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And hes not even turning up anymore to see the fruits of his labour......

 

FFS he must have been there tonight? No?

 

Apparently not.

 

couldn't be sure but didn't see Lowe, Wilde or Cowen

 

Lowe was definitely there, I assure you.

 

Surprisingly, he looked genuinely concerned at the final whistle too.

 

No Wilde however.

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I am getting the impression that Lowe is still picking the team ie not letting the likes of Euell start because it does not fit in with the pre-season boast of going with the youngsters. Has Wotte got a free hand? Is Lowe's pledge to McGoldrick that "he is our centre-forward this season" coming back to haunt him? So many questions but here is a fact - one win in 16 home games - and even against 10 men we still can't muster a point.

 

I could live (just about) with Lowe running this club as long as he kept his nose out of football matters but I cannot stand him dictating who should be eligible for selection and who shouldn't be. As usual with Lowe it is all down to ego, politics and self-justification.

 

TBH Duncan, I can see why this perseption exists, but we dont really have any evidence? I think Wotte, is simply also struggling with this side in this league... It may be that someone like Euell is on a big appearance bonus, but this should now not be stopping the use of experience to try and halt this slide to oblivion.

 

You know me, and where I stand, but I will be the first to say to Lowe, IF ITS TRUE that he is placing pressure on Wotte re team selection, Its got to STOP now. Now is not the time for hanging on to pride because he has the youth strategy and does not want to give it up... I would NOT see it as a failure of the system totally by getting some more experience in the side now to keep us up... we would still have given the kids a great deal of experience this season to build on in the next, so swallow your feckin pride and do whatever it takes to keep us in this division.... I dont think Duncan I could say fairer than that.

 

I have as you know always tried to saty in the middle ground, to try and understand both sides of the argument and to be as fair and reasonable as I can.... so Rupert if you are listening, please for the love of this club, recognise this is not some mindless ranting by the 'lunatic fringe' but a genuine desire to see you act in what is OBVIOULSY in the best interests of this club - the freedom to choose a side wityh more experience to finish the season on the up....

 

Alternatively, it could also be that Wotte is also of the believe in the system and wont budge.... which if anything is also more worrying.

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TBH Duncan, I can see why this perseption exists, but we dont really have any evidence? I think Wotte, is simply also struggling with this side in this league... It may be that someone like Euell is on a big appearance bonus, but this should now not be stopping the use of experience to try and halt this slide to oblivion.

 

You know me, and where I stand, but I will be the first to say to Lowe, IF ITS TRUE that he is placing pressure on Wotte re team selection, Its got to STOP now. Now is not the time for hanging on to pride because he has the youth strategy and does not want to give it up... I would NOT see it as a failure of the system totally by getting some more experience in the side now to keep us up... we would still have given the kids a great deal of experience this season to build on in the next, so swallow your feckin pride and do whatever it takes to keep us in this division.... I dont think Duncan I could say fairer than that.

 

I have as you know always tried to saty in the middle ground, to try and understand both sides of the argument and to be as fair and reasonable as I can.... so Rupert if you are listening, please for the love of this club, recognise this is not some mindless ranting by the 'lunatic fringe' but a genuine desire to see you act in what is OBVIOULSY in the best interests of this club - the freedom to choose a side wityh more experience to finish the season on the up....

 

Alternatively, it could also be that Wotte is also of the believe in the system and wont budge.... which if anything is also more worrying.

 

I am basing my evidence on things Ron was told ie McGoldrick was informed by Lowe last summer he would be our nos 1 choice for centre-forward, the quote Skacel came out with that Lowe had told him he wouldn't be picked and an interview Mark Dennis conducted with Wotte and JP in which the pair admitted Lowe had an influence in team selection.

 

Not cast iron but nonetheless a worry.

 

I am also told by many he rarely goes to SMS but does spend 2 days a week at Staplewood.

 

Like I said Frank - if we are to put up with him as PLC (and accept he has talents in that direction) I wish he would leave the selection of players down to the man who eventually carries the can ie the head coach.

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Wasn't Euell seen as a total donkey by TSW not so long ago? Wasn't the perceivd wisdom here to play the kids because they couldn't do any worse than the journeymen like Euell?

 

Whoever picks the team, whether it is Wotte, Lowe or Steve Godwin's nephew, there are 11 people out on the pitch who earn their money by playing professional football and have to be held to account.

