Giving stick to the players

[Papa Shango]

All the players bar none were out on the p1ss last night in in town, lashing it up without a care in the world. A few lads who live and breath this football club had some words and put them very much in place. Understandably they didn't hold back. Rightly or wrongly Lallana was reduced to tears.

 

Good

[aintforever]

Look - I feel desperately sorry for these boys, thrust into a man's world. It's a bizarre experiment and it's gone badly wrong.

 

But you know what - when I was a young dancer (performing before a paying audience I might add), if I made a mistake / fell over and heard groans and criticisms, well I just had to pick myself up and learn to try not to make the same mistake again. And be determined to improve. Not run off stage crying and turning up next time scared sh*tless.

 

And I DID learn and I DID improve. I also became wiser.

 

Different 'sport' but same scenario don't you agree?

 

But maybe some of our players are the type to run off stage scared sh*tless?

 

I which case booing and hurling abuse is not going to help them, no?

 

Maybe in the long run giving abuse will toughen them up, but the long run isn't important, the only thing that's important is getting 3 points at home each game.

[solentstars]

But maybe some of our players are the type to run off stage scared sh*tless?

 

I which case booing and hurling abuse is not going to help them, no?

 

Maybe in the long run giving abuse will toughen them up, but the long run isn't important, the only thing that's important is getting 3 points at home each game.

i agree i think its better to encourage them and support them to do better, i,ve seen dads abuse their kids playing in the mini-league and it did not help them one bit.

[harvey]

But maybe some of our players are the type to run off stage scared sh*tless?

 

I which case booing and hurling abuse is not going to help them, no?

 

Maybe in the long run giving abuse will toughen them up, but the long run isn't important, the only thing that's important is getting 3 points at home each game.

 

Maybe some of our players are in the wrong type of employment then ? :smt102

[aintforever]

Maybe some of our players are in the wrong type of employment then ? :smt102

 

You're right, some of our players shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. But the fact is they have been thrown in at the deep end when many of them are not near ready.

 

They shouldn't be in that situation but thanks to Lowe they are - do you think it encourages them to express themselves when every time something they try does not come off they are given vile abuse?

[harvey]

You're right, some of our players shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. But the fact is they have been thrown in at the deep end when many of them are not near ready.

 

They shouldn't be in that situation but thanks to Lowe they are - do you think it encourages them to express themselves when every time something they try does not come off they are given vile abuse?

 

Personally I've never given them any abuse at all, but it is quite obvious that some of them are not ready for the 1st team.........the people in charge know that & if they're prepared to put them in the firing line then so be it.

[Hamilton Saint]

Giving sticks to the players. Great idea. I hope the ref doesn't notice.

[chi saint]

Heres what I don't understand.

 

It's readily apparent that large numbers of posters on here don't enjoy attending matches anymore, they don't like the manager, the team and it's efforts, performance, nor even the choice of players choosen to represent the club.

 

They are upset at being taken for a ride in terms of paying excessive ticket prices, they HATE the owner and his board. They consider the club to know longer be there club as it was, in there view, so many years ago.

 

They feel the need to vent they're anger by abusing to a greater or lesser degree both the players and manager. Indeed recently it devolved in to fighting amongst thier supposed own fellow supporters.

 

They seem to have nothing positive to say but instead prpose protests wal outs and ona couple of occasions have suggested more direct action against those they consider largely responsible for the demise of this club!

 

So with all that in mind why for the life of me they don't tear up they're tickets and spend match days doing something more constructive and ultimately more satisfying than watching such dross.

 

Could it be they have nothing else in there lives and so find companionship with other similar minded ( I use that term loosely) individuals, perhaps a need to be a part of, or wanted by someone.

 

So another words if you don't like what you are seeing SOD OFF, go get a life, get marrried, get to school, what ever it is ... do something and stop being so boring. U know who you are u moaning irritating sad bunch of morons.

 

There I feel better....

[Eastcowzer]

Agree Ron. There's an idiot that sits several rows in front of me in the Kingsland South block 28 who is forever shouting abuse at DmcG. It's totally uncalled for.

 

Delmary: Perhaps the so-called 'idiot' in the Kingsland sees something you don't. i.e. That McGoldrick is floundering and out of his depth.

[Griffo]

Heres what I don't understand.

 

It's readily apparent that large numbers of posters on here don't enjoy attending matches anymore, they don't like the manager, the team and it's efforts, performance, nor even the choice of players choosen to represent the club.

 

They are upset at being taken for a ride in terms of paying excessive ticket prices, they HATE the owner and his board. They consider the club to know longer be there club as it was, in there view, so many years ago.

 

They feel the need to vent they're anger by abusing to a greater or lesser degree both the players and manager. Indeed recently it devolved in to fighting amongst thier supposed own fellow supporters.

 

They seem to have nothing positive to say but instead prpose protests wal outs and ona couple of occasions have suggested more direct action against those they consider largely responsible for the demise of this club!

