LVSaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I have this crazy idea that i think could work. At 2-45 everybody marchs away from the stadium to the park next to debenhams where they will bring a deck chair and watch a 11 aside game between our own Saints eleven versus 11 people in Preston shirts. We treat it like a normal match and we can even scream abuse at the lookalike board members that will be sat on the half way line. National Press thats for sure as its just unreal. Great idea, someone needs to plan this. Good luck on the away march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Maybe we should wear away shirts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Not me. Certainly support the principle of getting Lowe and Wilde out but I couldn't bring myself to humiliate the players in that way. Sorry, but I think it is a bad way to protest. What was excellent about the march on Saturday was that we had a good, vocal rant at Lowe and then got right behind the lads and really gave them excellent support. So while I support your motives, I don't support the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Not me. Certainly support the principle of getting Lowe and Wilde out but I couldn't bring myself to humiliate the players in that way. Sorry, but I think it is a bad way to protest. What was excellent about the march on Saturday was that we had a good, vocal rant at Lowe and then got right behind the lads and really gave them excellent support. So while I support your motives, I don't support the idea. Would you consider the third option in the poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Would you consider the third option in the poll? yes. I gave up buying a program a long time ago and don't even bother with the megastore. might still need my pint at half-time though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 yes. I gave up buying a program a long time ago and don't even bother with the megastore. might still need my pint at half-time though. So no then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 So no then. Look buddy, I hate Lowe as much as the next fan but you can't deny me my half-time pint. It helps take the edge off watching us lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prideofthesouth Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 No paid for my ticket, looked like there was a stay away protest last night anyway! Really helps the morale of the players to see more stewards than fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjinksie Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 something has to be done, every week i think it cant get any worse but it does. The quality of football is poor the games drag on and we dont look like scoring. not going to the preston game would be a blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy from saints Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 If the 'march out' destination was a kid friendly pub then that would possibly help swell numbers. I'd be more likely to go if my kids could go as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 If the 'march out' destination was a kid friendly pub then that would possibly help swell numbers. I'd be more likely to go if my kids could go as well. Stu doesn't approve of kids at the footy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 im pretty sure you cant tell someone they dont love the club because they arent doing a protest march ...thats quite rediculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 good idea like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Stu & Co. With a little bit of simple planning this thing could really take of. Me and my mates find it very difficult to leave the pub and would have to be almost physically forced out to join a March @ 13.15 at the Bargate. Your idea on the other hand would have a mass appeal to supporters/drinkers like me. I could still have a couple of pints then walk down to the Stadium @ 14.30, join you all then March back to an agreed venue. I do feel there is enough room for both marches on the same day though. It just needs a little communication between both organisers, i personally think doing both would appeal to a much broader fan base! Slightly off topic, love your avatar, have you had it approved by 19ranteensomedunce yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 . . . . Really helps the morale of the players to see more stewards than fans! The players are going to have to get used to the wide open spaces if this season pans out the way I fear it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Have just read about this on Facebook but the idea sounded crap on there. It sounds much better on here. I will support this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 OWTSGMI was formerly a funeral march song http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_the_Saints_Go_Marching_In Mass protests are great provided people take part. We should also consider other forms as well. Eg a small group of fans turn up and place wreaths at the front door of the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Have just read about this on Facebook but the idea sounded crap on there. It sounds much better on here. I will support this. To be honest, the organiser of the march set up an event and then started knocking it! I will start circulating a Facebook group once http://www.saintsgomarchingout.co.uk is live ( I am just waiting for the DNS servers to update ) The site is very basic at the moment, but have put a forum on there and a few other bits, I will do more work over the next couple of days. I don't expect many of the 'younger generation' to support the boycott, many are too young to have experienced similar like the Branfoot one, so maybe can't see how it will work. The younger fans also obviously have an unconditional love for the club and understandably don't want to waste their season ticket. As I said before, there is a protest for everyones tastes. We should all club together and do what we personally think is the most effective. Laying wreaths, coming dressed in black, not coming at all, pitch invasions, protesting during, before or after the game, marching to the game, marching away from the game or anything else, everyone has a right to protest and should be able to do as they wish. My personal preference is to boycott and that is what I am doing, I want to invite people to join me, I represent nobody but myself, I have shelled out some cash setting up a website etc and would like to invite people to join me. If you want to join me then