Did BWP & McGoldrick attack a Saints fan?

[alpine_saint]

Ponty,

 

I would like to apologise for my comments. You are often sarcastic, but the comment that paritcularly irritated me this week was made by another mod whose name begins with "P".

 

I mixed you up, and am sorry. The rest of your post about this alleged incident I still disagree with.

[Mole]

All you need to look at is the reaction to Lallana allegedly crying when abuse was hurled at him (which I think is bull****, but that's neither here nor there). He's a kid for **** sake, and what's the majority of the reaction? To get him out of the club because we want "real men pulling on the jersey" as i read one person say. Yeah... That's getting behind the players. FFS, this kid was the dog's ******** at the end of last season, overhyped at the start of this to the point that everyone was worried about him being sold in January and now one unsubstantiated claim of him shedding a few tears in public and this is the reaction? No Hypo, the vast majority of people on here show more vitriol than support towards our players

 

I can see both sides here. On the one had it sends out the wrong signs when players are seen to be lording it in town on the back of fans hard earned money given our league position. If i was out and witnessed them showing off i dare say it'd wind me up. But like you say he's only a young adult and like the rest of the squad has been thrust into a CCC clubs first team. It's about "causes" and "symptoms". Lowe is the one who knew best and put all our eggs in a "play the kids" policy - he is the cause. The symptoms are the players who are out of their depth through no fault of theit own.

[sadoldgit]

What on Earth are you talking about? Don't be silly no one believes that.

 

Go back and check the thread about us going into administration last week and many believed it to be true. We seem to be discussing these incidents as if they happened. We were going to see our best young players in January and that was believed...I could go on..

[Block 5]

To begin with, Ponty's case should never come to trial. The Board has not produced one iota of evidence that the crime Ponty is charged with ever took place... It has relied instead upon the testimony of two witnesses, whose evidence has not only been called into serious question on cross-examination, but has been flatly contradicted by the defendant. Now, there is circumstantial evidence to indicate that alpine saint was beaten as a child - savagely. And Ponty now sits before you having taken the oath with the only good hand he possesses... his RIGHT. I have nothing but pity in my heart for the alpine. He is the victim of emotional poverty and ignorance. But my pity does not extend so far as to him putting a man's moderator status at stake, which he has done in an effort to get rid of his own guilt. Now I say "guilt," gentlemen, because it was guilt that motivated alpine. He's committed no crime - he has merely broken a rigid and time-honored code of our society, a code so severe that whoever breaks it is hounded from our midst as unfit to live with. He must destroy the evidence of his offense. But what was the evidence of his offense? Ponty, a human being. He must put Ponty away from him. Ponty was to him a daily reminder of what he did. Now, what did he do? He tempted a moderator. He was a full troll, and he tempted a moderator. He did something that, in our society, is unspeakable. He teased a moderator. Not an old admin, but a strong, young moderator. No code mattered to him before he broke it, but it came crashing down on him afterwards. The witnesses for the Board, with the exception of the wiltshire saint and Deano6 have presented themselves to you gentlemen, to this court in the cynical confidence that their testimony would not be doubted, confident that you gentlemen would go along with them on the assumption... the evil assumption that all moderators lie, all moderators are basically immoral beings, all moderators are not to be trusted around our forum. An assumption that one associates with minds of their caliber, and which is, in itself, gentlemen, a lie, which I do not need to point out to you. And so, a quiet, humble, respectable moderator, who has had the unmitigated TEMERITY to feel sorry for the forum members, has had to put his word against TWO troll's! The defendant is not guilty - but somebody in this forum is. Now, gentlemen, in this country, our messageboards are the great levelers. In our messageboards, all men are created equal. I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our messageboards and of our forums - that's no ideal to me. That is a living, working reality! Now I am confident that you gentlemen will review, without passion, the evidence that you have heard, come to a decision and restore this man to his family. In the name of GOD, do your duty. In the name of God, believe... Ponty.

