Charlie Wayman Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 This was the biggest load of sh*te it has ever been my misfortune to watch. Wotte is just as big a t*sser as Poortvliet when it comes to knowing anything about English football. 'Hit & Hope' long balls up the channels, what the f*** is that all about. Suddenly we have gone from total football to TOTAL CRAP. Is it too late to get rid of Wotte? We've no chance of staying up so we might as well prepare for next year with a totally new system and set-up. I ain't watching any more of this b*ll***s... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 you are correct..i just went from the dates on the OS reports.. So, not only did you misread them, but you missed the bit that stated that the team was prepared for the Plymouth match by Dodd and Gorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Ignoring what happened in the last 5 minutes, I thought we were pretty darned average last night. We have gone from a team that used to be able to pass the ball to one that launches long balls down field. We don't seem to have any creative spark. Sure, we might have Wotton who runs around and breaks up some play, but he can't do anything with the ball. This team wasn't that far off being a good football side that scored a few goals. Sadly we now look like your average run-of-the-mill Championship side, with little ability. Sheff Utd weren't any better than us last night, they didn't deserve to win, but neither did we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Huh? Solent said it was one of our poorest performances Well I listened to Radio Sheffeiled and it sounded like a very good game and they praised us for the football and effort - but noted that we couldn't score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Their second goal was the result of going all out for the winner, ok, but surely the daw at 90 minutes was worth attempting to defend. For their first goal (from the OS): "a tame looking delivery deceives the backline and Greg Halford nods the ball past Davis as it sneaks in at the far post." F***ing useless defending again. I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Not sure what else we could have done at LB though . Play Skacel of course. He's costing us enough, and even sulking is much better than anything else we have at LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Another point for the anti-Dutch guys- we played nearly the whole second half with a very experienced team - arguably only James, Lallana & McGoldrick could be classed otherwise and only Skacel, whose head probably wasn't right anyway after scouring Europe for an escape route, was missing, so what is he meant to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 So, not only did you misread them, but you missed the bit that stated that the team was prepared for the Plymouth match by Dodd and Gorman. Who cares? It's history and utterly irrelevant to our current situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Last night was a nonsense. The selected team was never going to be strong enough. Lallana does not deserve a place in the squad let alone play for 94 mins. McLaggon is still only a sub, not ready to start. Skacel has been criticised on here, but a bit of perspective is needed, Lowe wanted him out, wouldn't allow him to be picked, he certainly was one of the better players even out of position at left back, he certainly rates a place in this side. Euell has shown effort and is far superior to Lallana, who lacks basic positional sense and is a liability in all departments. BWP needs to play, he is better and stronger than the alternatives. The team was lightweight, had no width, and James hit all but one of the crosses from the right from halfway inside the half. When they went down to 10 men, we should have immediately made a change, brought BWP on for Lallana. Euell should have been on for McLaggon after half time with Gillett RM. The team selection last night was a no brainer against a strong side. Davis, James, Saeijs, Perry, Surman, BWP, Euell, Wotton, Skacel, Saganowski, McGoldrick. We were absolutely reckless at the end, Throwing caution to the wind at the end and leaving one defender back was suicidal. It is an appalling indictment that these players seem to have no idea about tactics and what is required in certain circumstances. Most of the young ones have been ten years in training with the club yet appear to know nothing about the game and play only by instinct, their passing and awareness is basic, there is no clever positional play, or passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Last night was a nonsense. The selected team was never going to be strong enough. Lallana does not deserve a place in the squad let alone play for 94 mins. McLaggon is still only a sub, not ready to start. Skacel has been criticised on here, but a bit of perspective is needed, Lowe wanted him out, wouldn't allow him to be picked, he certainly was one of the better players even out of position at left back, he certainly rates a place in this side. Euell has shown effort and is far superior to Lallana, who lacks basic positional sense and is a liability in all departments. BWP needs to play, he is better and stronger than the alternatives. The team was lightweight, had no width, and James hit all