Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 of putting the myth to bed that sturrock was a good appointment he is proper gash and plymouth will do very well to stay up this year (as I predicted)
Window Cleaner Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 of putting the myth to bed that sturrock was a good appointment he is proper gash and plymouth will do very well to stay up this year (as I predicted) Good appointment? perhaps not but if the club had given him a bit more time and organised his succession a bit differently we may have been less useless than under Wigley. In any case we should have given the job to Glen Hoddle but the board, on the back of supporter (or customer) frenzy, voted down Lowe's proposition. That probably irked him more than you can guess and he took the attitude that I'm right and I'll f*cking well prove it. The events that followed are well known.
Give it to Ron Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 I would rather have Sturrock than JP or Wotte.
eelpie Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 of putting the myth to bed that sturrock was a good appointment he is proper gash and plymouth will do very well to stay up this year (as I predicted) But do you think that Plymouth will accompany Saints or go down instead?
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 But do you think that Plymouth will accompany Saints or go down instead? plymouth will do very well to stay up..sturrock is crap...very crap holloway was better at plymouth...the thought of sturrock in the prem is laughable.. cheers lowe
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Plymouth were a lot worse until Sturrock arrived. The evidence is that he took them up two divisions (the fact Williamson oversaw the very end of the second promotion campaign doesn't take away from this). Sturrock never got a chance to prove what he could do at Saints. None of this is my opinion. It is fact.
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 plymouth were better under pulis and holloway in this league.. plymouth are a relegation rival
lordswoodsaints Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 of putting the myth to bed that sturrock was a good appointment he is proper gash and plymouth will do very well to stay up this year (as I predicted) i agree TDD,i never rated him and tbh i was very dissapointed in his appointment and i was glad that he was given the boot.i think lowe knew he made a mistake and acted quickly but it was another appointment he never should have made.he isnt a good manager (although he is better than what we have) and his level is championship/L1 nothing more nothing less.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 of putting the myth to bed that sturrock was a good appointment he is proper gash and plymouth will do very well to stay up this year (as I predicted) Did he nick your pint or sleep with your partner etc as you seem obsessed with him. Anyone with any knowledge of football knows Sturrock has a decent record managing in Scotland and England usually with limited budgets. If you went to games, you might have witnesed some great football when he was at Saints. Plymouth have no money like us but are still 7 points better and i know who i would bet on to stay up.
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 i have seen more games under sturrock than you by a country mile so thanks on telling me to go to games to judge..... he is gash and shocking that he came to saints
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Plymouth were a lot worse until Sturrock arrived. The evidence is that he took them up two divisions (the fact Williamson oversaw the very end of the second promotion campaign doesn't take away from this). Sturrock never got a chance to prove what he could do at Saints. None of this is my opinion. It is fact. Don't bother using facts with Delldays, he doesn't like them.
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 i have seen more games under sturrock than you by a country mile so thanks on telling me to go to games to judge..... he is gash and shocking that he came to saints Did you watch Saints at the time then? were you at Man City and Wolves away games? Liverpool and Newcastle home games?
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 yes mate I did i have seen plymouth under him many times he is rubbish and plymouth fans are starting to turn it is a FACT that (rubbish) holloway was better at plymouth than sturrock...
Eddie Moliano Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Did you watch Saints at the time then? were you at Man City and Wolves away games? Liverpool and Newcastle home games? Agreed, enjoyed some brilliant matches under Sturrock. He promoted Yoann Folly / Leandre Griffit to the first team and both shone under him. Purchased Peter Crouch that summer. I thought he was a very good manager for us and was very disappointed when he left, as he would have done well. Even when he was sacked - we'd won 1 and lost 1 out of 2 games. But thanks (allegedly) to Beattie / Dodd whoever, he got the push and the rest is history. I highly doubt we'd have been relegated with Sturrock on charge.
aintforever Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 yes mate I did i have seen plymouth under him many times he is rubbish and plymouth fans are starting to turn it is a FACT that (rubbish) holloway was better at plymouth than sturrock... Havn't Plymouth been forced to sell loads of players? I expect Sturrock has had less to work with than our bunch of monkeys.
alehouseboys Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 i have seen more games under sturrock than you by a country mile so thanks on telling me to go to games to judge..... he is gash and shocking that he came to saints ...from a Plymouth side that he had transformed into a decent side and who's fans adored him...was he a good manager then? Maybe it just proves that a person should 'never go back'...and also suggests that Hoddle may not have been so great if he had done as his few admirers on here would have you believe.
VectisSaint Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Bad appointment at Saints, not suited for the Prem or prima donna players. But good manager at CCC/League 1/League 2 level as he has proven time and again. 4 promotions with 4 different clubs, plus an almost promotion with Argyle when we nicked him, proves what a good manager he is at the appropriate level. So he is having a poor season at Argyle this season, every manager will have a spell when they are less effective than they have been before (after all George Burley was allegedly once a good manager before he joined us). There are few managers in the Football League that boast a success rate equal to Luggy.