 

I can't be bothered to read this...looks like someone is having a boring Sunday afternoon. More boring than mine.

[saint_ed]

I would urge people not to jump on the band wagon and think for themselves with regards to this rumour. I would doubt its true and no blame should be made until it is confirmed.

 

Sounds like someone sh!t stirring to me.

[Psycrow]

I can see both sides here. On the one had it sends out the wrong signs when players are seen to be lording it in town on the back of fans hard earned money given our league position. If i was out and witnessed them showing off i dare say it'd wind me up.

 

Can I ask why it would wind you up Stanley? These guys, irrespective of their job, earn good money. They can afford to do things like this, and they do it. If anyone else in any other job earning the same money did the same thing, people wouldn't bat an eyelid at it. The fact that the money had come from the club that we spend money on is irrelevant.

 

No offence intended, but this seems like a "chip on the shoulder" attitude. "I don't have that kind of money to do the things they do, so how dare they do it, especially in front of me"

 

Draganov's tongue in cheek comment pointed out exactly what's wrong with this attitude.

I see Lloyd james was in XXXX yesterday buying some top of the range clothing. I think its an absolute disgrace, he shouldnt spend his money in this shigh class shop. he should have spent his money in charity clothing shops and help support poverty and various medical research charities.

Its a bloody disgrace

[saint_ed]

Can I ask why it would wind you up Stanley? These guys, irrespective of their job, earn good money. They can afford to do things like this, and they do it. If anyone else in any other job earning the same money did the same thing, people wouldn't bat an eyelid at it. The fact that the money had come from the club that we spend money on is irrelevant.

 

No offence intended, but this seems like a "chip on the shoulder" attitude. "I don't have that kind of money to do the things they do, so how dare they do it, especially in front of me"

 

Draganov's tongue in cheek comment pointed out exactly what's wrong with this attitude.

 

Its simple jealousy Psycrow....all those moaning would do exactly the same thing.

[Mole]

Can I ask why it would wind you up Stanley? These guys, irrespective of their job, earn good money. They can afford to do things like this, and they do it. If anyone else in any other job earning the same money did the same thing, people wouldn't bat an eyelid at it. The fact that the money had come from the club that we spend money on is irrelevant.

 

A football club is a community institution and as such players should respect the locals to an extent. Lording it up when they are doing so badly is not showing respect. You cannot compare them with city traders etc as it's a different set of circumstances.

[Mr X]

Happened on Friday 'allegedly ' , just passing on what I have read from another forum.

 

Sorry I was refering to the original forum poster not you

[Psycrow]

A football club is a community institution and as such players should respect the locals to an extent. Lording it up when they are doing so badly is not showing respect. You cannot compare them with city traders etc as it's a different set of circumstances.

 

So Footballers should spend their money on rainbows and lollipops and dreams?

 

They're young men, with the same interests as every other young man...they can just afford more of those interests and in a more lavish manner.

 

I have to seriously wonder about people who verbally abuse a group of guys they see out drinking, no matter who they are, and still think they're right in the aftermath.

 

If Saints Ladies team were doing so badly and seen out on the ****, would it have been acceptable for male fans of their team to do the same thing? I know they don't make the same money, but that's not your point above, your point is one of community

[St Marco]

If it was true then i think it depends on what the guy was doing. If he was there like a right little chav acting all hard shouting abuse etc.. then he deserved a kicking. If your out trying to enjoy yourself with your mates and some loon comes up to you having a go at you i'm sure most of you would do the same. However that is not me saying it is ok to be violent it is saying if people are stupid and trying to be confrontational they can't complain when someone actually stands up to them.

But if he was just trying to talk to them in a normal manner and just having a laugh i.e not being confrontational or abusive then they are out of order. They are just people but they are representives of the club always. If they are out on the town then as others have mentioned they must be prepared for getting some flak, the club means so much to the community that your always going to get people venting at you if your playing crap, especially playing crap like DMG is.

