wimbornesaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/02/04/nathan-dyer-returns-to-southampton-115875-21095899/
saintjay77 Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 not sure how he will be coming back unless there is an option to cancel from the swans? But if he has been doing so well for them why would they cancel? Agree with TDD though, if he comes back it should be at teh expense of Lallana.
Minsk Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 If you notice, the article doesn't say when he is coming back. I am pretty sure Swansea weren't too bothered aabout the bid being turned down as they know they have him until the end of the season anyway. In the summer they may be able to get him for a lot cheaper from the administrators; or all may be well and he may return to us for pre-season training; or someone else may come in with a better bid. But, I sincerely doubt he will be playing in a Saints shirt again this season.
Saint Bones Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 Technically they are right... Still **** poor reporting. Pity it isn't him coming back now. We need every option available to fight, claw, beg and steal as many points as possible.
VectisSaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 Hopefully not otherwise we may get docked points for breaking league rules...
OldNick Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 i thought there was clauses that you can recall loans if needed.Reading recalled one from us didnt they?
Window Cleaner Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 i thought there was clauses that you can recall loans if needed.Reading recalled one from us didnt they? Well it depends on the loan agreement doesn't it. Swansea seem convinced that Dyer going back to Saints before June isn't an actuality so they probably know best.
Window Cleaner Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 i thought there was clauses that you can recall loans if needed.Reading recalled one from us didnt they? I think that was a shorter term loan though. I think over 93 days the deal is binding under most circumstances.
southamptonfclegend Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 I thought he could be recalled after the first month of his loan...
The Godfather Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 If they've paid a fee he cannot be recalled.
stevegrant Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 Long-term loans do not have recall clauses in them, hence why we couldn't get Rasiak and/or John back, even if we (or Watford/Bristol City respectively) wanted to. I *think* short-term loans only have recall clauses in after the first 31 days, hence Pearce was recalled by Reading after that time. Quite a few one-month loans get extended by another month or two, and within that extra time period, the recall clause would be active.
Mr X Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/02/04/nathan-dyer-returns-to-southampton-115875-21095899/ 500k is a peace poor offer though! Do they think we're mugs
VectisSaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Posted 4 February, 2009 Once again, here are the rules for FL Standard Loans: 48 Standard and Emergency Loans 48.1 Standard Loans. Subject to the provisions of Regulation 47.3, Standard Loan transfers shall only be approved in accordance with following provisions:- 48.1.1 Subject to the proviso that the duration of a Standard Loan must be the time between two Registration Periods, Standard Loans can be for half a Season or a full Season. Any recall clause requiring the early termination of a Standard Loan can only be included in a full Season Standard Loan and this can only be activated during the second (January) Registration Period . 48.1.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 48.1.1, a Standard Loan of a goalkeeper (but not otherwise) may be subject to a recall clause exercisable at any time. Any recall may only be implemented in extenuating circumstances and with the consent of the Executive, such extenuating circumstances to be determined in the Executive's absolute discretion. A goalkeeper shall not be permitted to resume any Standard Loan following the exercise of a recall. 48.1.3 A Club can have a maximum of 4 Players under 23 and a further 4 Players over 23 on a Standard Loan during any Season. The deadline for determining a Player's age in this respect shall be 30 June prior to the Season in which the Standard Loan is intended to take place. 48.1.4 No more than 2 Players who are over 23 may join one Club from another Club on a Standard Loan in any Season. 48.1.5 Standard Loans which subsequently become permanent transfers shall not count against a Club's quota of such Standard Loans for that Season No recall is possible for a loan that is less than a full season. Full season loan recalls can only beeffected during the transfer window which has just closed. None of our loans are coming back before the end of the season. End of. http://www.griffinpark.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55637
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 Dyer coming back early ? - he doesn't want to come back at all : http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/sport/Flyer-Dyer-keen-land-Liberty/article-675762-detail/article.html Suites me fine , I don't rate him anyway .
eelpie Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 Dyer coming back early ? - he doesn't want to come back at all : http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/sport/Flyer-Dyer-keen-land-Liberty/article-675762-detail/article.html . "They said I'd be third or fourth choice so I jumped at the chance of coming to Swansea." "Now I'm doing well and they would like me back. You could say that's a bit unfair." We can't blame Dyer for wanting to follow up his success at Swansea. To be told that he was third or fourth choice by Saints is quite appalling. The management don't know how to make the most of our better talent. And we supporters don't know a good thing until it's gone. We deserve our fate.
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 " don't know a good thing until it's gone. We deserve our fate. BUT when dyer was going to sheff utd...this place has a fair few threads saying that people would drive him up their themselves... which way is it..?
Scummer Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 BUT when dyer was going to sheff utd...this place has a fair few threads saying that people would drive him up their themselves... which way is it..? Simple. Some people like him, some don't.
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 Simple. Some people like him, some don't. in sure that there was the general feeling that they did not want "the thieving little ****" near our club...?
eelpie Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 BUT when dyer was going to sheff utd...this place has a fair few threads saying that people would drive him up their themselves... which way is it..? Some don't know a skilful player from poor. We fans are worse judges than other clubs' fans.