but one of the crosses from the right from halfway inside the half. When they went down to 10 men, we should have immediately made a change, brought BWP on for Lallana. Euell should have been on for McLaggon after half time with Gillett RM. The team selection last night was a no brainer against a strong side. Davis, James, Saeijs, Perry, Surman, BWP, Euell, Wotton, Skacel, Saganowski, McGoldrick. We were absolutely reckless at the end, Throwing caution to the wind at the end and leaving one defender back was suicidal. It is an appalling indictment that these players seem to have no idea about tactics and what is required in certain circumstances. Most of the young ones have been ten years in training with the club yet appear to know nothing about the game and play only by instinct, their passing and awareness is basic, there is no clever positional play, or passing. I agree completely. It wasn't a difficult team decision was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I agree completely. It wasn't a difficult team decision was it? No it wasn't, it's where we are at right now, **** or bust. As soon as Wotte said he had picked the team on Sunday, I thought of all the weeks to do this with the transfer window closing on Mon, it meant he must have excluded Skacel anyway. The man is proving to be another prat. The time for experiment and trying things has gone. We are now down to the wire. Use the youngsters to fill in if we are short, better still get in a couple of experienced loans. I see Gillespie is unattached, he could possibly do a job for us down the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubber boy Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Sadly we now look like your average run-of-the-mill Championship side, with little ability. Oh, I wish we were that good http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 No it wasn't, it's where we are at right now, **** or bust. As soon as Wotte said he had picked the team on Sunday, I thought of all the weeks to do this with the transfer window closing on Mon, it meant he must have excluded Skacel anyway. Do you believe that all the Six Nations teams have made a mistake by announcing their teams 5 days before the games? Or do you not think that sometimes there is an argument for picking a team a couple of days before a game, especially if you are planning to play a specific way, so that the players can work on it? I would be interested in your thoughts on both of these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 I think we are all ready to accept that if our season was a horse it would have been shot by now. I am also ready to look to next season in league one, so people with more financial knowledge than me may be able to advise if I am being too simplistic but would this be the plan? - We go into administration very soon, that wipes debt, confirms our relegation which looks certain anyway, it sheds unwanted directors and opens the way for a serious investor to come in to salvage an ailing business without the current stumbling blocks of Lowe and Wilde. The value of the business would be low (how ironic), and as long as the current regime doesn't become the new investors we have some hope of progress, though I fear it will be more in the style of Leeds than Leicester. Any new investor would be looking to build the club on and off the pitch, it is in their interests to do so, which is another thing that baffles me, what on earth are Wilde and Lowe getting out of this at the moment? It cannot be fun watching your shareholding dwindling by the minute as you preside over the worst-managed business since the Chocolate Teapot Company went under in the summer of 76. If these things come to pass in some form, it means that by October we could be having 25,000 gates watching us toying with play off places, (knowing from experience that it will all go pear-shaped later against someone we have never heard of) - BUT we will have our club back and a board that shares our enthusiasm for progress. The alternative is we stumble on and by Christmas the Lowe and Wilde freak show is three off the bottom of league one being watched by 5,000 fans in one stand - AND several property developers, eyeing waterfront apartments as soon as the crunch passes... Am I bonkers or does plan A sound possible and more cheerful than last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Annoyingly, and despite needing wins, especially at home, I would've taken a point last night. So close, yet so far. Relegation has been in the offing for ages, we just don't have the quality to stay in this division. Take administration, and cling on to any kind of hope we could possibly have in the next few years. Right now I would take just staying in league football, unlike Luton who were in this league two years ago and appear to be slipping out of professional football. As Holloway said last night, why did Euell and BWP start on the bench? We need all the experience we can get right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Do you believe that all the Six Nations teams have made a mistake by announcing their teams 5 days before the games? Or do you not think that sometimes there is an argument for picking a team a couple of days before a game, especially if you are planning to play a specific way, so that the players can work on it? I would be interested in your thoughts on both of these matters. Yes, I favour picking the team early, but not the one and only time we have done it, especially at a time you don't know who will still be there, specifically Skacel. If he was available he had to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Just seen the goals on SNN. WTF was Davis doing with their second goal? Trying not to give away a corner? He certainly wasn't trying to save it, he took his hand away from it!! