St Landrew Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Seeing as I would probably welcome almost anyone with a bit of business clout to replace Lowe, Wilde and Askham, then Mandaric would be an obvious choice. He loves his football, he loves making clubs more successful than they were, and eventually he loves to sell them for more money than it has cost him to buy and run them. I have no problem with that. In fact, as a welcoming gift, I'd present him with a bust of the statue we made for him a few seasons back. Hope some of it is still left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMPR Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Just gonna throw this in. Lowe = 1 relegation Mandaric = 1 relegation, 1 promotion and 1 other likely promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Seeing as I would probably welcome almost anyone with a bit of business clout to replace Lowe, Wilde and Askham, then Mandaric would be an obvious choice. He loves his football, he loves making clubs more successful than they were, and eventually he loves to sell them for more money than it has cost him to buy and run them. I have no problem with that. In fact, as a welcoming gift, I'd present him with a bust of the statue we made for him a few seasons back. Hope some of it is still left. It's done some advert work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Sheesh, why do you lot punish yourselves like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Sheesh, why do you lot punish yourselves like this? So you can go Sheees and ask the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Sheesh, why do you lot punish yourselves like this? It's no punishment mate. The punishment is carryng on, day after day, with the present lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Seeing as I would probably welcome almost anyone with a bit of business clout to replace Lowe, Wilde and Askham, then Mandaric would be an obvious choice. He loves his football, he loves making clubs more successful than they were, and eventually he loves to sell them for more money than it has cost him to buy and run them. I have no problem with that. In fact, as a welcoming gift, I'd present him with a bust of the statue we made for him a few seasons back. Hope some of it is still left. Jeez, if he came in and turned our fortunes around, I'd lobby for it to be put back up alongside Ted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I made an off the cuff remark last night after someone said how we should get in that talented manager from Leicester...and it got me to thinking. If you could choose between having Milan Mandaric or Rupert Lowe as chairman of Saints who would you choose? Whilst for me it's a no brainer. I'm not so sure about others on here. A poll would be nice but i won't hold my breath. sounds like the choice between a rock and a hard place....No deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 the 14.5 would be added to the bit they had already.MM may well be able to absorb it, NP has indeed shown himself to be a good manaager for them and I have to hold my hand up at this moment in time to say he has done better than Iexpected , he has indeed got a fantastic squad for that league but still has to get it right to get the results. indeed,NP has done better than i thought,i wasnt a fan of his when he was here but i have to say in hindsight it probably was a mistake to let him go.at the time of his appointment it was a crucial crossroads in the history of sfc and i thought that his appointment was the wrong decision for the club,but he did keep us up,(just) and he has done a good job at leicester.lets see what he can really do next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Having dealt with both of them in the past, I can say they share common traits. But there are also some interesting differences between them. Both have large egos and would see themselves as being good businessmen, able to transfer their business acumen to football. It would appear at the moment that one is slightly more successful than the other. Make no mistake, Mandaric is a businessman first and foremost, but he makes sure he gets his pound of flesh in terms of fun and enjoyment on the way. At the heart of it, he is a football fan with a large bank account to indulge himself in his hobby. His ego also needs to be fed and he is never happier than when fans are calling his name. One reason why his relationship with Redknapp broke down was because he couldn't take the p****y fans chanting Redcrapp's his name from the CJD stand instead of his. He picked p****y up cheaply, and made a tidy profit on it, having had a real fun time getting them into the Prem. He'll do the same with Leicester. He picked them up relatively cheaply and he'll sell them for a tidy profit. The common denominator there is that both were private companies he was able to buy, without the hoop-la of gathering enough shares on the stock exchange to buy a plc. But he knows that in order to sell Leicester for a profit, he has to get them to where the money is, and that is the Premiership. He will, therefore, invest enough of his own money to do that. So the similarities are that both Lowe and Mandaric ultimately see football as a means of making money. One is prepared to invest a considerable amount of his own personal fortune to achieve his ends, the other is either unwilling or unable (I'm not getting involved in that argument) to do the same. Both have demonstrated hair trigger reactions when it comes to firing managers, but I would suggest that of the two, Mandaric has learned more from his mistakes. If he considers one of his managerial appointments a mistake, he'll correct it quickly by firing him. No messing, no 'mutual agreements' or 'gardening leave.' Draw a red line uner it and start again, even if a quickfire sacking means he has to swallow it as an admission he got it wrong. Both men also have a record of clearly being difficult to get on with, which has cost them successful managers. Strachan went because of..who knows? Redknapp left P****y first time because Mandaric appointed a director of football over him. Mandaric has learned from that and is now wise in the ways of English football. He hasn't been tempted to appoint a DoF since then, and certainly won't dare do it over Pearson's head. Having learned from the past, I think Mandaric