[Mole]

So Footballers should spend their money on rainbows and lollipops and dreams?

 

They're young men, with the same interests as every other young man...they can just afford more of those interests and in a more lavish manner.

 

I have to seriously wonder about people who verbally abuse a group of guys they see out drinking, no matter who they are, and still think they're right in the aftermath.

 

If Saints Ladies team were doing so badly and seen out on the ****, would it have been acceptable for male fans of their team to do the same thing? I know they don't make the same money, but that's not your point above, your point is one of community

 

I can't be arsed to carry this argument on with you. You don't seem in touch with reality.

[hypochondriac]

All you need to look at is the reaction to Lallana allegedly crying when abuse was hurled at him (which I think is bull****, but that's neither here nor there). He's a kid for **** sake, and what's the majority of the reaction? To get him out of the club because we want "real men pulling on the jersey" as i read one person say. Yeah... That's getting behind the players. FFS, this kid was the dog's ******** at the end of last season, overhyped at the start of this to the point that everyone was worried about him being sold in January and now one unsubstantiated claim of him shedding a few tears in public and this is the reaction? No Hypo, the vast majority of people on here show more vitriol than support towards our players

 

I wasn't talking about on here, I was talking about the fans in general. Besides, most people on here say things that they would never bother saying in real life. It's a messageboard.

[saint_ed]

I can't be arsed to carry this argument on with you. You don't seem in touch with reality.

 

Actually I'm in agreement with Psycrow. All of us would do exactly the same in their position. Get on with your own lives instead of worrying what they are getting up to in theres. If they did have a fight with this kid (which I doubt even happened) then they will be punished.

 

It stinks of jealousy that the young players have the money to go and enjoy their youth in a way that many people never got the chance to do.

[SaintRobbie]

There's nothing wrong with DMG and BWP, or any of our inexperienced players, that a decent manager wouldnt be able to correct. But we dont have a MANAGER just someone who coaches.

 

It is called discipline and desire. Although for what its worth, I remember WGS kicking the players out of the bars in town to get more out of them.

 

But discipline and desire cant really be generated when you're taking your lead from an inanimate extension of your chairman - a confirmed loser - who has also been openly accused by some on this messgaeboard as having interesting recreational interests (dunno if its true, frankly not interested, but regardless it must undermine their confidence in Wotte).

 

Now Holloway... there's an alternative.

Edited 8 February, 2009 by SaintRobbie

[hypochondriac]

Go back and check the thread about us going into administration last week and many believed it to be true. We seem to be discussing these incidents as if they happened. We were going to see our best young players in January and that was believed...I could go on..

 

No it wasn't. People were giving their reaction assuming that the incident reported was true. Obviously if it turns out not to be then those feelings are invalid. Do you not understand that and do you honestly believe that people read the first post and thought "that's definite fact?" Don't be silly.

[Thedelldays]

so...did this actually happen..?

[hypochondriac]

I would urge people not to jump on the band wagon and think for themselves with regards to this rumour. I would doubt its true and no blame should be made until it is confirmed.

 

Sounds like someone sh!t stirring to me.

 

WHO IS BLAMING ANYONE? FFS people see things that don't exist.

[hypochondriac]

so...did this actually happen..?

 

Who knows? One thing I do know is that anyone who thinks that posters have read the original post, believe it unquestionably and then blame people is a moron.

[saint_stevo]

The bloke who got beaten up by BWP and DMG needs to have a look in the mirror, they look like they couldn't fight there way outa a paper bag.

 

I have heard similar though, DMG smacked the bloke after he called him a useless c*nt

[saint.tom.clancy]

Actually I'm in agreement with Psycrow. All of us would do exactly the same in their position. Get on with your own lives instead of worrying what they are getting up to in theres. If they did have a fight with this kid (which I doubt even happened) then they will be punished.

