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We were not unlucky tonight, we just played really poorly and arguably deserved to lose.

 

The fight and passion had gone, there wasn't much endeavour, skill or creativity.

 

It was back to square one for me I'm afraid.

 

 

 

Davis - 5 - Lost a bit of confidence and seemed to pull his hand away for their winner when he could have saved it.

 

James - 2 - Time to be honest and say he is no full back

 

Size - 5 - Mixed it up a bit, but got done big time for the winner

 

Perry - 6 - Must wonder what is going on around him

 

Surman - 5 - He's no full back either, but he did score

 

McGlaggon - 2 - Not up to it

 

Wotton - 5 - Tried hard, but never replicated his effort against Swansea

 

Lallana - 4 - The game passed him by too much

 

Gillett - 4 - Another one not cut out for it

 

Mcgoldrick - 2 - I think I'm a tad biased but he is rubbish. Shirked challenges and scuffed every chance he had.

 

Saga - 7 - Started really brightly and was head and shoulders above the rest, but then tailed off as the team left him isolated

 

 

Subs:

 

Euell - 7 - Our best player when he came on (he really should be starting)

 

BWP - 5 - Never capitalised on the space he was given

 

Schinderlin - 1 - Looked disinterested and off the pace

 

 

 

Wotte has been distancing himself from the previous 28 game regime (which is pretty sly IMHO), but sadly match 31 tonight fitted in well alongside those other 28 matches.

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where to start when you want to rant?!:mad:

 

A proper sickener, right down there with Boro, Everton and Villa.

And anyone who thinks that we are suddenly going to string five home wins together should be in Broadmoor, I can see no way on earth that this team/coach/board combination is going to turn it round now.

Prove me wrong please, but why on earth should our form suddenly improve??

Please prove me wrong!!!

 

But like the last time we went down, we all saw it coming in the September and it was no effing surprise in May, that is the worst thing, it is like being on an oil tanker that is going to hit another one currently forty miles away and Captain Lowe keeps telling you it will be fine, look again!!

At least this time put us out of our misery, pop a cartridge in the duck gun and call in the administrators to make a clean start in Lg one.

But oh no, just when we think we hit rock bottom, some ruddy faced arse is going to preside over a predictable relegation, and then decide in the summer that we could start next year on minus ten.

Go on surprise me with one more mismanagement joke at our expense.

 

I have felt bad about staying away and denying Lowe my cash and the club funding this year, but he has chucked it all away, TWICE, and continues to do so every day, I want to support the club but I refuse to supply any more 'director's expenses'.

We have turned out in numbers and they have failed, we have stayed away and they have failed. What now?

I see no chance of a great escape, but am open enough to hope that someone proves me wrong, BUT it will have to be at Watford, and then for about four matches on the trot if it is to happen. Crunch time is here, it has to happen now.

 

A good post.

After tonight ive had enough.

Theres only so many times you can watch your team get beat at home.Im out of the country soon,which means im going to miss the next three home games and how i feel now,i really dont care anymore.

Ive had enough of Lowe,Wilde,the board,crap Saints teams and a general "Treat the fans with contempt" attitude from within the club.

No way will i renew my ST next season.

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Working on Saturdays at the wrong end of the country, not been able to make it down for any games at SMS thisseason. So today I managed to get 2 days off to come down for the Preston game.

 

Well thanks very f*cking much SFC, I'll now be able to come down for a boycott!!!

 

On the bright side, should be a good march!! :rolleyes:

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Just got back from the game...