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 Some don't know a skilful player from poor. We fans are worse judges than other clubs' fans. I would say that dyer was farking crud for us on the most part..and nearly all are creaming themselves over him for one goal....against pompey
eelpie Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 I would say that dyer was farking crud for us on the most part..and nearly all are creaming themselves over him for one goal....against pompey I have watched him play since his Academy days. He has undoubted talent. And weaknesses. Another club would have handled him better, and benefited from better performances. Poor teaching by SFC.
Thedelldays Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 I have watched him play since his Academy days. He has undoubted talent. And weaknesses. Another club would have handled him better, and benefited from better performances. Poor teaching by SFC. really..he was here when bale, surman, walcott and jones all flourished.. surman has gone backwards but he still flourished at one point as did the others...dyer on the other hand flattered to impress
krissyboy31 Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 really..he was here when bale, surman, walcott and jones all flourished.. surman has gone backwards but he still flourished at one point as did the others...dyer on the other hand flattered to impress I think all of our promising younger players have gone backwards since Prost left.
SaintRobbie Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 Long-term loans do not have recall clauses in them, hence why we couldn't get Rasiak and/or John back, even if we (or Watford/Bristol City respectively) wanted to. I *think* short-term loans only have recall clauses in after the first 31 days, hence Pearce was recalled by Reading after that time. Quite a few one-month loans get extended by another month or two, and within that extra time period, the recall clause would be active. Then tell me this Steve... Why didnt our Club management put them on short term loans just in case the Totally Crap Football experiment failed? Answer: INEPTITUDE.
eelpie Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 (edited) really..he was here when bale, surman, walcott and jones all flourished.. surman has gone backwards but he still flourished at one point as did the others...dyer on the other hand flattered to impress krissyboy31 is probably right. Generally, it seems to me, youth training from the Academy upwards seems to have lost momentum after Prost, Jennings and Elias left. It has become self-satisfied. Not having a focussed and respected manager hasn't helped. Strong direction, coaching and mentoring at SFC has been flaky to say the least. Discipline has been lax too. You are however completely wrong regarding Dyer, who is certainly not the finished product by far, but you clearly haven't seen him 'impress' when I have. He has potential yet to be fulfilled. Fans expect an instant finished product. It doesn't happen like that, as any college teacher will know. We have been spectacularly unsuccessful in guiding young players from the security of the Academy into the hurly burly of reserve and first team football lately. The players have lacked skilled, experienced mentors, on and off the pitch, which is vital. Swindon are doing this better. Notts Forest do this better. And so do a lot more. Edited 7 February, 2009 by eelpie
NickG Posted 6 February, 2009 Posted 6 February, 2009 Then tell me this Steve... Why didnt our Club management put them on short term loans just in case the Totally Crap Football experiment failed? Answer: INEPTITUDE. or fees
Saint Fan CaM Posted 7 February, 2009 Posted 7 February, 2009 Dyer coming back? Oh good, we can have two short @rses not getting to the byline, running into defenders before passing the ball, on BOTH sides of the park. Kinda like cr*p football in stereo. Nice.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 February, 2009 Posted 7 February, 2009 I think all of our promising younger players have gone backwards since Prost left. Don't forget we also lost Academy Manager Huw Jennings at much the same time . It would be valuable if someone familiar with the inner workings of the Academy could venture an opinion as to which was the greater loss - Prost or Jennings ?
OldNick Posted 7 February, 2009 Posted 7 February, 2009 Don't forget we also lost Academy Manager Huw Jennings at much the same time . It would be valuable if someone familiar with the inner workings of the Academy could venture an opinion as to which was the greater loss - Prost or Jennings ?Yes both left when RL was going to be ousted.They were not impressed in the way he was treated Im led to believe.
alpine_saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Posted 7 February, 2009 Yes both left when RL was going to be ousted.They were not impressed in the way he was treated Im led to believe. So the fact Prost was suffering from cancer had nothing to do with, of course One of your more disgraceful spins, methinks.........
jam Posted 7 February, 2009 Posted 7 February, 2009 Yes both left when RL was going to be ousted.They were not impressed in the way he was treated Im led to believe. I think you're confusing Prost with Malcolm Elias, who went to Liverpool (unless you have heard something that wasn't in the media). Elias made a lot of noise that he was leaving after the way Lowe was treated. I'm sure the fact that it was the opportunity to head up Liverpool's academy had nothing to do with it. However I'd be surprised if there wasn't a decent amount of loyalty towards Lowe from the academy staff at that time.
eelpie Posted 9 February, 2009 Posted 9 February, 2009 Dyer is continuing to thrive at Swansea, providing the cross for Scotland's second goal. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/7867299.stm It was fortunate that he wasn't able to play against us. But imo a pity that his detractors weren't able to see him in another team. They might be re-appraising their knee-jerk dismissal of his skills now. How we could do with him during the next weeks.
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