 

It stinks of jealousy that the young players have the money to go and enjoy their youth in a way that many people never got the chance to do.

 

TBH i think at the current crisis we are in, people are looking anywhere to vent their frustrations. Seeing players being ****y out on the town would be an ideal opportunity to vent this anger towards them, paticularly seeing as they are doing sh!t in the league atm.

[saint_ed]

Who knows? One thing I do know is that anyone who thinks that posters have read the original post, believe it unquestionably and then blame people is a moron.

 

The thing is hypo....there are plenty of brainless morons who take everything they read as gospel. It has been proved time and time again, and is already evidence of people doing that on this thread.

[saintjay77]

If it happened like the original poster (not sturomseysaint) said then its a disgrace but does anyone else think this sounds a bit like the guy is not whiter than white?

 

I mean when I was a kid I wound my bro's up all the time until they snapped and when dad came to shout my halo was back in place and I swore i did nothing to provoke them.

 

My 1st impression is that some drunk lad found it funny to have a dig at a couple of our players and they probably gave some back. If it escalated to some fisty cuffs I doubt there was an innocent party and all of them should have known better.

 

Christ if they wernt footy players would there be as much interest? It happens every night in and around most towns. Its one of the draw backs to the old alchipops. Everyone grows a pair and thinks they need to take on the world for some pretty odd reasons.

 

On top of all that it could still just be a load of donkey balls and some muppet has made it up in an attempt to make things worse for us. (was wondering how it could get much worse TBH)

 

Will wait to hear it in the press before I jump on any bandwagon me thinks.

[saint_ed]

If it happened like the original poster (not sturomseysaint) said then its a disgrace but does anyone else think this sounds a bit like the guy is not whiter than white?

 

I mean when I was a kid I wound my bro's up all the time until they snapped and when dad came to shout my halo was back in place and I swore i did nothing to provoke them.

 

My 1st impression is that some drunk lad found it funny to have a dig at a couple of our players and they probably gave some back. If it escalated to some fisty cuffs I doubt there was an innocent party and all of them should have known better.

 

Christ if they wernt footy players would there be as much interest? It happens every night in and around most towns. Its one of the draw backs to the old alchipops. Everyone grows a pair and thinks they need to take on the world for some pretty odd reasons.

 

On top of all that it could still just be a load of donkey balls and some muppet has made it up in an attempt to make things worse for us. (was wondering how it could get much worse TBH)

 

Will wait to hear it in the press before I jump on any bandwagon me thinks.

 

 

At least someone has the brain to consider the RUMOUR for what it is....

[Thedelldays]

I remember when beattie used to act like a **** in town...thing is, he got away with it really as he was the top english striker in the country at the time

 

DMG on the other hand.......lol

[washsaint]

If what Stu ha sposted is incorrect I hope he is held accountable. I'm sick to death of no marks on here spouting lies and slander as though they were fact.

 

I am surprised that many of you look in the mirror - you wouldn't like what you saw.

 

Pathetic, childish and does go to show that we have some (note the some) fans that are not what we need.

[exit2]

Like said above, I think it better to wait and see if anything comes of this to clarify it is true.

[Thedelldays]

Pathetic, childish and does go to show that we have some (note the some) fans that are not what we need.

but what fans do does not make a difference at all though...

[saintjay77]

No it wasn't. People were giving their reaction assuming that the incident reported was true. Obviously if it turns out not to be then those feelings are invalid. Do you not understand that and do you honestly believe that people read the first post and thought "that's definite fact?" Don't be silly.

 

trouble is with message boards and this one is no exception is that when things get repeated enough they become used as facts even when evidence against is there for all to see.

 

So the 1st post might not be believed but if enough people jump up and down saying its an outrage peoples feelings follow suit and before long there is an angry mob demanding change when half the people dont actually know if that change is either needed or worthwhile. facts are born out of rumours and they are hard to shift.