 

Well... I really don't know what to say. That was a real sucker punch at the end but it was always coming, we're not unlucky, we're Southampton FC. And too many times I've seen this, not finishing off teams when we are dominating them and then being made to pay for it. This smacks of Barnsley at home last season (?). Exactly the same. How McGoldrick is keep ing his place in the team is beyond me. He was truely woefull. His statistics off over 90 shots now this season and less than half on target with only what is it, 7? 9? goals??? This proves he is greedy and not really very good. Someone on here wrote that Euell was ineffective once on which makes me wonde what game they were watching as he had 2 of our best efforts and did more chasing down and running in the short time he was on then "deadly Dave" managed in the whole game. Wotte was right to take McGlaggon off as it just wasn't his day. Now I'm not making excuses but the linesman on the kingsland side was awful, truely awful. He hadn't a clue what his job actually entailed. This isn't the reason for us losing but it certainly didn't help matters. Once again, for there first goal I'm not so sure it was actually a corner as it really looked like their guy booted it out and by the sounds of it so did the chappel end...

 

All in all I have come away in a rather somber mood. I can't understand how we didn't win, but at the same time am really not that suprised.

 

My ratings fwiw-

 

Davis - 6 (more like last seasons Davis, seems to have a communication problem with Saijes)

Surman - 7 (went missing a few times but reasonable)

Perry - 6 (strong in the air and in challenge)

Saijes - 6 (good game, got forward well, but looked at fault for second goal)

James -5 (he's really not a right back is he?)

Lallana - 4 (terribly inefective, has no positional sence, a shadow of what he was)

Wotton - 6 (slow to move the ball about but got stuck in and seemed to want it)

Gillet - 6 (I was suprised to see him come off, thought he was doing ok)

McGlaggon - 3 (not his day at all, looked lost)

McGoldrick - 2 (Greedy, slow, half arsed effort)

Saganowski - 7 (no goals, but little service and never gave up, kept going and is our best player right now)

 

Subs -

BWP - 6 (ran about, had a few good efforts, typical BWP)

Euell - 7 (Looked like he wanted it, was unlucky not to score)

Sniederlin (not enough time to make an impact of any kind)

 

I'm afraid after this I feel L1 is looking more of a certainty....

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Good news. Rupert will receive another letter of support from an unamed and satisfied shareholder in the post tomorrow and I hear Chris Iwelumo of Wolves is still waxing lyrical about the way we play the game.

 

Only slight drawback is the food in corporate has not been up to the previous standard

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i think that was the worst performance i have ever seen saints perform.

 

no battle, no idea's, no passion...nothing.

 

all we seemed to do was hoof the ball long, now i can understand if we had a 6"8 striker, but we don't. United's defenders were laughing as they won every header with their eyes closed. The only 2 palyers that look good enough for this league are Davis and Saganowski. everyone else is **** poor.

 

the manager was useless, the team are useless and the club is useless

 

league 1 here we come!

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F**k off Lowe, and your cronies, and take your failed dutch experiment with you.

Lowe you have almost ruined this club beyond repair- all because you know

absolutely nothing about football.

Lastly well done to Nigel Pearson at Leicester.

p.s- From a fuming fan of 46 years , who will not be back, until Lowe and Wilde are gone

forever.

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For the first time this season I am REALLY ANGRY! We played 50 minutes against 10 men and Sheffield looked comfortable throughout. We started with McLaggon and Lallana so we only had 9 players really. We have Skacel, Euell and BWP who are costing us a lot of money and yet we start with lightweights. We've loaned out proven regular goalscorers and week after week we see teams come to St Mary's with players you've never heard of who can turn our so-called fullbacks inside-out and stroke the ball into the bottom corner from 20 yards out whilst our load are having wild swings at the ball when they are not too busy falling over. Wotte hasn't got a clue. McGoldrick is ponderous and unfit. McLaggon lost posession every time he got the ball, bring back Ali Dia. We don't have a right-back. James kept trying to cross the ball as soon as he got into their half. The first time this season that he gets to the bye-line we get a goal! Please can we have a proper manager before it's too late. We weren't unlucky, we just aren't very good.

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And all those complaining will be back next game for another 90 minutes of the same.

 

My total cost this season £5 to this forum,and I can walk to the stadium,I am not one of the fans who lives 200 miles away.

 

How the hell can you all sit in the stands and allow this club to be ripped apart !