 

So with all that in mind why for the life of me they don't tear up they're tickets and spend match days doing something more constructive and ultimately more satisfying than watching such dross.

 

Could it be they have nothing else in there lives and so find companionship with other similar minded ( I use that term loosely) individuals, perhaps a need to be a part of, or wanted by someone.

 

So another words if you don't like what you are seeing SOD OFF, go get a life, get marrried, get to school, what ever it is ... do something and stop being so boring. U know who you are u moaning irritating sad bunch of morons.

 

There I feel better....

 

I have had a season ticket for a number of years, and haven't missed more than 3 games, home or away, in any season for a long time. I am ****ed off to the maximum of what is happening at our club.

 

Something needs to be done, unless you want to see this club out of existence, or in the duldrums of League One and Two. I am never going to walk away, just because I am angry with what has going on. My father and other family members have supported this club through everything and I'm not just going to ****ing give up with it when it's going badly. However I am very, very disappointed with everything connected with the club at the moment, and I think something needs to be done.

 

and if you want people to **** off that just moan, or people that don't like where the club is going, the crowds will be down to about 5k.

[ottery st mary]

Heres what I don't understand.

 

It's readily apparent that large numbers of posters on here don't enjoy attending matches anymore, they don't like the manager, the team and it's efforts, performance, nor even the choice of players choosen to represent the club.

 

They are upset at being taken for a ride in terms of paying excessive ticket prices, they HATE the owner and his board. They consider the club to know longer be there club as it was, in there view, so many years ago.

 

They feel the need to vent they're anger by abusing to a greater or lesser degree both the players and manager. Indeed recently it devolved in to fighting amongst thier supposed own fellow supporters.

 

They seem to have nothing positive to say but instead prpose protests wal outs and ona couple of occasions have suggested more direct action against those they consider largely responsible for the demise of this club!

 

So with all that in mind why for the life of me they don't tear up they're tickets and spend match days doing something more constructive and ultimately more satisfying than watching such dross.

 

Could it be they have nothing else in there lives and so find companionship with other similar minded ( I use that term loosely) individuals, perhaps a need to be a part of, or wanted by someone.

 

So another words if you don't like what you are seeing SOD OFF, go get a life, get marrried, get to school, what ever it is ... do something and stop being so boring. U know who you are u moaning irritating sad bunch of morons.

 

There I feel better....

 

You sound like one of the pack. In fact I would see you as the leader of the pack you describe.

[Wes Tender]

Heres what I don't understand.

 

It's readily apparent that large numbers of posters on here don't enjoy attending matches anymore, they don't like the manager, the team and it's (its) efforts, performance, nor even the choice of players choosen to represent the club.

 

They are upset at being taken for a ride in terms of paying excessive ticket prices, they HATE the owner and his board. They consider the club to know (no) longer be there (their) club as it was, in there (their) view, so many years ago.

 

They feel the need to vent they're (their) anger by abusing to a greater or lesser degree both the players and manager. Indeed recently it devolved in to fighting amongst thier (their) supposed own fellow supporters.

 

They seem to have nothing positive to say but instead prpose (propose) protests wal (walk) outs and ona (on a) couple of occasions have suggested more direct action against those they consider largely responsible for the demise of this club!

 

So with all that in mind why for the life of me they don't tear up they're (their) tickets and spend match days doing something more constructive and ultimately more satisfying than watching such dross.

 

Could it be they have nothing else in there (their) lives and so find companionship with other similar minded ( I use that term loosely) individuals, perhaps a need to be a part of, or wanted by someone.

 

So another (in other) words if you don't like what you are seeing SOD OFF, go get a life, get marrried, get to school, what ever (whatever) it is ... do something and stop being so boring. U (you) know who you are, u (you)moaning irritating, sad bunch of morons.

 

There I feel better....

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you wrote your little tirade in a hurry and were therefore careless with your spelling and grammar. If not, then it is you who ought to go back to school.

 

Your thought processes are a little befuddled too. You acknowledge that large numbers of posters on here don't like what they are seeing or having to pay for and urge them to "sod off".

 

So I take it that you therefore agree that a mass boycott is the right way to rid the club of the charlatans?

[Psycrow]

Delmary: Perhaps the so-called 'idiot' in the Kingsland sees something you don't. i.e. That McGoldrick is floundering and out of his depth.

 

Even that being the case. What good will throwing abuse at him do? He's not picking the team, someone picks him every week. He's not going to say "I'm not playing boss, I'm not good enough", He's going to go out there and try his best.

[LeBenali]

Even that being the case. What good will throwing abuse at him do? He's not picking the team, someone picks him every week. He's not going to say "I'm not playing boss, I'm not good enough", He's going to go out there and try his best.

 

If that's him 'trying his best', then considering his work rate he'll never make it at this level.

[Psycrow]

If that's him 'trying his best', then considering his work rate he'll never make it at this level.