great!!! If you don't then I wish you luck in whatever you find appropriate, I will still be there and for one day, walking away from my football club, even if I am on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 As a statement, marching to the stadium, putting down flowers and marching away again, is huge as it says the club is dead and we stand united as a collective fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 It makes me laugh how Stu was saying it was a waste of time the first demo and yet he is up for this one because its his. Whatever happens Im up for any demo as im sick of the constant ****e from my football club. Please try and work together with the other demo otherwise we could have two lame protests overall. Pilchards, the golden rule about criticism.... ' If you are going to criticise something then make sure you have a solution that in your opinion, is better / more effective ' I applaud anyone who protests in whatever way they feel fit, rather than simply bad mouth something, I have racked my brains and come up with what I believe, will be a more effective protest. The guys on the march TO the ground are more than welcome to come over to reception and join the walkaway too.... it's not invite only!!! From looking at the Facebook group, alot of the younger ones don't agree with a boycott, alot that are old enough to remember the last boycott do agree. The Preston game should be used as an event for every single person who wants rid of Lowe and Wilde to protest in their own way, whatever that may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Good idea Stu. I think its a great idea.Unfortunately i wont be around for a while,but will be back for any protest for the QPR game,if we still have a club. Anyway good luck mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I dont know if anyone has mentioned that perhaps the most effective forms of protesting is doing it step by step. So we start by the singing and then the marching (to the ground) to protest. Maybe the next step should be boycoting all purchases at the stadium, programme, beers, pies etc. At least we would actually get the point across whilst not missing out on what actually brings us all there. This would be more effective because I think we could convince a lot of people there to participate, we could hand out leaflets explaining the reasoning etc and hopefully (though admitedly we would never be told) the matchday takings would be significantly down. This would hit the board where it really hurts, in the finances and start to make their positions intenable. And, if that did not work then boycoting a atch would have to be next. Above all though, we reall need a leader in all of this. The only other comparable situation was the Branfoot Out campaign and like them or hate them I think SISA did an excellent job in initiating and coordinating the protests to a successful conclusion. We have to be constantly serious about a change, whether we are winning or losing but the protest has to be constant and publisised and to do that we need a team of leaders. You always do, its how this planet has evolved. Anyway, thats just what i reckon for waht its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I'm away for the Preston game anyway but would support anything like this, will join in anything for future home games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Sisa worked because that was the only option available back then, get people in a big room and tell them what the plan was. We now have TSW and FB to spread the word. If only the Echo could give it it's backing then the masses could be more informed. I believe we should get the protests coaligned, if everyone joined each other then the protests would become more impressive and influential (in the media's eye). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 We mentioned leaflets/cards to hold up in t'other thread, either inside stadium or on the march, similar to the "Lowe Out" jobbies we had a couple of years back. Colour Company are doing 5000 double sided colour A6 leaflets (basically the same size as the ones we had before) for £75. Bloody bargain, if I do say so myself. (And no, I don't work for them, or get anything from them!) If a few people are willing to chip in on cost, I think it's more than worthwhile. If we can get something effective knocked up over the next week, I can sort out getting them printed, and act as a distribution point for those who could volunteer to give 'em out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 (edited) See, now we are getting somewhere, everyone is chipping in with their own ideas.... there is room for them ALL Let's step up the gas against Preston and show Lowe and Wilde that we won't tolerate them any more. Oh.... and not a Trust Member or any other clique in site! :-) New Facebook Group - http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=48568893346&success#/event.php?eid=48568893346&ref=mf I think that link will work! No disrespect to the one set up. Edited 4 February, 2009 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Right sider Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 As far as leaflets go all you need to do is to provide a design and put it on a website (maybe your new one Stu) as a PDF. Then if everyone prints off 10 or 20 each these could be distributed and nobody is out of pocket too badly. Also distribution is a doodle as you just give out a few each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 We mentioned leaflets/cards to hold up in t'other thread, either inside stadium or on the march, similar to the "Lowe Out" jobbies we had a couple of years back. Colour Company are doing 5000 double sided colour A6 leaflets (basically the same size as the ones we had before) for £75. Bloody bargain, if I do say so myself. (And no, I don't work for them, or get anything from them!) If a few people are willing to chip in on cost, I think it's more than worthwhile. If we can get something effective knocked up over the next week, I can sort out getting them printed, and act as a distribution point for those who could volunteer to give 'em out. Leaflet distribution would work but not for the Preston game as there is no other game between now and then. Could maybe get some printed up advertising http://www.thesaintsgomarchingout.co.uk telling fans to check that site for up and coming protests??