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Are you Stewart(stuart) who phoned 606 the other day and Radio Hants? Not me mate,i don`t do phone ins, in any case.... Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Just for the stat-lovers - our home record since we beat Hull 4-0 in December 2007, is P28 W5 D9 L14 F23 A36 Pts24 Why do we keep putting ourselves through it? Good job we got rid of Burley isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Who cares? It's history and utterly irrelevant to our current situation Gosh, there's so much to reply to your short little message. Who cares? - well you, apparently, otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to reply. Who cares about accuracy? - well I do, but, if approximately is good enough for you, you're setting your standards too low. 'It's history' - so are Mike Channon and Ron Davies and Ted McDougall, but I enjoy reminiscing about the days they were at Saints. 'Irrelevant' - not irrelevant actually, but maybe you meant 'pointless' since there's nothing we can do about it now, other than discuss whether we might have done better under Pearson, but no more pointless than discussing whether Channon was a better striker than Ron Davies. Well, got that off me chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Playing Skacel isn't going to make any difference. The club is dead and we are going down. Not just to League One either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Playing Skacel isn't going to make any difference. The club is dead and we are going down. Not just to League One either... Last night it might have made a difference. Certainly starting with Euell was a no-brainer. Our midfield was Wotton, Gillett, McLaggon, Lallana. We never stood a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Well I listened to Radio Sheffeiled and it sounded like a very good game and they praised us for the football and effort - but noted that we couldn't score. Was Chris Iwelumo commentating I bet Rupes has cut and pasted your post ready for the next AGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Playing Skacel isn't going to make any difference. The club is dead and we are going down. Not just to League One either... Do you think if we start with Skacel, Euell, Schederlin and BWP has no difference? Is that a difference between Saganowski and Robertson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbons Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Davis- james-perry-wotton-skacel- BWP-Euell-Schederlin-Surman Mcgoldrick-Saga This team will give us the best chance of survival....IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 There are some games over the season when your struggling that you'll look back on and it could turn it around for you. I fear this might be that game just like it was V Everton, Middlesborough when we got relegated. On the other hand, it sounded like we totally deserved the win and maybe just got hellishly unlucky. I normally expect us to lose in the dieing seconds, but for some strange reason I was really surprised when that went in. Gutted. No chance here is the sequence of play for most of the 2nd half ... Ball comes from kelvin to james who passes into center mid to wotton who takes a look up spots a pass and ....... waits, gets closed down, passes to CB who passes to LJ who runs 25 yrds upfield and crosses from deep ... CB heads out and away to wotton who looks up spots a pass waits gets closed down and passes back to the CB. The one time LJ got to near the byline we scored. We seemed far too 1 dimensional to me and soon as ward got the ball was obvious he'd score!! Granted we had a few chances but nothing id class as clear cut the game seemed like a trainning match not what i was expecting at all and being sat in the kingsland nursing home of block 30 didnt help my enjoyment of the match either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Davis- james-perry-wotton-skacel- BWP-Euell-Schederlin-Surman Mcgoldrick-Saga This team will give us the best chance of survival....IMHO... wotton is a better centre back than Seijs? I've heard it all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 It's all deck-chair re-arranging, basically. We aren't good enough all the way through our entire squad - if we were, people would have been queuing up to sign some of them, not putting in speculative late and low bids to take a punt on someone who might come good. We have to face it, this is what years of mismanagement & poor purchases (I'm spreading the blame equally - not another witch-hunt after anyone) have reduced us to. Wotte is on a hiding to nothing. For all anyone knows Skacel was flying back from Germany yesterday having failed in his escape bid - not ideal preparation for a match. The only people who rave about him clearly don't watch him