Mole Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Did he nick your pint or sleep with your partner etc as you seem obsessed with him. Anyone with any knowledge of football knows Sturrock has a decent record managing in Scotland and England usually with limited budgets. If you went to games, you might have witnesed some great football when he was at Saints. Plymouth have no money like us but are still 7 points better and i know who i would bet on to stay up. Dulldays in talking out his arse shocker. I also prefer to stick to facts and the fact is we had made a solid start to the season when Lowe sacked Sturrock. We all know what happened after Sturrock left.
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 Havn't Plymouth been forced to sell loads of players? . the outside looking in to saints...they would say the same
saint_ed Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 I don't rate Sturrock but he deserves credit for signing Crouch and KJ when he was with us. Although KJ started terribly, he went on to score some important goals for us and resulted in us generating over £6million of revenue. Crouch's record speaks for itself.
Legod Third Coming Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks WGS was hopeless for us based on his time at Coventry??
saint_ed Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Am I the only one who thinks WGS was hopeless for us based on his time at Coventry?? I would think so.
JustMike Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 cant really comment on how well or not he would have done for us, wasnt given long enough.
70's Mike Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Not sure how good he would have been , but he was a dam site better than the dutch duo and he gave me a 50th birthday present when we beat Man City away, one of the better away days in the last 5 years
SaintRobbie Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 I would rather have Sturrock than JP or Wotte. Yep. Right now I'd agree. I think he made mistakes but was certainly not the worst of a long list of Lowe appointees.
saint_ed Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Yep. Right now I'd agree. I think he made mistakes but was certainly not the worst of a long list of Lowe appointees. Dodd & Gorman, Wigley and Gray rank lower than Sturrock without a shadow of a doubt.
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Actually TDD you predicted they would be bottom and relegated so your prediction is not correct.
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 Actually TDD you predicted they would be bottom and relegated so your prediction is not correct. season is far from over yet...
hypochondriac Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 season is far from over yet... Fair enough. I look forward to your humble post in May
WealdSaint Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Remeber "Luggy's lowdown" on the OS? To be fair to Sturrock he was not given enough time to be really judged here. I still remember nearly crashing the car at the start of that season when I heard Rupert on the radio talking about winning the premier league..........I suppose in an upside down world we did!
Dalek2003 Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Good appointment? perhaps not but if the club had given him a bit more time and organised his succession a bit differently we may have been less useless than under Wigley. In any case we should have given the job to Glen Hoddle but the board, on the back of supporter (or customer) frenzy, voted down Lowe's proposition. That probably irked him more than you can guess and he took the attitude that I'm right and I'll f*cking well prove it. The events that followed are well known. Something along those lines. However, because of the involvement of a certain minority of noisy fans, there has been an attempt to airbrush this issue from the clubs history, due to embarassment on those fans involved.
Give it to Ron Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Something along those lines. However, because of the involvement of a certain minority of noisy fans, there has been an attempt to airbrush this issue from the clubs history, due to embarassment on those fans involved. Airbrushed from history hahahhahaha your the embarassing one mate with 99.9% of your posts bleating the same over and over again. There were many other choices around at that time who we could of chosen not just your pin up who has been a failure in every job bar rhe one he did here.
Ponty Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 plymouth were better under pulis and holloway in this league.. plymouth are a relegation rival There's no need for rivalry. Tell them they have the relegation spot if they want it so bad.
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 There's no need for rivalry. Tell them they have the relegation spot if they want it so bad. there is room for them down here with us I guess.. if we go down, I hope they do to keep a close game for me
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Airbrushed from history hahahhahaha your the embarassing one mate with 99.9% of your posts bleating the same over and over again. There were many other choices around at that time who we could of chosen not just your pin up who has been a failure in every job bar rhe one he did here. Funny thing is everyone knows that apart from one poster who ignores the Hoddle failures with club and country.
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 to be fair....given the choice of sturrock OR hoddle...at the time hoddle wins for me..
Give it to Ron Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 to be fair....given the choice of sturrock OR hoddle...at the time hoddle wins for me.. But that is the whole point against that nut job Dalek...there were loads of other choices Alain Perrin being one touted for the job but we did what we always do here and go for the cheap option. Guess what ...we did it again recently to prove that loveable old rosey cheeks never ever learns by his mistakes!
