Wes Tender Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) it was for pearson, who you are creaming yourself over Pearson came here with nil experience of the team and had to hit the ground running, whereas Wotte has been here as long as the hapless Poortvliet and as part of the "seamless" melding of the youngsters, reserves and first team that was heralded as revolutionary, Wotte should know all of the players inside out. If you can't see any difference between the two situations, then more fool you. Anyway, having checked, Pearson's first three games when he was fully in charge were all draws, as he wasn't in charge as such for the Plymouth game. Edited 3 February, 2009 by Wes Tender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 That was the most pathetic display of football i have ever seen. Not ONE player looked like they wanted to be playing today. No-one showed any willingness to get stuck in. Davis - Wayward kicking, can't fault otherwise. 7/10 James - Enough said. 0/10. Oh, he set up the goal. 0.5/10 Size - Did well bar the last minute of the game when it mattered most. 6/10 Perry - Did well. 7/10 Surman - Not at his best. 5/10 McGlaggon - Did he touch the ball? 4/10 Wotton - Put himself about. 6/10 Lallana - Was he playing? 4/10 Gillett - See above. Mcgoldrick - I saw him breathe a few times. Good effort. 3/10 Saga - At least he ran some times. 6/10 Subs: Euell - MOTM - Only because he had a shot and it looked good - 8/10 BWP - Didn't really do anything. 6/10 Schinderlin - I will give him a 7 because i thought he scored. 7/10 Wotte - Wotte the ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Why was it acceptable for Pearson then? Because history has been re-invented in the post coital glow of staying up. All the "who the **** is Pearson" comments when he was appointed have been erased and he has morphed into having universal support all along - just as Wotte will be if he pulls off a turnaround and keeps us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Because NP inherited a sh1te team from Gormless & Dudd, whereas Wotte has been a full part of the setup from the start of the season, and in all probability had been pulling JP's strings for most of the time he was nominally in charge. We have a worse team now than we did then. It's peoples rose tinted glasses again. If Wotte ends this season with the same record as Pearson with a worse team then he's done well to be honest. The only difference will be we started in a better position with Pearson so he kept us up. With Wotte we'll go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 lol i have to laugh else i will cry and break stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte played probably the " best" side that he could and made positive attempts to retrieve the game.It,s now come to the point where we just have to accept that the players/team that we have got is just not good enough for this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Pd W D L GF GA Pts Gdif 16 1 7 8 13 22 10 -9 That above is our home record this season. That alone says good bye Championship hello Carlisle United, Leyton Orient, Walsall et al. If anyone think we will 'do a Leicester City' and 'walk this league' think again. I'm afeared that I will never see Southampton FC play in the top flight again or maybe even the next level. I'm 47 in July I should be happy that I did go to the winning FA Cup final and I did see a Southampton side that were exciting, entertaining and damn near invincible at home. I am sorry for any young lads who have only just started supporting the club in recent years as I did back in 1969-70. You have got some really crappy years to come. That's it for me. I won't even think about football anymore after tonight. I'm finished with it this season. Dave I hope you are still online I feel exactly tthe same... to know that what HAS happened will be as good as it is ever going to get depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Well that for one is bull****. We may not be good enough but listening to tonights match, watching on Saturday and coming back from 2-0 down at Norwich you cannot say they're not fighting. This is one of the issues with SFC and it's fans, just making stuff up that is blatantly untrue. I give up with the Saints fans I really do. We're pathetic. Sorry but not good enough any more - yes we have come back in a few matches recently, but lets be honest it is just that - a few. We should be sweating blood at SMS in front of the home supporters. Our home form is absolutely atrocious. Sorry - but we are obviously not fighting hard enough - because tonight we were at home, in front of our own fans, playing 10 men and we still blew it. OK the young lads have excuses, but as has been pointed out on here many times now this season - other teams are playing more, and younger players than ours and are getting results. We probably now have one foot in League 1 and unless the players start to roll up their sleeves and battle we will be relegation certainties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) I guess you are new to the internet and football fan websites then? Isn't it past your bed-time Oh god, the witty retorts of what in the industry we like to call 'idiots'. Edited 4 February, 2009 by Dibden Purlieu Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 That was the most pathetic display of football i have ever seen. Not ONE player looked like they wanted to be playing today. No-one showed any willingness to get stuck in. Davis - Wayward kicking, can't fault otherwise. 7/10 James - Enough said. 0/10. Oh, he set up the goal. 0.5/10 Size - Did well bar the last minute of the game when it mattered most. 6/10 Perry - Did well. 7/10 Surman - Not at his best. 5/10 McGlaggon - Did he touch the ball? 4/10 Wotton - Put himself about. 