 

Stop p***ing in the wind with marches,either walk out of the game leaving an empty stadium or STF up and stop complaining.

 

I used to go with 7 mates,we have been going since 1974 and none of us go now,I could not get them to go if they gave tickets away.

 

Either get rid of Lowe NOW or lose the club.

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For the first time this season I am REALLY ANGRY! We played 50 minutes against 10 men and Sheffield looked comfortable throughout. We started with McLaggon and Lallana so we only had 9 players really. We have Skacel, Euell and BWP who are costing us a lot of money and yet we start with lightweights. We've loaned out proven regular goalscorers and week after week we see teams come to St Mary's with players you've never heard of who can turn our so-called fullbacks inside-out and stroke the ball into the bottom corner from 20 yards out whilst our load are having wild swings at the ball when they are not too busy falling over. Wotte hasn't got a clue. McGoldrick is ponderous and unfit. McLaggon lost posession every time he got the ball, bring back Ali Dia. We don't have a right-back. James kept trying to cross the ball as soon as he got into their half. The first time this season that he gets to the bye-line we get a goal! Please can we have a proper manager before it's too late. We weren't unlucky, we just aren't very good.

 

That sums up the reason why Sheff Utd found it a walk in the park even with ten men and why we've won 1 game in 16 at home. Too nice, too pretty and physically no match

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This is a guy who once played 6 CBs in a team and once played 5 players out of position in order to put the worst CB up front.

 

This is a guy who is getting turned down by L1 and L2 clubs.

 

If you think things cant get any worse, try Holloway as the manager.

 

At the moment I would prefer Holloway as manager..at least when he manged Plymouth they had some balls and passion...

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I just cannot believe that most of the players at Wottes disposal are worse than the shower of sh*te on show for Sheffield Utd (not to mention a lot of other clubs). Why oh why did we start a home game with a defensive line-up? Wotton and Gillett are not playmakers...so who is? Lallana is not adapting to the game plan. Euell should be up front with Saga, Skacel should be at LB, Surman should be playing CM (at least he can f-ing shoot) alongside Wotton, put Lallana on the left wing....play 4-4-2 and start with our STRONGEST line-up.

 

Tonight McG was more sh*te than he usually is. McGlaggon must have been taking lessons from Dyer - continually ran into defenders and had no vision to pass to a team mate. There was no movement off the ball - many shots 'on goal' were schoolboy level - little effort was put in by some.

 

On the plus side, Davis still pulls off some good moves, Size was excellent for 95% of the game, Surman is a real pro playing out of position and still putting in a committed performance, Saga worked hard but got rubbish service from a non-existant midfield.

 

Therefore I lay all blame for this game at the door of our new coach/manager. HE DOES NOT HAVE A FRICKING CLUE - JUST LIKE HIS BUMBLING PREDECESSOR JP!!! I see Pearson has once again delivered a convincing 4-1 win for Leicester - I simply refuse to believe he would not be able to deliver a decent team and better results, from the players at this club. WOTTE IS A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN!!!

 

And I point the holistic finger of blame at LOWE and WILDE - they have ruined the club between them. Being an ST holder there's little I can do now to influence their status at SFC at the moment, but I promise them one thing - I will NOT be purchasing an ST next season. And I will be ecstatic to see them lose their money when the club goes into admin because of lost gate receipts...and when they have gone, I will then consider buying an ST and supporting the club financially again.

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All this negativity, nobody is looking at the positives - we get a couple of local away days next season at Brighton and Yeovil.

 

If someone had said we'd be in the same division as Yeovil 5 years ago i'd have laughed in their face. Now i think it's a certainty.:(

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I obviously have no right to judge the performance as I haven't seen it, BUT I still have a right to guess and I still have a right to have a substantial moan.

 

For me, this is the worst defeat we have suffered since that day against Leeds. To be a man up, and finally get a goal, surely this is the time where we push on for three points? Did we sit back - thinking 1 goal was all we needed? When we equalise, we should be more professional than c*ck it up that bad.