 

Whoever picks the team, if they lose and are doing badly various people on here will say it is because we are picking various wrong players.

 

Even when we were in the frame for the play offs there were still arguements about why Wright and Davis were playing. I don't recall anyone saying that Lowe picked the team then.

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I am getting the impression that Lowe is still picking the team ie not letting the likes of Euell start because it does not fit in with the pre-season boast of going with the youngsters. Has Wotte got a free hand? Is Lowe's pledge to McGoldrick that "he is our centre-forward this season" coming back to haunt him? So many questions but here is a fact - one win in 16 home games - and even against 10 men we still can't muster a point.

 

I could live (just about) with Lowe running this club as long as he kept his nose out of football matters but I cannot stand him dictating who should be eligible for selection and who shouldn't be. As usual with Lowe it is all down to ego, politics and self-justification.

 

Have you any evidence of this as opposed to an "impression". I think it fair to beat Lowe with what he has actually done - but not on "impressions".

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I am basing my evidence on things Ron was told ie McGoldrick was informed by Lowe last summer he would be our nos 1 choice for centre-forward, the quote Skacel came out with that Lowe had told him he wouldn't be picked and an interview Mark Dennis conducted with Wotte and JP in which the pair admitted Lowe had an influence in team selection.

 

Not cast iron but nonetheless a worry.

 

I am also told by many he rarely goes to SMS but does spend 2 days a week at Staplewood.

 

Like I said Frank - if we are to put up with him as PLC (and accept he has talents in that direction) I wish he would leave the selection of players down to the man who eventually carries the can ie the head coach.

 

It may well be true that Lowe said to DMcG that 'he was the striker this season' - but in what context Duncan? It could just as easily have been said as a motivator, afterall DmcG had delivered in teh youth and reserves but failed to make the step up and maybe needed a confidence boost?

 

I am not saying its that way round, but merely wish to point out how these things COULD be taken completely out of context - yet become FACT so easily when entering the fan gossip world.

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couldn't be sure but didn't see Lowe, Wilde or Cowen

 

lord duckhunter was there tonight

 

Lowe was definitely there, I assure you.

 

Surprisingly, he looked genuinely concerned at the final whistle too.

 

No Wilde however.

 

 

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Not such a good picture this time - four members of Hampshire's finest were on patrol in front of the director's box for the whole of the match. (money well spent I would say - NOT!)

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I could understand Lowe's involvement in team selection if the asset sales referred to in the latest AR are the young players as, if that is the survival strategy, I'd expect him to ensure that they are kept in the shop window. The trouble is it doesn't seem to be working as the players are either not good enough, the league is too physical or they're too inexperienced to take the pressure. Regardless, Lowe now looks a busted flush and a loss on Saturday would bring things to a head.

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I may well be wrong about this and could well be due to the tyranny of distance and not able to access the site from time to time. I was or am under the impression that Lowe regards himself as DIrector of Football, if this is correct it says all that needs to be said about the man's self opiniated view of himself. I'm not sure if this is official or a figment of my imagination. However, I find the conduct of the various officials who have been exposed to Lowe's 'vaingloriousness' has been extremely puzzling, and yes, have for a long time thought his input affected managers certainly as far back as Harry. I also stated when he was deposed(?), that his non severance of ties was like a miasma of sh1t hanging over the club. I think this has proved to be a correct observation.

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Have you any evidence of this as opposed to an "impression". I think it fair to beat Lowe with what he has actually done - but not on "impressions".

 

Quite right. You wouldn't convict a bloke of shoplifting because you thought he might have stolen some razor blades, it has to be proved beyond doubt.

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Not such a good picture this time - four members of Hampshire's finest were on patrol in front of the director's box for the whole of the match. (money well spent I would say - NOT!)

I have never noticed the Leon and Lawrie box before. Why do they need to have their names on it like that, sounds like an old music hall act.

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I am getting the impression that Lowe is still picking the team ie not letting the likes of Euell start because it does not fit in with the pre-season boast of going with the youngsters. Has Wotte got a free hand? Is Lowe's pledge to McGoldrick that "he is our centre-forward this season" coming back to haunt him? So many questions but here is a fact - one win in 16 home games - and even against 10 men we still can't muster a point.

 

I could live (just about) with Lowe running this club as long as he kept his nose out of football matters but I cannot stand him dictating who should be eligible for selection and who shouldn't be. As usual with Lowe it is all down to ego, politics and self-justification.