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 4 February, 2009 As far as leaflets go all you need to do is to provide a design and put it on a website (maybe your new one Stu) as a PDF. Then if everyone prints off 10 or 20 each these could be distributed and nobody is out of pocket too badly. Also distribution is a doodle as you just give out a few each. Good idea, it can be as simple as a JPG for the non computer savvy people, then it can simply be saved and printed. I am happy to host any initiatives, the website ( when the fookin DNS settings update ) can be used to host / promote any protest for the Preston game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 See, now we are getting somewhere, everyone is chipping in with their own ideas.... there is room for them ALL Let's step up the gas against Preston and show Lowe and Wilde that we won't tolerate them any more. Oh.... and not a Trust Member or any other clique in site! :-) New Facebook Group - http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=48568893346&success#/event.php?eid=48568893346&ref=mf I think that link will work! No disrespect to the one set up. If this is going to work this needs to be posted everywhere, it needs all saints forums to be posted, the echo, radio Hampshire, radio solent. Stu, you need to be clear and concise, out line exactly what time we're meeting and where, what the route is and what the venue is. You may need to contact the landlord of the pub etc. Maximum exposure and organisation. If you need help just ask mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2009 If this is going to work this needs to be posted everywhere, it needs all saints forums to be posted, the echo, radio Hampshire, radio solent. Stu, you need to be clear and concise, out line exactly what time we're meeting and where, what the route is and what the venue is. You may need to contact the landlord of the pub etc. Maximum exposure and organisation. If you need help just ask mate! Looking at the poll for the march 'to' the ground.... it looks like a higher percentage have definately voted themselves IN to this march and infact the 'definates' are similar to the Yes and Maybes put together on the last protest. 65% saying YES should mean a good turn out..... I should be able to get a bit more publicity, due to the more 'extreme' nature of this protest, will also be leafleting at Watford and Bristol, the website is done, but is taking an age to upload onto the server! Once the website is built there will be leaflets that can be printed off, I would ask anyone who can, to print some off and distribute them at Watford, I am working. :-( More will be distributed against Bristol and all the 'main' pubs will be leafleted prior to the Preston home game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Just a thought - if the idea gets significant support from season ticket holders wouldn't it be more of a spectacle, and harder to ignore, if they actually entered the stadium but then walked out en masse as soon as the game started? It would definitely make a very strong statement - and draw the attention of the nationals - if half the Northam just walked out with the cameras on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 One problem though Stu is that there is already a planned march from the bargate again. Wouldnt there be a danger of confusing people? Maybe we need to speak to them and get their plans changed. Why not start at the bargate then. Go to the ground and then go to where you have set up a place to listen to the game and continue our fight. I would be prepared to do both and I feel that a boycott has to happen sooner rather than later. Also if we could get the likes of Corbett, Crouch and/or Big Mac to attend with us they could outline their plans once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 (edited) Looking at the poll for the march 'to' the ground.... it looks like a higher percentage have definately voted themselves IN to this march and infact the 'definates' are similar to the Yes and Maybes put together on the last protest. 65% saying YES should mean a good turn out..... I should be able to get a bit more publicity, due to the more 'extreme' nature of this protest, will also be leafleting at Watford and Bristol, the website is done, but is taking an age to upload onto the server! Once the website is built there will be leaflets that can be printed off, I would ask anyone who can, to print some off and distribute them at Watford, I am working. :-( More will be distributed against Bristol and all the 'main' pubs will be leafleted prior to the Preston home game. Will be more than happy to distribute them at Watford on Saturday, and also to people taking part in the march from the Bargate to the stadium before the Preston game. Thinking about the walk out for the Preston game. We need to make sure people who have said they are comitted to walking out do so regarding of whether we have started the game well or not, also keeping those ST holders together would be good. We need to all enter the stadium together, or atleast those in the northam enter together, those in kingsland...etc Then as it strikes 5 minutes a few blasts of walk out if you want Lowe out followed by OWTSGM..OUT Edited 5 February, 2009 by saints_is_the_south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Its important not only that the media are told of whats going on, but that Barclays are fully aware that X thousand fans are staying away because of Askham, Lowe, Wilde. and that has cost the club £x's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I will be bringing my entire family and possibly the dogs to the Preston March and demo. Being broke I can't afford to pay for us all to get in so we will wait outside for the walkout to join in once again as we walk away. May I suggest a few words are offered telling the board that the next step is the full boycott. The cameras were at the last march and will presumably be more than willing to appear again to a larger turnout and extension of the same. We need to let the club know that we will not stop until we win. ITV, Sky and anyone else who turn up to record the event should be more than capable of relaying the fact to whoever listens. Let the club know that Preston is their last chance to avoid loss of income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Just a thought - if the idea gets significant support from season ticket holders wouldn't it be more of a spectacle, and harder to ignore, if they actually entered the stadium but then walked out en masse as soon as the game started? It would definitely make a very strong statement - and draw the attention of the nationals - if half the Northam just walked out with the cameras on them. Exactly, still finalising plans, but it