 

If there is an OS quote on Monday morning saying BWP and MCG have done nothing wrong and they dont know where this story is coming from how many from on here do you think will be shouting cover up and conspiricy?

[saint_stevo]

I remember when beattie used to act like a **** in town...thing is, he got away with it really as he was the top english striker in the country at the time

 

DMG on the other hand.......lol

 

I remember too, i was about 18 and in the queue for the casino, he walked up to the door, and asked if he could sit behind the counter to see on the camera's if any 'hot sl@gs' were inside he could try to impress with his money.

 

Moron

[hypochondriac]

The thing is hypo....there are plenty of brainless morons who take everything they read as gospel. It has been proved time and time again, and is already evidence of people doing that on this thread.

 

Where?

[Torbay Saint]

For what it is worth I met DMG out after the Wolves home league game. He was very approachable and highly critical of the team (including himself) particularly in relation to the Swansea away game. He was keeping a very low profile and seemed very level headed.

[Mr X]

Mods you need to change the thread title to "Have BWP and Mcgoldrick attacked a saints fan?" or "allegedly"

[hypochondriac]

The thing is hypo....there are plenty of brainless morons who take everything they read as gospel. It has been proved time and time again, and is already evidence of people doing that on this thread.

 

Just read the first page and I can't find any example of people believing everything they have been told. I reckon it's more a case of people inventing that so they can have a go at others.

[hypochondriac]

Mods you need to change the thread title to "Have BWP and Mcgoldrick attacked a saints fan?" or "allegedly"

 

If you read the first post then that is clear.

[Evil Monkey]

Just read the first page and I can't find any example of people believing everything they have been told. I reckon it's more a case of people inventing that so they can have a go at others.

 

Its the same when one of our players hits some good form (which is rare). A couple of posters then come out of the wood work proclaiming that they knew he would come good, and that every other Saints fan in the world had always slated the player. Its a way of making yourself look clever, by creating an opinion that never really existed, after it has already been proved wrong.

[Psycrow]

I remember when beattie used to act like a **** in town...thing is, he got away with it really as he was the top english striker in the country at the time

 

DMG on the other hand.......lol

 

So the level of the players ability dictates the situtation now? If he's a good enough player he can do what he wants and fans are wrong to approach him with any disdain? But if he's a poor player playing in a poor team fans have the right to abuse him if his actions aren't pure and wholesome?

 

bull****

 

Either players can live their lives normally without fear of being approached and abused by fans, or they can't.... it has to be the same rule for all of them

[Gorgiesaint]

I'm not going to comment on the apparent DMG & BWP situation, as it is just rumour at the moment.

 

However several people have commented that they might have had a few words with the players themselves had they seen them out larging it up. Others have been criticle of that action.

 

What I would comment on is that these players are supposed to be athletes. Ok so their game got postponed, but they are 2nd bottom of the league with a record (since WGS left) of not being the fittest group in the world compared to their peers. So who thought it was a good idea to even let them go out on the lash on Friday or Saturday or whenever, wouldn't some extra training so they now how to shoot or defend a corner have been a better idea?

Edited 8 February, 2009 by Gorgiesaint
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[THEVMAN]

I really cant believe some fans can take some of this ****e in at times, i have spoken to a few people and the Lallana incident for starters is total bollicks,the other thing is i was always told to do your slating at work once finished go and forget about it,that means slag them at St Marys but let them have a life as well.

[Gingeletiss]

I'm not going to comment on the apparent DMG & BWP situation, as it is just rumour at the moment.

 

However several people have commented that they might have had a few words with the players themselves had they seen them out larging it up. Others have been criticle of that action.

 

What I would comment on is that these players are supposed to be athletes. Ok so their game got postponed, but they are 2nd bottom of the league with a record (since WGS left) of not being the fittest group in the world compared to their peers. So who thought it was a good idea to even let them go out on the lash on Friday or Saturday or whenever, wouldn't some extra training so they now how to shoot or defend a corner have been a better idea?

