WEAKENS.

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This is something that could be set up whilst on this new march. FFS don't argue its merits but use it as a means to an end. Also for what its worth the first march got off the ground through Facebook and here and the media chased it. They didn't go after them to advertise it. We do need to move things on as a fanbase to escalate these protests but people need to talk openly in the flesh to get things moving, so I will ask all those who feel they want to make a protest, support this one, raise your voice before we set off and we can grow and build this together. Collectively!

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Whether it works or not, I dont really care. However, it is great to see a unifying force at work in our fan-base, and from what I read the spirit last time round was great and there were big smiles amongst the marchers.

 

What has completely shocked me is the amount of personal abuse the young lad organising this and the last one has received on the Echo website comments. We either have some real waaankers amongst the fan base, the Echo site attracts whinging nutjobs (some of the complaining on there about a variety of topics from IKEA to two flies crawling up a wall is ridiculous and only serves to support my theory that some people will be anti everything just to get some attention - we see that on here two from the likes of Frank's cousin), or there is a real PR job at work again in the affairs of SFC.

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Whether it works or not, I dont really care. However, it is great to see a unifying force at work in our fan-base, and from what I read the spirit last time round was great and there were big smiles amongst the marchers.

 

What has completely shocked me is the amount of personal abuse the young lad organising this and the last one has received on the Echo website comments. We either have some real waaankers amongst the fan base, the Echo site attracts whinging nutjobs (some of the complaining on there about a variety of topics from IKEA to two flies crawling up a wall is ridiculous and only serves to support my theory that some people will be anti everything just to get some attention - we see that on here two from the likes of Frank's cousin), or there is a real PR job at work again in the affairs of SFC.

 

:smt082

 

Ever considered that a sizable number of people here think the same of you?

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:smt082

 

Ever considered that a sizable number of people here think the same of you?

 

Well they are wrong, so couldnt care less what you think.

 

I have been straight-down-the-line, consistent and more-often-than-not correct, for several years.

 

People like you are just piissed at being wrong and shown up to be wrong.

 

Oh, and the first two lines of my post that you have taken exception to does not indicate that I am anti-everything. :rolleyes:

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I hope the Saints fans can overcome there apathy and get behind the march to the stadium the last 1 was good well attended and the more people that turn up the more coverage it will recieve and the more pressure on Lowe & Wilde to do 1 and feck off.

 

I truly believe that to move forward we need a change at the top so all you keyboard warriors and stay away fans DO SOMETHING sitting on our arse do nothing will not achieve change this might not either but at least you can hold your head up and say you are trying.

 

UTS

Lowe out

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This thread makes me laugh.

 

Surely the stated intention of those that want Lowe to have nothing to do ith our club should be for him to sell his shares. He can come and go, as he has done, as a director but he must sell his shares and by implication those supporters of his must also sell their shares before he can properly go and leave us to move on.

 

What will cause Lowe to sell his shares? Personally I think it will take an awful lot. I think he will take us down and down again before he finally gives in. Alternatively I think he would be bite someone's arm off if they made a ridiculously high offer for his (and his supporters') shares but who has such millions to simply throw away? There hasnt been anyone daft/rich enoughyet.

 

How can those that want Lowe out help speed things up? Do not renew your ST and only go to games next year if you wish (go to away games instead). Poor ST sales will make Lowe etc and the bank sit up. Do not buy merchandise, do not buy memberships (why the hell would you want to anyway?), buy your pints and food from the pubs and shops before games etc. Hit them in the pocket. Unfortunately it may see us fall even lower down the league system in the short term but ultimately it may get rid of Lowe and his cronies.

 

If we keep putting money into the club we are simply prolonging Lowe's involvement of the club. It's sad seeing this club slowly dying. Let's kill the cancer that is Lowe and quickly. Hopefully we can then start to see this club recover under new ownership.

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This thread makes me laugh.

 

Surely the stated intention of those that want Lowe to have nothing to do ith our club should be for him to sell his shares. He can come and go, as he has done, as a director but he must sell his shares and by implication those supporters of his must also sell their shares before he can properly go and leave us to move on.

