exeter_saint Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 and why exactly cant you see "it being anything other than true" StuRomsey? I'll reserve all judgement if and when an investigation is completed
Ponty Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 It certainly hasn't made the Echo online... Anyone seen an early edition with it in or do we need to delete this thread?
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 It certainly hasn't made the Echo online... Anyone seen an early edition with it in or do we need to delete this thread? Bit like trying to unring a bell, no ? Some will have made up their minds in respect of their guilt, evidenced by some of the posts on this thread
Weston Super Saint Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 It certainly hasn't made the Echo online... Anyone seen an early edition with it in or do we need to delete this thread? Maybe the Echo received a phone call putting the record straight
Ponty Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Bit like trying to unring a bell, no ? Some will have made up their minds in respect of their guilt, evidenced by some of the posts on this thread Maybe, but I'm not too bothered about that, relatively speaking at least. I'm more concerned with protecting the site and its users from legal action. I'm no solicitor but some of these posts could seem a little bit iffy.
londonsaint1604 Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Then they turn on him telling him how much they earn and what have you ever done.then they start to throw there food at him and start to punch and kick him. Too far-fetched. Either it's complete ******** or has been hugely exaggerated, they'd have been arrested by now if they were kicking the **** out of a 'young lad' and while I doubt they're the cleverest of chaps there's no way they're stupid enough to do all that.
saint1977 Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 It certainly hasn't made the Echo online... Anyone seen an early edition with it in or do we need to delete this thread? I'd pull it Ponty - not a great deal to see.
Gorgiesaint Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 It certainly hasn't made the Echo online... Anyone seen an early edition with it in or do we need to delete this thread? I would pull this thread - there has been nothing to substantiate the rumour as put up in the opening post - and nothing to identify which other forum was supposed to have had this originally. We can always start a new thread to debate if & why the first team were out on the town rather than preparing for some extra training.
Junior Mullet Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Sad thread. What gets me is there are clearly so many of you that want this story to be true. I don't understand some people.
paris Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Yes a bunch of old fish wifes.. Sad thread. What gets me is there are clearly so many of you that want this story to be true. I don't understand some people.
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 I find it also amusing fans who are so outraged that a player might have hit a Saints fan and some of those same people were trying to defend fans attacking their own fans and stewards.
Pancake Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 It certainly hasn't made the Echo online... Anyone seen an early edition with it in or do we need to delete this thread? Delete it, I dont want anyone new coming onto this site and reading that a regular poster has got me confused with you FFS. Oh, and the players beating people up thing too.
Thedelldays Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 I find it also amusing fans who are so outraged that a player might have hit a Saints fan and some of those same people were trying to defend fans attacking their own fans and stewards. yep all too familiar on TSW....
JohnnyFartPants Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 I say good on the football players. They should have really turned the tables and shouted sing song abuse at him and then hurled a coin at his head!
paris Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Are you sure it's not this site that's driving people away from SMS...
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Are you sure it's not this site that's driving people away from SMS... im sure the fan in question was whiter than white too...we never do anything wrong...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 im sure the fan in question was whiter than white too...we never do anything wrong... Sad state of affairs when poor behaviour sanctions poor behaviour. That's how the world gets worse not better.
Teddy Nutkins Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Quote: Originally Posted by Le Goddard Saw the headlines on a board outside a newsagents on the way to work this morning. Sad sad times. How true is that........you know, nobody begruges the lads a little rest and relaxation, but ffs is there nobody at the club to guide these youngsters and explain to them that with the position the team is in, the protests that are going on, you use a little discretion as to where you have a drink or a night out. I am not saying this story is true or not,but for goodness sake young people need guidance, irrespective of whether they are footballer's on 5K a week.If it is true, the club and the police need to come down hard on those found at fault.:sad:
JohnnyFartPants Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 im sure the fan in question was whiter than white too...we never do anything wrong... That is what I was thinking. I dare say some jealous abuse was being given to the players who then returned it and things came to a head. I think we expect too much of football players in some ways. Young men that stand on a pitch and take abuse from visiting fans and in our case often our own, then have to carry on as if it doesn't affect them. Cantona took it a step too far but you can see how a player could easily just give abuse back. The amount of times a few fans report players for mouthing something to the crowd when for 90 minutes far worse and more personnal stuff has been addressed towards them is astounding.
JohnnyFartPants Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Sad state of affairs when poor behaviour sanctions poor behaviour. That's how the world gets worse not better. It is my belief that an eye for eye approach across the board, justice wise would make the world a better place, like it used to be.