 

 

Answers .. YES, Lowe is still influencing Team Selection, YES, Lowe still believes in his "untried at CCC level " Youth policy, YES, Lowe still thinks McGoldrick is a Centre Forward ( he has NEVER been a CF )

 

PLUS of course, he has been proven to be a Krap Businessman ... Currently, Rasiak, John and Dyer are out on loan, yet they are ALL provrn Goalscorers, something we have lacked all season

 

He alledgedly did that to "save money" .... but exactly WHAT has that meant ??

 

It has meant a (circa) 5000 drop in Home attendances. Now, correct me if I am wrong, but :-

 

5000 x (say) £20 per head = £100000 per Match x 23 Matches = £2.3M

 

That is £2.3M less Revenue NOT coming into St Mary's IMHO, more than enough to pay for a GOALSCORER

 

GOALS = WINS = SUCCESS = HIGHER ATTENDANCES = MORE REVENUE

 

At the moment, the opposite is the case. WHY ??? IMHO, a combination of poor results plus THE LOWE FACTOR. Sacking Pearson, installing the Dutch (untried) Duo, insisting that we play all youngsters by getting rid of EXPERIENCED Pros, Then SACKING Poortvliet ( he never resigned), and leaving Wotte to battle on with almost exactly what Poortvliet had.

 

Current Situation ??? We are now firmly entrenched in the bottom three, and it is no use saying it is a false position. All Teams say that

 

BUT THE LEAGUE TABLE DOES NOT LIE

 

Well done Mr Lowe, Businessman extroadinaire, you have nearly achieved your objective of destroying Saints

 

And, where are you Judas Wilde ??? I hope you are very happy now

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Leon and Lawrie - just the response to Ex-Directory from last year - oh the games these people play....sigh

 

i missed that, what was it?

 

When Michael Wilde and Leon Crouch called the egm and effectively got rid of old board, Askam, Richards and the rest of the lavender hill mob bought an executive box for the season. Just as "Leon & Lawrie" is over their box, the lavender hill mob had "Ex-Directory" over theirs.

 

HTH.

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When Michael Wilde and Leon Crouch called the egm and effectively got rid of old board, Askam, Richards and the rest of the lavender hill mob bought an executive box for the season. Just as "Leon & Lawrie" is over their box, the lavender hill mob had "Ex-Directory" over theirs.

 

HTH.

 

I'd like to make the Lavender Hill lot just "ex-SFC" actually. Lavender is an interesting association as there is nothing fragrant about them either.

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When Michael Wilde and Leon Crouch called the egm and effectively got rid of old board, Askam, Richards and the rest of the lavender hill mob bought an executive box for the season. Just as "Leon & Lawrie" is over their box, the lavender hill mob had "Ex-Directory" over theirs.

 

HTH.

thanks. My god it just shows how petty they all are and the EGO trip they need.
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I am getting the impression that Lowe is still picking the team ie not letting the likes of Euell start because it does not fit in with the pre-season boast of going with the youngsters. Has Wotte got a free hand? Is Lowe's pledge to McGoldrick that "he is our centre-forward this season" coming back to haunt him? So many questions but here is a fact - one win in 16 home games - and even against 10 men we still can't muster a point.

 

I could live (just about) with Lowe running this club as long as he kept his nose out of football matters but I cannot stand him dictating who should be eligible for selection and who shouldn't be. As usual with Lowe it is all down to ego, politics and self-justification.

 

You could argue until you're blue in the face Duncan but what's the point? Lowe needs throwing over the Itchen Bridge, along with Askham, Cowen, Richards and someone should track down Hone and Dulieu and cast them off too!! (DISCLAIMER - I clearly don't condone murder and this is a purely puerile jibe at our hugely incompetent management and shareholders! LOL)

 

We're dead and buried. RIP SFC. Killed by an egotistical bully who knows nothing about football and has no respect for honest, hard working fans...and football in general. He does not understand the football business whatsoever and he has totally side-stepped the conventional, tried and tested approach to football by employing a strategy of pure, unadulterated lunacy (in the image of his own, self-justified and wildly delusional, narcissistic projection). He only seems to respect his tory boy mates and/or money and he has no place in football...or Southampton. Please leave and never return you ridiculously arrogant and unpleasant little man.

 

Arrogance is Rupert Lowe and arrogance has killed our once exciting club. WE need money (something he or his questionable associates will never part with), We need competent management (*cough*) and WE need passion and a board of football fans who have the club's best interests at heart. Until we have these key factors in place, we will never progress.