very often, anyway. BWP had the whole second half and Euell most of it without either of them turning the game. If he'd started with both of them it's just as likely they could both have been as crap as we know they're capable of being & he'd have been wrong for that, too. Gillet & Wotton added some bite but neither of them could pass wind accurately. If Saga doesn't score he contributes little and Surman, who I still think our best player by a mile, is a lightweight, etc, etc. We have some capable players but the CCC is a strange division. Last season some of the best football we saw was played by S****horpe & Blackpool at the bottom, & Bristol City near the top were woeful. If you didn't know who was who, could you have picked the blue and white hoops of Reading as the top team & Doncaster the bottom when we played them? Contrary to the press & non-attenders, the CCC is not a thugs' league, it is a league of skilful, athletic footballers, but as in any level you have to compete to play your football. We are not miles adrift of anyone in an incredibly even league, but we are just short of what is required and are likely to stay that way this season. A lot of it is in the mind and I genuinely think that the divisions amongst the shareholders and the fans is a bigger part of our problem than is acknowledged. I'm not a Lowe luvvie, but I don't hate him as much as some do; I just wish everyone could unite at least temporarily to give ourselves a chance. Constant sniping and undermining on all sides of the argument is totally counter-productive. We aren't going to get a change of ownership anytime soon - who the hell would go near us - and that has to be accepted too. And, as for administration - as the saying goes, be careful what you wish for. I have thought for a while that we are going down, I don't think we are saveable, but life will go on and we will regroup and recover but it isn't going to happen anytime soon. All we can do is at least give the new manager a chance to perform a miracle & do our little bit byturning up and supporting OUR team. Sorry if this sounds like a sermon, but I get so peed of reading about the constant apportioning of blame going back over years, and wallowing in the misery of our situation almost to the point where it seems a lot of posters on here want us to fail. All I want is for my team to do well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 I'd agree with all of that except for Saga and Wotton's mark. Saga may of started brightly with a lovely turn and nutmeg, but having missed a decent chance in the first half he did absolutely nothing in the second half so a 4 or 5 would be in order. As for Wotton, jesus has anyone seen a player with less ability at SMS or indeed the Dell? How many times did he just hoof it absolutely anywhere? On one occasion he not only hoofed it when he had time to bring it down make a cup and tea...but his hoof was so bad it sliced into row Z. Terrible terrible player. Actually just noticed the 1 for Schneiderlin, that is harsh, he looked to get on it as soon as he got on the field and he looked totally up for the game IMO (which has not always been the case). Id give him a 6. At last someone else has noticed Wotten is the worst player ever to wear a Saints shirt. It hasn't just happened either he has been since day one here. Rubbish is being kind. Any manager who picks him is not up to the task of managing a Saints team or anyone else. Poor passing, always has been, poor positional sense. no awareness, dirty and a liability - better off with ten men !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 wotton is a better centre back than Seijs? I've heard it all now. And Morgan Anderton actually being fit to play for once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 And Morgan Anderton actually being fit to play for once... He's making Marian look like an ever-present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 At last someone else has noticed Wotten is the worst player ever to wear a Saints shirt. It hasn't just happened either he has been since day one here. Rubbish is being kind. Any manager who picks him is not up to the task of managing a Saints team or anyone else. Poor passing, always has been, poor positional sense. no awareness, dirty and a liability - better off with ten men !!!!!!!! I think the only thing Wooton brings to the team is a bit of bite and agression but his speed lets him down too often so just runs around with his chest out looking angry allot. When he gets the ball all he needs to do is a simple pass to the nearest available red and white shirt as any one of them on the pitch will be able to be more creative in a pass than him. A bit like JV in the fact that he will get stuck in but needs someone next to him that can pass. Maybe Wooton and Morgan in the middle would work better? Or Morgan and Gillet? but not Wooton and Gillet again please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Davis- james-perry-wotton-skacel- BWP-Euell-Schederlin-Surman Mcgoldrick-Saga This team will give us the best chance of survival....IMHO... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha etc etc.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Wolves pull level 2-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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