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 That is what I was thinking. I dare say some jealous abuse was being given to the players who then returned it and things came to a head. I think we expect too much of football players in some ways. Young men that stand on a pitch and take abuse from visiting fans and in our case often our own, then have to carry on as if it doesn't affect them. Cantona took it a step too far but you can see how a player could easily just give abuse back. The amount of times a few fans report players for mouthing something to the crowd when for 90 minutes far worse and more personnal stuff has been addressed towards them is astounding. indeed..a player will get abused for 90 mins..being told his wife is a whore..he will die in a car crash or has aids or something...the said player will score a goal and celebrate by cup'ing his ear to the fans giving him stick, and the radio phone in will be flooded with irate fans slating the player for inciting trouble/not acting professional.. same with the stewards in some ways
Gingeletiss Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Sad state of affairs when poor behaviour sanctions poor behaviour. That's how the world gets worse not better. Today, 08:19 AM scott_saints Full Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Officially teh only ghey on teh forearm. Posts: 3,959 Quote: Originally Posted by Grim Reaper Done anything to deserve it ! Even though verbal abuse should not be condoned it still doesnt mean someone can physically assault someone, if this proves to be the case with these players then they should never pull on a red and white shirt again. Ffs!! Even worse, when it's condoned!!!
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 It is my belief that an eye for eye approach across the board, justice wise would make the world a better place, like it used to be. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"
exit2 Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Just apeared on Echo website and then quickly dissappeared. Headline was Saints Stars in Punch up Claim
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Just apeared on Echo website and then quickly dissappeared. Headline was Saints Stars in Punch up Claim Dangerous headline for a newspaper.... "claim" wtf, not pasted from here by any chance ?
Grim Reaper Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Ok Mr Scott Saints so what is your take on things, say if the story is true do you think its exceptable to attack a fan because they give you some verbal ?
JohnnyFartPants Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" Actually, an eye for an eye makes both sides function with only one eye, thus realising the consequences of their actions. Not blind, but educated and now changed for the better.
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Actually, an eye for an eye makes both sides function with only one eye, thus realising the consequences of their actions. Not blind, but educated and now changed for the better. Knew Ghandi was a fraud !!!!!!
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 That is what I was thinking. I dare say some jealous abuse was being given to the players who then returned it and things came to a head. I think we expect too much of football players in some ways. Young men that stand on a pitch and take abuse from visiting fans and in our case often our own, then have to carry on as if it doesn't affect them. Cantona took it a step too far but you can see how a player could easily just give abuse back. The amount of times a few fans report players for mouthing something to the crowd when for 90 minutes far worse and more personnal stuff has been addressed towards them is astounding. Yep that's right, blame the fans : roll : They should be exhonerated and have cakes baked in their honour [our players], after all they do such a good job don't they?
warsash saint Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Just apeared on Echo website and then quickly dissappeared. Headline was Saints Stars in Punch up Claim Headline still there 1 min ago
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Yep that's right, blame the fans : roll : They should be exhonerated and have cakes baked in their honour [our players], after all they do such a good job don't they? you seem to think that when someone mentions the fans they are automatically blaming them 100% when that simply is not the case...and a shame you choose to see it that way.. I see what I see on the merit of it and how fans tend to behave around footballers in some cases and what I have seen at the ground and have done myself.. does that mean it is 100% their/our fault..NO does that mean it is nothing to do with us...another NO I very very much doubt BWP and DMG went out a started to slap people
OldNick Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 (edited) Its not a headline as I would see one.It is a claim, I susoect the victim will be pictured sitting in his frontroom looking glum and butter wouldnt melt in his mouth after being viciously attacked by the 2 players and a kebab. If they have done so they are wrong, but I myself would not confront 2 of our players and mouth off to them about their job in their free time.They are paid as footballers not as councillers or PR people as a second job. Again I find it amusing the fans who thought it OK to attack stewards and fight with their own fans seem to me to be the most outraged about this. Edited 10 February, 2009 by OldNick
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 you seem to think that when someone mentions the fans they are automatically blaming them 100% when that simply is not the case...and a shame you choose to see it that way.. I see what I see on the merit of it and how fans tend to behave around footballers in some cases and what I have seen at the ground and have done myself.. does that mean it is 100% their/our fault..NO does that mean it is nothing to do with us...another NO I very very much doubt BWP and DMG went out a started to slap people And that's where we differ. You think it is perfectly acceptable to give someone a good kicking just because they said a few nasty words - sticks and stones and all that. I, on the other hand disagree, and much the same as the law, think that physical violence is not acceptable!! In my line of work I would be knocking people out every Friday and Saturday night at closing time because they had a few to drink and got a little bit lairy!