is also more inclined now, to leave his managers to manage. His past mistakes have taught him to keep his hands off and let the manager get on with it, providing he is doing a good job. Lowe has never (at least publicly) seen himself as the owner of a football club, merely the steward of a plc. No such nonsense from Mandaric. He makes no bones about it that it is his club, his plaything to do what he likes with. Mandaric is also more media-savvy. He doesn't treat the media with that strange, bi-polar mixture of disdain, or as a pliant tool that can be used. He does use the media, but he is a more media-friendly person. Phone him, and he actually welcomes your call and interest or at least appears to). With Lowe, both parties are immediately on defense. I'm not that keen on either of them, to be honest, but you have to accept that modern football does attract and harbour this type of person. The bottom line is that you have to accept whichever one is best for your club, and the acid-test for that is what happens on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 At least Mandaric made mistakes and learned from them and did not repeat them...too many poor managerial appointments from Lowe...he never did learn did he Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 At least Mandaric made mistakes and learned from them and did not repeat them...too many poor managerial appointments from Lowe...he never did learn did he has he...the managers last season alone.. that is after rix, perrin, pushing redknapp away, claridge, holloway, reegation from the CCC umm, how long will pearson last next season..? what makes you think he has learnt his lessonn now because pearson has not been shown the door yet..? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I'm sure The Skates wished they had Rupert in charge instead of MM for all those years. I'm sure Leicester fans wish Rupert had bought their Club instead of MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I'm sure The Skates wished they had Rupert in charge instead of MM for all those years. I'm sure Leicester fans wish Rupert had bought their Club instead of MM. to be fair dont remember too many singing his name last may either... jesus christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 getting mad milan would be... "hi saints fans, meet your new chairman, just like the old one but speaks funny" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 to be fair dont remember too many singing his name last may either... jesus christ If we're 10 points clear in League 1 next season, I'll eat my hat.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 If we're 10 points clear in League 1 next season, I'll eat my hat.......... so, you are ignoring the fact that mad milans incompetance took them down in the first place...? brillliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 At least Mandaric made mistakes and learned from them and did not repeat them...too many poor managerial appointments from Lowe...he never did learn did he What a plank. Mandaric got through countless managers at Fratton - Ball, Claridge, Pulis and Rix before he got Arry in and still managed to lose him before going through a couple more managers. And he "learnt his lesson" at Leicester by getting through Kelly, Worthington, Allen, Megson, Taggart and Holloway in just over a season and relegating the club to league one. What a f uc king hero. Saints fans wetting themselves over someone who relegated his team to the lowest position they have ever been through chopping and changing the manager left right and centre. And he hasn't yet sacked his manager who has been at the top of the league all season. What a "brave" decision to stick with Pearson so far..... You really could not make this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What a plank. Mandaric got through countless managers at Fratton - Ball, Claridge, Pulis and Rix before he got Arry in and still managed to lose him before going through a couple more managers. And he "learnt his lesson" at Leicester by getting through Kelly, Worthington, Allen, Megson, Taggart and Holloway in just over a season and relegating the club to league one. What a f uc king hero. Saints fans wetting themselves over someone who relegated his team to the lowest position they have ever been through chopping and changing the manager left right and centre. And he hasn't yet sacked his manager who has been at the top of the league all season. What a "brave" decision to stick with Pearson so far..... You really could not make this up. agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 The crucial difference is that Milan is prepared to invest his own money, something Lowe has never done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 The crucial difference is that Milan is prepared to invest his own money, something Lowe has never done. but not investing his own money, you could argue lowe has achieved more..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 but not investing his own money, you could argue lowe has achieved more..? I would argue that their achievements are roughly similar. Thing is he left Portsmouth in a much better position than when he got them and I bet you he does the same with Leicester. Where on earth will Rupes leave us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I would argue that their achievements are roughly similar. Thing is he left Portsmouth in a much better position than when he got them and I bet you he does the same with Leicester. Where on earth will Rupes leave us? hmm have not seen manderic take a team to a cup final...or deliver a new stadium like he claimed was about to start I saw milan invest a smallish amount really into pompey when all the other clubs were ****ed in the football league thanks to ITV digital that allowed them to pay higher wages.....getting arry in was a coup but he went through some proper crap before hand...rix, claridge lol so, he got a team up, and left them mid table...and has a relegation to league 1 on his hands.. I would say they are both as bad as each other and have had their own successes and failures in a big way....but to suggest mad milan (who sent agent redknapp remember) is would be better is one of the most stupid things this forum has produced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 but not investing his own money, you could argue lowe has achieved more..? You need to make your mind up, you change your mind more often than Michael Wilde. So now you support Lowe. You couldn't make it up. Are you really a Saints fan or just a skate on a wind up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 You need to make your mind up, you change your mind more often than Michael Wilde. So now you support Lowe. You couldn't make it up. Are you really a Saints fan or just a skate on a wind up? are you thick what part of that says I support lowe..