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TBF you have no idea that's the case. Oh noes! Someone has used their names on a box! Does it matter?
It doesnt matter ,but does it say something about both groups.If i bought a box i wouldnt be blazing my name across it unless it was for advertising sake for my business.
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.If i bought a box i wouldnt be blazing my name across it unless it was for advertising sake for my business.

 

It is there in the public medium not to promote sales as you would your company or product but to ensure all are aware of their presence at SFC, as you were not aware they clearly have not got their message across to all, its a bolllox statement thats all, no different to the ex directors.

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I am getting the impression that Lowe is still picking the team ie not letting the likes of Euell start because it does not fit in with the pre-season boast of going with the youngsters.

 

I am getting the impression that Crouch is still picking which bits of rumour and gossip he'd like to have spread amongst Saints fans. And I'm very impressed at Rupert running the team given the outrage on here that he was out of the country.

 

Has Wotte got a free hand?

 

Well he's changed the formation, criticised JP's lack of adaptability, brought back Wotton, signed another centre-half and he stands on the touch-line shouting at the players during the match. I'm going out on a limb here, but my answer to that one would be "yes".

 

I wonder whether Pearson had a free-hand after Lawrie's son brought him into the club? Given Lawrie spent so much time down the training ground after he arrived you'd think it unlikely, no? Objectivity anyone?

 

even against 10 men we still can't muster a point.

 

I expect Swansea supporters are busy organising demonstrations and demanding changes at board level following them "failing to muster 3 points against 10 men when already in front, against the worst home team in the league". Or maybe, just maybe, they don't have a fan-base full of drama-queens and revolutionaries?

 

I could live (just about) with Lowe running this club as long as he kept his nose out of football matters but I cannot stand him dictating who should be eligible for selection and who shouldn't be. As usual with Lowe it is all down to ego, politics and self-justification.

 

I agree that this post is about ego, politics and self-justification, but I'm not sure it's about Lowe! I really do question the lack of objectivity and motivation for some of the posts in the last couple of months... even if someone seriously thought a change at boardroom level would affect anything (and there are 6 million reasons why not for starters), how the hell can any of this be in the club's interest *now*? It's not. The transfer window has closed, we are where we are now. We have 15 games left to save ourselves - it's a shame we appear to be running out of supporters who want to cheer the team on, but prefer to play political football. By all means spread the rumours and lies in May, have fun holding little rallies in June, but why not concentrate efforts on keeping the club in business - if we go down, it's administration, and not the kind of trivial inconvenience some so-called fans on here think it will entail.

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I am getting the impression that Crouch is still picking which bits of rumour and gossip he'd like to have spread amongst Saints fans. And I'm very impressed at Rupert running the team given the outrage on here that he was out of the country.

 

 

 

Well he's changed the formation, criticised JP's lack of adaptability, brought back Wotton, signed another centre-half and he stands on the touch-line shouting at the players during the match. I'm going out on a limb here, but my answer to that one would be "yes".

 

I wonder whether Pearson had a free-hand after Lawrie's son brought him into the club? Given Lawrie spent so much time down the training ground after he arrived you'd think it unlikely, no? Objectivity anyone?

 

 

 

I expect Swansea supporters are busy organising demonstrations and demanding changes at board level following them "failing to muster 3 points against 10 men when already in front, against the worst home team in the league". Or maybe, just maybe, they don't have a fan-base full of drama-queens and revolutionaries?

 

 

 

I agree that this post is about ego, politics and self-justification, but I'm not sure it's about Lowe! I really do question the lack of objectivity and motivation for some of the posts in the last couple of months... even if someone seriously thought a change at boardroom level would affect anything (and there are 6 million reasons why not for starters), how the hell can any of this be in the club's interest *now*? It's not. The transfer window has closed, we are where we are now. We have 15 games left to save ourselves - it's a shame we appear to be running out of supporters who want to cheer the team on, but prefer to play political football. By all means spread the rumours and lies in May, have fun holding little rallies in June, but why not concentrate efforts on keeping the club in business - if we go down, it's administration, and not the kind of trivial inconvenience some so-called fans on here think it will entail.

 

I'd forgotten how utterly arrogant and dislikeable you really are.