 

Fair enough... my point is that hurling abuse at him isn't going to improve him or the situation in general is it? Again I'll say, its not his fault he's being picked every week, he's not going to say "Actually boss, I'll sit this one out" when he's named in the starting line up

[um pahars]

So with all that in mind why for the life of me they don't tear up they're tickets and spend match days doing something more constructive and ultimately more satisfying than watching such dross.....

 

And one of our biggest problems is that many thousands have done just that under this failing regime.

 

We are now down to the hardcore of supporters who due to their loyalty, love and affinity for their Club would find it very difficult to turn their back on what they believe to be "their" Club.

 

There may come a time when even these ardent supporters give up, but I think many of them will fight to try and ensure "their" Club survives, and is not driven to the wall by people who are failing them.

 

You may be happy to sit and take whatever is dished up, and you are totally entitled to take that position. The other side of the coin is that many have just walked away, whilst many others are pushing for change. In a way, all three positions are valid, so please spare us the sanctimonious preaching.

[Tamesaint]

When my children were teenagers they wanted to be all grown up, as do most teenagers. Some of their friends' parents wrapped their children in cotton wool, protecting them from the nasty world outside. I never did. I told them that, if they wanted the perceived trappings of being grown up, they had to be able to deal with the crappy downside of being grown up too. It was their decision.

 

As a consequence, they learnt pretty quickly to deal with bullying, name-calling, sometimes unfair expectations etc. whereas many of the cotton-wool kids couldn't hack real life at all. My children rapidly learnt from their mistakes although the lessons were sometimes harsh.

 

If young adults are treated like adults they'll learn to act like adults. If they're mollycoddled they'll remain immature.

 

If our young boys were in any other walk of life, they'd probably get stick if they made mistakes and they'd learn from it. Think of life in the Forces, for example.

 

I'm not advocating racist or homophobic abuse, but I see no harm in fans expressing their opinions. If they're taking 'grown up' wages they must expect 'grown up' comments from the crowd.

 

So there endeth the lesson from a mother of three (well rounded) adults. I might add that my social worker and probation service friends support my approach.

 

 

You raise some interesting points. I do not know enough social workers / probation service people to be able to reply from a position of knowledge. However I do worry that we are now burning out our young stars. In expecting them to perform every week & take the criticism that they get, are we really doing the best for their long term development?

 

Interestingly, the first thing that Wenger did when he bought Walcott was to rest him for the rest of that season. He recognised that the mental and physical pressures that he had been exposed to at Southampton was probably retarding his development. I wonder whether the same is true now of our youngsters. Lallana for example has not seemed the player he was at the start of the season. I am sure that he could do with a rest and the expectations on him to be lowered but a rest is not what he will get under Rupert's mad strategy.

 

I would love to know what the young players think. Are they grateful for the chance to play in the first team .... or do they hate any criticism that they get and are they worried that they could suffer from burn out???

[SaintRobbie]

We all rant at players when they are not doing well but we must remember many of them are your players thrown into the deep end in a relegation battle.

 

I am told some of the abuse thrown at some of the young players on Tuesday was totally unacceptable. OK they know it is part and parcel of football but some of it was really over the top. IT DOES NOT HELP. They are trying their best and in some cases are working to orders.

 

Enough said.

 

Agreed. Wotte and Lowe on the other hand... enjoy.

[SFKA South Woodford]

Does anybody sit in the Northam?

 

I can fully understand the frustrations fans feel about players not performing.

 

For example, now we are playing two strikers, When McGoldrick has the ball Saganowski is in close support, the other way round McGoldrick is miles away.

 

Lallana doesn't like wide right, roams all over the place and looks at times that in his eight years at Saints he has learnt nothing about the game and the importance of width.

 

The manager picks teams that defy common sense, we have only one player on the right side that hits virtually all our crosses in from barely into the opponents half, we never get to the byeline on the right side and rarely on the left.

 

Players that are playing badly are not substituted, and better ones are, substitutions are not made, or better players are kept on the bench.

 

When Henderson went off we should have immediately gone wide but didn't until after half time. Lallana didn't even appreciate the importance of trying to pull the ten men wide and persistently came inside despite being told to play down the line.

 

One defender marking one forward v Sheff Wed, Nobody up when there are corners against us, better last match. Players never gambling or going on decoy runs, the ball crossed deep and nobody on the far post. I could go on and on.

 

All these things are bloody elementary FFS. Yet we see them time and time again, small wonder we are bottom of the league, nobody seems to be aware that these things are basic and win matches.

 

The supporters can see and appreciate all this but the so called professional players and coaches seem oblivious of these fundamentals. No wonder the frustration boils over.

 

The team also never attempt a near post corner routine, or getting a man making a run across the near post area on any crosses which come in. They cause teams problems defensively, yet the team never try either of them. Basic tactics, that could get us back into games, or break the stalemate in others. Also when we manage to get a toe hold in a match, the players never seem to want to press on, and always drop a notch and allow the other team back into the game.