6/10 Lallana - Was he playing? 4/10 Gillett - See above. Mcgoldrick - I saw him breathe a few times. Good effort. 3/10 Saga - At least he ran some times. 6/10 Subs: Euell - MOTM - Only because he had a shot and it looked good - 8/10 BWP - Didn't really do anything. 6/10 Schinderlin - I will give him a 7 because i thought he scored. 7/10 Wotte - Wotte the ****! Can you elaborate? Was Size roasted for pace for the goal? Wat do you mean you thought Schneiderlin scored? What did James do (or not do!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We have a worse team now than we did then. We have a worse manager than we had then as well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Because history has been re-invented in the post coital glow of staying up. All the "who the **** is Pearson" comments when he was appointed have been erased and he has morphed into having universal support all along - just as Wotte will be if he pulls off a turnaround and keeps us up. Utterly deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Andy, for the first time in my life I felt myself warming to Holloway tonight, it seems so obvious so why can't Wotte or anyone else at SMS see it? I would have thought that with the transfer window shut there is no point whatsoever not playing the high earners and Euell would be back in. Nice trip to Galpharm and Edgely Park next season. On the bright side there is a bar run by a saints fan in hudders (or at least there used to be). Alright Rich. Yep getting ready for some new away days next season although i've already done Huddlesfield in the league cup years ago. Holloway might not be a great manager but it's not rocket science to know why Saints are struggling. No fullbacks, too many youngsters and no big centre forward to get on the end of crosses like most teams have in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Pearson came here with nil experience of the team and had to hit the ground running, whereas Wotte has been here as long as the hapless Poortvliet and as part of the "seamless" melding of the youngsters, reserves and first team that was heralded as revolutionary, Wotte should know all of the players inside out. If you can't see any difference between the two situations, then more fool you. Anyway, having checked, Pearson's first three games when he was fully in charge were all draws, as he wasn't in charge as such for the Plymouth game. did he feck 4 points from 18...wow and we got a couple of thumpings along the way to just staying up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We did not play well tonight. Too many sideways or backward passes in the "build - up" followed by ball lobbed into goal area were we have no movement or physical presence whatsoever. Nearly every ball easily cleared by Sheff U defenders. Shambolic defending - their first goal easy. Player on wing not challenged, ball in - easy header. O.K. we had more chances in the second half but our powder - puff attack lacking the guts to convert them. I know that Wotte hasn`t had the team for long, but nothing has changed. Same problems as most of the season. Lack of ideas and inept performances are killing this club. Sat in the freezing cold for that display. There is, sadly, no light at the end of the tunnel (unless it`s an express train heading straight for us).:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte played probably the " best" side that he could and made positive attempts to retrieve the game.It,s now come to the point where we just have to accept that the players/team that we have got is just not good enough for this league. What a load of rubbish. I have never played in, watched or ever been associated with a team that accepts it is not good enough. Saints should & could be good enough to stay in this league. I tell you what - I wish I could take over - I think I would do a better job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Utterly deluded. Right back at ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Pd W D L GF GA Pts Gdif 16 1 7 8 13 22 10 -9 That above is our home record this season. That alone says good bye Championship hello Carlisle United, Leyton Orient, Walsall et al. If anyone think we will 'do a Leicester City' and 'walk this league' think again. I'm afeared that I will never see Southampton FC play in the top flight again or maybe even the next level. I'm 47 in July I should be happy that I did go to the winning FA Cup final and I did see a Southampton side that were exciting, entertaining and damn near invincible at home. I am sorry for any young lads who have only just started supporting the club in recent years as I did back in 1969-70. You have got some really crappy years to come. That's it for me. I won't even think about football anymore after tonight. I'm finished with it this season. I think this probably sums up most fans feeling who fit into that over 45 category, as do I. Such a shame that we can't even stabilise ourselves in this league and at least give the fans some hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) What a load of rubbish. I have never played in, watched or ever been associated with a team that accepts it is not good enough. Saints should & could be good enough to stay in this league. I tell you what - I wish I could take over - I think I would do a better job! Corky gets my vote!!! Poll please mods!!! Edited 3 February, 2009 by gjphilsaint mispelled corky and got lotsa **** sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 That was the most pathetic display of football i have ever seen. Not ONE player looked like they wanted to be playing today. No-one showed any willingness to get stuck in. Davis - Wayward kicking, can't fault otherwise. 