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 It's no punishment mate. The punishment is carryng on, day after day, with the present lot. With all due respect, what the toss has that got to do with Mandaric? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 are you thick what part of that says I support lowe..? :smt022 The trolls getting rattled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I would not want Mandaric here period.if the choice was a chairman who would invest like him then yes without a doubt.I expect everyone would wish for that but if you have no pride and are happy to feed from his bowl and prostitute yourselves then go ahead. How did he make his money? How did Lowe? Is Lowe the CO-OP of football chairmen? Are we an 'ethical' club?? Would I want a gun-runner running my club? Not ideally. But as least gun-runners are honest about how many people are killed as part of what they do. I wonder how many Arabs got their oil fair and square? How many Russians got their cash legit? How many bankers?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I made an off the cuff remark last night after someone said how we should get in that talented manager from Leicester...and it got me to thinking. If you could choose between having Milan Mandaric or Rupert Lowe as chairman of Saints who would you choose? Whilst for me it's a no brainer. I'm not so sure about others on here. A poll would be nice but i won't hold my breath. Mandaric every time. To be honest I was saying this even when I actually (misguidedly) supported Lowe as Chairman the year before relegation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 If the ONLY choice was between those two, the Mandaric would be my choice. Actually, if the choice were between Ru**rt and a trained Chimp, I would choose the Chimp! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 If the ONLY choice was between those two, the Mandaric would be my choice. Actually, if the choice were between Ru**rt and a trained Chimp, I would choose the Chimp! so would rupert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Mandaric took Pompey from being perenial div 1/Champinonship relegation fodder to being an established Prem side, I cant remember anyone else in recent years achieving that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 With all due respect, what the toss has that got to do with Mandaric? Probably nothing. But what the hell did your question have anything to do with this thread..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 If the ONLY choice was between those two, the Mandaric would be my choice. Actually, if the choice were between Ru**rt and a trained Chimp, I would choose the Chimp! What about a choice between Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde? Now that's like asking would you rather drown or burn to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Probably nothing. But what the hell did your question have anything to do with this thread..? My question was more to do with why everyone feels the need to torture themselves about Lowe, even comparing him to Mandaric who everyone would've cheerfully taken a dump on 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 What about a choice between Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde? Now that's like asking would you rather drown or burn to death. AFAIAC you can include uberfan Leon in that too. All the lot out, pronto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresRory Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Everytime Milan sacked a manager (and he clearly did it a lot) he provided the new incumbent with significant support to build their own squad. His mistake, he paid for it with inflated squads and 3 managers on the payroll at any one time. I can see why he wouldn't be a popular character in these parts but to rank him anywhere close to Lowe is frankly ridiculous. A few of you have quoted the £14.5 loss they made last season as a bad thing. Well if you look at your accounts your loss would have been greater had you not had a massive surplus on player dealings. Leicester were actually able to invest in players and take the loss because they had Mandaric. Would you have done so badly last season had you been able to keep Jones, Baird, Bale etc etc because there wouldn't have been the financial necessaity to sell those players under MadAndRich and if you had sold them a significant part would have been reinvested. Mandaric has also owned football clubs for a long time, he is a football man, George Best even gave his son the middle name Milan after he bought him to his American team. At best Lowe is a competent businessman but even that's up for debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Seeing as I would probably welcome almost anyone with a bit of business clout to replace Lowe, Wilde and Askham, then Mandaric would be an obvious choice. He loves his football, he loves making clubs more successful than they were, and eventually he loves to sell them for more money than it has cost him to buy and run them. I have no problem with that. In fact, as a welcoming gift, I'd present him with a bust of the statue we made for him a few seasons back. Hope some of it is still left. This was an interesting item, Andrew. Considering all the comments that went back and forth during his time, and the wrangle over .. ' arry, I wonder if he'd dare set foot on the car park. Anyway I think he can't be chairman of TWO clubs according to FA rules, but just in case he eventually turns out to be Saints saviour ....whatever happened to the first statue that was supposed to be Ted Bates...? I thought that looked more like Mandaric than Ted. Maybe it be could erected in .......(NO stupid idea, sorry ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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