 

STILL ONE WIN AT HOME ALL SEASON. Its embarassingly bad > surely the w***stains that run this club have to be forced out by increased pressure!!!

 

I think if we don't beat Watford now, we are as good as relegated.

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For the first time this season I am REALLY ANGRY! We played 50 minutes against 10 men and Sheffield looked comfortable throughout. We started with McLaggon and Lallana so we only had 9 players really. We have Skacel, Euell and BWP who are costing us a lot of money and yet we start with lightweights. We've loaned out proven regular goalscorers and week after week we see teams come to St Mary's with players you've never heard of who can turn our so-called fullbacks inside-out and stroke the ball into the bottom corner from 20 yards out whilst our load are having wild swings at the ball when they are not too busy falling over. Wotte hasn't got a clue. McGoldrick is ponderous and unfit. McLaggon lost posession every time he got the ball, bring back Ali Dia. We don't have a right-back. James kept trying to cross the ball as soon as he got into their half. The first time this season that he gets to the bye-line we get a goal! Please can we have a proper manager before it's too late. We weren't unlucky, we just aren't very good.

 

I fully concur. Open transfer window and we sign another alleged CB when we are crying out for a REAL RFB and a replacement for McG who can't score, and has no intention of finding out

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Did not post last night because I was so up tight,every word would have been a swear word.

Yesterday i battled through blizzards, ice roads to get to work for 6.30am, get home have something to eat post on here until 6.45 then off to SMS, in the cold convince both sons to go

 

AND FOR WHAT

 

A team with no effort, no support from their bosses or more to the point NO CLUE from the club management.

I did what i had to yesterday because my bosses motivate me and because i care about my job, this bunch at SFC are not motivated and do not give a toss.

If the Dutch pratt starts spouting of about lack of support , beautiful football i will be leading a campaign to have him sectioned under the mental health act

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I see Wotte says on the OS he can't understand why Saints can't win at home? i think that says it all really about the total lack of awareness and understanding of football in this league. If he can't see we need a right back and a big centre forward still and we can't afford to start with only 5 experienced outfield players, then he hasn't got a clue :-(

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i got talking to a couple of Germans in the concourse before last night's game. they are visiting lots of grounds around the country, getting a taste of English football . i warned them that they would not be likely to see much football here!! ...and that we were having the worst season in living memory etc.

well i saw them again after the game and they looked at me and said,and i quote.." you were right, that was awful......but the stadium is lovely!!"...:(

 

 

we're gonna have the loveliest stadium in league 1,that's for sure:smt022

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I don't normally post on forums but I feel so depressed this morning I just have to get it off my chest. I hope we DO go down. This season is a complete write-off and the team simply isn't good enough. Our best chance of saving this club is to go down, reduce ticket prices, get people back through the turnstiles and start playing in a league in which we can actually compete seriously with the teams around us. Hopefully we then can do a Leicester and finally regain some upward momentum.

 

Of course some investment along the way would help (fat chance) and if we ARE going into administration let's pray it happens before end-March so that we lose ten points this season and at least start next season on zero (assuming the club is still here) because barring an unlikely string of away wins relegation is coming anyway.

 

Well, there you go: I've said it now. Gosh, I feel better already.

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Gutted where was the fight ? we where out thought and out fought all over the pitch we deserved to lose no question.

 

What has happened to Kelvin two very poor games by his standards

James is not a right back

saijes played well looks a good buy but bad mistake at the end

perry played well

surman great goal wasted at left back

midfield rubish the lot of them gillett WTF lallana very poor mccalgon very poor

saga our only hope tried hard at least maca very poor

 

Why did he not play euell our best player when he came on

 

I have to say we are going down we fought well against Swansea but last night we where muscled off the ball all over the pitch men against boys and there a lot of teams like Sheff untd in this league we are doomed

 

Lowe out

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My player ratings

Davis - 5 - Any ball into the 6 yard box shoud be his, but like the man said - flappity flappity flap. Otherwise barely had a save to make

James - 6.5 - Everyone makes this poor lad the boo boy but it isn't fair. We were playing without a right winger, as we often have this season & expect him to attack and defend on his own. He didn't do much wrong defensively (to be fair he didn't need to do much defending), passed intelligently and he was consistently finding space and putting in crosses from the right, but there was never anyone supporting him to allow him to really push on.