Thedelldays Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 And that's where we differ. You think it is perfectly acceptable to give someone a good kicking just because they said a few nasty words - sticks and stones and all that. I, on the other hand disagree, and much the same as the law, think that physical violence is not acceptable!! In my line of work I would be knocking people out every Friday and Saturday night at closing time because they had a few to drink and got a little bit lairy! again, you are reading what you want to read..where have I said giving someone a kicking was acceptable..I have done it..had it done to me..not proud and paid the price for it...that is life..
trousers Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Dangerous headline for a newspaper.... "claim" wtf, not pasted from here by any chance ? It used the words "stars" too....very sloppy journalism....
slickmick Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 It used the words "stars" too....very sloppy journalism.... And it was alleged he was kicked, so that rules DMG out as he would have scuffed the ground.
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 again, you are reading what you want to read..where have I said giving someone a kicking was acceptable..I have done it..had it done to me..not proud and paid the price for it...that is life.. By defending what they've done, you're condoning their actions aren't you?
trousers Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 And it was alleged he was kicked, so that rules DMG out as he would have scuffed the ground. Which leave "in" as the only accurate word in the headline? Nice.
Give it to Ron Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 It was also mentioned on Radio Hampshire 9am bulletin that the 2 were going to be questioned by Hampshire police - this news came from the police I think she said.
alpine_saint Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 And it was alleged he was kicked, so that rules DMG out as he would have scuffed the ground. heheheh
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 And it was alleged he was kicked, so that rules DMG out as he would have scuffed the ground. The allegation will fall on its arse if the victim says he was chased
Gingeletiss Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Once again on this forum, the point has been missed. These two, if the alligations are true, are suposed to be role models, people that our youngsters are supposed to look up to. Would a policeman, when abused, start beating the crap out of the abuser (don't answer that;)). No-one here should condone the actions of these two, if this is proven. I said the same about the night trip to Southsea, yet some here thought that was equally OK.........At 55, it says a lot about the morals of some on this forum. I now await execution..............:smt022
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Once again on this forum, the point has been missed. These two, if the alligations are true, are suposed to be role models, people that our youngsters are supposed to look up to. Would a policeman, when abused, start beating the crap out of the abuser (don't answer that;)). No-one here should condone the actions of these two, if this is proven. I said the same about the night trip to Southsea, yet some here thought that was equally OK.........At 55, it says a lot about the morals of some on this forum. I now await execution..............:smt022 I agree with you. They get paid vast sums of money for doing not a lot, and with that comes a responsibility. You CANNOT parade the team around a hospital giving presents to kids at Christmas time, and all the other stuff they do in and for the community, AND allow them to behave like the other yobs on the street. They have a position of responsibility in the community whether they like it or not, and as such should respect that. Fine, go out drinking [in moderation during the season I would say], but don't cross the line - which BWP doesn't even know exists is my guess
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 No-one here should condone the actions of these two I will not condone their alleged actions but equally I will not condemn them either until I am aware of the FACTS... Footballers, Coppers, Deputy Prime Minsters are first and foremost human beings and it is inherent in most human beings, rightly or wrongly, to lash out when being attacked
1976_Child Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 just a wee thought... ... perhaps we should all wait and see if these accusations are true before we burn the lads in question at the stake. Something to do with innocent until proven guilty. (the reason incidentaly that I don't join in with the baying hounds when they start singing "BWP he robs from the skates..." as he was completely aquitted of any crime and therefore did not in fact rob from the skates.)
JohnnyFartPants Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 Yep that's right, blame the fans : roll : They should be exhonerated and have cakes baked in their honour [our players], after all they do such a good job don't they? That makes sense!! So you are in favour of a workplace bullying system where the employee should take all manner of abuse unless they do their work to your ideal standard? Fair enough, you can argue that this is football and it is different from a normal job, but that works both ways. If it is an accepted stance to give abuse to a player then why not the other way around. To be against that makes the baiting crowd come across as cheap cowards in my book, if they can't take a bit of what they dish out.
Scudamore Posted 10 February, 2009 Posted 10 February, 2009 If i mugged someone off i'd expect things to get a bit tasty... Or some such talk...
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