St Landrew Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Another do-my-ears-deceive-me moment..! Just think I've heard a Grid-Iron fan in the USA talk about the benefits of a salary cap in the English Premiership, so that many more teams can compete, as they do in American Football. Kind of a strange collision of sports and politics where America is the western land of unrestricted capitalism, and GB is traditionally more cautious and responsible in the workplace. Yet, when it comes to two codes of football [yeah, loose connection] the politics are completely reversed. OK, the Grid-Iron fooballers earn a mint, but they all earn well, and there is a cap. Just a select afforded few earn the sky high wages in GB, and there's this big modern media led tradition that clubs like Arsenal, ManU, Liverpool, and latterly Chelsea, have some god-given right to be first in the queue for success. And they are the ones who can afford the sky-high wages. And touching further on that. Why is it that these clubs have the nod over other clubs. Anyone around 55 years old will know that ManU have little tradition of success before the 1950s, with marginal success after Matt Busby until Ferguson. That's a fairly long time, by today's instant standards. Liverpool were pretty much an alsoran team before the iconic Bill Shankly appeared. And Chelsea have been as iffy as anyone else. Luckily for them they came from the capital. Only Arsenal have any real tradition, having never been relegated from the top division. And only that record is unblemished because they were elected to stay once in the 1910s. Just imagine what could have happened if they had been relegated. Maybe they would be like Orient or Brentford, and there might have been no 1930's success or 1970's double..? Seriously..! Fortunes in football could be as fickle as fans are supposed to be unless they are given undue help by too much money. Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle. And it'll take a heck of a lot of persuasion to put it back in. I think we could learn a lot from American Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 2 February, 2009 Share Posted 2 February, 2009 Doesn't the Bundasliga have an agreement in place for sharing out the money from the pot? Making it more even in theory? A model like that would be better IMO. I am tired of seeing manure winning year in year out. Hopefully when fergie goes they'll crumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 I think we could learn a lot from American Football. yay no relegation and promotionzzzzzzzzzzz only thing that would benefit is the salary cap but wouldnt happen in a million years, probably break some gay EU law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 yay no relegation and promotionzzzzzzzzzzz only thing that would benefit is the salary cap but wouldnt happen in a million years, probably break some gay EU law. Did I mention at any point, anything about no promotion or relegation..? There are some things you take on board, and some things you can leave alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 (edited) Did I mention at any point, anything about no promotion or relegation..? There are some things you take on board, and some things you can leave alone. Well, I feel it is relevant. Would the teams have a say in any salary cap ruling? If they have any kind of sway there is no way they would agree to it, especially when their television and sponsorship income will be at direct risk. Take away the risk of relegation, and thus losing the vast majority of your income stream then a salary cap would be far more 'acceptable.' Who needs to go for broke to attract the best players when the rug will not be pulled from under you. Edited 3 February, 2009 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Decent bit about this on the news last night. They could it 'Sporting Socialism'. Some of their ideas would greatly enhance our league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 jimmy hill would turn in his grave if he were dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 jimmy hill would turn in his grave if he were dead... I don't think he would mind. It's not like modern players would have to get Summer jobs like back in the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 3 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 3 February, 2009 jimmy hill would turn in his grave if he were dead... Yeah, it's all his fault. It it were not for him, footballers would still be on £20 per week..! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 3 February, 2009 Share Posted 3 February, 2009 Another do-my-ears-deceive-me moment..! Just think I've heard a Grid-Iron fan in the USA talk about the benefits of a salary cap in the English Premiership, so that many more teams can compete, as they do in American Football. Kind of a strange collision of sports and politics where America is the western land of unrestricted capitalism, and GB is traditionally more cautious and responsible in the workplace. Yet, when it comes to two codes of football [yeah, loose connection] the politics are completely reversed. OK, the Grid-Iron fooballers earn a mint, but they all earn well, and there is a cap. Just a select afforded few earn the sky high wages in GB, and there's this big modern media led tradition that clubs like Arsenal, ManU, Liverpool, and latterly Chelsea, have some god-given right to be first in the queue for success. And they are the ones who can afford the sky-high wages. And touching further on that. Why is it that these clubs have the nod over other clubs. Anyone around 55 years old will know that ManU have little tradition of success before the 1950s, with marginal success after Matt Busby until Ferguson. That's a fairly long time, by today's instant standards. Liverpool were pretty much an alsoran team before the iconic Bill Shankly appeared. And Chelsea have been as iffy as anyone else. Luckily for them they came from the capital. Only Arsenal have any real tradition, having never been relegated from the top division. And only that record is unblemished because they were elected to stay once in the 1910s. Just imagine what could have happened if they had been relegated. Maybe they would be like Orient or Brentford, and there might have been no 1930's success or 1970's double..? Seriously..! Fortunes in football could be as fickle as fans are supposed to be unless they are given undue help by too much money. Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle. And it'll take a heck of a lot of persuasion to put it back in. I think we could learn a lot from American Football. I saw this last night. It wasn't 'just' a fan, but one of the owners of a franchise (New England, I think). While I think it's a great way to ensure that a competition remains just that (except the lack of relegation/promotion) the chances of football adopting such policies must be a hair's breadth above zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H. Cope Posted 4 February, 2009 Share Posted 4 February, 2009 Decent bit about this on the news last night. They could it 'Sporting Socialism'. Some of their ideas would greatly enhance our league. See I told you.Now all you need is a team to follow.Yeehah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 5 February, 2009 Share Posted 5 February, 2009 Didn't old David Mellor look into this during the late eighties/early nineties? I have to have a look and see if I can find the reference,( I wasn't a great Footy Fan then and used it in a debate on why Rugby was more of a team sport than football whilst at Uni. I was just jelous and disallusioned as I wanted to, and might have been able to, play rugby professionally when I was a lad if it was as it is now.) If I find it i'll see if I can post it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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