7/10 James - Enough said. 0/10. Oh, he set up the goal. 0.5/10 Size - Did well bar the last minute of the game when it mattered most. 6/10 Perry - Did well. 7/10 Surman - Not at his best. 5/10 McGlaggon - Did he touch the ball? 4/10 Wotton - Put himself about. 6/10 Lallana - Was he playing? 4/10 Gillett - See above. Mcgoldrick - I saw him breathe a few times. Good effort. 3/10 Saga - At least he ran some times. 6/10 Subs: Euell - MOTM - Only because he had a shot and it looked good - 8/10 BWP - Didn't really do anything. 6/10 Schinderlin - I will give him a 7 because i thought he scored. 7/10 Wotte - Wotte the ****! That is a leadership issue. It comes from the manager. Wotte MUST go now with Lowe. Get Crouch in QUICK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Utterly deluded. Take your tetracycline just like the nice doctor said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We have a worse team now than we did then. It's peoples rose tinted glasses again. If Wotte ends this season with the same record as Pearson with a worse team then he's done well to be honest. The only difference will be we started in a better position with Pearson so he kept us up. With Wotte we'll go down. If Wotte keeps us up then it would be a fantastic achievement, at least twice as good as Pearson. I just can't see it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jawillwill Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 18 Norwich 31 -7 32 19 Derby 29 -11 32 20 Barnsley 30 -12 32 21 Doncaster 29 -12 31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22 Watford 30 -11 30 23 Southampton 31 -19 28 24 Charlton 31 22 Doncaster, Barnsley, Derby, Norwich, Forest.... all safe now this will be the bottom 3!! And all were prem teams in the last 6 years!!!!! Of course you're right. No doubt Donny will be taking their foot off the pedal between now and the end of the season with their incredible 1 point cushion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Saints started with 6 experienced players - Davis, Saejis, Perry, Wotton, Saganowski, and Surman ( who is 22 and has started over 100 senior games ). Also, McGoaldrought has been an ever present this season ( which probably explains a great deal ). Did not include the experienced Paddy Kenny. Saints started 5 experienced outfield players which is not enough to survive in this league IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte played probably the " best" side that he could and made positive attempts to retrieve the game.It,s now come to the point where we just have to accept that the players/team that we have got is just not good enough for this league. Might be in a minority here but i refuse to believe its not possible to get the best out of a team of average players, this team would be good enough under a proven manager imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We need a massive turn out for the Preston demo and anything else that will be planned. People keep saying don't boycott because it will hurt the club. I DON'T AGREE. WATCHING THIS TEAM LOSE EVERY HOME GAME WILL DO FAR MORE DAMAGE. FANS WILL WALK AWAY AND BE GONE FOREVER. IF EVER THERE WAS A TIME TO BOYCOTT IT IS NOW. WE HAVE TO ACT BEFORE THE CLUB HAS GONE FOREVER I agree. Zero attendance is the only thing that will hurt. The plastic fans who pay money just to stuff it down Lowe's trousers are bleeding the clubs life away. Boycott, don't go, Lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBenali Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 So, I take it from Wes that Lowe didnt turn up again. What about the other tossers ? There were a few police and stewards dotted around the edge of the directors box which weren't there on Saturday, so I assume somebody like Lowe, Wilde etc were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Corky gets my vote!!! Poll please mods!!! Corky the f u c k i n ' Clown could do a better job than this lot FFS...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 did he feck 4 points from 18...wow and we got a couple of thumpings along the way to just staying up Pearson debates are irrelevant. We need a new manager instead of this puppet Mark 2, who thinks the fans are dicks and is hated by the players and coaching staff. Wotte the **** is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Typical Saints in my opinion tonight. Work hard to get the equaliser and then stop concentrating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Might be in a minority here but i refuse to believe its not possible to get the best out of a team of average players, this team would be good enough under a proven manager imo maybe with Cloughie or O'Neil in charge......not with a useless foreign johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We're fast running out of games, the gates are dwindling while the divisive one with his mad experiment are still in place. If anyone is expecting our fortunes to change in time for us to keep our place in the CCC with this continuing then I reckon they must be living in the clouds. The trouble is I find that I really don't seem to care anymore after 45 years watching Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Take your tetracycline just like the nice doctor said. Curious. Why do you think I am suffering from cholera ? I'd rather be taking that than Prozac like you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We didnt play well no. Sheffield United were well organised yes. We didnt deserve to get beat but we did, mainly because a striker ran away last minute and scored a good goal while we were trying to win a game. Tad unlucky in my eyes but if you had asked before the game if we were expecting anything other than a defeat against 5th place you'd be laughed at. Fact is we played alright, nearly came away with a point we wernt expected to get but we were unlucky not too. **** it though, lets