 

What will cause Lowe to sell his shares? Personally I think it will take an awful lot. I think he will take us down and down again before he finally gives in. Alternatively I think he would be bite someone's arm off if they made a ridiculously high offer for his (and his supporters') shares but who has such millions to simply throw away? There hasnt been anyone daft/rich enoughyet.

 

How can those that want Lowe out help speed things up? Do not renew your ST and only go to games next year if you wish (go to away games instead). Poor ST sales will make Lowe etc and the bank sit up. Do not buy merchandise, do not buy memberships (why the hell would you want to anyway?), buy your pints and food from the pubs and shops before games etc. Hit them in the pocket. Unfortunately it may see us fall even lower down the league system in the short term but ultimately it may get rid of Lowe and his cronies.

 

If we keep putting money into the club we are simply prolonging Lowe's involvement of the club. It's sad seeing this club slowly dying. Let's kill the cancer that is Lowe and quickly. Hopefully we can then start to see this club recover under new ownership.

 

A voice of reason. Unfortunately, too many people are too scared by the consequences to take this course of action.

 

Lowe has them by the short-and-curlies..

 

Also, some like the getting the buzz of being proven to be hard-core Über fans.

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My own personal opinion, for what ever its worth is that;

 

Like a lot of other Saints fans I am totally gutted about the current state of our club.

 

while you can be argue all day long about details, I firmly believe that Lowe and to a lesser degree Wilde are responsible for the declining fortunes of our club, and I believe we need a clean break from them both if Southampton Football Club is to one day return to its previously respected position.

 

With no likely chance of a wealth savior riding in on a white horse with enough cash to satisfy the demands of Lowe and Wilde this leaves us the supporters with decisions to make for ourselves.

 

They are IMHO, to carry on as if nothing was wrong behind the scenes, turning up as normal, cheering on the lads and taking whatever happens ultimately as matters beyond our control. Or, boycotting games, with the attitude of "I'm not giving any more of my hard earned to that man". Or Demonstrating in a law abiding, very liberal manor with the odd march and rally in front of closed curtains hoping that the majority of other "decent normal" fans will join the ground swell, or Create civil unrest inside and outside the ground, pitch invasions, road sit ins, pickets at Lowes house etc.. Or, you can do what I think I'm going to do which is to put my support into St Jason's STHU campaign whereby all prospective season ticket holders pledge not to renew until change has materialized.

Its obviously a very personal; decision. I think one of the biggest problems is that we do not have a respected spokesperson, leader of a unified supporters movement, (i'm disregarding the Trust obviously as they are now no more than Lowes mouth piece and a place to jump the cue in the Alfred)

 

One things for sure, its bound to get worse before things start getting better, I have never felt as angry about anything outside of my family/business in my life and I only wish we could all stop bickering about marches/walkouts/boycotts and start some unified campaigning to achieve the conclusion that the majority of us want.

 

Finally, for those of you who will say, "ah yes but who is going to run the club when you force Lowe out" well, I think administration quickly, followed by the departure of the board, followed by new cash with a new board is possible and is the most likely way out of our problems.

All IMHO

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Scudamore what is with you. Do you enjoy ruining threads for other people?

 

Some thread (most of yours for example) require ruining as they are repetitive tosh.

 

It was not my intention to ruin this thread...and i had drawn a line under my disagreement with alpine about the fact that he is the biggest attention seeker going. As it's obviously not an argument even worth having.

 

The thread could quite easily get back on track and i'm sure it will...so i suggest you mind your own business...

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Some thread (most of yours for example) require ruining as they are repetitive tosh.

 

It was not my intention to ruin this thread...and i had drawn a line under my disagreement with alpine about the fact that he is the biggest attention seeker going. As it's obviously not an argument even worth having.

 

The thread could quite easily get back on track and i'm sure it will...so i suggest you mind your own business...

 

shhhhhhh.

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