Surman - 6 - never looks that happy as a defender and heads the ball like a girl, but he is still a class above the rest of our team

Perry - 6 - steady & reliable

Saeijs - 6 - looks more & more like Claus. Should have done better for their goal, though

Gillett - 6 - wasn't as effective as against Swansea

Wotton - 5.5 - likewise & passing is awful. I don't think you can have these two playing together

MacLaggon - 4 - looked out of his depth & infected with the Dyer disease of runner around in ineffective circles

Lallana - 4 - worked quite hard but nothing came off for him around their crowded box

McGoldrick - 5 - worked quite hard but never looked like he will ever score another goal

Saganowski - 6.5 - always looked like he might get a goal without really shining

BWP - 4.5 - another classic BWP performance, glimpses of promise mixed in with offsides and carelessness

Euell - 6.5 - probably needs to replace Lallana at present

Schneiderlin - 4 - anonymous

Wotte - 6.5 - I'm not really sure what more he could have done

Overall - 5 - because we lost. Positives - we did keep trying, but in the second half they sat deep and clung on and we didn't have the ability to break them down. It happens against ten men (in fact we always seem to lose against ten men!) but there was no lack of effort and on another night one of our many crosses and shots would have trickled in for a deflected winner (in my dreams, anyway)

Nutter of the night - Henderson - He got all fired up with first the linesman, then the ref because Surman took a throw in by the corner flag ten yards up the pitch, then 2 minutes later took a wild kick at Saeijs. What a nutter

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We were not unlucky tonight, we just played really poorly and arguably deserved to lose.

 

The fight and passion had gone, there wasn't much endeavour, skill or creativity.

 

It was back to square one for me I'm afraid.

 

 

 

Davis - 5 - Lost a bit of confidence and seemed to pull his hand away for their winner when he could have saved it.

 

James - 2 - Time to be honest and say he is no full back

 

Size - 5 - Mixed it up a bit, but got done big time for the winner

 

Perry - 6 - Must wonder what is going on around him

 

Surman - 5 - He's no full back either, but he did score

 

McGlaggon - 2 - Not up to it

 

Wotton - 5 - Tried hard, but never replicated his effort against Swansea

 

Lallana - 4 - The game passed him by too much

 

Gillett - 4 - Another one not cut out for it

 

Mcgoldrick - 2 - I think I'm a tad biased but he is rubbish. Shirked challenges and scuffed every chance he had.

 

Saga - 7 - Started really brightly and was head and shoulders above the rest, but then tailed off as the team left him isolated

 

 

Subs:

 

Euell - 7 - Our best player when he came on (he really should be starting)

 

BWP - 5 - Never capitalised on the space he was given

 

Schinderlin - 1 - Looked disinterested and off the pace

 

 

 

Wotte has been distancing himself from the previous 28 game regime (which is pretty sly IMHO), but sadly match 31 tonight fitted in well alongside those other 28 matches.

 

I'd agree with all of that except for Saga and Wotton's mark. Saga may of started brightly with a lovely turn and nutmeg, but having missed a decent chance in the first half he did absolutely nothing in the second half so a 4 or 5 would be in order. As for Wotton, jesus has anyone seen a player with less ability at SMS or indeed the Dell? How many times did he just hoof it absolutely anywhere? On one occasion he not only hoofed it when he had time to bring it down make a cup and tea...but his hoof was so bad it sliced into row Z. Terrible terrible player.