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I am getting the impression that Crouch is still picking which bits of rumour and gossip he'd like to have spread amongst Saints fans. And I'm very impressed at Rupert running the team given the outrage on here that he was out of the country.

 

 

 

Well he's changed the formation, criticised JP's lack of adaptability, brought back Wotton, signed another centre-half and he stands on the touch-line shouting at the players during the match. I'm going out on a limb here, but my answer to that one would be "yes".

 

I wonder whether Pearson had a free-hand after Lawrie's son brought him into the club? Given Lawrie spent so much time down the training ground after he arrived you'd think it unlikely, no? Objectivity anyone?

 

 

 

I expect Swansea supporters are busy organising demonstrations and demanding changes at board level following them "failing to muster 3 points against 10 men when already in front, against the worst home team in the league". Or maybe, just maybe, they don't have a fan-base full of drama-queens and revolutionaries?

 

 

 

I agree that this post is about ego, politics and self-justification, but I'm not sure it's about Lowe! I really do question the lack of objectivity and motivation for some of the posts in the last couple of months... even if someone seriously thought a change at boardroom level would affect anything (and there are 6 million reasons why not for starters), how the hell can any of this be in the club's interest *now*? It's not. The transfer window has closed, we are where we are now. We have 15 games left to save ourselves - it's a shame we appear to be running out of supporters who want to cheer the team on, but prefer to play political football. By all means spread the rumours and lies in May, have fun holding little rallies in June, but why not concentrate efforts on keeping the club in business - if we go down, it's administration, and not the kind of trivial inconvenience some so-called fans on here think it will entail.

i think your post sums it all up ,not that the negative posters will care.

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I am getting the impression that Crouch is still picking which bits of rumour and gossip he'd like to have spread amongst Saints fans. And I'm very impressed at Rupert running the team given the outrage on here that he was out of the country.

 

 

 

Well he's changed the formation, criticised JP's lack of adaptability, brought back Wotton, signed another centre-half and he stands on the touch-line shouting at the players during the match. I'm going out on a limb here, but my answer to that one would be "yes".

 

I wonder whether Pearson had a free-hand after Lawrie's son brought him into the club? Given Lawrie spent so much time down the training ground after he arrived you'd think it unlikely, no? Objectivity anyone?

 

 

 

I expect Swansea supporters are busy organising demonstrations and demanding changes at board level following them "failing to muster 3 points against 10 men when already in front, against the worst home team in the league". Or maybe, just maybe, they don't have a fan-base full of drama-queens and revolutionaries?

 

 

 

I agree that this post is about ego, politics and self-justification, but I'm not sure it's about Lowe! I really do question the lack of objectivity and motivation for some of the posts in the last couple of months... even if someone seriously thought a change at boardroom level would affect anything (and there are 6 million reasons why not for starters), how the hell can any of this be in the club's interest *now*? It's not. The transfer window has closed, we are where we are now. We have 15 games left to save ourselves - it's a shame we appear to be running out of supporters who want to cheer the team on, but prefer to play political football. By all means spread the rumours and lies in May, have fun holding little rallies in June, but why not concentrate efforts on keeping the club in business - if we go down, it's administration, and not the kind of trivial inconvenience some so-called fans on here think it will entail.

 

You seem to take everything I say about Lowe so personally, Mark?

Just because my view does not tally with yours there is no need to be spiteful with your replies. You really are no better than some of the people on this forum you deem not worthy.

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You seem to take everything I say about Lowe so personally, Mark?

Just because my view does not tally with yours there is no need to be spiteful with your replies. You really are no better than some of the people on this forum you deem not worthy.

 

Maybe he's lost loads of money on his SLH shares and is shooting the messenger, Dunc...

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I wonder whether Pearson had a free-hand after Lawrie's son brought him into the club? Given Lawrie spent so much time down the training ground after he arrived you'd think it unlikely, no? Objectivity anyone?

 

 

I wonder who is advising Pearson now ? Surely he can't be that good on his own ?

So do you think this Dutch experiment was worth the risk ?

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You seem to take everything I say about Lowe so personally, Mark?

Just because my view does not tally with yours there is no need to be spiteful with your replies. You really are no better than some of the people on this forum you deem not worthy.

 

To be fair Duncan, looking at this from the outside, its actually quite and interesting 'Response' - if a little agressively put. I would not say its spiteful, but then I guess its perhaps different if aimed directly at you, but its hard to sometimes criticise so much when you look at some verbals aimed personally from some posters not too far away...

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