 

Cor.......you'll get slated now. Questioning the drinking culture of this great country...............don't you know, that if you can't sink 10 pints a night, you're not a man.

[Weston Super Saint]

Actually I'm in agreement with Psycrow. All of us would do exactly the same in their position. Get on with your own lives instead of worrying what they are getting up to in theres. If they did have a fight with this kid (which I doubt even happened) then they will be punished.

 

It stinks of jealousy that the young players have the money to go and enjoy their youth in a way that many people never got the chance to do.

 

This week Jeremy Clarkson called Gordon Brown a one eyed Scottish idiot.

 

Does that now give Gordon Brown the right to go and smack Jeremy Clarkson in the face?

[Thedelldays]

no one has the right WSS

 

however, I have given someone a right whack before for gobbing off in my face....

[derry]

I'm not going to comment on the apparent DMG & BWP situation, as it is just rumour at the moment.

 

However several people have commented that they might have had a few words with the players themselves had they seen them out larging it up. Others have been criticle of that action.

 

What I would comment on is that these players are supposed to be athletes. Ok so their game got postponed, but they are 2nd bottom of the league with a record (since WGS left) of not being the fittest group in the world compared to their peers. So who thought it was a good idea to even let them go out on the lash on Friday or Saturday or whenever, wouldn't some extra training so they now how to shoot or defend a corner have been a better idea?

 

Unless they have a ruthless manager, most footballers don't subscribe to the dedicated regime of the athlete/swimmer/sportsmen.

[Weston Super Saint]

no one has the right WSS

 

however, I have given someone a right whack before for gobbing off in my face....

 

Why?

[Thedelldays]

Why?

because I had too much to drink.....not excusing it, just saying

 

If someone wants to get all personal in someones space then they should be big enough to take on on the chin....no excuse but there you go

[Gorgiesaint]

Unless they have a ruthless manager, most footballers don't subscribe to the dedicated regime of the athlete/swimmer/sportsmen.

 

You're right, it does take a strong manager to get a group of players moulded into athletes - but isn't that what the manager is paid to do?

 

It wouldn't have taken much to put on extra training on Saturday to compensate for the missing game - would the players then have gone out on the lash? Not sure I want the team having extra days off when they are in the predicament they are in.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I'm not going to comment on the apparent DMG & BWP situation, as it is just rumour at the moment.

 

However several people have commented that they might have had a few words with the players themselves had they seen them out larging it up. Others have been criticle of that action.

 

What I would comment on is that these players are supposed to be athletes. Ok so their game got postponed, but they are 2nd bottom of the league with a record (since WGS left) of not being the fittest group in the world compared to their peers. So who thought it was a good idea to even let them go out on the lash on Friday or Saturday or whenever, wouldn't some extra training so they now how to shoot or defend a corner have been a better idea?

 

I'm not being sarcastic when I say 'what a wonderful idea', it's more in wonderment that nobody contemplated it! Which really leads back to the way the players are 'managed' or rather the lack of it. Mention has been made of WGS 'kicking players out of bars'. Didn't Pearson also do that and thereby instill some discipline?

[Psycrow]

This week Jeremy Clarkson called Gordon Brown a one eyed Scottish idiot.

 

Does that now give Gordon Brown the right to go and smack Jeremy Clarkson in the face?

 

There is a world of difference between someone making a comment about another person on a television recording when the subject of their comment is no where near them, and may never even hear what was said, and going off in someone's face, screaming abus and vitriol directly at them and thinking they won't react.

[Fuengirola Saint]

This week Jeremy Clarkson called Gordon Brown a one eyed Scottish idiot.

 

Does that now give Gordon Brown the right to go and smack Jeremy Clarkson in the face?

 

Yes it does cos that Clarkson is complete kunt

[Glasgow_Saint]

I punch anyone that annoys me or says something i dont 100% agree with!