 

Actually just noticed the 1 for Schneiderlin, that is harsh, he looked to get on it as soon as he got on the field and he looked totally up for the game IMO (which has not always been the case). Id give him a 6.

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I was snowed in last night and couldnt get to teh game.I watched a bit of Holloway on Sky and he was saying that saints had 2-4 chances early on but could see that SU had a belief that their position in the league gave them.He said he could see Saints losing their way.that was 30 minutes in.I could then see what was going to happen and didnt turn it back on until just before 10 and caught the goals, not knowing the score, when it said and in the 90th minute and Surman scored I was disappointed but thought a point better than nothing and then it carried on with SU in possession and the worst dawned on me. My friends info that the team were buoyant and things were inded better under Wotte had given me confidence that we were on the way up. That faith is now seen by me to be misguided after reading the many reports on the game.I did think w3e would lose last night as it always seems if you do anything to get a game played it backfires.

Very down today.

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Anothert DEFEAT is the only comment worth making as the rest is irelevant....

How we played,who played,who didn`t is of no importance as we cannot

change it now.

 

Lots on here can see who should play,who should`nt,who was ****e and who

was good but our same old,same old dutch style with added hoofing is not going to work..

 

CCC experienced manager required NOW..

 

And to ,make mattere worse i did not get home until 1.45am due to the snow

on the A36,through salisbury to amesbury.

Gridlock on pepperbox hill..

 

Really peeed off and bloody tired this morning.

 

Protests,boycotts and more protests..bring it on

 

 

Lowe,Wilde,Askham,all the other cronies and the dutch disaster OUT..NOW!!

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Just for the stat-lovers - our home record since we beat Hull 4-0 in December 2007, is

P28 W5 D9 L14 F23 A36 Pts24

Why do we keep putting ourselves through it?

 

Then people wonder why our home gates our so low! That is a shocking statistic and every bit as bad as Derby's year without a win - at least that was at PL level. As for your final question Sid, I'm asking myself the exact same question as you and I'm coming to the conclusion it just isn't worth it any more. At least I'll be overseas for a good chunk of the last part of the season so there will be no temptation to go to SMS from the other side of the world!

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Pd W D L GF GA Pts Gdif

16 1 7 8 13 22 10 -9

 

That above is our home record this season. That alone says good bye Championship hello Carlisle United, Leyton Orient, Walsall et al.

 

If anyone think we will 'do a Leicester City' and 'walk this league' think again.

 

I'm afeared that I will never see Southampton FC play in the top flight again or maybe even the next level. I'm 47 in July I should be happy that I did go to the winning FA Cup final and I did see a Southampton side that were exciting, entertaining and damn near invincible at home.

 

I am sorry for any young lads who have only just started supporting the club in recent years as I did back in 1969-70. You have got some really crappy years to come.

 

That's it for me. I won't even think about football anymore after tonight. I'm finished with it this season.

 

It's 4 down in League 1 as well and the club has shown so little fight in the last 5 years I'd have to make us favourites for the drop again. Bolton and Sheffield United have both come back from the old fourth division (and Wolves) to the top flight so it can be done but we really need total regime change at the club if that's going to be possible over the next 10-15 years.

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Anothert DEFEAT is the only comment worth making as the rest is irelevant....

How we played,who played,who didn`t is of no importance as we cannot

change it now.

 

Lots on here can see who should play,who should`nt,who was ****e and who

was good but our same old,same old dutch style with added hoofing is not going to work..

 

CCC experienced manager required NOW..

 

And to ,make mattere worse i did not get home until 1.45am due to the snow

on the A36,through salisbury to amesbury.

Gridlock on pepperbox hill..

 

Really peeed off and bloody tired this morning.

 

Protests,boycotts and more protests..bring it on

 

 

Lowe,Wilde,Askham,all the other cronies and the dutch disaster OUT..NOW!!

Are you Stewart(stuart) who phoned 606 the other day and Radio Hants?
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