blame, Lowe, Wotte, the fact that Euell didnt start despite being ****, Skacel not playing despite wanting away and McGoldrick because he's not Brett Ormerod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Oh god, the witty retorts of what in the industry we like to call '****s'. So you have single handedly made an industry out of being a fool and insulting the very people you are attempting to have a dialogue with? Well done potty mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wish i hadnt gone. Really do. Total garbage after the first 10 mins, sheff u deserved to win. We are going to be in league 1 next season. Get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 What a load of rubbish. I have never played in, watched or ever been associated with a team that accepts it is not good enough. Saints should & could be good enough to stay in this league. I tell you what - I wish I could take over - I think I would do a better job! Sorry,my mistake I must have been supporting the wrong team the last few years.This team is GOOD , just a pity all the other teams in this league ( bar one ) are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Of course you're right. No doubt Donny will be taking their foot off the pedal between now and the end of the season with their incredible 1 point cushion. ty sarky chops of course this post was totally and wholly from a saints perspective frankly i dont give a 4 X about either of the other 2 teams in the bottom 3, but to clarify....all of the bottom 3 are in such a state that the CURRENT maths suggests we are all stranded...both Charlton & watfords only glimmer of hope is that that both have to play Saints so both are guaranteed at least 3 points.. beyond that... all 3 DOOOMED....ya hear me DOOOMED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 If Wotte keeps us up then it would be a fantastic achievement, at least twice as good as Pearson. I just can't see it though. Of course it would be fantastic because Wotte hasn't got a clue! Pearson keeping us up was just a good manager doing a decent job. Wotte keeping us up would be a tottaly SIht manger performing miracles. I'd go for someone good doing the obvious rather than hoping a cheap Dutch failure is going to turn out to be the new miracle-working Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Did not include the experienced Paddy Kenny. Saints started 5 experienced outfield players which is not enough to survive in this league IMO. Well we could have started with 8, by adding Mule, BWP, and Rudi. Wotte is just the same dutch mistake but with a different face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We are up shyte creek without a paddle,and we have been going against the tide since the re-introduction of Lowe/Wilde and the "dutch revolution". I dont think there is any tangible difference between JP and Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Can you elaborate? Was Size roasted for pace for the goal? Wat do you mean you thought Schneiderlin scored? What did James do (or not do!) Yes. The nipper just ran around him, no worries whatsoever. I thought he had scored. Not hard really? Didn't do **** ALL AGAIN!!!!! (Bar the goal) Out of position for the second goal. ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 can someone tell me what Davis was doing on their first goal, why we can't ever shut up shop and why Holloway sounded as if he was our next manager on Sky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 did he feck 4 points from 18...wow and we got a couple of thumpings along the way to just staying up Out of interest are you counting Plymouth as his first game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tac-tics Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 can someone tell me what Davis was doing on their first goal, why we can't ever shut up shop and why Holloway sounded as if he was our next manager on Sky? I was at work, what was he saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We are more disunited now than we ever would have been had we given HODDLE THE MANAGERS JOB IN 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pope Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Well, that's that then ...Utterly speechless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Curious. Why do you think I am suffering from cholera ? I'd rather be taking that than Prozac like you.. Its an antibiotic. You've got a nasty dose of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 We need a massive turn out for the Preston demo and anything else that will be planned. People keep saying don't boycott because it will hurt the club. I DON'T AGREE. WATCHING THIS TEAM LOSE EVERY HOME GAME WILL DO FAR MORE DAMAGE. FANS WILL WALK AWAY AND BE GONE FOREVER. IF EVER THERE WAS A TIME TO BOYCOTT IT IS NOW. WE HAVE TO ACT BEFORE THE CLUB HAS GONE FOREVER I dont think people will boycott, the hardcore diehard 13000 are there now, and I dont think it will lower even when we're in League 2 as a youth development feeder club. Sorry but there is only one thing that we can do for impact now. Branfoot Lowe out of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Wotte played probably the " best" side that he could and made positive attempts to retrieve the game.It,s now come to the point where we just have to accept that the players/team that we have got is just not good enough for this league. Do you really believe that ? Is Gillett a better player than Spiderman or Euell or Skacel ? Is Surman a better left back than Skacel who is now not going anywhere ? Is McGoldrick better than BWP....they are about equal in ability but BWP does score occasionally and can be arsed to run sometimes ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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