seems the popular idea is for the marchers and everyone else to meet at reception ( i would look at marching from town at 2pm instead of earlier ) , people congregate outside reception until 2:55 At 2:55 the STH's enter the ground to take their seats. The non STH's remain outside reception. Once 5 minutes comes up on the scoreboard, it is the que for people to walk out, singing 'Oh when the Saints go Marching Out' ( or cheerio or anything else you want ) Meet up at reception, where we will then walk en mass to the venue, which I would hope to confirm by the end of next week, Walkabout seems a good idea, simply because their staff live on site, so can be on standby if the numbers are huge, and they are less likely to want a deposit to bring in extra staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2009 It is also important that you only click 'yes' on the poll if you are definately boycotting, click on 'i won't march but....' if you do not intend to boycott. One last thing, if you are going in to the ground, it needs to be a 'win, lose or draw' walkout, if we score an early goal, don't allow this to tempt you to stay, all this will say to the board is that we are fickle and will be back as soon as we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I'm going to the match, bringing a few mates down as well. Takes me about 2 hrs to get down to Southampton and already paid for tickets so don't want to miss the match. But will march there, and boycott all programmes, pints and food. I would also be up for staying in the concourses for the first 10 mins, this would only be effective if a lot of other people did it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Good luck Stu, Although in principle I don't agree with the idea of a wholesale boycott I think this kind of demonstration is exactly what's needed to demonstrate just what the fans think. Paying customers walking out is a far better way to illustrate just how dissatified we are than a boycott which could be dismissed as "well they probably wouldn't be coming to the match anyway". I hope you get the numbers that your effort and intention warrant. Lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I'm going to the match, bringing a few mates down as well. Takes me about 2 hrs to get down to Southampton and already paid for tickets so don't want to miss the match. But will march there, and boycott all programmes, pints and food. I would also be up for staying in the concourses for the first 10 mins, this would only be effective if a lot of other people did it too. If it's anything like the last one, trust me, you'd be better off marching with us to the pub. Not too late to get your money back on the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durleyfos Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 As a statement, marching to the stadium, putting down flowers and marching away again, is huge as it says the club is dead and we stand united as a collective fanbase. I like that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 It would be good if all the places and timing decisions are taken before the Watford game so information can be circulated there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 It would be good if all the places and timing decisions are taken before the Watford game so information can be circulated there. Yeah. Hopefully Stu has the 'leaflets' ready so i can print off a few hundred off by Saturday & hand them out at the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 The fans are to blame for our downfall ousting Lowe in the first place. These sort of ideas can only do one thing: run this club out of business a lot quicker. Could you deal with your conscious knowing that you are to blame for the the club you've loved and thousands before you out of business? :smt088 They don't teach people how to proof-read on these media/NUJ courses any more. Conscience NOT conscious. I suspect after all that pub time there will be a few unconscious though! Might have to use the bus and train for this one as I usually drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2009 It would be good if all the places and timing decisions are taken before the Watford game so information can be circulated there. Am in town tommorow, going to speak to the general manager of the Square, spoke to someone there today and sounded positive. In a perfect world I would like to use the Square, capacity is 1000, we can use upstairs as a family area. I have also proposed that I will give them a deposit to cover extra staff being laid on but it will be refunded if over a certain number attend ( probably about 100 ) The other option is Walkabout, so will speak to them tommorow as well, lastly Northam CLub. If anyone has any contacts of other venues then have a word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 5 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Yeah. Hopefully Stu has the 'leaflets' ready so i can print off a few hundred off by Saturday & hand them out at the game. Will knock something up tommorow on my return from the pubs if I know a definate venue. If I don't then some can still be knocked up with a 'tbc' venue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilza Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I am going to Watford on Saturday and am more than happy to print off leaflets and hand them out as we go along. We are getting the train up so will be up there quite early too, straight into a pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I am going to Watford on Saturday and am more than happy to print off leaflets and hand them out as we go along. We are getting the train up so will be up there quite early too, straight into a pub! I'll be on the 8am train with 3 others with plenty of leaflets, will be good to see other fans handing them out aswell! If you're willing to hand them out too maybe we could meet in the same pub & get them going round there first? Our first stop is the Moon Under the Water on the high street for brekkie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archstanton Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Am in town tommorow, going to speak to the general manager of the Square, spoke to someone there today and sounded positive. . Not knocking the sentiments behind the march, but there is some irony in marching from one place that sells a over priced sub standard shoddy product run by greedy bastards to a pub that does exactly the same. Northam club is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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