Thedelldays Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Posted 8 February, 2009 (edited) But that is the whole point against that nut job Dalek...there were loads of other choices Alain Perrin being one touted for the job but we did what we always do here and go for the cheap option. Guess what ...we did it again recently to prove that loveable old rosey cheeks never ever learns by his mistakes! oh..i agree...personally I was all for the Hod coming back at the time... he would have been far better than sturrock... it is quite laughable really when you think about it...we had a very good team, the season before had a european adventure...had serious ambitions for another UEFA cup spot (whilst the chairman wanted champions league)....all that was real and a serious prospect...the team needed the right manager (and there were plenty out there) with 2 or 3 good additions to the squad.. instead we went fishing to league 1 for a manager and signed mikael nilson.. brilliant Edited 8 February, 2009 by Thedelldays because I am an idiot
Give it to Ron Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 instead we went fishing to league 1 for a manager and signed mikael nilson.. brilliant Don't start me on Nilsson having watched him in the Euros before we signed him it was soo obvious he was no good for the English league - never before have I seen a player play 4 games without tackling once! The whole Hoddle thing is pie in the sky though, who knows if Sturrock had stayed 4 more games we may have had enough points going by his win ratio. Loads of other ifs and buts if we did not lose Paul Smith in a training ground incident and have to play Blayney etc and we wouldn't of had to put up with 800 posts bleating the same thing that is based on pure conjecture. Its the same as Pearson isn't it we will never know....if only we had appointed Moyes when we had the chance!
Saint Baz Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Agreed, enjoyed some brilliant matches under Sturrock. He promoted Yoann Folly / Leandre Griffit to the first team and both shone under him. Purchased Peter Crouch that summer. I thought he was a very good manager for us and was very disappointed when he left, as he would have done well. Even when he was sacked - we'd won 1 and lost 1 out of 2 games. But thanks (allegedly) to Beattie / Dodd whoever, he got the push and the rest is history. I highly doubt we'd have been relegated with Sturrock on charge. Here's the real reason he got the push. Maybe this is why we've been so bad subsequently? :smt022 http://www.the-onion-bag.com/index.php?story=214 TBF Luggy's record wasn't that bad, 5 wins from 13, which was far better than Steve Wigley's. Now he was useless!!
saintwarwick Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 of putting the myth to bed that sturrock was a good appointment he is proper gash and plymouth will do very well to stay up this year (as I predicted) One thing is for sure WE WILL NEVER KNOW. He had a won 5, drawn 2 and lost 6 record with a win rate of just under 39%. That equates to safety in the premiership by a large margin. As someone has already pointed out it doesn't always work out a second time. He has a win rate of just over 35% at present but previously as manager at Plymouth he had a win rate of 47.75% which is a very big margin between the two.
saintwarwick Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 oh..i agree...personally I was all for the Hod coming back at the time... he would have been far better than sturrock... it is quite laughable really when you think about it...we had a very good team, the season before had a european adventure...had serious ambitions for another UEFA cup spot (whilst the chairman wanted champions league)....all that was real and a serious prospect...the team needed the right manager (and there were plenty out there) with 2 or 3 good additions to the squad.. instead we went fishing to league 1 for a manager and signed mikael nilson.. brilliant IYO. As I and others have pointed out it doesn't always work out a second time. What you should of posted was he MAY have been far better than Sturrock but we will never know. HTH.
Papa Shango Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Did you watch Saints at the time then? were you at Man City and Wolves away games? Liverpool and Newcastle home games? By the same token, were you there at Portsmouth, Boro and Villa away? Bolton at home? Even his last game at home to a poor Blackburn side we were bloody lucky. I'm sure Sturrock would have done a hell of a lot better than Wigley and he might have kept us up, but I think there were a lot better options out there when we first appointed him. (Not Hoddle though)
Wade Garrett Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Did you watch Saints at the time then? were you at Man City and Wolves away games? Liverpool and Newcastle home games? Agreed, he was decent and the attacking football we played under him was a breath of fresh air. Lowe made a bad error in not backing him 100%.
belgrave Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 He was awful in his time with us. The end of season "meaningless" period, we were up and down, but I thought his attitude stank. If we lost it was always "their" (the players) fault. He seemed very similar to HR in his "not me" attitude. That Villa away game (first game following season), was one of the worst performances i have ever seen from us (including some this year). I walked away from that thinking we'd had it. Which was confirmed by the Bolton performance a couple of days later. He was not up to it. Agree with DD.
saintwarwick Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 He was awful in his time with us. The end of season "meaningless" period, we were up and down, but I thought his attitude stank. If we lost it was always "their" (the players) fault. He seemed very similar to HR in his "not me" attitude. That Villa away game (first game following season), was one of the worst performances i have ever seen from us (including some this year). I walked away from that thinking we'd had it. Which was confirmed by the Bolton performance a couple of days later. He was not up to it. Agree with DD. I agree against Villa we were totally sh1te and from what I remember we didn't have a single shot at goal but our next game was against Blackburn and not Bolton, a game we luckily won 3-2, he left two days later. However as there appeared to be unrest amongst some players that would show in the team performance. Maybe that accounts for the bad performances. As for the bit about Sturrock blaming the players and not himself, I have yet to hear a manager blame himself, always the fault of the ref, players, injuries, decisions etc.
sperm_john Posted 8 February, 2009 Posted 8 February, 2009 Well he's not gonna be top of the list to replace fergie when he go's, never rated him dont think i ever will
tedmaul Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Yep Sturrock is such a bad manager that he'll guide his team (on more of a limited budget ... Yes really) than us, to a higher position in the league. Unreal!
warsash saint Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Would probably still be in the Prem if had not been sacked that season.
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